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McLean’s Oct cover McLean's Magazine (Canada) October 1 issue:

The discussion in Washington and New York has always drowned out the reality of Iraq. One of the terrifying aspects of the war is the monumental failure of analysis and action on the part of America’s political, military, journalistic and even business elites. That problem may be systemic—the result of a “fact-based” America confronting a society it did not understand and simply making up an alternate reality, guns ablaze. So far, the Republicans have done an impressive job at failing in Iraq. Soon it may be the Democrats’ turn to fail, albeit in a different way. It’s a shame because Iraqi political parties are perfectly capable of doing that on their own. Indeed, they seem to be going out of their way to compete with the Americans on that score. Read more...

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bob's picture

Holy crap. Frist!

bob's picture

Damn!

Geraldo's picture

Quick, rename a food item!

I suggest "Freedom Bacon".

peter's picture

HERE IS EXACTLY HOW IT HAPPENED

http://youtube.com/watch?v=T5dQmS16QGg

peter's picture

Geraldo @ 4:

Quick, rename a food item!

I suggest "Freedom Bacon".

i'm sticking with "Fascist Fries"

Indigowatcher's picture

Ooh, scathing...

It's about damn time!

Good job MacLean's!

(Btw, are they an American or British publication or what?)

jr's picture

Kudos to McLean’s

Pissed-American's picture

peter @ 6:

Geraldo @ 4:

Quick, rename a food item!

I suggest "Freedom Bacon".

i'm sticking with "Fascist Fries"

Boy ... Fascist fies ...!!! That would go over BIG here in South Carolina, land of the Fat-assed, right-wing, christo-facsist.

Me, I'm a proud Atheist ... and no that's not a religion ...

RtBWA's picture

You realize that Mark Steyn is a columnist at that magazine - can't wait for his head to explode!

razant's picture

Easy boys and girls. It's like this........if America can invade countries with impunity, surely to fuck, a newspaper article can be written from outside the USA.
Or is it true....
"the pen is mightier than the sword?"

Pete's picture

Saddam had only killed a fraction of the number of Iraqis compared to El Chimpenfuhrer's death count.

Stephen Colbear's picture

Bears in the Threatdown again on Thursday's Colbert Report. What. A. Surprise. (Not!)

Not only that, but Stephen ColBERT disparaged the professionalism of a good friend of mine.

I smell a law suit. Or is that salmon…?

Patthemokey's picture

Does Congress have to say they didn't like this too?

Len's picture

The Canadians are wrong. Bush is WORSE than Saddam who never had WMD and probably never lied about fighting a war for oil. Bush Sr, however, attacked Saddam not because he invaded Kuwait but because Saddam dared to control his own oil spigot. US Ambassador April Glaspie lured Saddam into attacking Kurwait by telling him that the US had "no position on your Arab/Arab disputes". The rest is history. The Bush crime family has many war crimes to answer for. Under US Codes, a war of naked aggression (like Iraq) which results in death is punishable by death. That's the law. Why is Bush above when not even English monarchs who claimed a "divine right" were "above the law". Wake up, folks! This is no longer funny.

bob's picture

Geraldo @ 4:
Quick, rename a food item!

I suggest “Freedom Bacon”.

Patriot Poutine

...or how 'bout Bellicose Back Bacon?...

Dominic P. Lucarelli's picture

OK, so where's the fake right-wing outrage against McLean's magazine? Are we attacking Toronto yet?

Curtilingus's picture

Woohoo!

Move on just took out an ad in the NY times calling congress "ass-kissing little chickenshits"

Some one at that organization has balls!

hareli's picture

Best cover I've seen in along time. And it's a national magazine. Will loiter in dentists' offices for a year. Ha!

Curtilingus's picture

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/9/21/115032/846

Here the link. Excellent ad. I think some of the conservative media whores wont be able to sleep tonight.

hareli's picture

Curtilingus @ 17:

Woohoo!

Move on just took out an ad in the NY times calling congress "ass-kissing little chickenshits"

Some one at that organization has balls!

Did Move-On say that General Fallon called Petraeus that?

Gary's picture

Oh crap.. something else for the senate to spend their time debating over.

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Patthemokey @ 13:

Does Congress have to say they didn't like this too?

Just like their resolution regarding MoveOn, a statement regarding this printed text, also known as free speech, would be grinding hard against the very thin veil between what the Congress is allowed to do, and what they are NOT supposed to do. That is make any law abridging freedom of speech or the right to redress of grievances. Had they made a binding LAW about the MoveOn ad they would have immediately ripped right through the Constitution. As it is they basically wiped their asses with it.

None of the jobs Congress does include making meaningless resolutions regarding their approval or disapproval of free speech.

It would be nice if a future Senate, one with more progressive and Constitutionally-aware Dems, could pass a resolution RENOUNCING this one as None Of The Senate's Business.

hareli's picture

Curtilingus @ 19:

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/9/21/115032/846

Here the link. Excellent ad. I think some of the conservative media whores wont be able to sleep tonight.

I just pulled the image of the ad off to my desktop and it's name fakemoveonud4.jpg.

If this a joke?

bob's picture

yep. joke.

kim's picture

READ the article people before you make asinine comments. STOP judging a book (or an AD) by its cover.

The point of the article, and this is important, is that Bush has now joined with the Sunnis. Saddam was a Sunni. Bush has come full circle and switched sides. At the start of the "war" he was pro-Shia, but Iranians are Shia. Bush doesn't like Iran. Not at all.

jane's picture

It truly is amazing how ignorant Americans are about the Middle East -- and the US Constitution. They come on here and bitch and moan about newspaper ads and magazine covers instead of really looking into the real story.

Pathetic.

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hareli @ 23:

Curtilingus @ 19:

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/9/21/115032/846

Here the link. Excellent ad. I think some of the conservative media whores wont be able to sleep tonight.

I just pulled the image of the ad off to my desktop and it's name fakemoveonud4.jpg.

If this a joke?

Don't think its a joke. it is scheduled to run in the Sunday edition, source is daily kos. the wording is very clever, it does mention the guy from CENTCOM that called petreaus an ass-kissing little chickenshit and that is how they extended the phrase to congress.

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Oops. Actually it did say satire under "tags".

Oh well.

Canuck Looking South's picture

Most Canadians seem to agree with the sentiments expressed on this site regarding the war in Iraq and the Bush administration. The site administrator should consider posting some vids from Canadian comedy shows, like the Royal Canadian Air Farce. They have done many skits portraying the administration in the manner fitting them.

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kim @ 25:

READ the article people before you make asinine comments. STOP judging a book (or an AD) by its cover.

The point of the article, and this is important, is that Bush has now joined with the Sunnis. Saddam was a Sunni. Bush has come full circle and switched sides. At the start of the "war" he was pro-Shia, but Iranians are Shia. Bush doesn't like Iran. Not at all.

Exactly.

The whole Al-Qaeda in Iraq thing is a smoke screen. AQI are just a bunch of poor, pissed-off Salafist Sunni rejects who kill anybody. Nobody likes them, and they're really just a local threat. They have nothing to do with Bin Laden's Al-Qaeda.

Bush really just wants to go after Iran and the Sunnis are just the "enemy of my enemy is my friend" until the Shias start getting killed off and the Sunnis get some of their power back.

Bush created the whole mess by not knowing his ass from his elbow before he started his whole "shock and awe" nonsense.

Oil riches blinded Bush, and now everyone suffers as a result.

Nick's picture

OK, so where’s the fake right-wing outrage against McLean’s magazine?

Bill O and his ilk will freak out over the cover. Pity, because the article is very informative. Not that they care.

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Patthemokey @ 13:

Does Congress have to say they didn't like this too?

Nice quote.

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jr @ 7:

Kudos to McLean’s

Absolutely perfect! Hooray Canada!!

iraqconcilable's picture

Wow . Canadian dollar reaches par with the U.S. and Maclean's drops this cover all on the same day ! Troops are amassing at Detroit/Windsor as we speak !

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Just so you know... What kind of makes this article a bit out of character for Maclean's is that for the past couple of years they have gone from being a venerable mainstream "Time" or "Newsweek" clone to an inflammatory right-wing rag under the editorship of Ken Whyte, best known for shepherding the "National Post," Conrad Black's attempt to create the FoxNews of the North, through it's first few years as a national daily paper. Other cover pages is recent months have included hit-pieces on centrist and left-leaning Canadian politicians and right-wing polemics such as those proclaiming "Why Wal-Mart is Good" and "Why Canadians are wimps" (Answer: because we don't have enough guns.) It certainly sells copies, mainly because you have to read the article to find out what crazy tangent they're spinning it off in this week. BBut the only people that read Maclean's regularly are still people over 80 and people waiting in Doctor's offices.

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I think I will buy the New York Times on Sunday. That will be a collectors item.

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Captain Canuck @ # 36

" because we don't have enough guns." ie. Canadians.
I thought Canada had one of the highest guns to population ratio in the world. US is number one followed by either France or Canada.

tyree's picture

how about that president of mexico saying bush is about as inelligent as an eleven year old!

tyree's picture

intelligent

nirak's picture

LOL Proud to be a Canadian!!!!

XuYu's picture

OMFG! Where's they get THAT PICTURE?! That's amazing -- he looks just like Soddam!!!!!!!

Edwin's picture

Check this out. Newsweek International and Newsweek USA covers, same edition:

http://www.thewe.cc/thewei/&_/images6/afghanistan/newsweek_cover_same_we...

"Losing Afghanistan" vs. "My Life in Pictures". You ain't getting the news.

PS McLean's is Canada's "Time" (or "Newsweek") magazine.

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Proud to have been born in Canada!!! Macleans has always been a good read, and pulls no punches, even with Canadian politics.

I would imagine that the number of innocent Iraqis bush has had a hand in killing is fast approaching the number who died under Sadaam - if indeed, Sadaam's number has not been exceeded. For certain, bush wins the trophy for the number of people displaced by the war, either by ethnic cleansing and/or fear followed by flight.

Gotta love the cheney/bush administration. Impeach the bastards, before it is too late.

Fred Farkle's picture

Troops amassing on the border? What troops? American? Ain't enough of them in country to
amass anywhere larger than a Burger King in Niagra Falls...

Saundo's picture

Kudos to Maclean's... don't necessarily agree with everything they print, but that's the point of reporting from all sides, be it a cover story like this, or long-winded, wannabe-con diatribes from Steyn...

That said - fix the link... it's "Maclean's" - M-A-C...

Scy's picture

We've killed more Iradi's than Saddam. Bet they're glad we showed up. Pity the US is so corrupt and morally bankrupt that we'll never see BushCo in prison as they deserve.

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Patthemokey @ 14:

Does Congress have to say they didn't like this too?

Shouldn't they be thrown out of the country?

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kim @ 26:

READ the article people before you make asinine comments. STOP judging a book (or an AD) by its cover.

The point of the article, and this is important, is that Bush has now joined with the Sunnis. Saddam was a Sunni. Bush has come full circle and switched sides. At the start of the "war" he was pro-Shia, but Iranians are Shia. Bush doesn't like Iran. Not at all.

Yes, please look past the image and read the article. Kim is right, but there is also much more to the article. The author, Patrick Graham, has spent much time in Iraq, and not in John McCain fashion. He's been to Falluja and Ramadi, sat down with insurgents, and was briefly kidnapped by al-Qaeda in Iraq. It touches on a wide swath of issues, including Iraqi nationalism, lessons from the Bosnian conflict, why insurgents are as likely to attack al-Qaeda in Iraq as they are to attack Americans, Iranian motivations, and more.

It's great journalism: informed and passionate.

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Captain Canuck @ 36:

Just so you know... What kind of makes this article a bit out of character for Maclean's is that for the past couple of years they have gone from being a venerable mainstream "Time" or "Newsweek" clone to an inflammatory right-wing rag . . .

You're wrong about Maclean's. The magazine's editorial content changed a couple of years ago because it was boring. MacLean's was about as interesting as an air-brake manual. Circulation and ad revenues were both falling, in spite of the booming Canadian economy. Several mass-market magazines have failed in Canada in recent years (eg, Saturday Night, Toro) because the domestic market is small, so many American mags are sold here, and the Liberal government ended the tax break for Canadian publications. MacLean's had to be fixed, or go under.

Now the covers and stories are much more provocative than they used to be. I never used to look at it, but now I pick it up and leaf through it, and occasionally buy it.

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Very surprised that Macleans would do a piece (and a cover) that will probably be quite controversial. Bravo!! (Yes, I had always relegated them to a read in the doctor/dentist waiting room too.)
The author of the article is extremely knowledgeable about & experienced with life in Iraq. This is a well researched & informative article...one that I wish (but know better) that most (why are you guys so 'party for life' minded??) Republicans would read.

What on earth was that post about Canadians having more guns to population ratio crap about?? Geesh...check out the stats for gun violence in your country (i.e. the U.S.) and the extremely obsessive need of the NRA to maintain the 'happiness is a warm gun' mentality.

Bush has always been Saddam. He was just jealous. That is why he invaded.

Ramone's picture

Here's Rick Mercer "Talking to Americans"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhTZ_tgMUdo&mode=related&search=

GO presidential candidate Mike Huckabee GO!

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Arctic Dude's picture

Condor is wrong. We do contribute to the world. More than enough to have a say. Freedom of speech is universal.
But we can also speak our Canadian mind about other countries who are getting out of hand and who have undue influence within our borders. We can also be critics if that country is a a neighbour that we love. Don't worry we have not given up on the US.

Northern Observer's picture

Hey Condor,
What poutine doesn't count?
Actually I think we met our lifetime achievement quota with insulin.

I was curious about the gun ownership thing and went to the wikki.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lists_of_countries_by_gun_ownership

Seems it is highish at 31 guns per 100 people, but still 1/3rd of the freakishly high American rate of 90 per 100 people.
Makes sense if you know rural Canada, ya kinda need a gun cause the bears don't respond well to negotiation.

Ruthless People's picture

Saddam was smarter than Bush. That's about the only difference between the two, they were/are both ruthless killers.

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....oh one more difference between Bush and Saddam. Saddam has paid for his crimes and killings.

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Arctic Dude @ 56:

Condor is wrong. We do contribute to the world. More than enough to have a say. Freedom of speech is universal.
But we can also speak our Canadian mind about other countries who are getting out of hand and who have undue influence within our borders. We can also be critics if that country is a a neighbour that we love. Don't worry we have not given up on the US.

Agreed. I'm an American who lives in NYC. Canada has contributed to world peace. Which is more than can be said for America under the Bush Regime.

Condor's picture

I will not be conversing with you "Ruthless People."

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BaScOmBe's picture

baghdad bacon

I love the ad at Kos.

JT's picture

Macleans tagged GWB as the 'worst President ever' a few months ago...so, this really isn't much of a stretch for them.

Thankfully, most Canadians live beyond the scope of the 'center of the universe' (Toronto). While I like TO as a city, they tend to be a bit self-absorbed... That being said, most Canadians (Torontonians excluded) know a bit more about the US than Condor likes to think... :)

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Robert's picture

Bush lacked any qualification to aspire to the office of Governor of Texas. Let alone President of the US. His trusting ignorance led his staff to recommend Dick Cheney as the person to choose a running mate. Naturally Dick Cheney chose himself and the rest is history.

Geo W Bush is completely intimidated by Dick Cheney. And Dick Cheney's policies have made Mr Cheney the real ruler during this eight year term.

Geo W Bush is Dick Cheney's sock puppet mouthpiece. Cheney is the real power.

JT's picture

Kudos, Condor...

At least you had an opinion, and spoke up... Too many people don't express how they feel. While not everyone here may agree with you, at least you took the time to say something, so...have a cold one, and g'night....

:)

Lisa's picture

As a Canadian, I am with Condor. Although I might add that we have a Conservative government in power, and a Prime Minister that adores Bush. God help us Canadians if our current Prime Minister ever gets a majority government or we will surely follow down the path of your country.

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Lisa
We could survive a Harper majority if the Democrates are in charge down there but I hope we don't have that scary majority. It's up to these fine C&L'ers and others to get the Dems in. Once you folks pic a Dem work your asses off.

trutheau's picture

As a Canadian also, I can tell you even those who are conservative in Canada do not support the U.S. war in Iraq. Hell, even Stephen Harper, the ass that he is, would never follow Bush there.
I do think now that our curriencies are at parity, Canada does feel a bit more ballsy. I haven't seen that MacLean's yet on our shelves, but I'll say this, it was the favorite news magazine of my grandpa who said, as I left to Japan where I lived for six years, "Why would you want to live with a bunch of Japs?"
Hey, I'll definitely buy it when I see it and I may even give it a second chance.

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Canada is full of people like condor, hell we elected a pro-bush prime minister.

As for contributions to the world, I won't even bother to educate you on what our predecessors and contemporaries achieved, and are achieving. I just got back from Khandahar, 'nuff said.

As an educated canadian (Ph.D candidate now), and soldier, I have worked and lived with canadians, americans and many others. If there is a country that knows about the U.S. (at least from WWII forward), it's Canada. I'd put the average canadian up against the average world citizen any day of the week.

Condor, I wish you luck with your inferiority complex, but for god's sake, speak for yourself. I don't ever want to lumped in with you, not even in a comments section.

-Matt

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Harper Quotes
http://www.tranquileye.com/stockwell/harper.php
"Mr. Speaker, the issue of war requires moral leadership. We believe the government should stand by our troops, our friends and our allies and do everything necessary to support them right through to victory."
- Stephen Harper, supporting the American invasion of Iraq, House of Commons, April 1, 2003.

Chretien Quote
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Jean_Chr%C3%A9tien

"I don't know. A proof is a proof. What kind of a proof? It's a proof. A proof is a proof, and when you have a good proof, it's because it's proven."

When discussing what type of proof Canadians wanted from the US before assisting in a war with Iraq. This is considered one of Chretien's most memorable quotes.

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Canuck Looking South @ 30:

Most Canadians seem to agree with the sentiments expressed on this site regarding the war in Iraq and the Bush administration. The site administrator should consider posting some vids from Canadian comedy shows, like the Royal Canadian Air Farce. They have done many skits portraying the administration in the manner fitting them.

Oh, yeah. Most of us hate BushCo. and aren't afraid to say so. There's a video of one of our M.P.'s (Members of Parliament) crushing a Bush-action-figure underfoot.

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Condor, cheer up. No one likes a grinch. Canada's contribution to the world is decency, not bombs.

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Condor @ 55:

I live in Toronto and I just wanted to say that maybe Canada should wait until they actually contribute something to the world before they start criticizing other countries that do.

Pull your head out of your ass, pal.

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Condor said:
Canada should wait until they actually contribute something to the world before they start criticizing other countries that do.

Condor:

What country rescued 6 American hostages in the Iran hostage crisis of 1979?
What country welcomed slaves who were fleeing the U.S.?
What country welcomed those who refused to fight in Vietnam?
Other than the USA and the Brits, what country has lost more troops to the so-called war on terror (remember Afghanistan)?

And just so you know a little more about our history, Canada, or Canadians are responsible for discovering/inventing the electric wheelchair, the electron microscope, identifying the cystic fibrosis gene, the pacemaker, insulin, the snowmobile, kerosene, mobile blood-transfusion service, Superman, Winnie the Pooh, standard time, the telegraph, Trivial Pursuit, velcro, and most notably the retractable beer case handle, among many others.

I'm surprised you find nothing mentioned above to be a contribution to the world. Unless of course you don't know what the *&#% you are talking about. Which is it I wonder?

And just to be clear, I'm not saying anything like "Canada is the best country in the world". We Canadians CONSTANTLY criticize our own country and leaders. But we know we have and do contribute to the world.

And oh ya, a Canadian Doctor invented basketball too ;) Try not to shit your pants.

Condor's picture

I'll get back to you, johnnyRocketpants, after I put together a comparable list about South Dakota.

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Condor @ 81:

I'll get back to you, johnnyRocketpants, after I put together a comparable list about South Dakota.

Whoa whoa, YOU said...

Canada should wait until they actually contribute something to the world before they start criticizing other countries that do.

Did you not? Again I ask, you don't find insulin helpful to the world? The electron microscope? Kerosene never helped anyone out?

Try not to change your goalposts in the middle of an aurgument. Which reminds me, we also created the first ever football goalpost with single base.

Instead of digging deeper, why don't you just admit Canadians have contributed many things to the world.

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There's no point in debating with you if you think Canada occupying lots of space was the reason we accepted slaves and draft dodgers, or that our soldiers are dying in Afghanistan means nothing because half of us don't agree with why they're there.

The fact is, you said, Canada should wait until they actually contribute something to the world. We have contributed lots, that's inarguable. You are wrong in saying otherwise, and just can't admit it. Insulin helps the world, you hose-head hoser.

Lyon's picture

Ah.. an american living in Canada decrying it. Proving once again that Americans just can't get enough of shitting on my country. Feel free to go home anytime, Condor. Seriously. Have fun with that whole "police state" thing, I'm sure it's fantastic.

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Condor @ 79:

Annoyed Canuck,
I would be annoyed too if I were a Canuck. As for your "argument," thanks. It demonstrates to everyone the level at which your mental powers function so that I don't have to.

I wasn't making an "argument". I was insulting you.

I eat seal blubber and fart in your general direction.

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iraqconcilable @ 35:

Wow . Canadian dollar reaches par with the U.S. and Maclean's drops this cover all on the same day ! Troops are amassing at Detroit/Windsor as we speak !

I would believe this, but this weekend, the only troop amassing in Windsor will be to get drunk on the weekends.

trutheau's picture

As a Canadian also, I can tell you even those who are conservative in Canada do not support the U.S. war in Iraq. Hell, even Stephen Harper, the ass that he is, would never follow Bush there.
I do think now that our curriencies are at parity, Canada does feel a bit more ballsy. I haven't seen that MacLean's yet on our shelves, but I'll say this, it was the favorite news magazine of my grandpa who said, as I left to Japan where I lived for six years, "Why would you want to live with a bunch of Japs?"
Hey, I'll definitely buy it when I see it and I may even give it a second chance.

trutheau's picture

Canada is so much different than the U.S. Just visit Vancouver or Montreal. Sadly, Toronto may as well be American.
Please come visit. Because I know Americans prefer to go south.

Mr Grey's picture

Now congress will have a new picture to distract them from the American holocaust. Because that is so much easier than facing the truth.

Echo's picture

Macleans magazine is owned by Hollinger( the Conrad Black crowd ) .

They have been reverent towards the Neocon regime.

A while back Mark Steyn's article defending Ann Coulter was published with no disclaimer to the effect that Mark Steyn is a right wing zealot.

This was all that was required for judging the slant of this piss-poor publication.

Fast forward, Black goes down in Chicago ( left high and dry by those he surely thought would cover his ass ) and then presto ! we get an attack on the regime on the cover of Macleans. ( thanks to remnants still loyal to Black ? )

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XuYu @ 42:

OMFG! Where's they get THAT PICTURE?! That's amazing -- he looks just like Soddam!!!!!!!

Actually, I thought it was Dickie Smothers! But then I realized it couldn't be....Dickies a smart fellow.

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Annoyed Canuck @ 86:

Condor @ 79:

Annoyed Canuck,
I would be annoyed too if I were a Canuck. As for your "argument," thanks. It demonstrates to everyone the level at which your mental powers function so that I don't have to.

I wasn't making an "argument". I was insulting you.

I eat seal blubber and fart in your general direction.

Right ON Numbnuts! Gezzus b'ye, I'ze didn't tink yous 'ad computers in Appalacia! Now get off your sister and go find a real job!

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johnnyRocketpants @ 84:

There's no point in debating with you if you think Canada occupying lots of space was the reason we accepted slaves and draft dodgers, or that our soldiers are dying in Afghanistan means nothing because half of us don't agree with why they're there.

The fact is, you said, Canada should wait until they actually contribute something to the world. We have contributed lots, that's inarguable. You are wrong in saying otherwise, and just can't admit it. Insulin helps the world, you hose-head hoser.

INSULIN? How about Signal Hill, Newfoundland? You can go right to the spot where Marconi sent the first telegraph messages. How about the Telephone?
How about Shania Twain? Ok, she doesn't show her birdie like the USA tramps do to get in the newspapers. And the west wonders why Muslim girls don't envy Western girls. Look at the role models.

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Best magazine cover I've seen in a long time. I can't wait to see the right-wingnuts get all huffy with Lefty Canada, what with socialized medicine and all. Ooooh! Where's Joe McCarthy when you need him?

I have half a mind to send the posting link to Billo and Olbermann just to watch the fun!

Watching from the sidelines,

Doug
A Canadian in Africa

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Ruthless People @ 58:

Saddam was smarter than Bush. That's about the only difference between the two, they were/are both ruthless killers.

Nooooooooooooooooo, the biggest & most important difference between the two (sad to say) is, one prick is still alive!

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razant @ 94:

johnnyRocketpants @ 84:

There's no point in debating with you if you think Canada occupying lots of space was the reason we accepted slaves and draft dodgers, or that our soldiers are dying in Afghanistan means nothing because half of us don't agree with why they're there.

The fact is, you said, Canada should wait until they actually contribute something to the world. We have contributed lots, that's inarguable. You are wrong in saying otherwise, and just can't admit it. Insulin helps the world, you hose-head hoser.

INSULIN? How about Signal Hill, Newfoundland? You can go right to the spot where Marconi sent the first telegraph messages. How about the Telephone?
How about Shania Twain? Ok, she doesn't show her birdie like the USA tramps do to get in the newspapers. And the west wonders why Muslim girls don't envy Western girls. Look at the role models.

Or the light bulb, patent sold to you know who...

razant's picture

Fred Farkle @ 45:

Troops amassing on the border? What troops? American? Ain't enough of them in country to
amass anywhere larger than a Burger King in Niagra Falls...

And, what do we need our troops for?

razant's picture

Can someone please answer this........

Why is it that, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, the leader of terrorism, radical Islam, hater of Jew Nation, New King Of WMD (Nuclear Missiles) can visit Manhattan (with advanced notice) with the slimest of personal bodyguards, yet Georgie Bush (the good Christian Soldier), freer of terrorism and DECIDER of all that's GOOD against EVIL, requires a squadron of helicopters, 500 sharpshooters and a months pre-visit to the location (in friendly CANADA-his neighbour).
I mean, who has the biggest fear someone will take him out? Why?
Who really is the bad guy?

razant's picture

I remember that anorewic scant ...Ann Coulter telling BILLO, we (USA-she is Miss America...on the tranny side) should just go take over that country.
Wait until someone reads this to her and explains all the big words.

Politicor's picture

Seems like Bushie is sinking down to a dictator's level, where he's supposed to be the president, but does as he pleases like a dictator in not listening to the American public, but his imaginary friend Santa McJesus.

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Ruthless People @ 58:

Saddam was smarter than Bush. That's about the only difference between the two, they were/are both ruthless killers.

Saddam was "ruthless" and definitely smarter. bush is spineless. Don't let the uniform on the aircraft carrier fool ya.

anyhow's picture

Amazing article, powerful read. I don't know why this has been turned into a Canadian and American type affair its just a magainze.:p

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anyhow @ 103:

Amazing article, powerful read. I don't know why this has been turned into a Canadian and American type affair its just a magainze.:p

It has apparently hit a raw nerve with Bush supporters and we all know when they cannot mount a valid argument they will resort to name calling and cussing.

pissed canuck's picture

Our stand on the illegal war in Iraq.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aX6XMIldkRU

Chretien, as eloquently as possible,
put it in words the retarded American president could understand.

pjramphal's picture

Good job MacLean’s!

(Btw, are they an American or British publication or what?)

Canadian baby; the true north strong and free.

Terrible's picture

Yeah, I suppose the Senate doesn't have anything more important to do so they'll pass some bill condemning this.

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Lynda G. @ 52:

Very surprised that Macleans would do a piece (and a cover) that will probably be quite controversial. Bravo!! (Yes, I had always relegated them to a read in the doctor/dentist waiting room too.)
The author of the article is extremely knowledgeable about & experienced with life in Iraq. This is a well researched & informative article...one that I wish (but know better) that most (why are you guys so 'party for life' minded??) Republicans would read.

What on earth was that post about Canadians having more guns to population ratio crap about?? Geesh...check out the stats for gun violence in your country (i.e. the U.S.) and the extremely obsessive need of the NRA to maintain the 'happiness is a warm gun' mentality.

Actually, as a gun per capita thingy Canada is number one. With such a small pop. and historically a "gun" country we have more guns per person than the States. We also have laws which are effective and result in about 100-200 non-suicide gun-related deaths nationwide which bring our country in line with countries like Japan which have no "gun" culture. Amazing what happens with a few good laws.

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Northern Observer @ 57:

Hey Condor,
What poutine doesn't count?
Actually I think we met our lifetime achievement quota with insulin.

I was curious about the gun ownership thing and went to the wikki.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lists_of_countries_by_gun_ownership

Seems it is highish at 31 guns per 100 people, but still 1/3rd of the freakishly high American rate of 90 per 100 people.
Makes sense if you know rural Canada, ya kinda need a gun cause the bears don't respond well to negotiation.

That number is related to "reported" gun ownership. True numbers of unreported ownership put Canada just above the U.S. guns per capita. That said, we have laws that work and result in 100-200 non-suicide guns deaths per year nationwide.

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Wow, I just google news'ed this article and read some of what the right wing bloggers have to say. Do they ever friggn hate Canada. Like mean and ignorant. They want to invade and kill people here and force outside rule on us. First of all are they not suppose to be like Christians and have "thou shall not kill" rules. Don't they have to follow all the peacefull stuff Jesus talked about. Scary stuff. And all this stuff about how they defend us and we are so wimpy.
I humb my ass off with a 50lb pack of gear and rocks prospecting in some of the most rugged places of North America looking for mineral resources. We have tough as nails loggers and miners working in extreme conditions so our stuff can go down to build USA houses etc. I would so like those right wingers to come up here and spend one day up the mountain with this Canuck. Damn dumb lazy rude undemocratic killers. Errrr
k thanks C&L to let me blow off steam. I still love you Yanks except for those 30% dingbats. Go fight em

simech's picture

A clear, comprehensive and succinct look into Iraq today. Bravo Macleans.

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'Fraid I have to question C & L's charcterization of Mcleans as a "mild mannered" and mainstream" mag.

I'm afraid since Ken Whyte took over as editor 2.5 years ago, the mag has shifted decidedly to the right.
Mr Whyte used to be editor of The National Post under now convicted felon, proprietor Conrad Black. The Post was and is the most right wing newspaper in the country.
Whyte brought much of his N.P. agenda to his new gig at Mcleans.

The most glaring example I recall of Mcleans flaunting a right wing agenda, came during the last federal election. Mcleans published an issue with a not subtle 3 pronged attack on New Democratic Party (NDP) candidate Svend Robinson, and by extension on the NDP party itself. The NDP is the left of center party in Canada, a country with currently 3 viable national parties, the other two being the Conservatives and the Liberal Party (plus a 4th viable party, the Bloc Quebecois,but which is limited to Quebec seats only).

Anyway, in the middle of the election campaign, Mcleans devoted the cover photo and
headline, lead editorial, and lead article to a concerted attack on Svend Robinson/NDP! I found it appalling and irresponsible for "Canada's national magazine" demonstrate such an obvious and active political agenda during an election.
And I didn't even vote NDP (I voted Green).

For Mcleans to publish an in depth criticism of America's war in Iraq now, this late in the game in fall 2007, isn't exactly prescient or courageous or responsible journalism. They're just jumping belatedly on the band wagon of negative public opinion.
Where were they with the exposes 1, 2,3,4, or 5 years ago?

F#%@ Mcleans. May it and The N.P. both bleed red ink to the point of bankruptcy.

Train's picture

BAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

That just became my new desktop picture!

:D

TorranaTony's picture

If more people would take the time to actually read the article instead of freaking out about the pretty photoshopped cover, this comment section would be a lot more insightful! SEVERAL interesting points in the article (and I didn't find it leaning one way or the other, except perhaps to give insight into the IRAQI perspective). One very important point is to consider that the reporting is done ON THE GROUND, independently and NON-EMBEDDED, the real hysteria might be coming from the "news" outlets that continue to live with the SHAME of forgoing real reporting for propaganda/news-reading. Katie Couric should tag along and then file a few reports...
{{oh and Bobb999, give us a friggin break, "in the middle of an election campaign"? When isn't it the middle of an election campaign? Please, do tell when the campaigning stops? And since when is 13 months pre-election the middle of a campaign..."where were they 1,2,3,4,5 years ago? (and there weren't campaigns going all those years)? --on the ground risking life and limb to find out the real story I guess...}}

pissed canuck's picture

Bobb999.
Although the theft of a $50,000.00 ring pales in comparison to Bushes theft of the American constitution, it certainly is noteworthy.
Svend Robinson was exposed for the thief that he is and his character should be examined when running for political office.
If he was applying for a job at Walmart, he would be under more scrutiny.

Kudos to Macleans.

I do sympathize though with our struggling Green Party.

Matt's picture

joe somebody @ 109:

Northern Observer @ 57:

Hey Condor,
What poutine doesn't count?
Actually I think we met our lifetime achievement quota with insulin.

I was curious about the gun ownership thing and went to the wikki.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lists_of_countries_by_gun_ownership

Seems it is highish at 31 guns per 100 people, but still 1/3rd of the freakishly high American rate of 90 per 100 people.
Makes sense if you know rural Canada, ya kinda need a gun cause the bears don't respond well to negotiation.

That number is related to "reported" gun ownership. True numbers of unreported ownership put Canada just above the U.S. guns per capita. That said, we have laws that work and result in 100-200 non-suicide guns deaths per year nationwide.

Yeah, well we don't own handguns. Also, most murder weapons in Southern Ontario are from U.S. origins.

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