November 19, 2007 11:30 PM
Open Thread
One of my favorite (as yet unanswered) questions from the whole YouTube debate thing.
Open Thread below. And if you have nothing else to type, feel free to let us know what you're grateful for. (This gig, John and Nicole. This gig. Thanks.)




Grateful for Dennis Kucinich
What happened to the "Pearls or Diamonds" question?
Cannabis.
Not sure why anyone would answer this question truthfully. It has been the goal of just about every president after Wasthington, to become more powerful than the last. They all, until this one, followed a certain decorum about their power grabs. So why would any future president willingly give up the unlimited, untested, unapproved powers that darth cheney has stolen from the other two branches?
On the other hands... If you think about it for about 10 seconds, you'll realize the position of President isn't any more powerful today than it was 8 years ago. It just seems that way because this "president" has never been pushed or challenged by the other two branches. For a system of checks and balances to work, all the pieces of that self regulating system have to willingly participate. It's not like anything that chimpy has done is legal. All the laws he broke can still land his ass in prison for a very long time, or even in a Texas neck tie in Den Hague. A law only has force as long as the legal system is willing to ENFORCE it.
"3 Buckley Says:
Cannabis."
Deep.
I'm grateful for the internet. Just imagine the MSM being the only info tube we would get. And believe or not(to some of you younguns) that was the way it used to be.
I am also grateful that I was a child of the 60's and 70's. I grew up being wary of the Government.
And pssst. did u hear? Billy Jack is running for President.
And if one has not heard of Billy Jack watch this/a>. One of my favorite songs.
Peace.
4 JustSickOfIt
And if it does not enforce it it no longer works. If it no longer works it must be discarded.
Oopsie. the "Peace" link was supposed to be this.
xoites defends Constitution @ 7:
btw - Your "cynical" comment busted me up. :)
I'm grateful there's going to be a new Billy Jack film! That's way cool! Thanks for the info Human! I don't need the link to the song, I know it very well.
PEACE!
"9 Human Says:
btw - Your “cynical” comment busted me up."
Thank you, but it is not original. I think Joni Mitchell said it first but i am not sure.
The Dow went up Today on the basis of the following headline news.
Freddie mac Posts Record $2.02 Billion Loss, Seeks capital as shares slump
Dollar Falls to Record Low Versus Euro, Swiss Franc on Rates
Building Permits Slump to 14-Year Low
Crude Oil Rises More Than $2 as Dollar Falls to Record Low
Get your crosses made in sweatshops...
When unemployment goes up the Stock Market goes up.
When unemployment goes down the Stock Market goes down.
The Stock Market produces nothing. It does not make cars or clothes or food. It just makes a few people obscenely rich and a lot of people scratch their heads.
We should abolish it.
Terrible @ 10:
Cool man, you're welcome.
Peace.
Night Night Good Spirits. Human found self nodded off at keybd. Drooling. Not a pretty sight.
Peazzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Sweet, succinct video. They could have left off the "Thanks from the People". The presidential contenders get far too many thanks for so little action as it is.
And another thing ... shouldn't this be addressed instead to every person running for the Senate or House in 2008? Those are the bodies who have ceded power.
"17 Rove.v.Wag Says: Sweet, succinct video. They could have left off the “Thanks from the People”. The presidential contenders get far too many thanks for so little action as it is.
And another thing … shouldn’t this be addressed instead to every person running for the Senate or House in 2008? Those are the bodies who have ceded power."
One step further: Shouldn't it be sddressed to all of us?
Misery loves company....I'm grateful for the company that encourages me to move instead of complain. And I'm grateful for caffeine.
I'm guessing the balance is about right, Bush was voted in at least
"20 John H Says: I’m guessing the balance is about right, Bush was voted in at least"
I like fiction too. I would just rather read it than live it.
There is no fiction. Every story is based on something.
I'm thankful CrooksandLiars is out there. If it didn't exist I would have missed a lot of good info and would have had to own a TV to keep up with the lies coming from the MSM. You folks have done a great job of creating a focus for what has been going on with our current insanity. Thank you for your hard work.
Never saw this photo of Cheney taking a spin in a bumper car. He just seems to be enjoying himself way too much... (and could that be Rove on the far left?)
I'm grateful that man invented music.
And I'm grateful that I'm old enough to have sewn my wild oats before the spectre of AIDS.
"24 Thing Fish Says: Never saw this photo of Cheney taking a spin in a bumper car. He just seems to be enjoying himself way too much… (and could that be Rove on the far left?)"
No, you know as well as i do he would be on the far right. :)
My kids
Always
When I was young my mother had a world atlas/gazeteer, printed circa 1920, that actually showed a few portions of the world as unexplored. As I aged and those places disappeared much of the mystery and freshness of life left as well. Today, as we crowd each other to the edges, and world places offer no mystery, I'm THANKFUL that there is among us bold, intelligent people that look beyond for the next "unexplored" challenges. I'm also THANKFUL, along with Kentucky Hillbilly, for Crooks and Liars and the opportunity that John Amato provides to slap those assholes down that would rather have us live in fear rather than hope.
Grateful for truth, though it sometimes takes some hunting--grateful we have tools to help us find it. And flowers.
Group hug.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8DtpdXZi0M
Storytellers who make me laugh.
pledge Alliegence
To the corporation
And to the profits
Which it demands
One peon
Under thumb
Uninsured
With instability
And Outsoursing
For all
Thank you, Jack Murtha for your recent expression on the President scaring people over funding. With the President swaggering all over the place again.
It is helpful to have hope that future governance has the American peoples backbone in its conscience.
-Combining Senator Reid's address of this out of session possible Presidents appointments in the Senates absence.
-Henry Waxman on the "Family Values" of Cookie and Buzz Krongard (to name one). ***********Some good moves of late.
-Small but taken to heart. I know Government does not move as fast as I would like and probably rightfully so.
I would settle for much more investigations and hearings into ineptnessfaked to cover intentional corruption, everyday Republican corruption and Accountibility of this Adm's actions.
For Christmas Santa, I want a Cheney impeachment investigation that leads to penetrating questions in these hearings, AT THE LEAST....
Hmm... I think he's about 50% on these, but some of the better half are entertaining (almost makes me wish I had TV so I could watch Rollins show on IFC). He isn't perfect, of course, but these in particular seem very Crooks and Liars:
The Internet
Distraction
Cheaters
Church and State
Technology Generation
Impeachment
Corporate Drug Culture
Mission
I'm grateful for pissed off, stubborn, hard-asses amount the general population that not only refuse to be cowed but refuse to let you forget it when you're being an enabling jackass as well. Even if the only ones we are exposed to are 'entertainers'... at least they make the truth easier to swallow...
In normal life, no one has to like the non-comedian assholes, but I'm glad we still have our fair share in this country.
4 - JustSickOfIt Says:
Signing statements anyone?
[Deleted. Off topic and blogwhoring-Sitemonitor]
- My life
- My family
- My country
- My job (Yes, I like what I do and who I do it with)
- Living in this time in history
- My freedom
- ....
- C&L and other blogs, where I can vent.
- Thethinkers@crooksandliars.com
HAPPY THANKSGIVING TO ALL!
HAVE MORE JOY THAN ME AND FOR A DAY LONGER!
The latest Church scandal has the Pope transmitting an STD to one of his illegitimate sons.
Apparently, the Pope acquired the STD from one of the Cardinal's daughters, who moonlights as a streetwalker in St. Peter's square. The Pope's infected son, Peter II, supposedly infected the second cousin of the Vatican's physician, who recognized the symptoms while performing an abortion on her.
Gosh, I sure hope this doesn't spread through the whole Vatican, especially with the holidays coming up.
And oh yeah, I'm thankful I renounced catholicism, or I might hurt when I pee.
Vote for my ride please. My car, a 1957 Studebaker Silver Hawk, made it into the 30 finalists for Collectible Car of the Year at the New York Times website. Registration is required but it's free so go vote early and often.
Thanks :)
A Certain Mr. Krugman! for all he does.
12 and 14 - I think at least part of what drives the stock market higher these days is the fact that a fair number of us are forced to put money into it thru our 401K plans and pretty much any other 'retirement investment' option out there. I for one would love to be able to pay off my mortgage with my 401K and pension money, as I earn it. It does me no good to invest (buy paper from some rich guy) the money only to have the value drop. At least with my house, I can live in it, regardless of it's 'value'. I am convinced that when the baby boomers all start to retire, and go to move from 'volatile' stocks to 'safe' bonds, the market will turn ugly, fast. First one out will do O.K., last one out will get majorly screwed....
Giuliani/Obama, that's the ticket. Once they have the East Coast dope business locked-up, they can return their salaries to the Treasury and start cutting the deficit. As soon as they have the Midwest meth market under control, they can donate a portion of their profits to charity, like "Save the US from Bankruptcy". When they make their big move, and take over the West Coast hallucinogen bonanza, they can eliminate the Defense department, the Department of Justice, and turn the whole cabinet into a faith-based prayer council, with control of 'The Button', in case the Islamofascists get rowdy and need to be nuked.
In the spirit of US capitalism, Rudy will be able to buy Sicily as a 'Retirement Ranch" (or a 'Retreat', in case the heat gets on him while he's still in office).
Barack can acquire Morocco and the Sahara desert, proclaim himself 'Lord and King of Northern African', while purchasing Oahu as a winter haven (as well as a source of 'Hawaiian Gold').
If rival gangs don't assassinate them while in office, they'll be able to retire, buy a couple of Airbus 500's as personal planes, and spend 24/7/364 (Taking Chanukkah off in homage to their leaders) cruising high above their empire, while high on the 'World's Best Dope'.
And that'll give them something to be thankful for, considering what they might have become, if it weren't for the gullibility of the American public.
What a Thanksgiving, I can't even buy a dinner!
No one seems to have change for greenbacks anymore, all anyone is carrying are Yuan and Euros.
What a country!
On topic.....Dennis Kucinich WILL restore balance to the 3 EQUAL Branches of government! First by excising the minions of the anti-christ, such as, monica-jeebus first, reality be damned-goodling and the rest of the incompetent, ignorant, armageddon worshiping twerps who have been annointed to oversee the granular workings of democracy thereby marginalizing,at best, the truly dedicated career bureaucrats who are now weeping in the unemployment lines for this beacon of hope on the hill that we once had......only Dennis Kucinich has the gumption and courage to stop the neo-con horde from completely taking over our beautiful country with their sick, sick authoritarian-fascist turbo charged policies.......everyday and everywhere you go speak up and counter the right wing meme of electability......Kucinich is a threat to the status quo so let us make him a bigger threat everyday with money bombs until your check book cries.....break the delusion or wallow in ignorance....our choice
Daily Reading....
Treason confirmed: Former White House press secretary Scott McClellan blames President Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney for efforts to mislead the public about the role of White House aides in leaking the identity of a CIA operative.
- http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071121/ap_on_go_pr_wh/cia_leak_mcclellan;_y...
David Sirota: "Some folks have asked me why I have written so much about John Edwards in the past few months. The answer can be seen in this short clip." - http://action.credomobile.com/sirota/2007/11/corporate_interests_have_li...
Another Tom Tomorrow beauty - http://action.credomobile.com/comics/2007/11/a_different_president_a_dif...
The Right wingnuts: Faith vs. Fact: Saying No To Science Because The Bible Tells Me So? - http://www.thoughttheater.com/2007/11/faith_vs_fact_no_to_science_the_bi...
The United Nations is set to release data suggesting that the number of individuals infected with HIV is lower than previously believed. The announcement has led some to argue that the UN is misleading the world with regards to global warming. There is a dangerous trend by those on the right to discount fact when it doesn’t comport with faith. Unfortunately, that doesn’t happen when it comes to the changing justifications for the war in Iraq.
"Let's see, the scientific community gave us modern medicine, indoor plumbing and men on the moon. The Bible thumpers gave us the crusades, burning at the stake for differences of opinion about religion and the Inquisition. Science is fact, the Bible is belief. Anyone can "believe" what they want. But a belief never trumps a fact and that makes true believers dangerous."
Remember the old saw, the old truism, that 'ignorance of the law is no excuse'?
Could that still hold true if the lawmakers, and the law-enforcers, purposely hide the laws from the people, holding them 'secret'?
How about that, Mukasey? Are you just a Bush pawn, and pimp, or are you going to do something right, something legal, for the people?
I am grateful former Vermont Senator James Jeffords had the courage to tell the Republican party to jam it on May 24, 2001, switching the Senate to "barely" Democratic as well as all the committee heads. The first 4 years of Bush2 would have been even worse without his courageous move.
I'm grateful for Al Sharpton. God, if only the Dems would nominate him, the election season would be so much more fun....
Bush: Less Effective Than Jimmy Carter
State proclamations calling on Congress to act are powerful. Kucinich announced support for NH Legislature to pass proclamation calling on the House to investigate and impeach the President. Other proclamations include calls for the House to remove Pelosi as Speaker to make way for impeachment. ( Details ). State proclamation effort is making progress.
So, y'all gonna pig out on turkey, gobble on ham, or toy with your tofu?
"State proclamations calling on Congress to act are powerful. Kucinich announced support for NH Legislature to pass proclamation calling on the House to investigate and impeach the President. Other proclamations include calls for the House to remove Pelosi as Speaker to make way for impeachment. ( Details ). State proclamation effort is making progress."
While I believe Kucinich to be a man of principle, he is just window dressing. The fact that he is relegated to the fringes and marginalized while a triangulating, unprincipled, finger-in-the-wind, Rupert Murdoch-funded maggot like Hillary is front runner is a testament to the sorry state of the Democratic party. Kucinich does serve a purpose, however: to help keep useful idiots voting blue.
To quote Arthur Silber:
"[F]or the reasons set forth above (and a full case would fill many volumes), the Democrats are not going to impeach any of these criminals, barring events entirely unforeseeable at present. And they will not for one overwhelmingly significant and determinative reason: always with regard to the underlying principles, and frequently with regard to the specifics, the Democrats are implicated in every single crime with which they would charge the members of the administration. The Republicans' crimes are their crimes.
"Try to grasp this finally, before it is too late: the Democrats may differ from the Republicans on matters of detail, or emphasis, or style. But with regard to the fundamental political principles involved, everything that has happened over the last six years -- just as is the case with everything that has happened over the last one hundred years -- is what the Democrats want, too.
"This should not be a difficult point to understand. The historical record is compelling in its clarity, and overpowering in its length and volume. A corporatist, authoritarian state is what the ruling elites want, and it is precisely what serves their interests, Republican and Democrat alike. They know it; they count on your inability or refusal to see it."
I am grateful for my kids and for the time to spend with them. I am grateful for truth tellers like Amato. I WAS grateful for Morning Sediton but they took it away from me. Now
I am grateful for the Seder vs maron Vodcast on sam seder show website tuesdays.
ysbaddaden @ 51:
Turkey of course!!!! My 8 year old passes out from the triptophan a word I can't spell. How about you ysbaddaden?
I'm grateful for John Amato, and Crooks and Liars.
ok, now that I've sucked up completely, I'm thankful for my family, my job,
and my health.
And that Hillary Clinton is running for the Presidency.
Sorry had to get that in....
"And that Hillary Clinton is running for the Presidency."
lol
"In a way, the world-view of the Party imposed itself most successfully on people incapable of understanding it. They could be made to accept the most flagrant violations of reality, because they never fully grasped the enormity of what was demanded of them, and were not sufficiently interested in public events to notice what was happening. By lack of understanding they remained sane. They simply swallowed everything, and what they swallowed did them no harm, because it left no residue behind, just as a grain of corn will pass undigested through the body of a bird."
--George Orwell
boosh couldn't pass the balance part of a cop's field sobriety test.
Do y'all realize that the next presidential election could come down to Clinton versus Giuliani?!
How in the hell are we gonna pick the 'least worst' of those choices?
Politics Sux!
In regards to the outing of Valerie Plame:
There was one problem. It was not true," McClellan writes, according to a brief excerpt released Tuesday. "I had unknowingly passed along false information. And five of the highest-ranking officials in the administration were involved in my doing so:
Rove
Libby
the vice president
the president's chief of staff
and the president himself."
There you have it! The smoking gun! If Bush would be Nixon, he'd resigning soon to avoid impeachment. Is somebody gonna do something about it? Of course not!
Not really what I want. But is better. If we Democrats enter the White House, there is so much to repair, there is not time to impeach these fucking assholes.
Bring the our internal affair in order, and apologize to the world for the mess we have created.
Why boosh pardoned those Thanksgiving turkeys
http://images.tribe.net/tribe/upload/photo/24d/015/24d0151d-be14-48f9-a8...
If that was Socks, we could say boosh was eating Clinton's pussy.
Hillary is not going to abdicate imperial powers if she wins.
And none of the dems plan to remove troops from Iraq.
Chris Mathews is not doing America any favors as he promotes and features these criminals all over media that American people pay for.
I am so tired of paying these high ass cable fees when this is the only shit you get for the money these bastards are taking from us.
It is a dame shame that our democratic candidates have to deal with the humiliation of these bastards running our debates. They are never going to be able to give us the straight answers that we want for having to feign off all the bull shit these lunatics are shoving in their face to start shit and then get all over the TV, the next day laughing and playing games with it. They are making another joke out of something so very important and serious to the candidates as well as the American people.
People all over the world are watching this as they have been for the last seven plus years of these criminals making a complete ass out of what was once the greatest country in the world.
We need to blast our candidates and demand they not go on any of these networks for debates except C-Spain and demand they get the women’s league or some independent bodies to present the questions to them. Make sure that democrats are the people conducting the debates.
If these right wing thugs want to run debates, let them run the republicans because they sure as hell are not allowing the democrats to present questions to those bastards.
After the debates is even more discouraging, when they set up their round table session of right wing idiots, to demonize, criticize and ignore our candidates as well as promote the one they are trying to push in our face. It is simply unfair and it is wrong and they know it.
This is just the beginning of what we have to look forward to in the 2008 election folks as our night mare is only just beginning, especially if they are somehow able to push their choice of a candidate through. It is going to be hell.
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