TIME, please spare us Joe Klein on FISA
And it's one, two, three--what are we....Joke Line makes a fool out of himself again.
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For context I'll do a Flashback to Joe Klein way back on April 16th, 2006 when he appeared on THIS WEEK while talking about Iran.
Klein: We should not take any option including the use of nuclear, tactical nuclear weapons off the table…
Stephanopoulos: Keep that on the table?-That’s insane...
Yes it is an insane position, but that's Joe Klein for you...I don't think he appreciated it that much because after my posting and a pile on by other bloggers he was forced to admit that he was an idiot.
A few weeks ago, I made a mistake while bloviating on the Sunday morning television program This Week With George Stephanopoulos. I said that all military options, including the use of tactical nuclear weapons should remain on the table in our future dealings with Iran. I was wrong on three counts.
He had to make himself feel better by calling us "screechers," though because he couldn't take the heat like a man.
I probably would not be writing this were it not for all the left-wing screeching ...
I write this because Glenn Greenwald took Joke Line to school over his nonsense about FISA the other day and he strikes a chord about the Villagers that we can't emphazie enough in the liberal blogosphere.
For the sake of its own credibility, Time Magazine needs immediately to prohibit Joe Klein from uttering another word about the eavesdropping and FISA controversy. He simply doesn't know what he's talking about and he publishes demonstrably false statements.
Klein's latest article in Time does nothing more than what Klein and most Beltway "liberal" pundits always do and have been doing for the last twenty years -- namely, warn Democrats that they will lose elections unless they renounce their beliefs and act as much as possible like Republicans on national security issues. The article is entitled "Still Stumbling on National Security" and contains every 1980-2003 cliche about how Democrats better not oppose the big, mean, tough George Bush on war issues or else Rush Limbaugh will attack them and they'll lose. More on that in a moment...read on
Jane Hamsher echoes my sentiments perfectly.
I can only conclude that people like Klein got along for so very long by churning out nonsense that nobody challenged and now they can’t come to terms with the fact that they are being fed bullshit by people with an agenda, even when they’re called on it. The twisted logic and rationalizations he has to indulge in to justify his position are almost sad.
Looks like Joe's assignment for 08 is to try to make the Dem's look like a group of lily livered pantywaists on defense.
Please spare us Joe Klein
"I had unknowingly passed along false information. And five of the highest ranking officials in the administration were involved in my doing so: Rove, Libby, the Vice President, the President's chief of staff, and the President himself." Scott McClellan
So anyway with that one little statement, all excuses for not impeaching President Bush and Vice President Cheney have evaporated.
It amazes me that the Sunday morning talk shows and the rest of the MSM keep turning to dipshits like Klein, Bill Kristol, Charles Krauthammer, and the rest who have been so wrong about so much with their bloviating lo these many years. And now we see them picking up that lying sack o' shit, Karl Rove?! Would that the MSM actually puts some THINKING people and fresh voices like Glenn Greenwald out there to opine about stuff they might actually know something about. Instead we're stuck with tired old retreads who long ago lost their groove . . . if they ever had one.
Bugs @ 4:
It's a dilemma. And the longer one waits, the worse things are getting.
Ya know of the old reference about "political hacks?" Well, this Joe Klein fella, is nothing but a good ole media hack and "journalist" my ass.....
America like many other things has ceased doing bonafide "journalism" long ago.....
The media is as, if not, more corrupt, than politics/politicians/banker whores, all of whom are ruining the United States of America!
The media are complicit in the war crimes of the Bush administration and this Joe Klein dude also belongs on trial for allowing the lies of the Bush-Cheney administration spiral into the war crime actions they took against the Iraqi people. Joe Klein is nothing but a liar and fabricator who has an agenda of America dropping bombs all over the Middle East. People like Joe Klein as many others who want America to spy on fellow law abiding citizens and wage more immoral and illegal wars belong locked up in the nearest state mental institution.
It is time to start holding journalists accountable for the war crimes and domestic law breaking of the Bush-Cheney administration and not allow them any "journalistic" legitimacy if they continue on their deliberate and direct misinformation campaigns of trying to deceive the American people of their ethical duties to be the watchdogs of democracy.
If journalists want to be part of the political establishment rather than honest analysts about policies and crimes committed, then its time to ask for these "journalists" to be held for trial for the crimes of the United States government. If "journalists" want to continue to be an extension of the Bush-Cheney administration then they have no right to claim their constitutional exemption of "freedom of the press" as long as they subvert the truth and continue deliberately to confuse and misinform the public.
"Journalists" who knowingly falsify the truth in favor of pushing government propaganda do not deserve to be called bonafide journalists whatsoever, but, definitely have earned their right to be called propagandists and crooks.
Joe Klein's stasi apologist fan fics are disgusting
Financially things are a little tough right now for me. So I can truthfully say I do know the true value of money.
But I'd rather be dead and buried than be this stupid piece of human waste despite the millions he is getting paid.
Yep, there can be no fouler fate than to actually be Joke Line.
To be this stupid and corrupt and go on TeeBee and show everyone on the planet what a waste of skin your are.
Nope, rather be dead...thanks.
Why do we suffer this idiots internal turmoil?
What a fucking moron.
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And people pay attention to Joe Klein because....????????
Ah Joe "village idiot" Klein. One of the primary reasons I cancelled my TIME subscription.
Hard to believe Joe wrote for Rolling Stone during its glory years in the 1970s.
Maybe it's not so insane... attacking Iraq was insane... that was attacking the wrong country, one that wasn't a threat... IRAN, just might be a threat... it appears they are. Too bad Bush and company couldn't figure that out... cause when you're president, you really only get one big war to start... Bush stupidly choose Iraq, to please his dumb father... and now, we don't have the balls to attack the RIGHT country this time, IRAN.
Quite right, but Klein's been happily peddling bullshit himself for a long time, perhaps most of all on FISA.
the reference to limbaugh is appropriate. increasingly, since reagan killed the fairness Doctrine twenty years ago, lazy establishment talking heads like kline, like ticks on limbaugh's ass, have found the talk radio bandwagon of nationally synchronized GOP talking points, one-liners, and myths very easy and profitable to ride.
it is that uncontested repetition to 50-70 MIL that establishes the establisment media- that is where much of the groundwork has been done for the last twenty years- while progressives and media critics ignored it.
I wonder if everyone else was as relieved as I was that Harry Reid finally grew a set this week and is keeping the Senate in pro forma session to block Bush's recess appointments. FINALLY!!!! Democrats showing the tiniest amount of a spine!!!! I would love it if their poll numbers were to start going up because they are finally standing up, not only to Bush but also to the "republican light" democrats who've enabled this administrations crimes.
We need to get rid of all of these "republican lite" people because they are fools who are enabling the further destruction of this country.
I do wish you would STOP using the word, "bloviating." That is a Bill O'Really word that was not in current popular usage until he started using it at the end of every Factor show. He is also partial to another that makes me cringe each time I hear a liberal or progressive person use it: "opine." O'Really always smiles smugly when he uses these two words because he's a school boy who has just picked them up from random flipping through a dictionary or constant reliance on Roget. He actually has a vocabulary of about 200 words, so he thinks he is really being er, ah, in-tuh-lec-tu-al when he comes up with something as cute as "bloviating." Your repeating O'Really, even if you used the word long before you heard him use it, is not one of your more endearing traits.
OH, if it had ONLY been "Joke line" (I love it)...that was never challenged...I'm getting heartburn regularly watching Chris Matthews (for example) trying to purse his old lips and "hit guests HARD" while saying he's all about getting out the truth and completely drawing a blank on his own (and that of his colleagues in the paid for opinion punditry) complicity with this administration FROM THE BEGINNING!!! Talk about rewriting history!
Joe Klein is a twat. His last book was a shitty joke. He is transparent. He has no point or steady platform. He just wants another paycheck for offering lazy, ridiculous opinions, of which, he has many.
When Time Magazine took a sharp turn to the Neocon-Right i Dumped my Subscription.
and i have not read it since. I view Time Mag. as i view the star or the enquire
"I can only conclude that people like Klein got along for so very long by churning out nonsense that nobody challenged and now they can’t come to terms with the fact that they are being fed bullshit by people with an agenda, even when they’re called on it. The twisted logic and rationalizations he has to indulge in to justify his position are almost sad."
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I agree with "almost" everything in this excellent statement, except for the qualification of "almost sad". F**k that, its not almost sad, its a god damned tradgedy. Joe Klein and the MSM repeatedly prove that they are corporate whores with zero credibility to speak on issues of LIFE AND DEATH. Thank GAWD for C&L and the C&L'r bloggers for continually exposing this kind of bullshit. You'all do this country proud.
Off the table?
Can we just take this idiot off the television?
Stepho says "we know for a fact that there are 40,000 potential suicide bombers." and the fact checker on the panel was. . .
"We can't take that option off the table because we don't know what options are on the table on their side."
You can see why he was mistaken. Nobody knows what kind of insidious weapon Iran might use against the US. We know they have WMD, chemical, biological and probably nuclear. We know they have mobile bio-labs that can generate weaponized anthrax that they will then load onto remote control drones that they will fly over the the Fatherland and kill millions of patriotic Americans. We can't wait for a mushroom cloud, can we? Ooops, that's my old Iraq sheet, sorry.
Heh-heh, you can see how I got the two mixed up Iran Iraq. They both have lots of oil that is really ours, and a bunch of brown skinned people just ripe for the killing. So it's actually a logical extension of why we destroyed Iraq in the first place. Yep that's it! We went into Iraq so we could overthrow the cruel and dangerous dictatorship in Iran and bring freedom to the peace loving people of Iran who will throw flowers at our feet and greet us as liberators. How's that for recycled goal-post moving?
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