Frank Luntz Dials The GOP CNN/YouTube Debate

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You know what the best thing about Republicans debates is for me?  Frankie "The Hair" Luntz always comes on FOX News to give some more of his patented marketing wisdom.  You know, the kind of wisdom that allows you to spin all your negatives into sounding--but not really being--positive?  There are few in the media who make my job easier.  Watch Frank give his interpretation of his dial polls during the CNN/YouTube GOP debates:

If you want to understand what Republicans are looking for: passion, principles and pithy commentary. And the candidate that stood out yesterday was Fred Thompson.

Pithy, but not factually-based, right, Frank?  And as far as passion, I've seen people without pulses that seem more passionate than Fred Thompson, but maybe you go for that type.  And try as I might, I couldn't find a single other person who agreed with your assessment that Freddie of Hollywood won the debate.  Curious, that.

However, my favorite part is when Luntz apologizes to Sean Hannity for being one of those last desperate few who support GWB:

They're afraid that as they watch--and these people, Sean, are watching both Republican and Democratic debates; I'm not surprised that they're getting very high ratings--They look at what the Democrats offer and to them, it doesn't sound-and I'm going to use this word deliberately-it doesn't sound American. To the Republicans. And they're nervous that the Democratic candidates will take the country backward. Point one. Point two is that they want to see the Republicans with a genuine focus and they find that the Democrats have been more precise in terms of issues than their own candidates have been and third, and I apologize for this, Sean, they're very disappointed with President Bush. Republicans who voted for him are disappointed in what has happened over the past two years.

Think how disappointed those of us who never voted for Bush are in them, Frank. 



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Is that a new toupee?
I don't recognize this one.

They look at what the Democrats offer and to them, it doesn’t sound-and I’m going to use this word deliberately-it doesn’t sound American.,/B>

You mean unlike unprovoked wars, torture, rendition, unlawful searches, and flat out being a bunch of lying fucks. Yeah, now that's American.

Why would "he" have to apologize to Insean Vannity, since we all know faux and their reich-wing boot lickers are "fair and balanced"?

The same reason that frank luntz likes fred thomspson is the same reason that al franken wrote in one of his books why frank luntz liked him----he's a star-fucker.

I wish I'd seen this before I wrote Assclowns of the Week #666: The Evil That Assclowns Do Edition, is up. Luntz would've effectively bumped someone off. Oh well. On the spit this week:

The Bush administration
Mitt Romney
Joe Klein
Saudi Arabia
The Sudan
Rudy Giuliani
an expanded Dishonorable Mention section and much, much more.

OT but,
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yep,he's sorry alright.

1000 Yards of White Skin

I had to adjust the brightness on my television while watching the CNN You Tube Rupuke debate the other night. I had never seen so much white assembled in one room. I ended up wearing a pair a dark sun shades to dim the view of Anderson “Katrina” Coopers hair and hundreds of yards of the whitest white skin on earth. This must be why it is called a race for the White House.

While this debate began as a usual Rupuke hate fest, it ended up being one of the campiest productions on TV since the strike started. Of course I have yet to see Bill Moral Orally interview ALF yet. These dudes got so caught up in to out hate each other that I thought I was watching a Christopher Guest movie.

One of my favorite hate mongers on all time is Duncan Hunter, whose very name alone emits such butch overtones one might mistake him for a porn star. Duncan is mighty proud of his big wall. Yes, he built a wall, (or had it built, he is not that butch) that is several hundred feet long to protect his fellow white man from the evil Mexican doers. If elected President, Duncan has promised to build a big roof and big doors to go with the wall. In other words, Hunter is going to build one big motherfucking house to protect us all. Fox Reality TV network will televise the project, strike or no strike.

I also love Mittens Romney. Say what you will, but he is one handsome fucking Mormon. I have such a fantasy of pulling his pants down, bending him over my knees, taking a hit of poppers and having him beg Daddy Jack for a spanking. I did find it a little disturbing to read that he was out playing “touch” football with his boys the day of the debate, or was it rugby, or hamster hunting? You can insert your sport of choice as Mitt aims to please according to the voter’s geographical taste.

Then there was John McCain who will soon become the spokesmodel for Aricept. Did you know that John McCain was held captive? Let me repeat it…Did you know that John McCain was held captive? While he repeats this over and over , and over, he fails to mention that it was during the Civil War. There is no need for Viagra for this neocon, warmongering alone gives him a hard on that will keep his version of Marla Maples happy for minutes.

Then there is Ru9y Gui11ani. He thinks you should vote for him because he knows how to put on a face mask and walk in front of the cameras at the same time. Brilliant! He thought he was going to have the punch line of the hatemongering night when he made a comment about Mitten’s having a “sanctuary mansion”. He was so proud of that line, which one can assume was provided to him by Bruce Villanch, that he repeated over and over, interspersed with the frequent NINE ONE ONE. Of course the Mayor and his buddies were rewarded big time for their efforts with tons of money and pounds of poon tang. Let’s face it, Gulliani may carry a big stick, but he has a face to protect it.

Tom “who gives a rat’s ass” Tancredo announced his pending heterosexual marriage to Lou Dobbs. They are trying to make it into the Guinness Book or Records by being the first most hateful duo since Tom Delay and Barbara Bush.

Then there is Ron Paul who the others snicker at. Yet he is the only one standing with a lick of sense. He has done more than anyone else to remind people that the state of Texas isn’t completely full of assholes.

The irony was that in on this stage of supposed machismo, not one of these men could handle the ultra-soft balls that were thrown their way. Perhaps it was because they all lack a set of their own.

The above views are those of this writer and should no way be interpreted as fact, nor should the author be sent to Guantanamo Bay for having and expressing such thoughts.

Luntz uses his job to troll for chicks.
When he was on C-Span last year, doing his focus group thing, and he happened to mention that he was single, and if there were any single women in the audience, he was available, and they should stay after.
Everybody laughed - awkwardly, but it wan't hard to see that Luntz, beneath that rug of his, is one desparately lonely man.

My girlfriend and I were just talking about how one can have a big IQ and even a big vocabulary and still not be very bright. Enter Frank Luntz. He simply lacks that higher order of reason that allows one to alchemize knowledge into wisdom.

Of course as a Republican, he's in good company.

3rd Qtr 11:15

Oklahoma 14
Missouri 14

polemic @ 10:

Luntz uses his job to troll for chicks.
When he was on C-Span last year, doing his focus group thing, and he happened to mention that he was single, and if there were any single women in the audience, he was available, and they should stay after.
Everybody laughed - awkwardly, but it wan't hard to see that Luntz, beneath that rug of his, is one desparately lonely man.

Little doubt that was a ruse devised to cover his rumored preference for young boys.

L.A. Confidential @ 12:

3rd Qtr 11:15

Oklahoma 14
Missouri 14

Duhhhhhhhhhhh

This is a fascist country - I would expect to hear sentiments like - republicans are concerned that democrats will take the country backwards.

Healthy democracy requires inclusion, tolerance, pluralism and compromise - properties missing in the US.

This is a doomed country. There is no love for the opposition, no room for inclusion -- no joy in mudville.

I dont give the US much hope for long term stability or survival.

It gives me no pleasure to say that.

Chilling,
Republicans approve of torture . . .
They applauded
They are against the rule of law
They are against what happened at the Nuremburg Trials

The mind reels that they can't understand what we are giving up when we approve of that

Hey Senator how does it feel to know your own party APPROVES of what was done to you?

Who else are they willing to torture?

The people in the focus group are really creepy. I liked the way McCain spoke to Romney, and I thought romney seemed stupid, slippery, unethical and dishonest. I thought that they deserve the debt and destruction of the Bush presidency. But, the rest of us are saddled with a weaker America because of their creepiness. Boy, the country would have been different if Gore had won.

Agreed - "Passionate" and Fred Thompson are at opposite ends of the spectrum.

What on earth is Luntz thinking? Does he believe that making this inane comment makes it true?

Does he think he can convince people that something that is so clearly MISSING - was NOT?

The absolute and remarkable stupidity of these people - it truly amazes me.
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I hate Luntz and his "audience meter". He needs to wash his grease-drenched hair

Somebody get Grandpa Fred a guest shot on Pushing Daisies. He looks like he really needs it.

Disappointed????!!!! Frank thinks we're disappointed with Dubya??!

Who picked this audience and how long did it take them to teach these people how to operate the “audience meter” thingies? I’m guessing no less than two weeks, minimum.

Absent massive election theft and vote rigging, the floor is so going to get mopped with the GOP's ass next year.

Thanks for that pithy insight, Frank, though it lacked passion. The only Fred is interested in is when's the next nap?

Amitola @ 21:

Disappointed????!!!! Frank thinks we're disappointed with Dubya??!

Yeah, my audience meter hit the floor. The understatement of the month.

Disappointed over the last two years? Oh yeah, the prior five invading Iraq and assaulting its citizens, infringing our civil liberties and wiretapping us were just fine.

The one statement that he made, that stood out to me was, he was afraid the Democrats would take the country backward. What the hell. Backwards to what?? If it was backward to 1992 to 1999 then I would say yeah..backward. At least during those eight years the country was running a heck of a lot smoother than it is today.

And ANSWER ME THIS, how damn backward can you get when you fire science teachers because they teach evolution instead of intelligent design. And because they tell the country the world is not flat and that the sun does not evolve around the earth...

Oh hell yes the Democrats are going to take us backward............

Living in Az, every republican I know cant understand what has been done that is so wrong. They dont want to 'lose' a war - like a football game. But they dont understand why it was wrong in general.

One republican I know agrees with me routinely. But I know him. He is a liar. Always has been.

I came to a realization that I found important. Namely - reason. To a thoughtful person, reason is the process of examining information in an attempt to broaden or deepen understanding. To others, what they call reason is little more than rhetoric - the purpose of which is to win an argument. Broadening or deepening understanding is pointless as they are proceeding from a conclusion in any case - they already have their answers.

I believe we are witnessing these two perspectives - engaged in a struggle that may end the country.

anon @ 28:

I came to a realization that I found important. Namely - reason. To a thoughtful person, reason is the process of examining information in an attempt to broaden or deepen understanding. To others, what they call reason is little more than rhetoric - the purpose of which is to win an argument. Broadening or deepening understanding is pointless as they are proceeding from a conclusion in any case - they already have their answers.

I believe we are witnessing these two perspectives - engaged in a struggle that may end the country.

I think you're quite right anon. There is the belief among these stubborn folks that it is impossible for the US to do wrong-it's the very definition of American exceptionalism. Like when Richard Nixon was interviewed by Frost and said if the President does it, it cna't be wrong. It turns the notion of morality on its head by saying that wahtever we do, we're the best. That makes Middle Eastern nations and "Old Europe" reallllllly bad given how badly our country has behaved over the last few years. And I agree, in fact I don't think it's a question of whether the country will fall apart. It's just a question of when.

Fox News is like watching WWF wrestling.
You know it's fake, but you watch sometimes just to see what stupid thing they will do next.

Marge @ 27:

The one statement that he made, that stood out to me was, he was afraid the Democrats would take the country backward. What the hell. Backwards to what?? If it was backward to 1992 to 1999 then I would say yeah..backward. At least during those eight years the country was running a heck of a lot smoother than it is today.

And ANSWER ME THIS, how damn backward can you get when you fire science teachers because they teach evolution instead of intelligent design. And because they tell the country the world is not flat and that the sun does not evolve around the earth...

Oh hell yes the Democrats are going to take us backward............

Well said, and on the mark.

Ugh.

Hannity, Thompson, Luntz are utterly repulsive.

I'm not going to let it spoil the awesome night of college football.

Ohio State is in the national championship!

And they’re nervous that the Democratic candidates will take the country backward

Yeah Damn!, you know no one wants to see the US step back from becoming a fascist police state. Wouldn't want that nope.

The focus group was chilling. People applauding torture? We have fallen far indeed. Oh well, at least it was cute the way Sean and Frank wore matching outfits.

penn and teller did a great episode of bullshit on pollsters, highlighting luntz and getting him to basically admit that he makes this shit up

and thanx for showing that ex cop saying the most idiotic thing i have heard all year

Why isn't anybody picking up the story that romney bought straw poll votes?
or that most of the questions were democratic plants?
or that cnn is totally corrupt?

Or that ron paul did an awesome job kicking mccain in the nuts and saying just what he though.

F*ck You Frank!

- Penn & Teller (& me)

Luntz is finally looking like the cheap used car salesman he is. What a fascist whore.

Some bleat that politics is 90% emotion. Luntz capitalizes on this notion with his scratch-o-meter. It's the emotions that drive the political choices of many, to be sure, but did you get the level of ignorance among those in the sample audience who responded? My God, they're as dumb as fenceposts! They've all lost the concept of... what... "The Rule of Law!" It's all about revenge, as if these dolts know their enemy. But they have no idea who their enemy is. They don't know that over 99% of all "enemy combatants" have NOT been prosecuted-- because it cannot be proven that they committed terror crimes. But... they've been tortured. This means that hundreds, and perhaps thousands of innocent people have been tortured. And the young folks in the audience don't seem to know that. All that they want is... action-- a demonstration that America has balls. Not that we understand the rule of law, or that we are always weighing the scales of justice. No.. we want America to kick ass, or torture and kill, to eliminate people who don't like our policies.

It's this population that the GOP is attacting: the authoritarian, morally absolute, uneducated knuckledragger who, by the way, isn't so much interested in putting on a military uniform as they are watching contractors shoot up Iraqi civilians on the TV.

Hey I am giving him some credit here, at least he pointed out that the world most popular, skilled, and well educated newscaster Sean Hannity may still have at least a sliver of Bush love in his soul.

http://www.hyerstandard.com

And they’re nervous that the Democratic candidates will take the country backward. Point one.

..that the DEMS would take the country backward? Huh? Haven't we been returning to the dark ages since his boy W was selected? If this group had their way, we'd be birthing babies in stables and would have not one civil liberty left. What a putz Luntz.

ugh!!!!

Do you remember when your mother said, You are too smrt for your own good? That's Frank Luntz. Bright, but not so bright.,

The latest repug love-fest was one of the best laughs I've had in a long time thanks to the repug party. These guys are a perfect collection of everything that is wrong with America today. God and hate. It's just a shame that 48% of the American public will never understand that they are backing the party that sticks it to them the most and is racing this country to it's ruin so fast, it will make the falling of Rome look like a speed bump in history. We have gone, in just 60 years, from a land of promise to a land of corporate crooks and thieves, who are interested in profit alone at the expense of the planet and all human life.

I had to laugh out loud when these serious assholes made the crowd applaud. Such morons. Again, the only scary thing to me about it is that ALL of those morons in the audience would vote for any one of them in a heartbeat....no matter how awful they will be for America...and 48% will vote against the Democratic candidate. Ugh.....pitiful.

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Marge @ 27:

The one statement that he made, that stood out to me was, he was afraid the Democrats would take the country backward. What the hell. Backwards to what?? If it was backward to 1992 to 1999 then I would say yeah..backward. At least during those eight years the country was running a heck of a lot smoother than it is today.

And ANSWER ME THIS, how damn backward can you get when you fire science teachers because they teach evolution instead of intelligent design. And because they tell the country the world is not flat and that the sun does not evolve around the earth...

Oh hell yes the Democrats are going to take us backward............

My thoughts too ... well said!

Does Luntz actually make money at what he does or does he live in his parents' basement and just dork around, pretending to be a research scientist?

OliverDreams @ 30:

Fox News is like watching WWF wrestling.
You know it's fake, but you watch sometimes just to see what stupid thing they will do next.

OliverDreams,

That's one of the more brilliant ways of summing up Fox that I've ever heard.

Faux News finally admits people don't like bush. Now that's news; I'm not going to skip over them anymore when I do my channel skimming.

In the old out with the new. Wait it's the other way around..

I know I shouldn't be shocked but I admit I am always stunned people as stupid as that studio audience interviewed actually exist. They must have all been dropped on their heads as children.

Oh, conservatives always love to frame water boarding as an act conducted upon terrorists, but in actuality it is mostly orchestrated upon innocent people. Hell, the US government doesn't even know who the enemy is or the terrorists.

What in gods name is up with that.

30 or less when McCain says torture is wrong? These people are freakin nutcases!

You know, "Dems: We'll take the country backwards" might be a good campaign slogan. At the least, I don't think it's as big a putdown as the creepy focus group thinks it is.

Hmm. Maybe the problem is with the weak-minded "base." (Hey! Isn't that what "al Qaeda" means? The Base?) These people have succumbed to the calls for American fascism. It is illuminating, all right. It explains why the whole Republican slate is such a thundering herd of assholes.

Luntz is a self-avowed liar. Of course, I should put that in Luntzspeak, so it will sound palatable:

Luntz is a right to know, common sense, fair balance kinda guy, and he has the courage to let you know that up front.

Pardon me while I go puke...

Whos the moron who say "poring water on the face of someone who killed 3000 americans", well that'd be ok but thats not whats happening, they're simulating drowning on people who've not actually been charged of any crime and who've just been rounded up, plus its a well known fact that torture doen't work, why can't these idiot neo-con supporters figure that out ? if you simulated drowning on me i'd just tell you what you wanna hear to make it stop.

Turk Meister @ 3:

They look at what the Democrats offer and to them, it doesn’t sound-and I’m going to use this word deliberately-it doesn’t sound American.;

You mean unlike unprovoked wars, torture, rendition, unlawful searches, and flat out being a bunch of lying fucks. Yeah, now that's American.

He continued to say they were afraid, gasp, that democrats were taking the country backwards. Hmmm. Isn't that what conservative want? Isn't that the definition of conservation of political and societal beliefs? The opposite of going backwards is progressing, as in progressive. What Mr Putz doesn't tell you is the people in their focus group wanted to take the US backward about 1200 years, to the middle of the dark ages. Which would be very un-American since nobody had discovered North or South America at the time.

BTW, did you see the bug eyed genetic mutants they got to be in their focus group? It must have taken a whole truck load of anti-psychotics to get that group to sit still for 10 minutes. If only Reagan hadn't emptied out the psychiatric wards, these people would have been in a finger painting class rather than a Fux noise show.

we sound un-american. I guess we also sound un-christian, you know making peace, healing the sick, help the poor, feeding the children. how un-american and un-christian. why is it that we don't SCREAM on every way we can... I am tired sick and tired of wishy-washy Dems. stand up and fight and say... the truth "it is YOU sir and your party that has been come Fasist and un-american." sad...

Jim H @ 54:

Hmm. Maybe the problem is with the weak-minded "base." (Hey! Isn't that what "al Qaeda" means? The Base?) These people have succumbed to the calls for American fascism. It is illuminating, all right. It explains why the whole Republican slate is such a thundering herd of assholes.

Hey Jim, that's not a coincidence or a freak happenstance of language. The Base is what these people were called back in the 1990's because they are a bunch of fundie freaks who will support A N Y T H I N G that might lead to killing brown people. Timothy McVeigh was one of these people. These are American al Qaeda. In the next 8 years when these people are denied their ability to go bomb the brown part of the world, they will turn against the US because it won't be holly enough. It won't be following the way GOD wants. So they will start by bombing abortion and Planned Parenthood clinics. They will lead up to Waco and OK City level terrorist acts. I don't ever remember anyone supporting the indefinite detention and torture of red necks in America. Even though the bombing of the Murrah Federal Building which claimed 168 lives including women and children, was the deadliest act of terrorism within United States borders until the September 11, 2001 attacks and remains the deadliest incident of domestic terrorism in the United States.

I guess as long as red necks kill Americans then it's OK.

JustSickOfIt @ 59:

Jim H @ 54:

Hmm. Maybe the problem is with the weak-minded "base." (Hey! Isn't that what "al Qaeda" means? The Base?) These people have succumbed to the calls for American fascism. It is illuminating, all right. It explains why the whole Republican slate is such a thundering herd of assholes.

Hey Jim, that's not a coincidence or a freak happenstance of language. The Base is what these people were called back in the 1990's because they are a bunch of fundie freaks who will support A N Y T H I N G that might lead to killing brown people. Timothy McVeigh was one of these people. These are American al Qaeda. In the next 8 years when these people are denied their ability to go bomb the brown part of the world, they will turn against the US because it won't be holly enough. It won't be following the way GOD wants. So they will start by bombing abortion and Planned Parenthood clinics. They will lead up to Waco and OK City level terrorist acts. I don't ever remember anyone supporting the indefinite detention and torture of red necks in America. Even though the bombing of the Murrah Federal Building which claimed 168 lives including women and children, was the deadliest act of terrorism within United States borders until the September 11, 2001 attacks and remains the deadliest incident of domestic terrorism in the United States.

I guess as long as red necks kill Americans then it's OK.

I don't see it personally.

I truly don't believe that these people actually hold any true principles, or have much belief in any cause. They're simply brainwashed into this group think where by we're good and everyone else is bad, and that the more they bring others down, the more they bring themselves up.

They're sheep more than anything, who don't have consistent principles. Thats why they can't call themselves conservatives because they simply love to associate themselves with the republican brand because it appears to be butch, and tough. They simply follow what their party tells them to, and who to vote for. Why else would Giuliani be on top of the polls when in reality he's probably the least conservative of all the candidates, the mosty crazy yes, but the least conservative.

Freak Lumpz read Orwell's 1984 and thought Newspeak was a good idea! He has done more harm to our country than Arbusto, almost. Well, that is, the kind of harm Lumpz does will probably outlast even that of Arbusto (if THAT'S possible). I mean, we owe all of the GOP/neocon spinning euphemisms to Lumpz, and the phenomenon is spreading to Dems and liberals, too.

After seven year of the Bushies, taking the country backward would be the biggest leap forward in our history.

Democrats want to take the country backwards to a time when the Bill of Rights was still operative. The GOP would rather score cheap political points to achieve short term power than preserve our democracy and the principles on which it was founded. Which group was it that regularly has its patriotism questioned by the assclowns at Fuxnews and the rest of the"MSM"?

To the Republicans. And they’re nervous that the Democratic candidates will take the country backward.

LOL ... This has to be one of the most humorous comments yet. I mean, just look at us, before bush there were just a few divisions, Canada, America, and South America. Now we have deep divisions even in the states. I lived in South Carolina (you should need a passport to go there) and Then the west, where people still "think". And then there is Texas, where they have all but outlawed Science in the schools.

I feel like puking.

I've solved the mystery of where all these goofy, uneducated, incoherent Fox reporters and commentators come from.

Oral Roberts University has a 'professional' school for 'journalists', similar to the 'Regent Law' school for paralegals.

It's called 'Dregs of Multimedia' school. Hannity 'graduated' last in his class.

As repulsive as Luntz is what struck me was the selected audience. Those people scared me.

Jeez, I haven't seen a hairpiece that bad since John Wayne's rug in THE SHOOTIST!

I've long since passed disappointed and now am wild eyed fuckin angry about the little war criminal in the white house. He has done considerable damage to this nation and it will take at least a decade of principled and intelligent leadership to correct it.

To the Republicans. And they’re nervous that the Democratic candidates will take the country backward.

Yes, why go backward or alter course at all when we can continue to race headlong towards the precipice of the Repigs making.

Shared Humanity @ 69:

To the Republicans. And they’re nervous that the Democratic candidates will take the country backward.

Yes, why go backward or alter course at all when we can continue to race headlong towards the precipice of the Repigs making.

yep..why alter course?when the cliff is dead ahead..

Take the country backwards...so thats why Republicans sought the assistance of the religious right! And another thing I want to point out to this overweight, Hanass Kissing pundit, why don't you walk into a bar full of Americans and tell them their values, ideas, and thoughts are un-American. I am so tired of you overpaid stooges running around telling voters whose un-American, I believe that one day you will pay for those stupid comments. We are sick and tire of this behavior on the part of the media, how about you just tell a good story about saving something other than your favorite presidentail candidate.

"pithy"

yep. that's what it smells like...

"And they’re nervous that the Democratic candidates will take the country backward."
Really, backward huh, news flash moron when your backs against a wall there is no backward to go. sheesh.

frank"the fixer"luntz is like so many rightwing pundits( and more than a few 'journalists' )that tries to help the 'architects' paint a beautiful facade over cracked and fading ruins.i'm sure it was fun to them for a while, but now, it looks a little grim, because some of us without a degree in 'spin' decided to go 'round back and see how much structural damage was done. we are not getting what we paid for and what we're owed, and boy, are some of us PISSED! i'm tired of watching the party that pushed and bullied its way to the front, then looted so much of what was wrongly entrusted to it look for ways to 'scramble', 'redeem', 'recover', 'leave', 'escape', 'resign,'and all the other little things they specialize in to avoid assuming responsibility for our predicament or even saying"i made a huge mistake." that indicates that they are in way over their heads and it is time for a thorough change.

Well, I certainly learned a lot from this clip. I learned that Fred Thompson has passion. I learned that Republicans love torture. I learned that a suspect or detainee in U.S. custody is presumed guilty and thus it's ok to torture him. I learned that I am even more hopeful than before about the 2008 election.

He is Frank "Putz" and he shall always, always be Frank "Putz".

This is another clown that these people are paying a lot of money to sit and play games with us.

Someone told him that he really comes across to viewers as honest and truthful so they hired him.

I hope he reads crooks and liars and understands it is just not working.

Well I think if a liberal wanted to make a backwards clueless barbarian caricatures of republicans they wouldn't really well have to do anything actually. Thats really sad.

I'm just happy I'm not the only one talking about Luntz and Fox News and Unscientific Polling.

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