Open Thread
By bluegal Thursday Dec 27, 2007 10:30pmAll the blogosphere loves a celebration, especially when it's a book launch party! Congratulations to celebrated author Jonah Goldberg on his new book, Liberal Fascism: The Secret History of the American Left, From Mussolini to the Politics of Meaning.
In tonight's open thread below, please be the most civil and articulate liberal fascist you can be.
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Heh. The Google bomb is da bomb :)
Fascist? Frist!
Lol, they're pointing fingers with 3 pointing right back. We're obviously fascist with our opposition to preemptive war, mistrust of political secrecy, and love of civil liberties.
I myself am a facist. I'm a sucker for a pretty face. Is there something wrong with that?
Could there be anything more fascist than alleging equivalence to a mass of jism or spunk? I think not!
I don't know about fascism but power does corrupt even the most honest man. We should get our precious checks and balances fixed in this country before we do anything else. So many checks and balances are missing that anyone in the presidency will become corrupt.
Jim H @ 4:
Only that your missing out on a lot of fun...
Liberal fascist is an oxymoron, like jumbo shrimp or military intelligence!
ummm....before you are able to write and publish a book, shouldnt you own at least one dictionary and one book on world history?
the wingnuts have taken the word fascist and perverted it to their own uses
and ya, jonah is both a fucktard and an asshat
Bombs away!
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I would say his book is total projection..liberal fascist what a bunch of unmitigated horse shit.
Where did
Goldbergfuckwad learn this piece of historical revisionism, was he home schooled?Anyone else relieved that Edwards is FINALLY surging in the polls? I sure am, I was getting worried there. But thankfully Obama has flatlined, and the Clinton Dysnasty is tanking. Looks like it's finally coming together.
From a pretty good new speech today (least you can't say he's mincing words), if anyone was interested or missed it:
*SIGH* Really... who cares any more? This is just more of the same from the rightwingnut circle-jerk club. They haven't had an original thought since their brains fused as babies. At first, this stuff was really funny, then it was simply amusing, now it's just boring as hell. Just like their Antichrist they worship, the Great Bushmoron. None of them are relevant. They are all pathetically trying hard to have the World notice them and worship at their feet, when all they really deserve is to be flushed down the great toilet bowl of failure with the rest of the refuse.
Someone... just pull the damned chain and get it over with! Please!!
IMHO, restoring some sanity into the National discourse (or I should say: starting a sane National discourse) would be a great way to get America moving forward for a change.
swarmofkillermonkeys @ 13:
That's the best speech I've heard in a while.
Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaa the righties are call me names...waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.
What's scary is that he thinks he's talking about Clinton, who is Republican-lite more than anything. GOP without the sexual hangups.
Some pretty pictures:
http://freewayblogger.blogspot.com/2007/12/end-of-world-as-we-know-it.html
Sadly, I am kicking your asses.
jah vol . minen herin
lafin gas @ 8:
Didn't Rush Limbaugh get his housekeeper to make his oxymoron buys for him?
In tonight’s open thread below, please be the most civil and articulate liberal fascist you can be.
Can't. It's secret.
wonder what Jonah thinks about ol'
J. Edgar and his secret plans in the early 50',
roundin' up all the people that are "a threat",
not too fascist there....
if 'they' only knew J. Edgar was dressed up in his secret
girlie clothes while planing to shred the constitution....
Doughy Pantload thinks I'm a fascist. So whats he, a space monkey that needs potty training?
Heil unseren Gauleiter(innen) - Goldberg, Malkin, Kristol, O'Reilly, Coulter, Klo, Podehertz, Limbaugh, Rove, Perle, Wolfowitz, Reynolds, Drudge, und andere
how dare any of you criticise or critique any of the democrat party candidates or their campaigns in any way shape or form? our ony hope to crush the republican menace that has corrupted the very essence of our country and even now reaches its' hoary hands out towards our own children is to unite in total lockstep that we may put a democrat in the white house. any democrat! hillary, obama, edwards, kucinich, dodd, biden, richardson, or gravel, it doesn't matter who. if they don't measure up we can force them to comply later.
join up now or forever shut your yap. you're either with us or against us.
stand up now and be a *real* democrat.
Freedoms? What freedoms??
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sassafra @ 25:
Well, er:
it cant be helped if your constipated youll be straining mightily!
I don't think this book will be a best seller. He titled it wrong. Neocons don't like liberals and most probably have no clue what the definition of fascism is.
lafin gas @ 8:
Haha, so so true! So true!
Seriously... Liberal Fascism is just about the most insane term anyone could have cooked up.
I mean, what's next, are they going to say Right Wing Communist? Cause last I checked that doesn't happen either. Good grief, whatever happened to screaming "Socialist" at us? At least that made a vague form of sense. (*polishes his hammer and sickle medallion*)
I'm amazed how words can have their meaning sucked out of them, like a parasite relieving its victim of life.
Call me a pedant, but the semantics matters. There's no useful discourse if we can't agree on the meaning of words.
Sit on it Johan!! It will stop you from writing such crap in the future.
California Über Alles!
Zen fascists will control you
100% natural
You will jog for the master race
And always wear the happy face
Close your eyes, can't happen here
Big Bro' on white horse is near
The hippies won't come back you say
Mellow out or you will pay
Mellow out or you will pay!
(Where'd you think Jonah
stolegot the idea to use the "happy-face" on the cover of his book?)sassafra @ 25:
Hillary is a Rethug in Dem clothing. There would be more change under Ron Paul than Hillary.
I'd have to say I disagree with that Greg. I'm not a fan of Hillary by ANY stretch; but Ron Paul is only slightly better than the rest of his field. Basically the ONLY issue he's correct on seems to be the Iraq war.
I'm still pulling for Kucinich or Dodd though; those are the guys who'd REALLY do this country good.
Has anyone seen Coulter lately? Is it possible that she's had a sex change and reappeared to launch this book? ;)
Doughbob Loadpants took five years for this?
Jesus H. Christ on a Popsicle stick! New resolution for me: two books and a play finished by the end of next year.
All of them fiction, and all of them a damn sight more accurate than any of this wasted wood pulp!
So if I call him a Commie, that's a complement?
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This book is obviously a lie and waste of time. They just accuse their opponents as being the thing that they are.. On the other hand a New York Times Bestselling Author just came out with a new book called "The Shell Game"
It is by Steve Alten. A real Political Thriller. In the style of Robert Baer and Syriana. Peace.
miss_kitty @ 10:
I love it when the British swear.
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Japan is forced to apologize for infecting thousands of women with Hep C. Will comfort women be next? Home sales still suck.
Is another recession next? Watch what you eat. It's the economy,
stupid. People die of tainted milk of all things in Massachusetts.
Arnie's latest health care solution.
Jonah will always be a hybrid of the stay puff marshmallow man and the pillsbury dough boy
Greg @ 15:
I have conservative ideas myself. I am monogamous, balance my checkbook and generally believe the government should live within it's means. I have libertarian ideas - such as favoring drug legalization. So I think I have a pretty fair grasp of those concepts.
If I were actually a conservative, the present regime would have driven me batshit crazy by now.
The deficit spending of this administration has so devalued the dollar (Gold hit a low of $250 an ounce during the Clinton administration - it is now bouncing around $800 an ounce - headed for $1000. Gold is money - paper is not.) that the Chinese can throw us into a depression at any time of their choosing -simply by dumping dollars. I have heard sage commentary that this will never happen - it would not be in the Chinese interest. Makes me want to pull my hair out. Remember Taiwan? Remember Clinton sending the fleet to stop Chinese missiles being lobbed over same? Wouldn't dumping dollars be a lot safer and cheaper than WWIII?
Wait until the Olympics are over. There will be no serious boat-rocking until they are concluded (most westerners have no idea what "face" means - much less how important it is to the Beijing government, and what a big hairy deal the Olympics are there.). Afterwards, hang on to your hat! Things are gonna get very interesting. Remember you read it here first.
Where are the conservative protests against the fact that all our communications are currently monitored? Against the destruction of our military? Against the shredding of our constitution and the assumption of dictatorial powers by Cheney and Bush. They should be our biggest allies against this fascist regime!
Either the conservative movement in this country is completely dead or never actually really existed!
In the future, when I hear someone describe themselves as conservative, I'm gonna ask them who they voted for in 04. If they say Bush, I'm gonna laugh in their face.
The U.S. is thinking of intervening in the investigation of Bhutto's death. Isn't that special?
Daniel @ 31:
Of course they do! That's why the actual fascists devalue the word as much as possible by using it to label us. Savage does it all the time. When truth is on the other side - if you have no scruples at all - spread as much confusion as possible.
Trittydi @ 40:
I'm certain this book will be as well reasoned and rational as Herr Goldberg's columns in the LA Times
Big E @ 22:
Like Rudy Giuliani?
This book has to be a joke, in the line with limpydic, loofahboy and manann.
It appears the comments are more interesting than the book.
Finally the repugs ran out of bs. This is just the thing repugs get off on.
Ok, we pay our
tithestaxes for the government to live in the lap of luxury, to make wars and to be ignorant as hell.Liberal Fascism:
repairing infrastructure
the best universal healthcare
peace and harmony
Right. So we can only assume that Jonah alone is possessed of the incisive intellect to have resisted the seductive siren song of socialist sensibilities, peddled by the fascist femme fatales hiding in faculty rooms across America. That he recognizes dress codes and school uniforms as nothing less than the sartorial descendents of the Hitler Youth and the Brownshirts.
But why is it, then, that one of the most liberal cities in America, San Francisco, can't have trains that run on time? Hitler did it; why can't Gavin Newsom and Chris Daly?
Civil Liberal Fascism.
In the above list, pick the word that does not belong.
A. Civil
B. Liberal
C. Fascim
If you picked A congratulations, you have automatically been registered a as a Republican and may be eligible to host a talk show on Fox.
If you picked B you already work for the Bush Administration.
If you picked C you have apparently figured out by now that your country has been taken over by the most misdirected, ambitious, greedy thugs we have ever seen. Not just in the Administration but also in the Courts, the Congress, the Media and Big Business.
This personality test and your responses have been recorded.
Mussolini's talk of his desire to crush socialism under his boot pretty much proves that he was far from being a liberal.
miss_kitty @ 10:
There, that will help.
Now for your enjoyment, this was posted over at Something Awful.com in the photoshop phriday thread:
http://i9.tinypic.com/6u4csv6.jpg
I'm sad to report that the use of the word "fascism", bandied around helter-skelter to attack liberals, is not a unique American project. Right-wing autocrats from all over the world (well, talking of Europe here) have made the same projection.
So you can't even say Jonah is original, even for a conservative...
Hillary used to talk about a "vast right wing conspiracy," which at the time I assumed to be a paranoid delusion on her part. But today I can actually imagine Rush, Michelle, Laura, Bill, et al. having weekly confabs (perhaps by internet link-up) and, with input from Frank ("Words that Work") Luntz, of course, dream up these silly conundra, which lafin gas rightfully characterizes as "oxymoronic." (I would cavil with lafin about his other examples, since at least some military intelligence is often on the mark, and "jumbo" with reference to shrimp is argot or cant for a particular size of the shellfish, and also since I think, with a bit of thought, better oxymoronic examples might be found, e.g. "compassionate conservatism.")
In any case, and before I digress into oblivion, I would suggest that the reason these geeks come up with such gobbledygook is because they know they can get away with it. Goebbels did. A lie told often enough is eventually believed or accepted as truth. One imagines Luntz, in particular, reading Orwell and thinking "It's a beautiful thing, the destruction of words." There is a long history of newspeak in right wing propaganda. One thinks, for example, of the anti-abortion gang with their "right to life" (as if those in favor of legal abortions supported death). Thankfully, the people at Planned Parenthood, N.O.W., and other groups came up with newspeak of their own: "freedom of choice." If one cannot beat an enemy, join them.
It goes without saying that liberalism is inimical to fascist thinking. As lafin would point out, liberalism is the very opposite of fascism. Inspired by one of my heroes, Gore Vidal, I've taken to calling the Jonah Goldbergs of this world "crypto-fascists." (I think I first heard the expression during the memorable convention booth spat between Vidal and Buckley, which included a fey threat from Wild Bill to "sock you in the face and you'll stay plastered." He also called Vidal a "queer" -- this was on network TV mind you -- but that is besides the point.)
Goldberg's title is intriguing. Just how does the man trace the roots of the so-called "American left" from Benito Mussolini? George Bush, Dick Cheney, and Rudy Giuliana have much more in common with Il Duce than anyone on the left. A liberal would not suspend habeas corpus. A liberal would not tap the phones of American citizens, monitor the books they check out at public libraries, and keep records of what foreign countries they visit, how long they're gone and so forth. A liberal would not invade another country unilaterally without U.N. support and something a bit more universal than a so-called "Coalition of the Willing."
If we put the shoe on the other foot, we come up with equally absurd book titles like, Conservative Marxism: The Secret History of the American Right, From Stalin to the Politics of Disassembly. (Yeah, I know, it's "dissembly," but Bush said "disassembly" with reference to terrorists; after all, he is the Grand Champion Malapropist.) But you get the idea. Lafin also wonders aloud if ol' Lush Rambo put his housekeeper up to going out for multiple scripts for "oxymoron." No, no, no, lafin! That wasn't oxymoron he sent out for, it was Oxy Permian. He was just buying some equities.
Liberal Fascism: The Secret History of the American Left, From Mussolini to the Politics of Meaning.
Jeez, and I thought Mussolini was an Italian
After looking at the comments on Amazon i am wondering if this isn't the begining of the much more serious war on liberals and leftists i have been worried about. The pundits on the right don't have to know what they are talking about to make people believe them, all they have to do is quote, repeat the quote, berate the guests and come to work day in and day out.
"...Nazis declared war on smoking..."
Ok, they got something right (and i smoke, i just wish i had never been brainwashed into trying it.)
Not even sure the statement is true, not sure the book has any facts.
Maddy @ 11:
It is projection. I doubt if this stupid bastard even knows what the term fascist means.
JJohnson @ 30:
The neocons are country club communists. The way they rule, with no regard for any of their people outside of their immediate party cronies, is very similar to the old Soviet and Eastern European leaders. Secretive, pathological liars, with no humanity or decency what so-ever.
They were obsessed with the goal of enabling their party cronies to gain control over every facet of the Orwellean state they created. And they spent all of their remaining time trying to control vast portions of the world through war and aggression, until it bankrupted them out of existence. Sound familiar?
Liberal fascist=promiscuous virgin.
Contradiction in terms. Well beyond an oxymoron.
Just like publishing a secret.
There really is a sucker born every minute.
re: "Pakistan: Al Qieda behind Bhutto killing"
Awfully convenient that the very terrorist organization, the one which Musharraf can't seem to kick out of his country, has developed a habit of killing his political opponents instead of him. So the age-old tenet resurfaces: "who ultimately benefits?"
The power vaccuum after Musharraf, which Bhutto might've played a part in filling, is now wide open. Totalitarian politics, as nature, abhors a vaccuum. And I'm sure Musharraf will return to fill the void perfectly, to absolutely noone's suprise.
Any competing theories? Xoites? Miss Kitty? Who else is in the house tonight? Where's Stanley?
I must be a liberal fascist:
I was just going to link a specific post, but it's all "crazy talk"
http://mwangangi.blogspot.com
Understanding Liberal fascism is not easy; it is a very complex concept. It can be interpreted positively and negatively, depending on the person explaining the concept. Let's not accept definitions but rather, try to understand liberal fascism ourselves, and in the process, do our own interpretation.
Was the NYT/Kos/HuffPo smear campaign the first counter shot of the Revolution?
lafin gas @ 8:
I love Carlin!
Achtung!! Achtung!!! Sieg, sieg, sieg. Heil Garcia.
(That fucker has always been a dumm ass.)
lafin gas @ 8:
Don't forget Dodge RAM. LOL
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jen_chan, writer surefirewealth.com @ 64:
What are you talking about? There is nothing to understand besides the fact that this book is pure projection and an attemt to hijack language and meaning. How will Americans be wary of Fascism when fuckwads like Goldberg helps the true Fascists muddy the water and confuse people?
Daniel said it very well:
Daniel @ 31:
JJohnson @ 30:
Right wing communist may sound like an oxymoron but, look at the people's republic of china.
A depression is coming. Better get prepared.
Here's a news storie to choke on. A group of four robbers who knew what they were doing broke into a nuke facility in South Africa. The got all the way into the facility where the uranium is kept and escaped. Neither South African officials or the report would confirm if uranium was stolen or how much. There was enough weapons grade uranium in the facility to make 25 nukes.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/12/19/AR200712...
With all the fear mongering and wars being fought to prevent nukes from getting into the wrong hands, a group of people 17-28 yo (not muslims) broke in under the world's noses and made off with the mother load.
Calling FDR a fascist is as absurd as calling Sammy Davis Jr. a Klan member.
foolme1ns @ 71:
No no no fool me. I just spoke with my financial adviser at the local credit union and she's sure everything is hunky dory.
When you hear from CNBC that Bank of America is going to stop serving soup in their cafeteria, or worse, stop supplying soap in their bathrooms, then you know the shit has hit the fan. Citibank is preparing to cut 16,000 to 32,000 jobs. But not to worry, the CEO's and the CFO's who made the horrible terrible investments in crap loans will be getting their bonuses and get to keep their golden parachutes.
I'm telling you, a depression is coming, and you had better get prepared. If anyone has any ideas, I'm open to them.
The books keep piling up in the shithouses of the rightwingers who are the only ones purchasing this drivel. They'll never have to buy Charmin again. The Sears catalog has been spared.
I noticed that Jonah's bio says "He is the 2001 winner of the prestigious Lowell Thomas Award. "
He doesn't mention that this Lowell Thomas Award (not to be confused with other similarly named awards) comes from the IPA (International Platform Association) an (ex?) public speaking organization.
It seems the Goldberg's award may have killed the organization. The last mentions I can find of it are from 2001 here and here. In fact the web address given in the above link, International Platform Association, is available for sale.
If you look the two web links above it appears that the organization was taken over by right wing speakers and then collapsed. A shame, because reportedly The IPA was founded in 1831 by Daniel Webster and is the oldest free-speech organization in the country. It seems at one time they were somewhat respected, with people like Lyndon Johnson making speeches to them.
curtilingus @ 72:
Groundwork for sumthin special, ...false flag anyone?
ralph @ 70:
Well, just for the record, I was speaking of true Marxist communism. Marxist communism is definitely a thing of the left (and something I rather favor in many ways - I hardly think its perfect; but I think it has some great ideas); and the right has always fought it tooth and nail.
China, just like the Soviet Union before it, and North Korea, were/are Fascist by definition.
I mean they have all the qualifying characteristics.
A) Scapegoating (of several types, religious, ethnic, and class based)
B) Corporatism (Sure, the corporations are all run by the state; but then the Nazis and Mussolini's groups both nationalized a great deal of business as well) - in the end, making the product comes before the people.
C) The people in power try to develop a cult of personality. (Stalin, Lenin, Mao, Kim)
D) There are no rights - free speech is abandoned, the rule of law is second to the rule of the powerful. Punishments are harsh, even for somewhat minor crimes.
I could keep going...
You can CALL yourself whatever you like; but facts bear things out a little differently ya know? "Communist" China isn't Communist anymore than Liberals can be Fascists.
I'll add - true conservatives can't be fascists either - they're fundementally different ideologies. That's part of what I find so dangerous about the modern 'conservative' movement. They don't even understand their own ideology (that is, a preference for the familiar, tradition, and fiscal responsibility; an emphasis on the individual's responsibility etc...)
I may not AGREE with traditional conservatism on... well... hardly any points; but I can see clearly that THAT ideology, and the ideology of the modern Neocon are quite far removed.
Sorry for that; I know you didn't mean to offend, and no offense was taken; but I wanted to explain a little better.
That's just HOW wrong Mr. Goldberg is. He can't even figure out what HE is. I honestly wonder if wearing a Swastika armband would even clue him in. *sigh*
Rollo Tomassi @ 76:
Does anyone know the facts yet though?
I mean; from what I've been able to find out was... well simply that Bhutto's car was attacked with a bomb.
That's... it.
And we know that Musharraf is blaming Al-Qaeda (possible, but I find it unlikely - if they did they're going to have a hell of a lot of angry Pakistani's after them just after they gut Musharaff) - but beyond that we don't know much; except possible conspiracy theories.
I bet they'll be a story on it today though. (C&L last I checked doesn't exactly have reporters to actually see this stuff first hand ya know? They gotta wait till some info comes out so they can share it with us.)
Do YOU know the "real" story? What makes you think empty suits in the MSM know anything?
And stop shouting, it just makes you look like a loon.
Whose nukes will go off first? Pakimistan's or South Africa's?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/12/19/AR200712...
Very interesting story and almost as important as Britney's little sis being pregnant.
"Liberal Fascism"? "Radical Conservatism"? Yes, and Hot Cold. This is sloganeering for imbeciles.
myiq2xu @ 82:
This is the sound a loon makes.
http://www.mbr-pwrc.usgs.gov/id/htmwav2/h0070sh.mp3
myiq2xu @ 73:
FDR isued an executive
order for all Americans to turn in their gold.
he even gave authorisation for safe deposit boxes to be opened and all gold to be taken into federal "custody".
Weren't we liberal anarchists last week?
Someday. Government of the People, by the People, for the People.
Your alternative? Corporate authoritarianism, aka....
Who would front more failed writings for the likes of another 2003 Bush league cheerleader like J.Goldberg? By chance would it be the same in-house NeoPublishers paying Karl Rove in Bush bucks?
sassafra @ 25:
Sorry, I'm a *real* American first. While I'll never vote for a Republican ever again that doesn't mean I have to vote for a Democrat! And sure as hell not for a corporate toadie. As for "we can force them to comply later"; yeah right like that's going to happen!! Have you been in a cave the past 7 years?
Goldberg's smarmy musings are offensive on so many levels. Devoid of military experience, he cheerleads for war from the comfort of his word processor. Cherry picking history as well as current events, he strains credulity way past the breaking point in order to sound pithy and cute about gravely important matters. In the finest neoconservative tradition, he insults and questions the bona fides of war heroes like Jim Webb or John Kerry simply because he disagrees with them. Furthermore, he is just plain wrong in his bizarre analogies.
Goldberg’s analyses would be laughable if he chose less somber subjects. I’m no Republican, but when the MSM wants to publish pronouncements from the right about history and war, why not look to generals and veterans who seriously consider these subjects, such as Colin Powell, Chuck Hagel and so many others. Frankly, I think Jonah suffers from an overindulgence in potty training by his mommy.
If you want a really good fiction read, that tells the TRUTH about American politics, MSM, religion, sex, etc., read Richard North Patterson's 'The Race'. Just published.
milquetoast @ 86:
Can't say I know of that gold issue, but weren't the coup plans against FDR intended to replace him with a rulership modeled after Italy/Germany at that time? You know, Fascism. According to some stories with the assistance of business leaders and bankers, some more famed than others.
So calling FDR fascist, might be another try at burying the coup, or excusing it.
As for the gold, most of the world went by the gold standard back then, where the governments were "forced" to keep enough gold available to cover all the paper money they issued. It would most likely be directly linked to that.
hmmmmmmmmm?........
Terrible @ 90:
*Cough*
Terrible,
"please be the most civil and articulate liberal fascist you can be"
some jump the gun way to early
Why are these retarded NeoCON Corporate Whoremasters always trying to define their opposition? It is kinda like getting fired from your job every day for a year for not adequately doing your job, and then blaming your bosses. It's beyond comprehension.
sassafra @ 25:
I hope you had a shoe in your hand and was pounding on the desk as you typed your comment
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071229/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq
Firstly, I will never buy a book with a picture of a defaced smiley on the cover, and secondly, I refuse to even read anything about, never mind written by Goldberg, since his mother conspired with Linda Tripp to set the stage for the republican impeachment of Clinton.
As a Canadian liberal, I don't care what anybody wants to call me that they think is degrading, because when I look at what I try and stand for and what they represent, the complainers tend to be complainers with little minds, little stature and little care for anyone but themselves.
75% of Al-Quida is gone from Iraq!!
Yeah! 25% more and we are back to the orginial amount in Iraq before the war.
Progress!
Here are the facts on the Bhutto assassination:
She was shot in the neck and chest.
The gun man killed himself with a bomb.
Bhutto hit her head on one of the handles of the sun roof in the car she was in when the bomb exploded.
She died as a result of the scull fracture from the handle of the sun roof.
Yeah, right!
The end of phony wedge issues for the GOP?
"But I'm really hearing this election, a lot less insistence on certain issues for the candidate in order to win the vote. I was chatting with a young woman who is religiously conservative, in the past she said all it took was a pro-life stance and a anti-gay marriage stance and that's really all the thinking she needed to do and this year, it sort of struck her these things had really nothing to do with running the country."
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/politics/july-dec07/polls_12-26.html at about 7:12 into the recording.
Just think, if Lucianne didn't spit, Jonah could be LBJ's kid!
As I've said before, I'm tired of the republicant war on reality. Anything about the world that doesnt conform to their preconcieved standards and they try to rewrite it, so liberals are commies and fascists and they are good little boys and girls who always do whats right and are always picked on. These people give the name pathetic loser a bad name.
Say it with me, Jonah: "Communist/Left, Fascist/Right. Communist/Left, Fascist/Right. Communist/Left, Fascist/Right." The Communists were the only serious opposition to the Nazis and Fascists. Read Reich's "Mass Psychology of Fascism" for details.
Mad magazine's going to publish an in-depth analysis of 'Compassionate Conservatism', and it's effect on the yacht-builders and private-plane customizers of the world,
sassafra @ 25:
Ever hear of the CFR?
Most of the people you mention are CFR people. THAT is a large part of the problem.
For another view, take a look at this: http://www.alternet.org/stories/71881/
Jonah Goldberg is a chickenhawking, warmongering, logic-lacking, keyboard-wanking, mom-fixated douchebag.
How's that for "articulate"? I don't feel very "civil" when he's the topic.
Not very Quakerly, but oh well.
Herman Goebbels no doubt will attend and toast Americas keyboard general.
When the Libruls take over the US Gov'mint, we ain't gwine shrink-wrap are cash no more, we gwine leave it loosy-goosy an' make 'cash-drop runs' with AF-1, over N'Awlins, Baghdad, Teheran. An' when we run outta cash, we jus' gon' make more 'cash-pick-up runs' to Beijing.
We ain' gone f**k with dip-lo-macy, we gone bribe folks to do things are way, when that don work, we nuke 'em.
Pretty soon, all the po' folks left alive will see things are way, an' 'god'll' be proud o' what we done.
Amens, Hallelujahs. Look out hebben, here we's come.
Rollo Tomassi @ 76:
right after they tell you the truth on 911! good luck!
sassafra @ 25:
ROFLMFAO
sassafra @ 25:
change one word and it sounds just like Bill'O
lafin gas @ 8:
How about “compassionate conservative”?
I've been following this at S,N! for the past week or so, as they've been covering it the most. This pile of crap to come out of Jonah's ass is high hilarity. One person suggested replacing every instance of "liberal" and "fascist" in that book with "poopy head", and it becomes obvious that he's just smearing anyone he hates.
Woohoo! My comment comes up on the first link. ^_^
This liberal fascist doesn't like to read this "stuff" before coffee.
I guess Jonah knows "Fascist" when he writes about 'em!
I thought corporate control of government was inherent in any fascism, yet the right seems to have redefined the word to simply be a synonym for "totalitarianism" or "Orwellianism".
The right suggests that scientists who warn of global warming are socialists out to destroy the capitalist system of Porsches and big houses *and* that scientists who warn of global warming are greedheads just after grant money so they can buy Porsches and big houses...
The right suggests that liberals are fascists who want to eliminate all individual rights, *and* that liberals are hedonists who want to live in morally relativist anarchy where anything is permitted, from aborting your toddler to having sex with a box turtle...
Well, I guess when you can profess belief in the preposterous contradictions and absurdities of Christianity, I guess you'll believe anything...
Make Fox Pay for it's Huge Gamble...
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/18165
milquetoast @ 86:
Let's be clear about this: Authoritarianism does not equal Fascism.
As pointed out on this thread before, and in one of the blog articles linked, important elements of Fascism are corporatism and the privatisation of the state (Jonah fails to mention that Mussolini was also very keen on this). Interestingly, also anti-communism. Stalin and Mao may have been Authoritarian, but not Fascist, by definition.
If you'll notice the examples he uses ("the Nazis banned smoking" etc), it is this distinction, between Authoritarianism and Fascism that the Right would like to muddy. This, because the definition of Fascism is not cut and dry.
What scares me is that the recent resurgence of Corporatism (Haliburton, Blackwater, need I say more?) and our losses of civil liberties, is exactly the kind of thing that makes me worried that real Fascistic tendencies are on the up. Any book on the subject has to begin by tackling the question of the meaning of "Fascism". I wonder if, and how, "Liberal Fascism" will go about that.
As the Wikipedia entry points out so well,
Jonah means to use it as an epithet, yet pretends he's being objective. How disingenuous. How disgustingly dishonest (intellectually).
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5iZyTD-nJ-xU78lYxZMfUmD9flWWAD8TQN56G0 Australian David Hick has been released from prison.......this is the guy who plead guilty to aiding the Taliban in Afghanistan............this is a real threat............sheesh.
Norse @ 93:
here is a quite comprehensive movie about money/history of money...
MONEYMASTERS
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7336845760512239683
Talcott @ 121:
Ron Paul is a nut.
milquetoast @ 86:
He did this in 1933 when the dollar collapsed and couldn't be backed up by gold reserves. Then FDR and Truman reinstituted the gold standard with the Bretton Woods agreement, and when that collapsed in the early 70's, Nixon also issued an executive order for all Americans to turn in their gold and silver.
Since then, every major country in the world got off the gold standard because the BW agreement was pretty much the core for the global economy for the gold standard. The only country that had its currency backed (partially) by gold was the Swiss Franc. However, with the Nazi gold scandal, they went to pure fiat in 2000.
ConcernedCanuck @ 125:
Hmm...so cogent please continue.
Blue Buddha @ 126:
Yes he did. ...thereby adding insult to injury, to any Americans who were smart enough to convert their worthless paper into coin!
Some laughs in this guy's wiki bio. Obviously a waste of carbon based life form.
"Goldberg graduated from Goucher College in 1991. His was the first class at Goucher to admit men."
"Goldberg has spoken of his mother and the Lewinsky scandal:
"My mother was the one who advised Linda Tripp to record her conversations with Monica Lewinsky and to save the dress. I was privy to some of that stuff, and when the administration set about to destroy Lewinsky, Tripp, and my mom, I defended my mom and by extension Tripp...I have zero desire to have those arguments again. I did my bit in the trenches of Clinton's trousers." [5]
His book Liberal Fascism: The Totalitarian Temptation: The Secret History of the American Left, From Mussolini to the Politics of Meaning has undergone a number of subtitle revisions. Previous subtitles include: "The Totalitarian Temptation From Hegel to Whole Foods and "The Totalitarian Temptation From Mussolini to Hillary Clinton (ISBN 0385511841, due December 2007).
"Goldberg has referred to liberal commentator Keith Olbermann as "MSNBC’s answer to a question no one asked."[21]
I'm not a fascist liberal, I'm a liberal Fascist.
Bigggggg difference!
charles @ 129:
So THIS is the reason this fucking twit appears in my local paper repeatedly, on a weekly basis?
What the FUCK are those editors THINKING?
I've almost completely given up on any corporate enterprise. The local paper, with over a hundred and fifty year tradition of local ownership, fell victim to buyout to some media conglomerate, and since then Goldberg appears at least twice a week in a prominent column, peddling his fantasy to whomever can stomach his musings.
Conyers does NOT care about Wexler’s Petition to start Cheney impeachment hearings!
Read the transcript from Democracy Now.
http://willyloman.wordpress.com/2007/12/22/from-democracy-now-interview-...
He will NOT allow impeachment hearings to take place.
Conyers knows that Pelosi will undercut the efforts of impeachment rather than helping to build a bi-partisan coalition to impeach.
Conyers knows that Pelosi will again be Speaker of the House next year and she will take him off the Judiciary Committee if he goes against her wishes. It’s a “lose-lose” for him and impeachment.
Let’s help him and the rest of the members of the House of Representatives by removing an obstructionist Speaker. It can be done and must be done to start the impeachment process.
http://www.petitiononline.com/everyman/petition.html
Thank god for "liberal fascists" like us, despite what modern day Philistines like Jonah say.
Without us, the putrid swill from lying swine like him would go unchallenged.
milquetoast @ 124:
hmm, seen half it now.
Seems interesting, especially the part of causing the '29 crash, and all the high and mighty got out early enough. They are a bit generic on lumping socialism and communism together though, and I found the senator quotes from 1931, where they refer to "World War 1" instead of "The Great War" as it was known as back then, very odd, and not reliable.
Norse @ 93:
You are correct. Despite Time Magazine's claim that it was a "Plot Without Plotters", as the introduction states in War Is A Racket, there was indeed a "Wall Street Plot to Seize the Government" in 1934 by American Legion leaders and reputable Wall Street financiers, one being a major attorney for J.P. Morgan & Co. These businessmen needed someone to lead the overthrow of the government in order to install the first American fascist dictatorship. The sought the aid of Brigadier General Smedley D. Butler. But Butler turned the tables on them by revealing the plot to the press and in testimony in front of a Congressional committee. But the press, including the New York Times, tried to suppress and distort what Butler had done.
Two books have revealed the actual circumstances of what had transpired. The Plot to Seize the White House, written by Jules Archer in 1973 and now out of print and the book 1000 Americans written in 1947 by the late, great journalist George Seldes. The History Channel also did a program on this topic, which is available on videotape, entitled The Plot to Overthrow FDR.
ekwhite @ 48:
#16 with a bullet!!!
Norse @ 133:
Damn! Someone was payin' attention when they read Encyclopedia Brown!
Nice catch, Norse!
Erroll @ 134:
yeah, right, erroll. i suppose next you're going to tell us bush's grandfather, prescott bush, was part of the 1934 american fascist coup attempt, and that prescott bush made his fortune dealing with nazis during ww2, and that fdr subsequently froze his assets using the "trading with the enemy act" (and as payback for the attempt to overthrow him).
do you really expect us to believe any of this stuff?
#136-ROM Spaceknight
Would the expression "truth is stranger than fiction" be applicable in this case?
Andy K @ 135:
I tend to shuffle through life, but can pay attention when I want to.
With regards to IMF and international banking, I believe Brazil and another country in South America paid off their entire debt this year, leading to a poor christmas party in IMF, due to loss of interest :)
Interestingly enough, one of the most efficient ways to help developing countries is to give out cheap microloans(5000-10000 USD), which is repaid on the average of 99,7%, as opposed to "normal" loans in the western world, which carries higher rate of loss, but also a very much higher interest.
"Whenever the people are well-informed, they can be trusted with their own government;... whenever things get so far wrong as to attract their notice, they may be relied on to set them to rights." --Thomas Jefferson to Richard Price, 1789. ME 7:253
Norse @ 138:
Ya know that if Brazil and that other South American country were payin' off those sub-prime mortgages early, they'd be payin' some penalties.
As to the inaccuracies in videos like that, I saw one related to 9/11(the vid that Randi Rhodes was linking to a coupla years back) that stated a B-52 hit the Empire State Building in '46. I couldn't help but laughing. It was a twin-prop B-25. The B-52 wasn't even on the drawing board at the time.
Time to go to my nephew's B-day party. So long!
Norse @ 133:
Glad yer watchin'it!
Yeah... money/gold...history of...what a fiat currency is ect...ect...is a very big concept that I never learned in school...
I grew up thinking the federal reserve was federal till a couple yrs ago
after learning about money recently...to me... its not communism or fascism...left right...repiglikkin/dreamocrap anymore...
Its the haves vs. have nots
p.s. dont forget to watch part one!
myiq2xu @ 74:
Whaddayou talking? Sammy joined a Klan Temple.
miss_kitty @ 10:
Is that like Atheistic Religionism?
Every 'Open Thread' needs a needle and a knot.
Here's the needle:
George Bush is really sharp! Here's the NOT!!!!
Talcott @ 128:
Have you not had enough of Republican rule yet?
Shoeless HillBilly @ 57:
Sad, aint it? The dumbing down of America starts with whats fed to the public by the Reichwing
Preacher Boob @ 146:
Cute. Should of been required instruction in grades K thru 5.
odanny @ 150:
I like to stretch. I teach pre-school.
katsiskats @ 61:
There are plenty of "promiscuous virgin[s]." They are called chickenheads.
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