Dennis Kucinich Slams ABC For Exclusion From Debate
By Nicole Belle Saturday Jan 05, 2008 6:01pm
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Democratic presidential contender Dennis Kucinich takes ABC to task for excluding him from last night's debate. He and wife Elizabeth and their supporters marched outside of the debate forum in protest. WMUR:
Kucinich argued that ABC is violating equal-time provisions by keeping him out of the debate and noted that ABC's parent Walt Disney Co. had contributed to campaigns involving the four Democrats who were invited.
"ABC should not be the first primary," the Ohio congressman said in papers filed at the Federal Communications Commission.
ABC said the candidates left out of the debates failed to meet benchmarks for their support that were outlined to each campaign prior to the Iowa caucus.
WMUR did give Kucinich some airtime to speak to his platform after the debate.
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ABC is about a reputable as Fox News in my eyes.
D to the Izzle @ 1:
MSM in general is all the same. A few brightspots like Keith O. are the exeption to the rule.
Paid reporters, planted reporters, fake reporters
taking orders
Let me help you understanda
Rubber stamped media propaganda
Mislead the people, mislead the sheeple
-Wackiavelli
Paid reporters, planted reporters, fake reporters
taking orders
Let me help you understanda
Rubber stamped media propaganda
Mislead the people, mislead the sheeple
-Wackiavelli
Please forgive the duplicate post.
Ron Paul on Bill Moyers on PBS now.
Excluding Kucinich is wrong.
Period.
Wrong.
Fucking wrong.
Wrong.
"ABC said the candidates left out of the debates failed to meet benchmarks for their support that were outlined to each campaign prior to the Iowa caucus."
Outlined and decided upon by who? The FCC? The candidates? The national political parties?
Or a corporation with a vested interest in a pre-determined ultra-conservative outcome?
Wasn't ABC the network that showed the fictitious, Clinton-bashing propaganda "movie" about 9/11? Yes, it was. And now they will decide who we can or can not see of those running for office?
Gosh, if the FCC weren't being run by the right-wing son of Colin Powell, it might do some good to register a complaint.
Time for the Revolution, kids.
I think that what ABC has done to Dennis Kucinich, Mike Gravel and Duncan Hunter is pretty much an outrage, keeping them out of their televised debates. Corporate controlled media has no right to decide who the valid contenders are with ten months to go before the final elections. It is a network that is robbing Americans of our right to make an informed decision about who our leader should be. Any way you want to spin it, it's just wrong.
If anyone reading this would like to let the FCC and FEC know how you feel about this, myself and some concerned voters have created a form on our website that will make it easy to do so. Please visit www.everyonespeaks.com and let us know what you think of the place, or better yet, let the FCC know that what ABC has done is wrong.
--End of pitch. Again, sorry for the spam-like nature, but we got this website up over the weekend, and if we can do any good whatsoever, I had to move quickly. Thanks and take care.
everyonespeaks.com
Yeah...
So in other news Obama is up 10 points on Clinton in NH, re: cnn wmur poll:
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/01/06/nh.poll/index.html
Kucinich is done kids. Furthermore, political financial backers in Cleveland (Wealthy downtown developers, Medical Institutions, Banks) will see to it by replacing him with their own tool...
Joe Cimperman is lead fund-raiser among candidates for Kucinich's seat
Maybe he should get Mrs. Kucinich to flash her tits during the super bowl half-time. That should get some media attention.
Nicole,
Whom do you support?
VietVet8666 @ 7:
I agree with you.If you are still in the race,you should get equal airtime.Corporate power continues to dilute the Democratic process.
This election is being run by the usual puppetmasters and puppeteeers in this Polyarchy form of government in the United States of America.
America ceased being a real "democracy" on the day JFK was assassinated.
Enjoy the phony "election process" and all the brainwashing you get watching the fluffy-fluffs on your cable TV.
If you are at all serious about restoring "democracy" in America stop feeding the media, and cancel your cable TV subscriptions. Stop complaining about big media and then subscribing to it. The reason that big media gets stronger and stronger while increasing its rates to pay and more consolidation is because the general public enables this reality.
With the Internet now, there is NO REASON to have Cable TV subcriptions or to watch these fluffy-fluffs talk about nothing anyway. You will not receive any viable information listening to the talking heads on TV--they all have a predetermined agenda.
Dennis Kucinich on balance, did not miss anything by not being invited to be at that debate last night. Forget the lawsuit. He should use this situation to point out the brutal nature that the big media holds today. That the media has been acting like the Mafia for a long time is nothing new...
Roger Clemens got to pick Mike Wallace to do the interview on 60 Minutes should be further proof how corrupt the media has become by allowing someone to dictate "who" would interview them, and 60 Minutes is supposedly one of the most "credible" news shows on TV.
Its your choice whether to subscribe to big media. But in two years from now, the public air waves will be fully privatized when all goes digital and people who do not want cable can no longer plug in a TV to watch even the local weather. So, there you have it. You are all enablers of this awful situation where media gets bigger and bigger and the last vestiges of "democracy" are lost.
If the Democratic Party cared about "democracy" all the other candidates on the stage last night would have refused to go along with it unless Kucinich was invited on stage.
Okay. Kucinich should use this situation to his advantage and forget the lawsuit, while pointing out how rigged the system is at this time in America.
ABC sucks. If it wasn't for Lost and Desperate Housewives they'd resort to porno of Mickey Mouse and Goofy having oral sex in order to get ratings. I never forgave them for that Path to 9/11 bullshit they broadcast. I hope Kucinich reams them from here to eternity.
pinkobait @ 14:
roooth is right. These corporations assume we have no memory. We certainly look like fools for allowing Mr Bu$h two terms of destruction of our laws and our traditions. Can we turn these electronic distractions which shape our lives into instruments which call these trepidationists to account for their violations of decency, fairness, and law?
With apologies to Merle Travis, "if you want your freedom PDQ, turn off ABC." Let's also turn off GWB and his goose-stepping fraternity party.
Burning bras in the 1970s.
Cancel your Cable TV subscriptions in 2008!!!!!!!
Otherwise they will not get the message!!!!
Money talks; bullcrap walks.....
VietVet8666 @ 13:
Why? It's not relevant. I'm not pushing any candidate here. I slam any politician, regardless of party, if I think they're not doing right by us. And I will continue to do so, no matter who I end up voting for in the general election. (I am not a registered Democrat--I'm a Green, so I don't get to participate in California's primaries)
Just another example of Big Media picking our candidates for us. Fox News is excluding Ron Paul from one of their forums and allowing ghoolani whom Ron beat in Iowa. Word on the street is that people are selling of and betting against Fox news Corp stock, according to statistics, its has fallen in the past week or so. Maybe the same should be done for ABC, or contact the sponsors. This bullshit needs to stop. Especially on the republican side regarding Ron Paul, he's the only sane voice on that side and their excluding him. At least Dennis has other sane people to compete with, but neither should be excluded - it's still too early.
cubejockey @ 11:
The thing is, why aren't you mad that you and I didn't get a chance to make our real choice count?
Seriously, how many other representative governments or democracies allow their hgighest office to be decided by the least diverse most atypical subpopulation of the overall population?
If we had one national vote from among all the candidates currently running, would Kucinich be done? Or would he be a favorite, as he was with the national on-line polls?
cubejockey @ 11:
It is not what you are gonna do tomorrow; it is what you do today and now that counts.....
Turn off your TV sets and stop watching it....Read books. Get rid of your cell phones too--if you really care about your privacy rights now being eroded....
Anywhere big media is folks, examine it closely and make a decision whether you want to participate in the cruel media game; otherwise stop complaining.
Ruthless People @ 6:
Kucinich is on Moyers now.
pinkobait @ 14:
In general, I disagree. Some hang around to force deals, guys like Sharpton hang around (last time) to advance their careers, and eight or ten people getting small sound bytes is awful. That said, however, this is so early in the season that these exclusions are too early and give too much weight to Iowa. By SC I can see using these rules.
Either way Kucinich is done, so is Hunter.
Kucinich doesn't have a chance.
Which is a shame.
Since when does American democracy require some corporation's arbitrary idea of "benchmarks"?
Iraq, maybe, but here?
If Kucinich has any brains, he should leave Cleveland and run in a liberal western US city for Senate.
What the hell, it worked for Hillary.
Totally Paul-ly
Here it is, a collection of some of Paul's "greatest" quotes, taken from seven of his monthly political newsletters written between 1990 and 1994. Because of the incredibly politically incorrect content, Morris asked Paul to release all past copies of the Ron Paul Survival Report to the media, going back to the newsletter's origin in 1986. Paul promised to do so, but never did. Individual copies, however, can be requested from his surfside home, at 409/233-5854. As to why he wouldn't release his entire body of work to the media, Paul says voters may not understand his "tongue-in-cheek, academic" writings.
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* "Opinion polls consistently show that only about 5% of blacks have sensible political opinions, i.e. support the free market, individual liberty and the end of welfare and affirmative action."
* Although "we are told that it is evil to be afraid of black men, it is hardly irrational. Black men commit murders, rapes, robberies, muggings and burglaries all out of proportion to their numbers."
* "Black males age 13 that have been raised on the streets and who have joined criminal gangs are as big, strong, tough, scary, and culpable as any adult and should be treated as such."
* "The Earth Summit is the creepiest meeting of politicos since the first gathering of Bolsheviks. Officially known as the UN Conference for Environment and Development, it will be held in Brazil in June; bad guys from all over the globe will attend."
* "[Hillary Clinton] is one of the most dangerous women in public life. Not only is she a fanatical abortion advocate, she wants parents to register with the government as a condition for having children to be able to sue and `divorce' themselves from their parents. Maybe her daughter ought to sue her parents for attempting to raise her as a leftist. That sure qualifies as abuse to me."
* "...University of Texas affirmative action law professor Barbara Jordan is a fraud. Everything from her imitation British accent, to her supposed expertise in law, to her distinguished career in public service, is made up. If there were ever a modern case of the empress without clothes, this is it. She is the archetypical half-educated victimologist, yet her race and sex protect her from criticism."
* Disgruntled taxpayer "Dean Hicks fired bombs through mortars at night at buildings of the Internal Revenue Service in California. Hicks did damage federal property, but no individuals were injured... Hicks was sentenced to 20 years in prison, given a $45,000 fine, and ordered to pay $335,000 in restitution to the IRS. If he had been a serial murderer, he would not have gotten this sort of sentence."
* "Why do we need the federal government? There's no Cold War and no Communist threat. Many other nations are breaking into smaller and smaller pieces. The centralization of power in Washington occurred in a different time. Why not think about getting rid of the federal government, returning to the system of our Founders, and breaking up the United States into smaller government units?"
* "There is good news after the L.A. riots. Statewide, gun sales are up 45% over the same period last year. People have been purchasing a record number. If the cops are not going to take care of the problem, the people will."
* "There is no such thing as a hate crime, only crimes against person and property."
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Or add to this his quotes about Katrina:
"Is bailing out people that chose to live on the coastline a proper function of the federal government?" he asks. "Why do people in Arizona have to be robbed in order to support the people on the coast?"
Or his feelings about the Civil Rights Act of 1964:
"I would vote against it... it hurt personal liberties"
Or his thoughts about the separation of church and state:
"Through perverse court decisions and years of cultural indoctrination, the elitist, secular Left has managed to convince many in our nation that religion must be driven from public view....The notion of a rigid separation between church and state has no basis in either the text of the Constitution or the writings of our Founding Fathers. "
Or about evolution:
"I think its just a theory... I don't accept it"
Or about healthcare:
"The lesson is clear: when government and other third parties get involved, health care costs spiral. The answer is not a system of outright socialized medicine, but rather a system that encourages everyone – doctors, hospitals, patients, and drug companies – to keep costs down."
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What amazes me is not how awful all of his politics are (they are standard, well-worn libertarian positions)... but that anyone other than pimply adolescents hooked on Ayn Rand would give him a second glance.
Benchmarks? I thought the wingnuts didn't believe in benchmarks or is that only in Iraq?
roooth @ 8:
Kevin J. Martin is now chairman, Michael K. Powell was nominated by President William J. Clinton to a Republican seat on the Commission, and was sworn in on November 3, 1997. He was designated chairman by President George W. Bush on January 22, 2001, and served until March 17, 2005.
Mr. XXXX @ 24:
Yeah we are going to have to start making some meaning decisions in our lives if we are ever intend to stop this vulgar insidious intrusion into our lives by the corporate juggernaut.I hardly ever look at TV anymore-its almost pure pablum.Easy top digest and utterly without substance or meaning.
Everyone Speaks @ 9:
The form page is giving a 404 not found error.
BigMeida @ 21:
If Ron Paul is the "only sane voice" on your side, you're in SERIOUS TROUBLE.
a person @ 34:
Try putting the http:// in front of the www !
We've come to this. Now the corporate media giants dictate what the American viewer should see and hear. If we really have freedom of the press, Congress should enact a law stating that all candidates should be allowed equal time in these debates at least until 50% of the primarires are over with. If the American people can't make up their minds by then, too bad. But the media should not dictate who we should hear from. If not, pull their license.
My biggest disappointment with the debates last night is not one Democrat defended Kucinich nor challenge the MSM complicity of aiding and abetting a corrupt Bush Administration.
Chuck, kudos for telling the truth about Racist Ron, but you know you're not going to convince the Ronbots no matter what you do. You're just going to get the same fingers-in-the-ears responses, all of them chattering that OH HE'S NOT TEH RAYCIST and that you're obviously TEH EBIL HILLAWY WUVVER.
"Democratic presidential contender Dennis Kucinich takes ABC to task for excluding him from last night’s debate"
Contend: to strive in rivalry; compete; vie: to contend for first prize.
I love Dennis, in fact, I agree with his ideas and ideals more than ANY of the other candidates on either side, but honestly, calling him a contender??? Admittedly it is a bit early to be discounting people, but, I'd say he is as "out" as Dodd or Biden or any of the other so-called lower tier of candidates. He suffers from the "Funny Name" syndrome, same as Michael Dukakis did years ago. I maintain (or "Contend" if you will), that Barack Obama will suffer the same fate. I figure his name will queer the deal for him (along with a certain segment of AmeriKKKa's penchant for noticing skin color) long before the final voting takes place. Too bad, I like ol' Dennis.
Damian @ 35:
The majority of the people in the United States want out of this war. Paul proposes that all US troops return to the US. If he were to debate on the issue of the war, Democratic candidates could be forced into adopting an out-now positon to fend off this challenge.
Thats why I object to the medias attempt to keep Paul out of the debates.
Ha Ha good vidi....
..but doesn't the leader of the Koshacks call him names?
I like Kucinich's positions and what he stands for but I just don't like him as a candidate. I hate the way the media uses him to stereotype the far left. I actually think he's done more damage than good for the cause of liberalism by running for president. People don't take him seriously because of his looks and cause he's a vegan, so they don't take his ideas seriously.
I agree with #19. I am cancelling my cable tomorrow. Can you imagine if MoveOn set out on a nationwide campaign and asked all progressive to cancel their Cable. The system would have to change. It would be broken. How come they won't do that ? Oh I forgot. Our governement would go after them and they would be histroy.I have really had it this time with the Media deciding everthing for us. Who our next President will be, whether we should be in a war, stay in a war. Which politiicans are good and who we should demonize. I have finally had it with this American system and I'm fianally going to do something about it. Unfortunately the fix was in for Kucinich and Edwards from day one. Anyone of you who thinks Barach Obama is going to change this corrupt system we are living in is daydreaming.
The thing is, why aren’t you mad that you and I didn’t get a chance to make our real choice count?
I live in the Hellhole known as Cleveland. A city that's just above youngstown for being the politically skankiest city in Ohio. He's our Jim Traficant. He can't do anything right for us. Barring young liberals who love him but haven't paid property taxes. We other democrats "in the shit" hold our noses and vote for him.
Iraq and the bumbling bush/cheney whitehouse is good stuff for Denny. If it wasn't, he'd be doing his "win a date with Dennis" crap that he did in the 2004 election to whore attention from Kerry and Edwards.
Quit you're bitching. Obama and Edwards are looking good. Hillary is going down.
roooth @ 8:
I agree with your sentiments, but Michael Powell is no longer head of the FCC. Don't you listen to Howard Stern?!? Seriously, Stern made Powell's life a misery. I loved it.
Mr. XXXX @ 15:
I hear some Rage.....Fawk Yah@
Rage Against The Machine..Bullet in Your Head
This time the bullet cold rocked ya
A yellow ribbon instead of a swastika
Nothin' proper about ya propaganda
Fools follow the rules when the set commands ya
They said it was blue
When the boold was red
That's is how you got a bullet blasted through your head
Blasted through your head
Blasted through your head
I give a shout out to the living dead
Who stood and watched at the feds cold centralized
So serene on the screen
You was mesmerized
Cellular phones soundin' a death tone
Corporations cold
Turn ya to stone before you realize
They load the clip in omnicolor
They pack the 9, they fire it at prime time
Sleeping gas, every home was like Alcatraz
And mutha fuckas lost their minds
I'm basically getting annoyed by the all-inclusive corporate “programs” being pitched by the Candidates.
The southern strategy and defense of the status quo require that either Obama or Clinton win the democratic nomination and face any Republican in the general election.
Dennis! It`s over! You have no chance!
Anyone saying Dennis is "out" needs to unplug their TV and go on rehab. He's running until the election. You can sit there and accept that the corporate media has complete control over our electoral process, or you can actually fight against the incredible odds stacked against us.
You can't be neutral on a moving train. By accepting that this is just the way things are, you're complicit in the erosion of democracy by not fighting for its survival. Dennis does have a chance. His major hurdle is not a handful of media conglomerates, but the vast numbers of psuedo-liberals who say they like the man but would never vote for him. Try and find your spine before the primaries.
As long as Kucinich is on my primary ballot, I will vote for him as a protest vote. Wouldn't it be something if he actually garnered enough votes so the press actually had to acknowledge him?
Mr. XXXX @ 15:
No, America ceased being a real democracy the year Hayes was elected. History does include before the 1960s. This is nothing unusual for America, sad to say. Besides, to be a nitpicker, America never was intended to be a Democracy. Google "Ben Franklin" and "Republic," it will open your eyes. The founders detested Democracy, saw it as mob rule.
Don't piss on my leg and tell me its raining lemonade by buying into Cold War-era Democracy rhetoric.
Manila Ryce @ 51:
I had to clear up what you were saying there.
Mr. XXXX @ 15:
The only problem with this logic is the same corps that run the cable outlets are also running the internet.
Dom @ 16:
Lawyer: Mickey, you can't divorce Minnie just because she is crazy. For better or worse, you know.
Mickey: I didn't say she was crazy. I said she was f***ing Goofy.
General_Rennenkampf @ 53:
Way to push that Republican weasel-word lie.
cubejockey @ 45:
The bitching is being done, not because Dennis is the best candidate, but because his voice is being silenced. I'm sorry but you saying Dennis is bad is no reason to vote against Dennis. I want to hear from the candidates... ALL OF THE CANDIDATES!!!!! And then make my decision based on what I hear from them and then the research I do afterwards on that candidate. ABC prevents me from doing that.
Damian @ 57:
The General is correct.
Didn't Ben Franklin say..."..democracy is two wolves and one sheep, liberty is a well armed sheep"
Damian @ 54:
Liberalism is an ideology. Being a Scotsman is not. Self-described participants of the former can be objectively observed as to whether they are indeed subscribers to these basic tenets, while the later is subjective entirely upon the point of view of the individual. In short, your analogy is bullshit.
SamDog @ 40:
He is a contender until he leaves the election.
It does not matter weather he can win or not, he has a voice and some great ideas that need to be put out for public debate.
Public debate was censored by ABC.
I agree with everything Kucinich said.
So - how the fck could he throw his support to Obama?
the Corporation wants Hillary and Rudy as candidates. Please try to keep up!
ABC WANTED TO CONTROL THE DEBATE. KURCINICH WOULD NOT HAVE LET THEM.
ABC had no right to leave Kurcinich out of this debate. It was a direct attack against the American people. Remember that it was ABC that sought to justify Bush's lies about Bin Laden and this horrific for profit invasion by creating a fake docudrama, "The Path to 911". Propaganda is what the current ruling class is all about. They are controlling the message as much as possible.
Also remember that creating an enemy that allows these war mongers to continue aggressive actions is incredibly profitable. All of the network owned by the same elite trumpeted the rush to invade based on nothing but lies and propaganda. It was obvious at the time to any thinking person that they were all pushing for it and the real facts were not important.
ABC FRAMED AND CONTROLLED THE DEBATE FOR PROPAGANDA BRAINWASHING
I was furious about the way ABC started the Democrats debate with a photo montage of supposed terrorist camps and a very old picture of Bin Laden. From the beginning every word was pure propaganda. None of the facts put forth in that montage have been actually verified. It's all a bunch of crap they have sold us ever since the shadow elite attacked us on 911 and blamed it on Bin Laden.
ABC sought to frame the debate around terror which is not the biggest threat to this country. The biggest threat to our country is the shadow elite who are moving to destroy the constitution and merge us with Canada and Mexico.
The same elite who own the media and the government a who are marching towards their dream of a New World Order a One World Government controlled by them.
The people are waking up to the crimes of these networks and these officials. Our strength is gathering. We will not go into the control grid they are setting up no matter what.
OH jesus, the tinfoil-hat crowd is here.
The harm is done. This is 2000 and 2004 all over again: screw the electorate, and then hope the consequences are ones you can live with.
And to think that Ron Paul will be included in the debates, but they excluded Kucinich, which effectively changed the discourse. This is very, very bad...and malicious. Kucinich can't do a thing except complain to a republican-slimed FCC.
The corporate media owns the debates now. That alone is scandalous. You couldn't watch half the debates unless you subscribed to one of the cable monopolies.
And some people here piss and moan about somebody like John Edwards creating a "sue happy" middle class. I don't want to just sue them; I want to rip their hearts out and create true competitive markets with all the pieces.
Welcome to the privatization of everything.
Nick B @ 43:
He looks funny and he's a vegan.
Shit, if that's your reason for not voting for a candidate I hope you oversleep on election day
Kucinich closed with saying "we get what we deserve." Hmm. That does sound a little condescending, you know.
Damian @ 65:
Dismissal is an incredibly desperate way of diverting the facts when you have no real argument against them. The Neocons have taught you well.
Herby @ 67:
Very funny line. :-)
Herby @ 58:
The bitching should stop. No one is going to go bat shit and vote for Kucinich even if was invited. Notice how much attention Bill Richardson got Saturday night? Was he even mentioned in the Huffington Post's home page?
It makes me want to see Dennis kick ass in NH.
And the trolls are out in force. Anyone who doesn't parrot the tinfoil-hatter troll line is obviously a Neocon, right? Good to know that the debate here is framed by the most foolish among us.
I am a Kucinich supporter but that has nothing to do with the issue at hand. Removing any valid candidate from the debates aloows the remaining candidates to elide/ignore issues and positions. The purpose of debates must be more than a popularity contest or an opportunity to make a stump speech. The candidates questions of each other are as important as anything coming from the moderator. It is probabley correct that Kucinich and Gavel cannot get the nomination, but they do bring perspective and positions to the debate that must be delt with by the frontrunners.
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* “Opinion polls consistently show that only about 5% of blacks have sensible political opinions, i.e. support the free market, individual liberty and the end of welfare and affirmative action.”
Remarking a poll that doesn't sit well with you is wrong?
* Although “we are told that it is evil to be afraid of black men, it is hardly irrational. Black men commit murders, rapes, robberies, muggings and burglaries all out of proportion to their numbers.”
There are more blacks in prison that most other races. Again remarking a statistic.
* “Black males age 13 that have been raised on the streets and who have joined criminal gangs are as big, strong, tough, scary, and culpable as any adult and should be treated as such.”
I live about 5 miles outside of Detroit. My neighbors are of all races and I don't consider myself racist. But being caucasian, there are something I just don't do - like walk around Detroit at night alone. It's just a fact, you know, I'm not racist - I just don't want to get mugged (which happens quite often). There are more blacks in Detroit that any other race, and there's allot of crime in Detroit. I think it has to do with the "ghetto" mentality, because as you move out of Detroit, there races become more mingled - and crime goes down. I probably counted 15 to 20 shooting involving minors in the last year.
* “The Earth Summit is the creepiest meeting of politicos since the first gathering of Bolsheviks. Officially known as the UN Conference for Environment and Development, it will be held in Brazil in June; bad guys from all over the globe will attend.”
The UN has a thin candy shell that tastes good ("we come in peace"), the reality is, they are the biggest threat to our sovernty. Those are the same people that push NAU and SPP moving towards Global Government. You'll have the European Union (done), African Union (done), American union (in the works), and then the Asian Union. All easily control from one central place.
* “[Hillary Clinton] is one of the most dangerous women in public life. Not only is she a fanatical abortion advocate, she wants parents to register with the government as a condition for having children to be able to sue and `divorce’ themselves from their parents. Maybe her daughter ought to sue her parents for attempting to raise her as a leftist. That sure qualifies as abuse to me.”
Billary wants the Bush/Clinton dynasty to continue. She's as fake as the come. "she wants parents to register with the government" that's why Ron hates it.
* “…University of Texas affirmative action law professor Barbara Jordan is a fraud. Everything from her imitation British accent, to her supposed expertise in law, to her distinguished career in public service, is made up. If there were ever a modern case of the empress without clothes, this is it. She is the archetypical half-educated victimologist, yet her race and sex protect her from criticism.”
I've never heard of her before, I'll have to look this one up. But considering Pauls truth record, I have a feeling there was a good reason for this comment.
* Disgruntled taxpayer “Dean Hicks fired bombs through mortars at night at buildings of the Internal Revenue Service in California. Hicks did damage federal property, but no individuals were injured… Hicks was sentenced to 20 years in prison, given a $45,000 fine, and ordered to pay $335,000 in restitution to the IRS. If he had been a serial murderer, he would not have gotten this sort of sentence.”
The IRS is as bad as organized crime. We should all be disgruntled taxpayers. And he's right, most murders get off way more lightly.
* “Why do we need the federal government? There’s no Cold War and no Communist threat. Many other nations are breaking into smaller and smaller pieces. The centralization of power in Washington occurred in a different time. Why not think about getting rid of the federal government, returning to the system of our Founders, and breaking up the United States into smaller government units?”
That's because when you centralize power, someone ends up at the top and it always goes to their head. That past has proven this over and over and over....
* “There is good news after the L.A. riots. Statewide, gun sales are up 45% over the same period last year. People have been purchasing a record number. If the cops are not going to take care of the problem, the people will.”
Firearms are the only means of the ordinary person fighting back. I read at least 3 reports last month where an armed citizen stopped innocent bloodshed by taking out the killer with a registered weapon. When you make anti-gun laws, the only people it effects are law abiding citizens. The crooks will carry them regardless.
* “There is no such thing as a hate crime, only crimes against person and property.”
That's true, according the the constitution.
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Or add to this his quotes about Katrina:
“Is bailing out people that chose to live on the coastline a proper function of the federal government?” he asks. “Why do people in Arizona have to be robbed in order to support the people on the coast?”
If I build a house of the coast, and a storm blows it down, should the government pay for it? What if it's a bunch of homes? One of the risks you take by moving to the coast is "TROPICAL STORMS". Anyhow, FEMA did try to help, and look what a cluster f#ck that was. They do more harm than good.
Or his feelings about the Civil Rights Act of 1964:
“I would vote against it… it hurt personal liberties”
I think this is because he doesn't see people in groups, but as individuals. This clumped a bunch of poeple together and gives them right, where as he believes right are given to the individual.
Or his thoughts about the separation of church and state:
“Through perverse court decisions and years of cultural indoctrination, the elitist, secular Left has managed to convince many in our nation that religion must be driven from public view….The notion of a rigid separation between church and state has no basis in either the text of the Constitution or the writings of our Founding Fathers. ”
He's very mush against mixing religion and state affairs. But you can't deny that the founders crafted this country with their beliefs in mind "In god we trust".
Or about evolution:
“I think its just a theory… I don’t accept it”
Everyone has the right to their own opinion. If you think you are better than him because you don't believe, you're no better then those you believe that think all non believers are damned and need saving.
Or about healthcare:
“The lesson is clear: when government and other third parties get involved, health care costs spiral. The answer is not a system of outright socialized medicine, but rather a system that encourages everyone – doctors, hospitals, patients, and drug companies – to keep costs down.”
Healthcare is run amuck. There is no such thing as "free health care" so stop talking about it. Nothing is free. The healthcare system is completely corrupt. Socialized medicine I fear will end up the same way. Some company will get a handout like Haliburton, and then your back to square one because they're a monopoly.
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"What amazes me is not how awful all of his politics are (they are standard, well-worn libertarian positions)… but that anyone other than pimply adolescents hooked on Ayn Rand would give him a second glance."
I guess you have to look at it in it's entirety, and not only what you want to see. Reality and truth are like a slap to the face. It you can't face the music, you'll never be free.
I think the bigger question here is why didn't Howard Dean and the Democratic Party step in? If you're going to try to motivate people to contact ABC and sponsors, why not contact the Dems as well. When it became apparent that the individual candidates were too self concerned to get involved, the party should've stepped in an put a halt to the whole damned thing. They did not. They are guilty as well.
Damian @ 73:
Did I say you were a Neocon? Please learn to comprehend what you read before you denounce it like everything else.
Herby @ 55:
There are smaller Internet providers which are not linked to big phone companies, as far as I know, such as earthlink and netzero that one could get. There are some alternatives to getting the Internet which are not linked to the big transnational telecommunications industry.
Yes, it is perhaps, all linked in one way or another. That is why I said self-examination is necessary when making a decision. The Internet at this time is a far better alternative than having cable TV. It may also be necessary to get rid of the Internet and cell phones as well. It may also be necessary to make sure that your whole life is not infiltrated by unassuming GPS tracking systems, as in your automobiles. These are all choices one has to make as far as putting up or shutting up. Everything in one way or another is connected.
Dennis Kucinich could only be excluded from such a debate if the media moguls at ABC did not think they could not get away with such an anti-democratic decision. Americans are responsible for creating the dominant social/economic/political/cultural conditions that lead to the exclusion of not only Mr. Kucinich, but, other worthwhile voices from the public debate.
Kucinich argued that ABC is violating equal-time provisions by keeping him out of the debate and noted that ABC's parent Walt Disney Co. had contributed to campaigns involving the four Democrats who were invited.
``ABC should not be the first primary,'' the Ohio congressman said in papers filed at the Federal Communications Commission.
www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,,-7199604,00.html
CheneyIsADick @ 2:
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umm, til he gets to his nightly britney hilton reports.
HDon @ 76:
Good point indeed. Thanks for that fine statement.
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Damian @ 57:
True enough, there has not been a pure democracy since ancient Athens, nor has there been a representative government without democracy since.
sulphurdunn @ 49:
its a losse loose then great another eight yrs of repigshit idiots ruining america!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!they got my vote!!!!!!!!!!
America should celebrate Kucinich.
Sibel Edmonds names names in pictures....
http://www.justacitizen.com/images/Gallery%20Draft2%20for%20Web.htm
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When the Myth System Management(MSM) decides what information you get, are you fully informed?
What kind of informed decision can one make in a Democracy, when they are denied ALL information?
Corporations choosing who stays in the spotlight... FOLLOW THE MONEY, PEOPLE.
CORPRATISM = FASCISM.
America is it.
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You go, Dennis. Kucinich 2008!!!!!!!
Sany @ 44:
There are inexpensive Internet providers folks. You do not need Cable TV with the Internet any more. In two years, cable TV and TV which is all digital by then effectively makes plug-in TVS, obsolete, so those who cannot afford Cable TV will be out of luck. Cable TV subscriptions will continue to rise in costs as the public airwaves become more and more privatized as with the shutting off of plug-in TVs.
So, one can still get local TV stations on plug-in TVs right now. One could go to a more inexpensive Internet provider not associated with big Telephone corporations. One could get rid of their cellphones as well. All this stuff makes the telecommunications industry more powerful and a "democracy" less viable. It may seem difficult, but you would all survive and live very happily without many of these devices you think you "need" which you do not.
cubejockey @ 71:
Okay lets see if you can wrap your head around this. It has NOTHING to do with the vote, but the ideas the man has. I want Dennis's ideas (especially the Department of Peace) out in the public forum, this way, whoever wins we can continue to push these ideas forward.
Mr. XXXX @ 78:
Very well said. I'm going to switch.
One other thing:
Until moving in with my mother after the death of my dad, I did not have cable TV. I cancelled by Cable TV in 2002 and was without it until 2007. I refuse to pay for it and have talked to my mother if the rates keep going up and up, that she'd be better off cancelling it or scaling down the number of stations she has on it. Had I not moved in with my mom, I still would not have cable TV.
When I wanted to watch sports on TV, or even MTP on NBC for example, I used either my black-and-white plug-in TV, or went down to the sports bar around the corner from my apartment. I also went from 2001 to 2003 without a telephone. These were the early years of the Bush administration when liberals were being viciously attacked, and I decided not to want to be near the liars in the big telecommunications industry.
When I wanted to use the Internet at the time, I used my dad's computer or one of my siblings. I also used the Internet at the public library in my hometown when I wanted to print an article or other information. Sometimes life is actually better without all these superficial gadgets anyhow.
I like people much better than this new technology anyway. Good day all!
ABC in a disney manuver....just managed to make themselves look worse than FOX....Was it the "size of the table" that was a problem ? ( that was what FOX said the other night)....
If I had but once choice, and only one choice to pick from--Cable TV or the Internet--I'd by far choose the Internet.
I have satellite radio--both XM and Sirius--costs me roughly only $26.00 per month. I can many of the same cable TV stations on my satellite radio albeit with only the audio. I can all the C-Span stations on the Internet as well. One can read the transcripts of a show they like such as Keith Olbermann's "Countdown" on MSNBC's website or clips of that show on this site or others. With YouTube now, there is also another incentive to get rid of your cable TV subscriptions. One can get democacynow on the Internet and the Bob McChesney radio show and other fine leftist radio shows from kpfa in California on the Internet. Okay...enough from me already.
Good luck in your search for alternatives to your Cable TV providers....
the Mouse (ABC) is terrified of Dennis because he would put an end to the free reign these media organizations have had under Republican rule (and Clinton rule also I might add). Dennis would do what no other candidate would do, and that is fight to level the playing field...and nobody...especially the Nazi Rat (ABC) network.
Hopefully this debate won't be as influential as the Walt Disney Corporation would like it to be.
Vote for the best man for the job and spit in the eye of wealthy manipulators.
People decide, Kucinich 2008.
Dennis Kucinich was so right on that, I wonder if anyone is listening?
In light of this situation with ABC and Dennis Kucinich, I highly urge all of you here at Crooks and Liars to buy this book or have your local library get you a copy to read:
No Debate: How the Two Major Parties Secretly Ruin the Presidential Debates
Author: George Farah is the founder and executive director of Open Debates, a Washington-based nonprofit focused on reforming the presidential debate process. His articles have appeared in Harvard Law Record, Extra! and Princeton's Progressive Review.
Bibliographic Data: Trade Paperback, 192 Pages, Seven Stories Press, April 2004
List Price: $14.95
ISBN: 1583226303
Description: With startling clarity, Farah exposes the private bipartisan organization behind the presidential debates.
The presidential debates are the "Super Bowl of politics": the democratic centerpiece of the election season. These quadrennial confrontations-broadcast to tens of millions of Americans-are the only decisive political discussion between the candidates to which an ever-increasing number of unaffiliated voters may look. Yet the two major parties dictate almost every aspect of the event, stifling broad electoral choice.
In No Debate, author and lobbyist George Farah uses the lens of the presidential election, an event he argues is singularly important to our electoral democracy, to examine just how open America's elections may or may not be.
Central to his argument is the national debate sponsor, the Commission on Presidential Debates, an ostensibly nonpartisan group which Farah exposes as an arm's length organ of the major parties to keep out viable third parties. In this meticulously researched exposé, Farah finds a determinedly collusive commission, its board boasting some of the most powerful partisans in the country, through which tax-deductible corporate political donations to both major parties are funneled.
Along the way, Farah examines the backroom maneuverings and political calculations of the major parties: from Ross Perot's strategic debate invitation in 1992, to his exclusion in 1996, to the treatment of Buchanan and Nader in the 2000 election. With startling clarity No Debate documents a grievous institutional rigging of the electoral process, wherein glorified news conferences pass as debate and the two parties call the shots at the electorate's expense.
Dennis Kucinich End Runs ABC Snub at Democratic Debate with Appearance on Bill Moyers Journal
Dennis Kucinich End Runs ABC Snub at Democratic Debate with Moyers ...
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Kucinich tells Moyers 'I'm the Democrats' Democrat'
Raw Story, MA - 22 hours ago
Although Democratic presidential nominee Dennis Kucinich says he’s won a number of Internet polls in recent months, the Ohio Congressman was not invited to ...
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by Kevin Gosztola Page 1 of 2 page(s) Yesterday I pulled a stunt and tried to get OpEdNews to endorse Dennis Kucinich. It was done on the basis that I was ...
Kucinich appears tonight on "Bill Moyers Journal"
The Plain Dealer - cleveland.com, OH - Jan 4, 2008
Cleveland Democratic congressman/presidential candidate Dennis Kucinich will be a guest tonight on the PBS show "Bill Moyers Journal," along with Texas GOP ...
http://news.google.com/news?sourceid=navclient&hl=en&ned=us&ncl=1125878012
Take action now! I was so mad about this, I set up http://www.everyonespeaks.com to protest the arbitrary exclusion of these candidates.
If you go to everyonespeaks.com you file a complaint with the FCC and FEC in 1 click.
If everyone who agrees with what Dennis stands for voted for Dennis then he WOULD have a fighting chance. The reason why he "doesn't stand a chance" is because he doesn't agree with corprate media. He is for the worker not for big buissness. They discredit him, make him out to look like he is crazy and exclude him every chance they get.
Vote for your heart, vote for who you feel would fit most with your ideals. Otherwise you are throwing away your vote. My heart tells me Kucinich is the one. I refuse to vote for anyone else. I am not going to throw away my vote.
bobswire @ 38:
Excellent point. It is also relevant to note that the Democrats, to their everlasting shame, did not allow Ralph Nader to debate during the summer of 2000 in relation to the presidential election. As others have pointed out, in the United States, it is a foregone conclusion that the mainstream candidates will always receive the nod in achieving a political post.
Herby @ 90:
I agree with Dennises' ideas, but don't piss down my back and tell me its raining. Getting out of Iraq is not a novel idea, feeding and insuring the poor is not a new idea. He may have sold you but he didn't sell me.
Execution of these "ideas" is just as important. This involves diplomacy and negotiation with the enemy, which Dennis never had the ability to do. Even when he was a city councilman.
Kucinich Still the Best
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Help to put Kucinich Ads on TV!
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Bill of Rights Town Hall
January 6 at 8:00 PM
Dennis takes questions in Manchester, NH!
http://kucinichtv.com/
AlphaFactor @ 68:
To me, it sounded whiny and petulant, with a big, heaping helping of self-pity on top. But what do I know? My tin hat is in the shop.
Imagine you get what you want. Imagine that everyone is invited to the debates, even those with almost zero national support. What will happen?
One possibility is that a wingnut or two will run for the Democratic nomination, just to be able to mess with the debates.
If this happened, then you'd all be go crazy, demanding that these people be excluded. You'd say that they weren't real Democrats. You'd try to make it clear that you weren't being biased. You were simply trying to keep it focused.
Then people would demand that you provide some clear criteria. You'd say "OK" and write them down.
But then a favored candidate would fail to meet the criteria. You'd say "tough luck. We have rules and we're following them."
And the circle would be complete.
ps. Out of curiosity, what did you do when ABC published their criteria? How many letters did you write? What answers did you get in return? Can you retype or scan these in for us, please? I can't imagine that you waited until a few days before the actual debate before mobilizing.
cubejockey @ 103:
The problem is that there's absolutely nothing new about his ideas... you cna find them in place, working well, all over this world of ours. The problem is that the corporations who profit mightily off of Corporate health care, the "defend or attack" mentality, and on and on ...... can control what the wider public is able to hear.
Dennis was on Bill Moyer's show, and covered it very well:
Bill Moyer: The country loses when contrarian voices are excluded from the political debate.
As a prime example, Dennis sites the debate sponsored by the AARP, an insurance industry group. By excluding him, they ensured that NONE of the candidates would even bring up the idea of a single-payer system.
But I digress.... living in Texas I've heard my share of bitching. Mainly, here people bitch about property taxes.
And they bitch about gas prices.
cubejockey @ 103:
ERock......get your facts right.........you might do a little research on Kucinich......your way off base.......then try again. Thanks.......
cubejockey @ 103:
(sigh) If just this one issue continues to be heard http://www.thepeacealliance.org/ It will be worth my continued support of Dennis.
I always said it is wrong to leave any of these people out of the debates, until they get ready to go.
Congressman Kuccinich is a good man with some good ideas of how he would run this country if he were President and there are millions of people who agree with him and these people in national media should not be the dictators of who American people want to hear from before we decide which one of them will be our next President.
They do not want to hear from Congressman Kuccinich, because they know he is going to bring out the worst in not only them, but George W Bush and American people need to hear the dame truth.
These people are all over our air waves for a reason and that is to make things go away and it is shameful that FCC, officials stacked in office by this administration are right in the same bed with these bastards.
We have to remember folks, that this same media were also culprits of one of the biggest disasters in this countries history and many of them that sung the weapons of mass destruction song to us, are still the leading fools all over our air waves, with no shame what-so ever.
I and millions of other concerned Americans are highly offended by their Meir presence on our air waves today for that very reason and I plan to continue screaming at the top of the roof tops, until these people are removed for these dirty deeds.
While I am a strong supporter of Senator Obama, that does not mean I am immune to hearing from all of the others that are clearly in positions to help stabilize and fix the huge problems of this administration and Congressman Kuccinich is one of these people.
I won't speak for others but I am not outraged because I'm burned out on outrage.
Paul Wellstone was my Senator. I'm a vet of Iraq 2. When you've been mauled by a bear, and then bitten by a viper, it's hard to get outraged over a bee sting.
Sorry but I have to save my outrage for the bears and the snakes.
Waaaaaaaaa waaaaaaaaaaa waaaaaaaaaaa.................
I agree with most of what Dennis stands for but let's be real, he is not a contender. Biden and Dodd knew when to quit and so should Dennis. The debate last night gave more time to the real contenders and to me, was the best so far, now if Richardson would quit, then the three could really go at it and discuss their positions.
take back the airwaves. Use anti trust laws
JTM @ 107:
Last evening you claimed that Kucinich agreed to the benchmarks. I asked for a link to that. I could not find anything of the sort. You never responded.
Now you talk again about the rules. Whose rules? Neither Kucinich nor his supporters wrote them. You say we should have complained. To what end? Do you really think ABC would have listened?
One possibility is that a wingnut or two will run for the Democratic nomination, just to be able to mess with the debates.
So you want to restrict the discussion because of this possibility? Kucinich supporters here want a dialog. We object to the exclusion of Paul and Hunter, even though we disagree with them. How much effort does it take to tune them out? Let them talk. Besides, wingnuts are not going to go through the hassle and money it takes to register as a candidate. It didn't happen in the previous rounds of debates. ABC and Fox have made the cuts for us. It's that simple.
The electorate is again going to be steered to certain candidates by money and the MSM. We got screwed in 2006 by following the establishment Dems down the primrose path. We're just repeating the same old song and dance in 2008.
Mr. XXXX @ 19:
I canceled my cable Nov. 2004 after the election was stolen a second time and msm and the dems ignored it ... haven't had cable since and don't miss it at all ... I'm in a rural area too so I can only get 5 channels ... with rabbit ears ... if I'm lucky ... but I'm a news hound and I want real news not propaganda ... so the internet won out over cable. And I'm not with a big internet company ... I'm with the local phone company ...
Kucinich is a good man ... he is the only one I see on capital hill that is working for accountability in government ... even though I like Ron Paul's anti war message, I have seen nothing he has done to bring accountability as Kucinich has.
It doesn't matter if Kucinich or Gravel are in the lead ... they will keep the others honest ... as Gravel did in debate he was allow in. Corporations have no business controlling the election ... it should all be done by civil servants ...
Watch for another stolen election ... this time for Clinton ...
... good night ...
For quite some time I had difficulty in picking a candidate to support. I had said that if I voted with my heart it would be for Kucinich and if I voted with my mind it would be Edwards. As soon as Kucinich cut his deal in Iowa with Obama, my support for Dennis ended.
Sad really when someone as principled as Dennis sells out his principles.
HadIt @ 62:
See # 132
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/01/06/this-week-edwards-on-fighting-t...
The cult of personality is very disturbing. ABC should have left him in. He should be kept accountable for spoiling the Dems standing (asking difficult questions is ok, playing nasty with JRE is nasty and damages candidate w/better chance to win the general election - even they are supposed to knock one another out at this stage). Sheeple swallow anything under the Sun.
http://www.rollcall.com/politics/kstendorsements.html
K Street endorsements:
Hillary 55
Obama 16
Edwards 0
So, your Q is very valid: how could he instruct his supporters to vote Obama ? He is just a spoiler. Moyers fried him on it tonight.
Che's Lounge @ 117:
I did respond. Please go read the thread. As you'll see (if you haven't already), I apologized, since I could not find any place where he agreed to the conditions.
Please note that I said nothing today about whether or not he agreed to the criteria.
Please also double check before attacking next time. Thanks.
Pat Connors @ 115:
Yeah, then we can really hear a great "debate" about the differences between Coke and Pepsi.
Bill @ 110:
Say what? Why not help us out and provide a link to facts? I'm "liberal," that means I do my research when I can, and am willing to change opinions based on facts.
Also, what exactly did I state wrong?
the ABC Corporation is afraid of Dennis Kucinich. ABC cannot stand anyone having ethics, integrity, and honesty.
Max-1 @ 87:
Tim in Japan @ 113:
Well, when you get back from Japan and out of the service, think about attending the Wellstone Institute. Think about getting re-enraged and being the change.
The process itself needs to be changed, that's what I said. You're happy to choose between only two candidates that were essentially decided upon by a few states?
You're happy to have the national debate exclude important viewpoints that a majority of Americans agree with?
I don't know if it's outrage that I'm expressing, but I am pretty angry about losing my Democracy.
Kucinich lost his credibility a candidate and forfeited his place at any national debate when he told his supporters to go for Obama in the Iowa caucus.
Well, as a congressman, he can push the fcc to suspend their broadcast license, and push a call for all future debates to be held on the Public Broadcasting System (PBS). It's quite sad that the U.S. must rely on hyper time conscious corporate broadcasters to host serious political debate.
Manila Ryce @ 122:
Screw coke and pepsi!! Give me RC
Well said, Deniis Kucinich!
Dennis, ABC slams you. You can't blame John Edwards for this one. So why did you endorse Obama? Explain that.
Obama/Clinton = Coke/Pepsi
Edwards = some budget generic, like Sam's Club (but not from non-union Wal-Mart)
Richardson = whichever has the most calories and very little fizz
Kucinich = Tab (and saying that Tab is no longer on the market won't change that)
Paul = ??? (and you have no right to know the ingredients, since the FDA is unconstitutional)
Kucinich's exclusion, along with Gravel and the attempt made at Paul seem like good issues for court orders, being that they wouldn't have a lot of difficulty proving, or demonstrating, that the MSM has been doggedly trying to dictate who the candidates will be based upon the message each candidate has. Anybody who talks any line which doesn't support a corporate agenda is being systematically excluded and ignored, especially if the message is so audacious as to breathe a word about Constitutional issues, civil liberties or is anti-war.
The "News" media is attempting to hijack the democratic process, by strictly controlling the available information from which voters could form opinions or make informed judgments. Their practices are violating equal time requirements, and it amounts to election tampering. It is still early enough in the process that court orders could put a stop to the ongoing fraudulant process which the networks are perpetrating upon all voters The FCC should be by-passed, because it no longer serves the American People.
The FCC can also be sued in Federal court and be compelled to execute its duties as are spelled out in law and regulation.
realist08 @ 127:
Not Really, Obama surged ahead by 12 points to easily win the iowa caucus after the voters migrated from Dennis to Obama. I think there is a groundswell of support not visible to the public because of the MSM blackout of Dennis and the Articles of Impeachment.
Rep. Robert Wexler Impeachment Petition nearing 200,000 signatures
by Mikael Rudolph Page 1 of 1 page(s)
January 6, 2008 at 23:03:56
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182213 signed up and counting...
[Webshot taken Sunday evening of petition tally]
Florida Representative Robert Wexler is steadily closing in on 200,000 signatures on an online petition he posted in December calling for citizen support of impeachment proceedings commencing at once against Vice President Richard B. Cheney.
Rep. Wexler, a member of the House Judiciary Committee where impeachment proceedings are considered, has said that he plans to submit this list to the HJC when the House of Representatives returns to session the week of January 15th.
Former Democratic Party Presidential nominee Senator George McGovern announced today that he has finally painfully come to agree that impeachment hearings are warranted and are in the best interest of the nation. McGovern did so in an article published in Sunday's Washington Post entitled: Nixon Was Bad. These Guys Are Worse.
If you agree with Rep. Wexler and Senator McGovern and believe that an investigation of Cheney's pre-war statements and actions is warranted and are interested in adding your name to the petition, you can do so online at: www.WexlerWantsHearings.com
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As one who voted for Kucinich in the 2004 primary, let's face the facts , the guy is not a viable candidate. He's been campaigning for 5 years and is lucky to beat the margin of error in any poll. It's over, and while Dennis's message might be great, Dennis the messenger is completely unacceptable. The debates were boring with all the candidates in the mix, let the big dogs do the talking for now on .... besides once Dennis suggested running with Ron Paul, he cemented his position at the far left version of Joe Lieberman. Say goodbye now, Dennis.
For Disney and Company to exclude and censor Dennis Kucinich demonstrate that they truly are afraid. Afraid of the TRUTH that Dennis has to say. Because of this he is being excluded; oppressed; discriminated and held back from any possible publicities.
For a Disney Inc. to portray an image of family values; their actions are not consitent. Dennis Kucinich IS part of the AMERICAN POLITICAL "FAMILY". ABC=Disney=OIL=WAR=GREED
What better reason to boycott where it hurts them. Their pocket.
Take your Mickey Mouse and your imaginary world of EPCOT and your PIRATEs into your carribean.
Fuck ABC and its affliates. Boycott ABC for excluding Dennis Kucinich, and Mike Gravel. That is so fuckin wrong that ABC did that. To hell with ABC and Disney!!!
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Don't Count Kucinich Out Yet
By Joel Wendland
________________________________________
1-08-08, 1:52 pm
Ignored by the media. Written off by the Democratic Party elite. Damned with faint praise by many liberals. Dennis Kucinich's campaign for president sends a clear message: End the war now. Single-payer, not-for-profit universal health care. Impeach the Bush administration.
For this message, many core Democratic and left-leaning voters say they support Rep. Kucinich and have even voted for him in several Internet surveys.
Last July, Kucinich polled well in MoveOn.org's online poll following its presidential forum, placing second behind behind John Edwards.
In an online survey following a presidential forum last August sponsored by the Human Rights Campaign and broadcast online by MTV's Logo, Kucinich polled second behind Sen. Barack Obama.
More recently, however, Kucinich has won large support in online surveys conducted by Internet-based organizations. Kucinich captured 41 percent of the vote in an online survey conducted by the Progressive Democrats of America, nearly doubling John Edwards' second-place finish.
In December, Kucinich scored very well in an online poll sponsored by Democracy for America, an Internet-based advocacy organization headed by Jim Dean, brother of Democratic National Committee Chair Howard Dean. Kucinich won 32 percent of the 150,000 votes cast, outscoring both Obama and Edwards.
Also, a poll conducted by the The Nation magazine some time back showed Kucinich with 35 percent of the vote, Obama second with 24 percent and Edwards third with 13 percent.
The Nation writer John Nichols said, “The DFA and PDA poll results give Kucinich an additional measure of credibility as he reaches out to key activists, including Democrats who are currently leaning toward other contenders.”
According to the Kucinich campaign, "Kucinich has won more than a dozen major on-line polls and post-debate surveys, including one conducted by ABC News."
Unfortunately, Rep. Kucinich's Internet-based support has not translated well into a strong showing in the polls. An ABC poll conducted just prior to the New Hampshire debates last week put the Ohio representative at 3 percent. The poll was part of the ABC/Facebook "Election Pulse." On Facebook, Kucinich polled 6.67 percent.
What is startling about these facts, however, is that despite coming in behind Kucinich in this "Election Pulse" both on Facebook and the ABC poll, ABC included Gov. Bill Richardson in ABC's Democratic debate last Saturday night, while excluding Rep. Kucinich.
Ironically, the debate was billed as a debate of the leading candidates.
In response to ABC's troubling decision to exclude Rep. Kucinich, the Kucinich campaign filed a complaint with the Federal Communications Commission, claiming that the ABC television network “is violating its obligation to operate in the public interest."
The Kucinich campaign further argued that the event “is not a true presidential primary debate without including all credible candidates, but instead is effectively an endorsement of the candidates selected by ABC.”
The campaign also cited a conflict of interest on the part of ABC, which “is a wholly-owned subsidiary of Walt Disney, Co., whose executives have contributed heavily to other Democratic presidential primary candidates, including Senators Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama, former Senator John Edwards, and Governor Bill Richardson.”
The corporate media simply cannot be allowed to choose who the candidates in the election race are. That should be left to voters, contends the Kucinich campaign.
--Reach Joel Wendland at jwendland@politicalaffairs.net
http://www.politicalaffairs.net/article/articleview/6338/1/308/
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