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What GOP really stands for contest winners from Perrspectives winners of a Perrspectives contest from 2006.

Tonight's ninety minute debate starts at 9 Eastern Time and is streamed on msnbc.com. Open Thread below for anything worth quoting.

UPDATE: Amato: Huckabee starts the Fl. pandering by saying he wants to build a super highway there...

They are all supporting Bush and his war except for Ron Paul..this debate is painful to watch.

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Roger from Ohio's picture

1ST?

Roger from Ohio's picture

ok... who wants to count the number of times they say Regan??

Robert Kinney's picture

Lets watch the liars .....

Roger from Ohio's picture

the winner is the one that wants to kill the more foreigners

Andotech's picture

Gag Our Press? Wtf? So 'Lance' thinks that the press wants to report on what's really going on in this country but can't because the government won't let them? Again, WTF?

And then somebody decided that Lance's entry deserves 2nd place?

Robert Kinney's picture

McCain, how OLD is that fossil? ....

Roger from Ohio's picture

Andotech @ 5:

Gag Our Press? Wtf? So 'Lance' thinks that the press wants to report on what's really going on in this country but can't because the government won't let them? Again, WTF?

And then somebody decided that Lance's entry deserves 2nd place?

who the hell is Lance??

Robert Kinney's picture

Honestly, who can trust a republican these days? ....

Talcott's picture

Gaining

Ol' Paul

for the

Long Haul.

Robert Kinney's picture

WOW ...... Rudy went on for 90 seconds and never once mentioned 9/11 .....

Roger from Ohio's picture

I never noticed that Mr 911 has a lisp like some cartoon character

Roger from Ohio's picture

Regan 1

Robert Kinney's picture

Yeah Timmy, lets stick another brainless puglican in the People's House ...

Gekke's picture

This one will blow your mind..

Its Not chimpies fault after all, its all down to them there genetics ;)

Some People Never Learn

Ron's picture

Cut tax rates and don't fix the bridges and sell off our roads and highways to private corporations so if "WE THE PEOPLE" have to get to our destination, we pay a price on top of the high gas prices.

Robert Kinney's picture

Go read McCains Bio ...... He's NOT what this country needs ...

Dinosaur Trader's picture

McCain looking like a young and spritely 68 year old with all that makeup...

-DT

ysbaddaden's picture

What are Floridians going to debate, whether to call sissy boys fags or queers?

Robert Kinney's picture

What rhymes with Huck?

Robert Kinney's picture

God, Guns and Gays is all they have ....

Robert Kinney's picture

and read my lips .... NO NEW TAXES ....

♥♂'s picture

Robert Kinney @ 10:

WOW ...... Rudy went on for 90 seconds and never once mentioned 9/11 .....

Yeah, what's he gonna talk about now that the subject is the economy and not his usual
Iraq, 911, mushroom cloud.

Orangutan.'s picture

Huckleberry. The Mitt, Lock Jaw, Paul, and Lisp.

Robert Kinney's picture

Screw the infrastructure of this country .... We need to destroy another country over 935 documented LIES ....

craigc's picture

16 minutes in the first Ron Paul question.

Roger from Ohio's picture

hey hey

Ron Paul got invited

♥♂'s picture

Orangutan. @ 23:

Huckleberry. The Mitt, Lock Jaw, Paul, and Lisp.

Rudeeth not tho good if he can't talk about thafety.

Ronin Tetsuro's picture

DOUBLE HANGINGCHADS!

And the crowd goes wild...

Robert Kinney's picture

Ron Paul will defeat Rudy once again in Florida ....

Ron's picture

Paul wants to reduce regulations. Isn't that what has gotten us where we are now?

Roger from Ohio's picture

ground zero

Robert Kinney's picture

Ron @ 30:

Paul wants to reduce regulations. Isn't that what has gotten us where we are now?

Paul is clueless on all subjects other than Iraq ...

Robert Kinney's picture

Here comes 9/11 ..... listen for it ...

Roger from Ohio's picture

he gave the check back

but he did take it first

maybe it wasnt enough, or did he have him just donate to his campaign instead?

flamethrower's picture

I wish there was more time to comment on this thread but I have to run off and compile my 2010 family budget. Is McCain that out of touch that he thinks any middle class person in this country can budget more than a few months ahead???

Jeremy's picture

Temple @ 355:

Tim Russert just asked Romney "...will you do for Social Security what Ronald Reagan did in 1983?" Then the camera switched to Romney and you clearly hear a whispering voice tell Romney "raise taxes". Romney quickly answers "Well I won't raise taxes".

WHO IS WHISPERING INFORMATION TO THE CANDIDATES!!!!! This is a rigged debate!

We need to find out about that.

nonbeliever's picture

Jeremy @ 348:

Did McCain just complement Guiliani? Wow.

Not only did he compliment him very graciously but he did so for the rest of the field.

latinck's picture

The democrats started Vietnam war?

Mike Donnelly's picture

audience yet again gives Ron Paul applause, watch out for the taser's bro

bradda's picture

Holy Cow this thing actually ends??

flamethrower's picture

Oh, oh, Paul erected a big tent and the other four guys want to bomb it. The Iron Sheik is rolling in his grave.

Robert Kinney's picture

This is one show I will not be watching again ... What a snooze ..

Leo's picture

ONce again Ron Paul gets the biggest applause. Wonder if the MSM fools will mention that.

Robert Kinney's picture

Thank God It's Over

Leo's picture

WORST DEBATE EVER!!

bradda's picture

Dems go over an hour Repubs 37 minutes lol who loves America??

latinck's picture

Thank God its over. Now lets see how they spin this shit.

galmud's picture

Temple @ 355:

Tim Russert just asked Romney "...will you do for Social Security what Ronald Reagan did in 1983?" Then the camera switched to Romney and you clearly hear a whispering voice tell Romney "raise taxes". Romney quickly answers "Well I won't raise taxes".

WHO IS WHISPERING INFORMATION TO THE CANDIDATES!!!!! This is a rigged debate!

LOL maybe it was the ghost of Ronny?

Robert Kinney's picture

Morning Joe is full of shit as well ....

Mike Donnelly's picture

Joe Scarbourgh : no doubt this is Mitt's best yet, ye gods

Robert Kinney's picture

bradda @ 370:

Dems go over an hour Repubs 37 minutes lol who loves America??

Funny ....

bradda's picture

Scar was pretty moderate for awhile, then election season and BAM true colors!

John's picture

Weird thing is, CNBC can say whatever they want to end the show... why say the word "Florida" so many times in the closing? What were the perceived negatives and positives?

Mike Donnelly's picture

somebody else says this was Mitt's best night ever, mostly because he wasn't attacked and he doesn't do well when he is. Andrea Mitchell says Mitt did well on economic issues

bradda's picture

Ahhhhhhhhhhhh Andrea Mitchell is SKELETOR!! Get it off Jimmy, get it off!

craigc's picture

Greenspan's wifie is spinning it for McCain, why am I not surprised?

Robert Kinney's picture

Andrea, go home to your Greenspan, the man who put this country in the demise that it is ....

needdemsinohio's picture

This is the first Republican debate I've watched this year. I have to take a shower.

Mike Donnelly's picture

Joe and Matthews still talking about Mitt and how much better he is from earlier. Did Mitt "win" this thing tonight ?

bradda's picture

I'll bet you K.O. is just sick of Tweety after these debates he begged to do his show tonight. I expect Keith to slam Tweety before the elections!

Drew's picture

Agent Provocateur @ 226:

I feel like I am watching the most god-awfully boring, at yet at the same time most god-damned frightening, zombie flick ever filmed.

They must be starving too, because the only bit of gray matter on that stage is what is on top of their heads, certainly not in them.

Boy you said it...

You know why it was so boring? Because they kept focusing on Romney, McCain and Guiliani.

Paul got like 2 questions the whole friggin night...

I fucking hate NBC, goddamn General Electric wants to continue their missile and tank sales to the state, and so they don't listen to Paul, because he wants to stop that whole military industrial complex.

Robert Kinney's picture

I'll be looking forward to the Dems response to this crap ....

wisedup's picture

General Hillary......I like that....pvt. Mitt!

nonbeliever's picture

bradda @ 376:

Scar was pretty moderate for awhile, then election season and BAM true colors!

Scar has always been a shill and repug apologist. He could just see which way the winds were blowing in '06 when the repugs got served. If you watch his show now, there are times when he can't even let Mika finish the news without trying to defend the party line.

flamethrower's picture

Can't wait until the Clintons bitch slap Romney for the litanny of lies he spun about Hillary.

Jeremy's picture

Mitt will be broke before he's president. MSNBC must be trying to score a big ad buy from the Romney camp.

coleshack's picture

My God. Is this the best the Republicans have to offer? I've seen more animated people at a morticians' convention. What is the difference between them? Where's the passion to lead and the strength of conviction? Compare the Democratic and Republican debates. You're left with the impression that the Democrats are human while the Republicans are out of touch with their humanity. The Democrats gained a lot of votes for their nominee tonight.

bradda's picture

nonbeliever @ 388:

bradda @ 376:

Scar was pretty moderate for awhile, then election season and BAM true colors!

Scar has always been a shill and repug apologist. He could just see which way the winds were blowing in '06 when the repugs got served. If you watch his show now, there are times when he can't even let Mika finish the news without trying to defend the party line.

Mika's hot and smart! Mmmmmmmmmmmm

bradda's picture

The weapons went to Jordan Huckabee??

Robert Kinney's picture

yeah, why pull out of an illegal war and occupation Huck ....

Jeremy's picture

Huck just said the WMD's might have gone to Jordan... hmm... But Chris just called him on it... not quite Gerald Ford's Poland moment, but close.

Ron's picture

Rudy, what about fair trade?

Talcott's picture

Ron @ 30:

Paul wants to reduce regulations. Isn't that what has gotten us where we are now?

Sarbine's Oxley blow's. It is very good for accountant's and that is about it.

Jason's picture

For most average Americans, not making Bush's tax cuts permanate means about 20 dollars a month less per pay...BFD!! Republicans only seem smart because their followers are so fucking stupid.

Robert Kinney's picture

Rudy ... "Sell to the rest of the world"
Just what do we make anymore ? ......

Leo's picture

The host was afraid Ron Paul would directly criticize Bush so he said he was changing the question (only for Ron Paul).

Dahgrostab'ph-r-i's picture

Roger from Ohio @ 2:

ok... who wants to count the number of times they say Regan??

They had agreed to say Ronald Reagan nine hundred and eleven times tonight. But Gulliani got mad that everyone was trying to work his side of the street.

Roger from Ohio's picture

when he says increase our taxes

he means his and the rest of his crew.......... if u make over 250K then u should pay more taxes then what they do

the middle class wont have their taxes raised

Leo's picture

OMG, they just focused on Guiliani doing some wierd facial tick.

Robert Kinney's picture

Hey Johnny, what could we have done with that plus TRILLION dollar expense we have occupying another country and destroying it ? ....

bradda's picture

McCain just said that "If you what the Democrats debate you will see tax and tax spend and spend!" "The Republicans will fix the economy!" The same fucking economy that they have fucked up for all these years!!!???!?!? What a douchebag!

galmud's picture

tax and spend tax and spend tax and spend tax and spend tax and spend tax and spend

Robert Kinney's picture

Huck is channeling God I suspect ....

latinck's picture

WMD went somewherre but we dont know where. Check up your butt Huck!

Swashbuckler's picture

Good f-ing God! How can ANYONE take the Huckster's WMD BS seriously?!

latinck's picture

NBC ' s finest moment! Not !talk about letting the country down.

Robert Kinney's picture

Timmy makes me sick ....

ConcernedCanuck's picture

Talcott @ 346:

ConcernedCanuck @ 335:

Talcott @ 317:

nonbeliever @ 303:

And I would tell the socialist's to keep their lazy little hands out of my pocket's.

Hahahaha.........ya cuz capitalism is working so well

LMAO you must like corporate welfare like the MIC get's, or Big Pharma, or Energy Co's.

Corporate welfare brought to you by both the Dems and Pugs.

Who spent the SS?

Why can't it be optional? are we free?

Corporate welfare is a byproduct of capitalism, not socialism. I have a Canada Pension Plan that is not optional. You work, you pay. I pay the maximum every year. Will I get it all back? Nope, but some poor bastard that needs the help will get some. That my friend is socialism. What you got right now, is massive Crony Capitalism that is choking the living shit out of every supposed democratic nation on the globe. Hell, Communism is oh so bad, that the US needs loans from those evil bastards to keep afloat!! Sad. Healthcare should be socialized everywhere. Those that can afford to pay do, those who can't don't. Healthcare for all.

Ron's picture

Swashbuckler @ 397:

Good f-ing God! How can ANYONE take the Huckster's WMD BS seriously?!

Hey, don't diss the Huckster. He got that information straight from Dick Cheney.

Robert Kinney's picture

Did anyone hear ANY answers tonight? ... Any?

D.B. Cooper's picture

You idiots! I've got the WMD's

latinck's picture

Yeah Timmy, thanks alot for doing your job and asking the tough questions.

♥♂'s picture

Ron Paul was the only one with guts enough to not fall in line with the NeoCon thinking that the Iraq war was a good idea. Everybody else up there thought the Iraq war was a good thing.

I hope, in light of all we have found out (the 935 lies to get us there) that the American people get some accountability on this issue. These were criminal acts, so if we don't impeach, which we wont, then we should have trials after they get out of office.

We want our America back!

odanny's picture

My goodness, what reprehensible human beings Romney and McCain are. Pathetic.

Robert Kinney's picture

RUDY/CHENEY '08

Jeremy's picture

Sometimes I forget that McCain's son is a Marine serving in Iraq. It amazes me that he doesn't ever make mention of it. Any bets on when he trumps out his combat boots like Webb did?

nonbeliever's picture

latinck @ 396:

WMD went somewherre but we dont know where. Check up your butt Huck!

LOL! Yeah Huck is pretty clueless or pretending to be...

Fritz's picture

Ron Paul is winning again! Ha! This is great! I know this has to piss off the corporates in the media! Hurry, catch it before they remove it from the site!
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22830366/

Robert Kinney's picture

RUDY CONSERVATIVE? ..... Tell that to your many ex-wives ...

Swashbuckler's picture

nonbeliever @ 409:

latinck @ 396:

WMD went somewherre but we dont know where. Check up your butt Huck!

LOL! Yeah Huck is pretty clueless or pretending to be...

Nah, he's pandering to the cons who can't admit that the U.S. was wrong...

tlb22's picture

Anyone else hear right towards the end, Russert's question to Willard O'Mittens about whether he'd "do what Ronald Reagan did" in the early 1980's re social security?...when Russert's finished the question, if you turn up your tv, you can hear someone whisper (loudly) "raise taxes raise taxes" and then Willard goes "I wouldn't raise taxes, blah blah, raising taxes would be the dumbest thing ever, blah blah"

WHO GAVE MITTENS THE ANSWER -- WHO WAS WHISPERING REPUBLICAN TALKING POINT ANSWERS TO HIM DURING THE DEBATE??????????????

Robert Kinney's picture

Fritz @ 410:

Ron Paul is winning again! Ha! This is great! I know this has to piss off the corporates in the media! Hurry, catch it before they remove it from the site!
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22830366/

Lets watch the liars .....
Paul in a Landslide .... But they won't report it ...

odanny's picture

Was the war in Iraq worth the blood and treasure it cost?

Every single one of these clowns said 'yes', with the exception of Ron Paul.

More nails in the GOP coffin come November.

coleshack's picture

More softballs than at a Playboy Bunny charity game.

♥♂'s picture

WOW, Ron Paul kicked ASS on the poll following the debate. check it out.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22830366/

ConcernedCanuck's picture

Fritz @ 410:

Ron Paul is winning again! Ha! This is great! I know this has to piss off the corporates in the media! Hurry, catch it before they remove it from the site!
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22830366/

LOL! Somewhere in America, A corporate reTHug donor is slitting his wrists!!

tyree's picture

Robert Kinney @ 231:

these republicans sure use the restroom a lot ....

hell it would probably be more interesting watching them pinch a loaf then debateing

Bob in Seattle's picture

01-20-09
Can Not come soon enough ..........

♥♂'s picture

tyree @ 419:

Robert Kinney @ 231:

these republicans sure use the restroom a lot ....

hell it would probably be more interesting watching them pinch a loaf then debateing

LOL ... Do they tap their foot while they "pinch the loaves"

Robert Kinney's picture

tyree @ 419:

Robert Kinney @ 231:

these republicans sure use the restroom a lot ....

hell it would probably be more interesting watching them pinch a loaf then debateing

ah, truth .......

Ron's picture

Swashbuckler @ 412:

nonbeliever @ 409:

latinck @ 396:

WMD went somewherre but we dont know where. Check up your butt Huck!

LOL! Yeah Huck is pretty clueless or pretending to be...

Nah, he's pandering to the cons who can't admit that the U.S. was wrong...

There wre no WMDs and they knew it. Hans Blix was kicked out just before the invasion began. Here is a theory 've thought about.

I think that they invaded Iraq, not for the oil, but to raise the price of oil. Now of course, the prices are up, they want to steal the oil. Do you think for one minute, that if we had negociated for the sanctions to be lifted, that Saddam wouldn’t have sold us the oil? Him selling us the oil would have kept the prices down to $20-30 a barrel. Now, on top of ripping us off at the pump, they want to control Iraqs oil also.

Robert Kinney's picture

Tweedy is a smuck .......

Robert Kinney's picture

McCain wants to be in Iraq for "a thousand years" .....

Robert Kinney's picture

Did anyone hear any praise tonight of the fraud we have in the White House at present? .....

liberAL's picture

Matthews is in his height of glory. He can continue his ragging on the Clintons. And he actually thinks that all the yelling behind him is for him! I don't know which is worse; the repug candidates or the talking heads that are on now - Tweety, David, Joe Scar.

T-Town OKIE's picture

humboldtblue @ 198:

Ron Paul is a fucking fruitcake racist. He deserves about as much space on that stage as a klansman. So if you want to kill black people, or Jews, or brown people, Ron Paul, the homunculus from Texas is your man. What a piece of shit he is, even when compared to that collection of feces the Republicans have gathered. Fuck Paul and fuck his idiotic supporters.

Humbuttblue...quit talking out of your asses , it really stinks!!! You prozac pooping piece of shit!

kravitz's picture

didn't see it. did rudy's lipstick at least match his tie?

wisedup's picture

Pre-planned......don't hurt the party...questions to each other.....slam Democrates
(got it fellas...got it)
GE: SELL ADS!....mitt has big bucks, give him the most time...
*Note: They all think he who spends the most will be preznut.

Nixmummy's picture

tlb22 @ 413:

Anyone else hear right towards the end, Russert's question to Willard O'Mittens about whether he'd "do what Ronald Reagan did" in the early 1980's re social security?...when Russert's finished the question, if you turn up your tv, you can hear someone whisper (loudly) "raise taxes raise taxes" and then Willard goes "I wouldn't raise taxes, blah blah, raising taxes would be the dumbest thing ever, blah blah"

WHO GAVE MITTENS THE ANSWER -- WHO WAS WHISPERING REPUBLICAN TALKING POINT ANSWERS TO HIM DURING THE DEBATE??????????????

Okay I thought it was those voices in my head again...yes I heard it too! Maybe he's wearing Bush's backpack w/stylish ear piece.

Dinosaur Trader's picture

The Dems can't lose this election, can they? I mean, the stage is full of has-beens and caricatures...

-DT

Orangutan.'s picture

I like the way Huckabee talks about the poor. That is cool of him.

bradda's picture

My head is spinning watching tis crap. Do people REALLY believe this shit? Wait....oh yea they do.

Roger from Ohio's picture

isnt trickle down economics a concept made up by Regan??

Robert Kinney's picture

How come we never see Huck's wife .....

Dinosaur Trader's picture

Mitt Romney makes Ken dolls proud everywhere.

-DT

Robert Kinney's picture

Not that we want to , mind you ....

bradda's picture

MITT!!! Washington is broken!! Well who broke it dumbass??

needdemsinohio's picture

Talcott @ 37:

Ron @ 30:

Paul wants to reduce regulations. Isn't that what has gotten us where we are now?

Sarbine's Oxley blow's. It is very good for accountant's and that is about it.

That's easy to say now. How many people got taken for a ride by Enron, Adelphia, MCI etc. If SarbOx is repealed we can just resurrect Ken Lay and get it over with.

Roger from Ohio's picture

Regan 1 1/2

McCain 1
Huckabee 1/2

Robert Kinney's picture

Romney is a nutcase ...

Ronin Tetsuro's picture

My god. This is like some insane game show.

"Who Wants To Be A Crooked Thief?"

bradda's picture

Mitt wants to reign in entitlement! ROFLMAO

flamethrower's picture

3.5 trillion in added debt and these clowns don't have any real problem with that and want MORE tax cuts. Those poor little rich folks are barely getting by.

bradda's picture

911 911 911 911

Robert Kinney's picture

Willard Romney, his real name, is out of his mind ....

craigc's picture

Pathetic choices for president.

Dinosaur Trader's picture

Giuliani's upper lip has receded 3 cm during this debate alone.

-DT

bradda's picture

These guys are running for president?!?!!? I thought this was Deal or No Deal!!!

needdemsinohio's picture

Dinosaur Trader @ 48:

The Dems can't lose this election, can they? I mean, the stage is full of has-beens and caricatures...

-DT

I agree, but I also remeber the SNL skit which was a debate between Dukakis and Bush, where Dukakis turns in the middle of the debate and says "how am I losing to this guy?" It's happened before.

Mike Donnelly's picture

Mitt's bitching about Washington, just who does he think was in charge the past 8 years? How the hell will he be any different in getting the Congress and the R's to do his bidding. What a joke

flamethrower's picture

oxymoron = Republican principles

Robert Kinney's picture

Let me get this straight, the whole country is in ruins and one of them, Bush has been in charge for the last seven years .... And they charge the Dems are at fault .... wtf ? ...

needdemsinohio's picture

flamethrower @ 61:

3.5 trillion in added debt and these clowns don't have any real problem with that and want MORE tax cuts. Those poor little rich folks are barely getting by.

Amen Brother!

nonbeliever's picture

Ron @ 423:

Swashbuckler @ 412:

nonbeliever @ 409:

latinck @ 396:
LOL! Yeah Huck is pretty clueless or pretending to be...

Nah, he's pandering to the cons who can't admit that the U.S. was wrong...

There wre no WMDs and they knew it. Hans Blix was kicked out just before the invasion began. Here is a theory 've thought about.

I think that they invaded Iraq, not for the oil, but to raise the price of oil. Now of course, the prices are up, they want to steal the oil. Do you think for one minute, that if we had negociated for the sanctions to be lifted, that Saddam wouldn’t have sold us the oil? Him selling us the oil would have kept the prices down to $20-30 a barrel. Now, on top of ripping us off at the pump, they want to control Iraqs oil also.

Swash, I think we're in agreement. Him pretending to be clueless is pandering.

Ron, your theory is not so far off in that they definitely wanted to invade Iraq to control the spigot. Saddam was threatening to sell his oil on euros instead of the US dollar once the sanctions ended.

Temple's picture

We need the video of Romney getting answers whispered to him posted on CrooksAndLiars for everyone to review. We must make a big deal about this!!!!

Jeremy's picture

I found that the whispering incident was referenced on many message boards... notably, New Republic pulled the entire thread. There also seems to be a notable campaign to discredit the event as if it never happened, but, it's already online : http://www.justin.tv/ronpaultv/62347/Strange_Whisper__Romney_Raise_Taxes

coleshack's picture

McCain is Mr. Iraq
Huckabee is Mr. God
Romney is Mr. Corporation
Paul is Mr. Elimination
Rudy is Mr. Terror

Temple's picture

We need the whisper video on C&L!

Swashbuckler's picture

Ron @ 423:

Swashbuckler @ 412:

nonbeliever @ 409:

latinck @ 396:
LOL! Yeah Huck is pretty clueless or pretending to be...

Nah, he's pandering to the cons who can't admit that the U.S. was wrong...

There wre no WMDs and they knew it. Hans Blix was kicked out just before the invasion began. Here is a theory 've thought about.

I think that they invaded Iraq, not for the oil, but to raise the price of oil. Now of course, the prices are up, they want to steal the oil. Do you think for one minute, that if we had negociated for the sanctions to be lifted, that Saddam wouldn’t have sold us the oil? Him selling us the oil would have kept the prices down to $20-30 a barrel. Now, on top of ripping us off at the pump, they want to control Iraqs oil also.

Personally, I don't think they knew there were no WMDs. I think they believed their own BS. But even if they had known, it wouldn't have mattered. They didn't CARE if Iraq had WMD.

For bureaucratic reasons we settled on one issue, weapons of mass destruction, because it was the one reason everyone could agree on.

--- Paul Wolfowitz

The neocons would have gone ahead WMD or now WMD...

Cowboy Bob from Austin's picture

Looks like Bill and Hillary are the big winners in the Republican Debae tonight.

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