Straw, meet the grasping hand of Bush loyalists.

poor poor chris, he so hopes his (heart) mccain will win.

chris is suffering demential just like mccain.

there's no way mccain will win, he will be lucky
if his heart and temper last thru to the election in nov.

we want a change for America, truth not spin.

Chris Matthews is a sexist retard and nobody gives a f*ck what he thinks. [deleted]

The press hates Clinton because the Clintons give the press a hard time. That is their biggest mistake. America will never elect a man with such a lack of experience.

It is an important election not a spokesmodel competition.

funny,, anyone hear Tony Blankly on Left Right and Center this week? Devastating words about McCain.

IT comes about half way through,, seems he is despised by the Repubs, about as much as Leiberman is by the Dems.

http://www.kcrw.com/news/programs/lr/lr080201primary_roundupsuper

The same poll also shows him beating Hillary Clinton and losing to Barack Obama, both by slim margins

This is absolutely true. Hilary will lose to McCain. Obama can beat him. With Hillary, always triangulating, voting for obvious bullshit to shore up some mythical right wing of the Democratic party (viz. the war, flag burning, Patriot act, etc.) she would look at McCain and it would be hard to tell the difference, except she has a nicer hair cut.

Obama can win against McCain. Now that Edwards is out of the race (which deeply saddens me) we have to push Obama. He will look to new ideas. He wil provide a contrast to McCain. Hillary will just bring bubba along and it will be the same neoliberal crap he stuffed down our throats then, all over again, only now the govt is flat broke. Hillary will lose. She will bring every redneck shithead out of the woodwork. Obama - not so much.

Has anyone noticed that the Repugs are openly campaigning for Hillary Clinton? Their mouths are watering for Clinton to win the primary, they know this is their best chance to keep the WH. Can we survive more years of this lunacy? I don't think so. Please people, vote for Obama, let's take our country back and feel good about our government again.

Anecdotal, I know, but most of the independents I know who are for Obama put McCain as their second choice. Anyone got an explanation for that?

If Obama wins you can expect a ton of people to register just to vote for him.

If Hillary wins a shit load of old ladies will vote for her just because they want to see a woman President before they die.

If Ann Coulter is going to vote for Hillary I suppose I might see my way clear to vote for McCain.
Then I'll start snorting Drain-O and shooting uncut HIV samples into my veins.

As long as we get rid of Bush once and for all I'm open to any and all suggestions.

Tweakerbell @ 9:

The same poll also shows him beating Hillary Clinton and losing to Barack Obama, both by slim margins

This is absolutely true. Hilary will lose to McCain. Obama can beat him. With Hillary, always triangulating, voting for obvious bullshit to shore up some mythical right wing of the Democratic party (viz. the war, flag burning, Patriot act, etc.) she would look at McCain and it would be hard to tell the difference, except she has a nicer hair cut.

Obama can win against McCain. Now that Edwards is out of the race (which deeply saddens me) we have to push Obama. He will look to new ideas. He wil provide a contrast to McCain. Hillary will just bring bubba along and it will be the same neoliberal crap he stuffed down our throats then, all over again, only now the govt is flat broke. Hillary will lose. She will bring every redneck shithead out of the woodwork. Obama - not so much.

I have to agree. I work with grade school teachers (sadly, they're not well-informed...except about the "big tax rebate," which they're following closely and have already spent in their minds). Most are Democrats, the rest about evenly split between Independents and Repubs. My *limited and very informal polling* tells me: 1)yes, they'd vote for McCain ("'cause he's a war hero!"), though his age scares them a bit; 2) most don't know who Obama is (again, sadly), but those who do would vote for him; 3) NONE that I've spoken to would vote for Clinton, and many would relish the chance to vote against her.

And just for demographics, I work on a staff of 45, 41 of whom are women.

My conclusion, skewed as it certainly may be: Hillary loses big; Obama beats McCain, but just slightly; the economy trumps the war every time.

Bob in AZ @ 12:

Realistically, I think it's possible that St. John could beat Hillary - so many people fear/loathe or completely distrust her (count me in the last column) that a goodly number could probably be persuaded to vote for the "safe & sane" McCain. Yeah, I know he's a turd, but MSM won't hold him accountable (while they're constantly attacking Hillary). Once again, our national govt. may reflect the media spin more than reality. And that's the way it is . . . .

Sadly, I agree St. John would be formidible and could beat the much demonized Hillary. . St. John may have a suit of armor as far as the MSM is concerned. He'll just trot out 5 years in the Hanoi Hilton should any member of the MSM dare to criticize him. Of course, Kerry had the same hero aura, but he failed to defend it when T Boone Pickens Rovians attacked him.

St. John is terribly vulnerable if anyone dares to point out that he is just another Bushie. A permanent presence in Iraq, permanent trickled on economics, permanent suspension of Amendments 1 and 3-10.

Perhaps Hillary's projected showing is why she's being promoted by coultergeist and the rest of the blond PR team.

On many accounts, he is very much a liberal. Look at his immigration and enviromnental stance.

I was derided on another post for this opinion, but I'm honestly just giving you a Canadian perspective, so, take it with a grain of salt I guess. Hillary is hated. Period. If she were not a Clinton, she wouldn't be in this race at all. McCain? Old school. He is one of what is wrong with Washington when people spout change. Obama? Young. Unpredictable, so, voters not sure if they want to vote for him. The reality is, people spout change every election, but in reality, they don't want change because they fear it. So they will settle for Hillary or McCain because they are known, and represent old school politics. If people truly wanted change, neither Hillary or McCain would even be in this race right now.

15% Dems for McCain? What the hell?

AshWilliams, I can't believe that number either. So I guess some Democrats are masochists.

Cat Atomic @ 18:

The portrayal of John McCain as a liberal, or even as a moderate Republican is fiction. The suggestion that he could win against Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama most certainly is not.

McCain's actual record means nothing. He is *perceived* as a moderate by people who don't really follow politics, i.e. Independents. They'll vote for him in large numbers, you can count on it.

Independents aren't stupid. They're independent for a reason: usually a set of policies they like or dislike, or a particular philosophy they'd like to see or wish they didn't.

That said, yes, many view McCain as a moderate or maverick or whatever--because they're getting the same media-fueled misinformation that everybody else is. The question is: can Democrats offer up anything that will rebut that? A Clinton nomination vs. an Obama nomination pose very different answers to that question.

rend @ 7:

funny,, anyone hear Tony Blankly on Left Right and Center this week? Devastating words about McCain.

IT comes about half way through,, seems he is despised by the Repubs, about as much as Leiberman is by the Dems.

http://www.kcrw.com/news/programs/lr/lr080201primary_roundupsuper

McCain needs to be likewise despised by any "Democratic Party voter" thinking of voting for that slimeball. Liberals and Democrats need to despise Mr. McCain just as much they loathe Joe Lieberman!

Spread the news---and make sure you despise John McCain!

John McCain is a militarist and an anti-Arab racist, just like Joe Lieberman, and many in the media are!

Wow, is this the same Chris Matthews who up until last week had Giulianni in the top 5 power brokers for this election?

I so want a job as a TV political pundit! It doesn't matter how shitty their track record is, they always get to have the last word as if somehow you knew what the fuck they were talking about.

John McCain is like Bob Dole without the charisma. I predict that if he wins the GOP nomination, he'll run the same sort of lackluster campaign as Dole did.

McCain is popular among people who don't pay that much attention.

So, yeah - he could win.

tballou @ 26:

If they were really smart, Obama would agree to serve as Clintons VP for one term, and then she would serve as his VP. That way they avoid the inevitable downturn that seems to come with second term presidents, they both get to have the hardest and the easiest jobs on earth, and they both make history as the first black and female pres and VP.

Along those same lines, I hope they would both adopt the one thing, the ONLY thing that Bush did right, and that was to empower his VP. Not that he picked the right person or that Cheney did anything but evil for eight years, but it does seem a waste of talent to have a do-nothing VP, especially if they are one heartbeat away.

Unfortunately Hillary is in this for herself and no one else. She sees the white house as the "diamond ring" that Bill owes her for sticking with him during his presidency. She is not willing to compromise, in fact if she gave two shits about this damn country she would have realized long ago what a divisive figure she is, and she would have sit this one election out. She could have done her damn job as a senator, and realize that this election is too damn important to dick around with it. Alas, there is no snowball chance in hell that she will even consider compromising a single inch for Obama, or any other candidate. This is about her, this is her time to shine. Fuck the rest.

We are truly fucked, when we have basically 2 political families thinking that the white house is somehow entitled to them. From Jr. view that since his daddy was there, he somehow has some kind of monarchic gift to dictate what the rest of the country should follow, and this lady now thinking how she truly deserves to one up her husband.

God have mercy on our poor souls...

I heard Santorum is campaigning for Romney. Good old Ricky is leaving voice messages (robo calls) telling voters how bad McCain's temper is. Oh Ricky! I was wondering when you would slink out of the sewers again.

I forgot to add, that in the GOP side, McCain also feels he is entitled to the Whitehouse after compromising with Bush and his slime machine in 2000.

Didn't McCain run as a Whig in his first election?

If Hillary is the nominee, McCain will take the independents, and the republican base will turn out is amazing force to vote against Hillary.

I can't believe this anyone disputes this. The American public is the same group that RE-elected Bush in 04, they will pick McCain over Hillary in a heartbeat.

dharmabum @ 39:

John McCain is like Bob Dole without the charisma. I predict that if he wins the GOP nomination, he'll run the same sort of lackluster campaign as Dole did.

Continuing loops of old blood and guts McCain singing "Bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran." should work.

realclear @ 46:

McCain is already starting to spread the bullshit meme that Democrats want to "surrender" in Iraq, an illegal war. His loyalty to Lieberman is also very disturbing, a vote for him is a vote for the second great depression via Iran. May whoever votes for him on super tuesday remember the loved ones they'll have to sacrifice to fight a rich man's war.

McCain and Lieberman are jokes....the two are scared-shotless to go outside the Green Zone to this day, and even with that, need all kinds of military protection....yeah, things are going so great in Iraq that the Bushies and people like McCain and Lieberman have to pay off the Sunnis to have any "peace" there when the military is not dropping bombs that wipe out entire towns and villages. If you call ethnic cleansing and random killing with bombs from above as the "surge is working" and creating more refugees, then I guess its a "success." That scenario will run its course and things will get back to chaotic status.

I call it a loss for America in Iraq indeed. The goals of a democratic Iraq and a better life for Iraqis with free market capitalism has largely failed and for most Iraqis even 2-3 hours of electricity working is a luxury. For most Iraqis, as bad as Saddam Hussein was for being a tyrant, there had been law and order and basic services working there. For the most part, Iraqi life and things such as social services and basic things like water and electricity functions are worse now than had been during the sanctions regime of the 1990s. The promises made to the Iraqi people by the United States and the Bush administration and their sycophants like John McCain and Joe Lieberman have all but failed.

In sum, by all objective accounts which does not mean the United States politicial establishment or its lapdogs in the American media/press, yes, the American goals in Iraq have all failed miserably and have done so long ago. In short, America had lost Iraq by 2004 and counting.

I think any dem will beat any repub this time around. But then I couldn't see how bush could possibly win in 04!

Absolutely McCain has a shot at beating Hillary, despite his bellicosity. He garners higher points with independents and undecideds than Hillary. He is no where as polarizing as Hillary. And quite frankly the country is, and should be sick of the Clintons and the Bushes. Significant numbers of both Democrats and Republicans just don't like Hillary, for whatever reason. It makes no difference whether it's rational dislike or not, it's a fact. Even higher numbers of independents and Republicans will absolutely refuse to vote for her merely on the fact they don't like her, don't trust her, or don't like or trust Bill. This animosity plummets when these same people are asked about Obama.

Hillary vs. McCain means McCain wins by a margin.
Obama vs. McCain means Obama wins by a landslide.

Democrats can and very well may screw this up by assuming Hillary is the safer bet. The problem is, per usual, Democrats do not think strategically. They think just because they like someone, that anyone should like them for the same reasons, and just think the "other side" is crazy and dismiss them as irrelevant. They're voters too! Get over it! Time to leave the Clintons behind. It's old.

John McCain and “The Straight-Talk Express”

A Keating Primer

Anyone vaguely familiar with the political career of John McCain knows about the “Keating Five” scandal. For those not clear on the specifics, we’ll do a quick review:

· In the midst of the savings and loan implosion of the 80s, federal auditors begin investigating the practices of S&L magnate Charles Keating.
· McCain, along with four other Senators, meets with Keating to discuss ways to derail the investigation.
· McCain and his colleagues meet with Ed Gray, the chairman of the regulatory board, and persuade him to delay seizing the S&L.
· Two years later, regulators finally have to seize the S&L for a federal bailout, costing taxpayers $2.6 billion. In the meantime, 17,000 investors in Keating’s S&L lose $190 million.

For someone with a stainless “reform” halo, McCain looks pretty dirty here. So, what does the “straight-talker” do? Take responsibility? Apologize?
McCain defended his attendance at the meetings by saying Keating was a constituent and that Keating’s development company, American Continental Corporation, was a major Arizona employer. McCain said he wanted to know only whether Keating was being treated fairly and that he had not tried to influence the regulators…

Oh, well we have no problem, then. After all, McCain’s job is to look out for his constituents, right?
But Keating was more than a constituent to McCain–he was a longtime friend and associate…Keating raised money for McCain’s two congressional campaigns in 1982 and 1984, and for McCain’s 1986 Senate bid. By 1987, McCain campaigns had received $112,000 from Keating, his relatives, and his employees–the most received by any of the Keating Five…

Okay, so that’s pretty fishy. Still, I guess you could say that just because someone gives you money doesn’t make you best buds…
After McCain’s election to the House in 1982, he and his family made at least nine trips at Keating’s expense, three of which were to Keating’s Bahamas retreat. McCain did not disclose the trips (as he was required to under House rules) until the scandal broke in 1989…And in April 1986, one year before the meeting with the regulators, McCain’s wife, Cindy, and her father invested $359,100 in a Keating strip mall.

http://www.stopjohnmccain2008.com/category/keating/

The Keating Five scandal from 1989 implicated five senators in another corruption probe. Democrats Dennis DeConcini of Arizona, Donald Riegle of Michigan, John Glenn of Ohio and Alan Cranston of California, and Republican John McCain of Arizona, were accused of strong-arming federal officials to back off their investigation of Charles Keating, former chairman of the Lincoln Savings and Loan association. In exchange, the senators reportedly received close to $1.3 million in campaign contributions.

The Senate Ethics Committee concluded that Glenn and McCain's involvement in the scheme was minimal and dropped the charges against them. In August 1991, the committee ruled that the other three senators had acted improperly in interfering with the Federal Home Loan Banking Board's investigation.

DeConcini and Riegle did not run for re-election in 1994 and were succeeded by Republican Sens. John Kyl and Spencer Abraham.

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/indepth_coverage/law/corruption/history.html

heliograph @ 8:

Yes, McCain is a threat. He's been turned into a celebrity, via the media's mythologizing narrative that he's an honest, straight-talking moderate maverick, even though in fact he's a gruesome, war-mongering, corrupt, spiteful, nasty, twisted right-winger. Yes, he's a threat.

Enough people have already bought the media's "maverick" narrative and it's hard to eradicate that kind of conventional wisdom once it's taken root. Especially when Matthews and John King and all the other media sycophants can be seen yukking it up with him on a daily basis.

I've postulated in several threads that the media will rehabilitate McCain's maverick, independent image, while simultaneously hyping and pushing the divisions between the Clinton and Obama camps.

What better way to do that than to have Chris Matthews get yet another man-crush on McCain, and have Ann Coulter endorse Clinton?

I'm still worried about the way this is all playing out.

With the twin evils of the electoral college system and the main stream noise machine, McCain could well beat either Democrat.
The media elite are always willing to ignore the racist and sexist attacks as long as they come from the Right wing wackos. A clinton vannot even mention the name of Martin Luther King without being labelled as racist. But McCain will be able to deploy surrogates from Tweety to Goldberg to call Obama lazy, shiftless, smelly and terrorist.
Clinton would be painted with the brush of lesbianism, abortion, hormonal excess and robotic coldness without the press complaining.
Either candidate will lose most of the south, if not all, and the electoral votes, not the general election totals, are what we should be looking at.
The only way the Democrats win in November is if the Republican candidate is caught in a bigger scandal than America has yet seen.

No, McCain is toast. The only way he can win is if we start believing this crap and focus on the horserace rather than bringing out voters to vote Democrat. We're looking at in some cases 2-1 margins of the numbers of Democratic votes to Republican voters in primaries. When even Joe Klein knows it's crap, it's super-duper crapola.

I am an Independent who had to re-register to vote for Obama in the primaries.

For any of the 15 million people who marched against the start of the war in Iraq, there is no other choice.

Obama was with us then, and I think is the best chance now for ending the war.

Hillarys tears in NH were simply about her realisation that she had not been ordained as the next Democratic leader.
Its all about Hillary, and I am sick of her stance that change can only come from inside the government.
Bush shows us only bad change can come from inside the walls of power.

Obama thinks change comes from the people. Good change can only come from the people, imho.

http://dipdive.com/

Heal this nation, repair this world. right on Obama.

I think that mccain vrs hilary would be a vicious face ripping brawl. Both would get nasty and it would not be fun to watch. hilary depends on passive aggressive political tricks and plays every little game she can. The far right will swallow their hatred of mccain and blast hilary day and night. She will fight back in every way she can and her chances of winning are about even.

I think obama has the ablity to stay above the fray, remain dignified and beat the hell out of Mccain. Obama has terrific charisma and could garner a lot of the mainstream independants and republicans in a way that hilary cannot. The far right may spend more energy trashing mccain than demonizing obama.

Whoever spent 5 years in prison (whatever prison) has a twisted psyche for life. Any psychiatrist will tell you, that a person like that should not be the leader of the US. The problem is, the media will never invite a psychiatrists to tell them how freakin' clueless these people are and what a dangerous prospect they keep promoting. They see how sick this is and they should speak out. Come on guys, people like that have the dreams of Nam no matter how many pills they get. The nuclear suitcase should be as far away from the bad as possible -- at least there should be a provision in the manual for guys like that (meaning aged and former prisoners): "the codes may not be given to execute the order unless the mental test is taken and righteousness of the response is granted."

To the Obamistas on this list--you know, when you go on about how McCain would take independents against Clinton, and how Obama supporters wouldn't vote for Clinton, you further a right-wing meme. I was for Edwards. Now I'm agnostic--either is good enough. I'll probably vote for Obama. On some issues one is better than others. You know the score. So I'm getting sick of those so in love with the transcendence of Obama that they are willing to further the meme that if not Obama then McCain will or maybe even should win.

Versus Hillary yes.
Against Obama NO.

...or does McCain, a war mongering, anti-choice, pandering, flip flopping Republican who has capitulated on torture, immigration and President Bush’s tax cuts REALLY have a good shot at beating either Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton in November?

I want to believe there's no fucking way. I'll only go down fighting.

Nancy @ 57:

Corinne @ 11:

Has anyone noticed that the Repugs are openly campaigning for Hillary Clinton? Their mouths are watering for Clinton to win the primary, they know this is their best chance to keep the WH. Can we survive more years of this lunacy? I don't think so. Please people, vote for Obama, let's take our country back and feel good about our government again.

I don't know what source you have, but I think you have the facts EXACTLY wrong. Obama is being forced down our thoughts as if he is the second coming of Christ (or JFK, who to many may seem like Christ) Why do you think the conservative media is touting Obama? Chris Matthews who has McCain "in his heart" - he's been running Obama commercials several times on his show for free. His whole show is one unpaid ad for Obama. Obama will be torn apart by the Republicans. The Clinton's have been handling him with kid gloves - the republicans will not be so kind. I'm old enough to remember election night with McGovern,Carter, Dukakis and Kerry as our candidate, please let me have another election night like 1992 and 1996. Hmmm, I think the name was Clinton

Are you serious? The GOP and it's slime machine are chomping at the bit to go against Clinton! Of course they aren't going to lay down for Obama, but he's got a lot less dirt on him than the Clintons. Those who don't like McCain, will vote for him just to vote against her, including some democrats!

If I was one of tens of millions of Iranians who heard McCain sing "Bomb, bomb Iran" I would be real scared. Imagine being not an American or imagine America being like Iran in the desert, and the leader of the world's only empire sings to you a poem "Bomb, bomb, America." You'd look at your family and you'd be scared, would you. You'd also think what kind of man would publicly sing something like that, wouldn't you. Imagine the confusion in those people heads right now. Imagine the confusion when McCain gets elected in everyone's mind... EVERYONE'S!!

McCain has spent the last 4 years running away from his record and desperately pandering to the right wing of his party. It almost undid him, but it looks like at last it has started to pay off. He's going to get the nomination, and that relieves him of having to lean so far to the right. Going into the general, expect for him to reclaim the center, especially if he's running against Hillary Clinton.

If Hillary is the candidate, McCain doesn't need to worry about the Republican base any more -- they will turn out just to vote against a Clinton. He wouldn't need to be quite such a hawk, either, since Hillary is not in a good position to challenge him on the war. (She would be in the same predicament Kerry was in 2004 -- she voted for it before she voted against it.) In sum, he would be freed up to run a campaign for independents and moderates, among whom he has always been popular. If it's McCain versus Hillary, it's time for the Democratic party to start thinking about who we want to run in 2012.

I remember when John Kerry got the nod -- I thought, how can we be so stupid? Are we going to be that stupid again?

Shannon @ 81:

Karen @ 77:

redcat @ 69:

don't worry about the msm sucking up to mccain. they did the same thing to guiliani and look where he is. once olbermann, stewart, colbert and the internet do their thing like they did to rudy, mccain will end up in the same shitpile. the msm is irrelevant.

I hope you're right, but Giuliani ran quite possibly the most ridiculous campaign in the history of modern presidential politics. His absurdities were so grandiose, I'm not sure he really wanted to be president -- like Steven Colbert, he just wanted to run for president. To the extent that his campaign was genuine, even the media's love for him couldn't save him. The media is highly influential, but not omnipotent.

The difference between these two is simple:
The longer a person was exposed to Mr 911, the less they liked him. In person he is as vile as his politics.
McCain, however, has the powerful personal charm of the insane. His politics stink as badly as any Republican, but he smiles through the supposed straight talk.

Yep.

How straight? Ask him how he'll pay for anything he proposes.

Heh, only Democrats get asked how they'll pay for their proposals.

You can see that in the debates. Democrats propose health care plans, and questions are posed as though the "tax-and-spend liberal" labels are not only inevitable, but legitimate. They're asked to explain how they're going to be fiscally responsible, and where the money is going to come from. When the "moderators" don't get the answer they want -- that taxes will be raised on everybody like crazy -- they just supply it themselves as a "follow up."

When Republicans propose to keep us in Iraq forever, and to lower taxes at the same time, there are no suggestions about fiscal responsibility or how they're going to pay for the tax cuts. No moderator is going to ask which social programs will be cut at the same time, and no moderator will ever supply the answers for them to imply that people's lives will get worse.

I got 3 words for CM: No he won't.

BlueIndependent @ 88:

I got 3 words for CM: No he won't.

Yeah, not on my planet!

senlac1066:
most of the independents I know who are for Obama put McCain as their second choice. Anyone got an explanation for that?

Could be they're clueless. Do they get their "news" from CNN,etc?

karen and shannon: don't underestimate the power of colbert and stewart. after the mid term elections in 06 howard dean was on stewart's show and thanked him for all of his help, and he was dead serious. it's game time, have a nice day.

Mike Mid City @ 52:

dharmabum @ 39:

John McCain is like Bob Dole without the charisma. I predict that if he wins the GOP nomination, he'll run the same sort of lackluster campaign as Dole did.

Continuing loops of old blood and guts McCain singing "Bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran." should work.

I'm thinking of an ad. "continuous loop of him saying "I'm a drunken sailor" over and over, Then an announcer in a LOUD voice: "You damn kids get off my lawn". What do y'all think of that one?

AshWilliams Says:
15% Dems for McCain? What the hell?

It's the, get their "news" from corporate cable and NPR only Dems.

Tweakerbell @ 9:

The same poll also shows him beating Hillary Clinton and losing to Barack Obama, both by slim margins

This is absolutely true. Hilary will lose to McCain. Obama can beat him. With Hillary, always triangulating, voting for obvious bullshit to shore up some mythical right wing of the Democratic party (viz. the war, flag burning, Patriot act, etc.) she would look at McCain and it would be hard to tell the difference, except she has a nicer hair cut.

Obama can win against McCain. Now that Edwards is out of the race (which deeply saddens me) we have to push Obama. He will look to new ideas. He wil provide a contrast to McCain. Hillary will just bring bubba along and it will be the same neoliberal crap he stuffed down our throats then, all over again, only now the govt is flat broke. Hillary will lose. She will bring every redneck shithead out of the woodwork. Obama - not so much.

At this moment in time, Obama will defeat Hillary open handed... which won't hurt my feelings one bit because it was the Clinton's that has forced school uniforms on our kids in the same manner that Hitler did in Germany. Obama clearly brings a new face, new thoughts, and a new agenda to the table. And that is something America desperatly needs after the Bush dynasty! McCain offers NOTHING different and MORE of the same, which in my opinion would bring this country to it's knees! What I really expect to happen is Obama wins by a fair margin, and then seals the deal with John Edwards to be VP.

What makes you think independents will go to Mcbain? That is what the MSM is telling us, and They haven't been close on anything they have spred. As long as dems keep the fire going, and keep their eye on he prize, Mcbain is toast.

Gorgei @ 103:

diamondmc @ 102:

What makes you think independents will go to Mcbain? That is what the MSM is telling us, and They haven't been close on anything they have spred. As long as dems keep the fire going, and keep their eye on he prize, Mcbain is toast.

As an Independent, I won't go McCain...I just won't go.

That is if Hillary wins...sorry.

In my country, if any t.v. chatter-class host like Mathews ever pointed his finger at a guest, he'd be told where to shove it.

Dean @ 95:

Joe! Says:

On many accounts, he is very much a liberal. Look at his immigration and enviromnental stance.

Are you talking about John McCain as a Liberal?
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! Stop it!
John McCain's about as Liberal as Joe Lieberman.
Actually just to test your political persuasion
how Liberal do you think Joe Lieberman is? Hmmm?

Just liberal enough to keep getting elected in a very liberal state -- although i think those days are over.

McCain, in his own words, is "very, very conservative." His "liberal" immigration stance is the same as that of notorious left-winger GW Bush. It's all about cheap labor for big biz.

Of course, the Republicans could win, read the title of this blog! I agree with Hariett @48, we need to gear up to head off the way Rove and the other Crooks manipulate the votes, with their funny math i.e. steal votes, interfere with GOTV, caging votes, misappropriate the correct number of voting machines, etc. etc.

Then there is Gorgei @83, who is going to sit at home with his wife and let McCain have it with his blessing if Obama is not the nominee. The Obama people have been chastising the Edwards people for not donating our votes to Obama, but he is not willing to back the other candidate if his guy doesn't get picked. Now, isn't that special? I want to know where I go to sign over my votes to his candidate.

Another thing, watch C-Span on cable in the mornings for their call-in show. It amazing how much in-breeding must have been going on throughout the US. I know that is really unattractive to be so mean, but they make me so angry with their complete repudiation of facts. All they associate themselves with is the name 'Republican', and even though they no longer make enough income to have to pay any taxes, they are sure the Liberals are trying to take their money away via higher taxes. Nothing else seems to penetrate their brains.

Oh, yes, we could still lose, so get off your behinds and vote Democratic all the way!

McCain has already been chosen to be the next president. He will guarantee endless war. If you don't believe me wait 350 days. You all think you live in a democracy? Don't make me laugh. "They" will never allow a woman or black to be president. You are all so naive.

I hate to say it. I am about as progressive left of center as they come. Don't agree with 3/4 of McCain policies. But the fact of Bush-Clinton-Bush-Clinton for the last 4 presidents makes me hurl. I will vote Obama First, McCain Second. I voted for Bill 2x and I am glad. Don't see me doing it a 3rd and 4th time. I wants some new blood.

McCain might have had a slim chance with a few Independents and Democrats at one instant in time, but once he was seen in that photo locked in an embrace with the Chimperor, the straight talk express was seen to have veered off the tracks . He sold his soul and everyone knows it. Well, almost everyone...Chris Matthews is delusional as usual.

Well, would you look at that, the first time Chris Matthews has ever been RIGHT about anything.

McCain is too old. As the campaign wears on, this will become more and more evident. The economy is beginning to really scare people, and he has candidly said that he doesn't know much about such matters. He supports an uncommonly unpopular war and president. Yep, sounds like a winner to me.

McCain has already been chosen to be the next president. He will guarantee endless war. If you don't believe me wait 350 days. You all think you live in a democracy? Don't make me laugh. "They" will never allow a woman or black to be president. You are all so naive

McCain/Lieberman 08!!!!! Some of you need to get a grip on reality. To say that McCain is not a moderate is asinine. Um, lets take a look at who really despises McCain(besides you far left socialist), its the far right morons led by Coulter, Hannity, and that drug addict idiot on talk radio. Finally, you each have something in common. SOOOOO.....lets put this in a mathematical equation for those of you who don't seem to get it. a + b = c where a = hated by far left, b = hated by far right, and C = Moderate (centrist). McCain is the man for the rest of us. Those of us who are in the middle and don't buy into the party hype. An even better ticket would be McCain/Warner. Warner is a so called Democrat who was recently the Governor of Virginia. Remember his name.... he will be your president one day because he is the finest Centrist in politics and has actual experience balancing a budget while improving an economy all while working with a Republican controlled state house and state senate. Until that day comes......McCain all the way.

John McCain has tried to hide that he is a "closet Neocon". McCain was prez of the New Citizenship Project which initiated the PNAC (Project for a New American Century). If folks would wake up to his longtime connections to the most extreme of the neocons they will forget the spin that is being done to label him a moderate. They say repubs don't like him to appeal to dems and indies, and of course the repubs have no-one else so he gets all their votes too.

We are f&^%cked

Now that I stopped laughing, I can write this. McCain doesn't stand a snowballs chance in hell in November, least among Democrats. All the anarchist Democrats are supporting Ron Paul. These are the same Democrats that USED to like Mc Cain and now see him as "more wars and less jobs". These TV bobbleheads need to step out into the light and speak with real people. Maybe then they could get their facts straight.

The Republicans are going to need to show up at the polls in order for McCain to win. Ha!

hey!!!!were not talking about an honest election here!

The one democrat who beat McCain by a substancial margin in earlier national polls was...John Edwards. Watch while the "system" ie: the corporate media aided and abetted by the DLC continues to conspire to give us the weakest possible candidate to go up against McCain. We have already been guaranteed another "close" election at the very least.

I backed Edwards because he was the strongest candidate nationally. Now I will back Obama because he is the strongest of the two we have been allowed to choose from. I can only "hope" that there is nothing in his background that the smear machine can use, otherwise we will in for another four to eight years of republican rule.

We, as a party and as a people, need to start learning to resist the manipulation of media and polls and early primaries because we are fast losing any real power over our own choices politically.

Another thing I noticed while reading these post is all the liberals bad mouthing NPR and CNN. How long have you lived in the USA? This would be the same thing as the Jihadist saying Al Jazeera sucks or the republicans telling everyone fox news is biased in favor of democrats. And Chris Matthews loves republicans................maybe in the next life. Its official I have entered the Twilight Zone.

I hope that that dope McCain is nominated by the Repugs. His public pronouncements about Iraq have been so spectacularly WRONG and his history of bribe taking before he became a sanctimonious (and phony) "maverick" and "reformer," should give the Democrats plenty of Willie Horton style slams if they learn to play for keeps.

It's only funny if you are informed enough to know that it is. The sad fact is that too many people believe whatever they hear from these right wing hacks from the corporate media. By the time of the election the corporate media will have have praised the GOP candidate and discredited the Democratic one enough to swing the election to the GOP.
And the sheep shall blindly follow.
So get ready for President McCain.
As insane as it is, it's going to happen.

Even scarier when you factor in that electorally, Republicans outperform the national polls because the red states have a disproportionately high number of electoral votes per voter compared to high pop blue states like CA and NY. Even though those small states have but a few electoral votes , they have over the last decade had stagnant population growth comparatively. That's why/how Gore won the popular vote but lost (notwithstanding the FL fiasco) the electoral college. If a Dem is going to win in Nov, they are going to need to see at least a 4-5 point lead to feel comfortable at all.

24-28 years of the same 2 families in the White House

McCAIN’S PAST IMMIGRATION ACTIONS TO SUPPORT ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION

In just the past four years, John McCain has taken the following actions to support illegal immigration:

McCAIN: WEAK ON SECURING THE BORDER & ENFORCING IMMIGRATION LAWS

* 2006- Sen. McCain voted against extending the border fence in the Sessions Amendment (2) to H.R. 5441.
* 2006- Sen. McCain voted to prevent the border fence from being built by voting in favor of the Managers Amendment to S. 2611, the Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act of 2006.
* 2006- Sen. McCain voted to allow illegal aliens to receive Social Security by voting to table the Ensign Amendment to S. 2611, the Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act of 2006.
* 2006- Sen. McCain voted against funding additional immigration investigators by voting against the Sessions Amendment (1) to H.R. 5441.
* 2005- Sen. McCain voted against providing funding for additional Border Patrol and ICE agents by voting against the Byrd Amendment to H.R. 1268.

McCain?

... polls show him losing to Barack Obama

As it is writen, let it be so.