Scott Pelley of 60 Minutes lets McCain skate on his waterboarding flip flop
By John Amato Sunday Mar 09, 2008 11:00am
Is there any doubt that the media is in the bag for McCain? Maybe I should say---at his barbeques? McCain was profiled on 60 Minutes Sunday night and it was the type of softball profile we're used to seeing for Republicans, but when they brought up waterboarding----well then, it's time to at least be serious. McCain unequivocally says it's torture and brings up the prosecution of the Japanese and their use of it in WWII to make his point.
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Pelley asked him about American interrogation methods today. Asked if water boarding is torture, McCain said, "Sure. Yes. Without a doubt."
"So the United States has been torturing POWs?" Pelley asked.
"Yes. Scott, we prosecuted Japanese war criminals after World War II.
And one of the charges brought against them, for which they were convicted, was that they water-boarded Americans," McCain said."How did we lose our way?" Pelley asked.
"I don't know the answer to that. I think one of the failures maybe was not to listen more to our military leadership, including people like General Colin Powell, on this issue," McCain said.
How then did John McCain lose HIS way on torture? Why didn't he ask him the reason he flip flopped and voted in favor of waterboarding if in fact McCain believes it's torture? Isn't that the type of question that America needs an answer to? Howard Kurtz even brought it up on his show and criticized the media over their treatment of it a few weeks ago.
KURTZ: But another Senator McCain was on display this week, one who seemed to differ from the former prisoner of war who has made his signature issue out of opposing torture tactics by American interrogators. McCain voted against the bill to ban tactics such as waterboarding, saying he felt agencies like the CIA needed flexibility in terror investigations. Why has this received so little media attention?
“The New York Times” today has a story about this five days after the vote. “The Washington Post” did it yesterday. But most of the establishment media kissed it off.
McCain closes by saying he can win in November because he's a conservative Republican, but Pelley had nothing in the piece about the contempt held for him by conservatives---especially the talk show hosts that skewer him constantly. And what about the Hagee endorsement? Can't mention that either? Contact Scott Pelley/ 60 Minutes and ask them why these most important issues were either purposefully left out of the segment and why journalistic malpractice was committed.
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Journalism seems to be a thing of the past. Infotainment is the order of the day.
SCOTT pos PELLEY? NO WAY, MAN!
Sucking off Republicans is all they know.
Was this the same "journalist" who did the lovey-dovey profile of the new Pentagon Human Microwave?
this is the same POS that called the democratic party the 'democrat' party. fuck p(os)elley!
Hey, it's a perfect example of why I quit watching 60 minutes ages ago. Media whores.
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So, yet again, our so called media lets another slimy politician slip away. You would think this is Faux News. Why are our press so differencial to these jerks. I guess it is the money, and not patriotism. Sad.
This is what happens when you hire Communication Majors to do a Journalist job.
These are not interviews, these are PR displays.
Informercials at 3 am, with their staged Q&A and canned laugh track, have more in depth questioning than some of these so-called journalistic pieces.
The media's new mantra..."Better to be onboard, then on the water board."
Pelley also fed GOP talking points to Ahmadinejad.
I watched this last night in the hopes there may be some important direct questions posed. No such luck. Nothing new or important was presented by this 20 minute free campaign ad.
Our media is pathetic. Get that British guy in there who will keep asking the question over and over and over until he gets the answer or a direct refusal.
"Conservative Republican." Let's pretend that means something for a moment.
At base, what's the problem with conservatism? Answer: for the vast majority alive in this world today, life is disease, pain, starvation, poverty, and utter powerlessness -- you want to "conserve" that?
No, of course not -- only the relatively tiny minority with wealth and power want to conserve such a horiffying status quo. Conservatism is greed, conservatism is disdain, conservatism is suffering for everyone but conservatives.
Conservatism is a boot stomping on a human face -- forever.
The Dude @ 8:
Please don't generalize. I'm a Comm Major.
I went to school before the explosion of cable...my genius doctorate professor...this IS a true story...asked in class if there were 100 channels what would they look like. I said, there would be specialized channels for individual interests. That GENIUS said...no...you're wrong...because of the desire to maintain diversity and service a cross section of people...ALL those channels would like like the ABC, NBC and CBS networks of that day.
This was over 25 years ago.
Those that can't simply teach.
It's March. Who cares? They got him on the record saying waterboarding is torture after his vote in the senate. I'd just as soon tuck this away for October than let him test different ways to get around it now while most people are busy concentrating on what the Democratic Party of the future should look like.
A nice soft pillow for you, old man?
Imagine the events of 9-11 seen through the eyes of an 18-year-old Millennial, 30-year-old Xer, 50-year-old Boomer, 65-year-old Silent and a 85-year old GI.
The Millennial thinks, “I hope I don’t get drafted. But if I do, I hope my friends are with me. If they’re with me we can do this together.”
The Xer thinks, “See. We’ve been telling the boomers to wake up and focus their attention to the outer world and stop looking inward. We told you the government was a bunch of idiots, but you wouldn’t listen because you were all to busy putting us in jail for the crimes you committed, while society looked on, when you were our age. You were all to busy telling us that we must live by your values and values are what makes the human being, nothing else. "You guys are retarded!"
A Boomer thinks, “We must talk about why everyone ‘suddenly’ hates us. Perhaps we should change our values. We need to meditate on this for a while and come to some sort of decision.” While the other half of the boomers are thinking, “These people truly do not know how to worship a God correctly, let’s teach them how, by invading their country. It’s the moral, righteous thing to do.”
The Silent think, “Oh these poor poor kids. These poor families and what about these Muslims? We need to get the UN in on this and form some committees to talk this out. We must listen to every side of the story and get some research done to recommend some ‘fair’ solutions that will help and please everyone. There’s still so much work to be done, we aren’t going anywhere.”
The GI thinks, “Now they’ll know what patriotism is all about. The ungrateful little bastards got what was a comin’ to ‘em. But, now they’ll now what it’s like to be a team and be united as one. We’ll show those towel-heads what this effin’ country is made of! Nuke ‘em all!”
He wants Katie Couric's job when sh gets canned. Replace one air head for another.
Pelley is much more concerned about how pretty he looks in front of the camera instead of actually practicing real journalism.
Pretty is as pretty does.
The Washington beltway reporters know they have another potential Daddy-protector in John McCain. He will protect them from terrorists, and from having to ask those hard questions.
The Dude @ 8:
I'm a Communication Major. As you might gather from my comments around here, I'm not just an empty hat with no journalistic ability. And the station I work at is currently blessed with a news director who believes in journalism (he started as a newspaper guy).
We've had worse in the past.
It's not so much Pelley as the management who decided Katie Couric was the best choice for anchoring the CBS Evening News.
Dan @ 14:
You can bet that it is filed away for the appropriate time. Nobody wants to upset the apple cart until the right time and that time is in a few more months. McCain is a good candidate for the Democrats. The Repulics don’t like him and he is a loose cannon and he is way old and he supports the war like he is Bush’s right hand man and knows nothing about the economy.
Waiting waiting waiting waiting for a few more months. Let McCain stew and he will be a cooked goose.
Shadow Hussein GM @ 20:
Many Comm. majors posting today. I'm a Mass Comm. grad, emphasis in print media. Started with a daily, got disgusted with the biz and quit. Now, 25 years later I'm back working for a daily. Still disgusted. Reporters seem lazy and uninquisitive. Bottom line: same as it ever was- sell advertising.
goatsage @ 22:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMCiT97EYxo
Perhaps Mr. Pelley remembers what happened to Dan Rather when he questioned some of the republican statements.
We need change in the media also!
Hillary can't win without JIFFY RULES!
All I see is them(msm) squirming and stopping at nothing to ensure SAME OLD SAME OLD politics as usual OVER THROWS the will of the people.
Since when is it **Hillary/MSM '08**
Hillary SOMEHOW won the support of the MSM to the point they refuse to addmit SHE HAS BEEN BEHIND NEARLY THE WHOLE TIME!
She DID NOT WIN TEXAS!
She DID NOT WIN TEXAS!
She DID NOT WIN TEXAS!
WHY is MSM getting away with trying to steal TEXAS for CLINTON??? .
Do they think we have no way of knowing or researching the outcome??
They tell US the proscess is sooo complicated.... WE GET IT weather fossilized remains of what used to be journalists get it or not.
I just hope when MSM does finally go extinct and decompose they leave behind a vast fresh batch of crude to solve our energy crisis!
Captain Hussein Kangaroo @ 21:
Couldn't have said it better myself Captain.
After spending the weekend celebrating Bill Foster's victory in Illinois' 14th district special election I can't wait for the general election to begin.
"journalistic malpractice" - quite redundant, don't you think?
In that clip McCain never says he is against torture. So I see no flip-flopping.
McCain voted for torture. He has demonstrated through his actions that he believes that POWs must be tortured in order to defeat terrorism.
McCain argues that we made mistakes in not listening to our military leaders and McCain has shown his support for mistakes, again and again.
1. McCain believes that POWs must be tortured or the terrorists win.
2. McCain is pro-Mistakes. He is old and admits he makes a lot of mistakes due to age.
So where is the flip-flopping?
Let us not forget the MSM screed: IOKIYAR
This was like the perfect pitch I mean McCain strongly says yes it's torture, why would the guy even ask the question unless he knew about what McCain acctualy votes for. I think maybe the interviewer was thrown off by how blatant an answer John gave, I know I would of expected him to start digging a hole by saying things like well we have to protect and and and we need the help and it just seems like we would want all the help we could get and it has helped in the past and and and but a straight up Yes. I don't think anyone could prepare for that fully, however that does not excuse the ignorance of the reporter, for all we know he might of asked and that was simply edited out avoid having to watch the John McCain angry nervous chuckle of death, or is it rattle?
OT: The House Juidicary Committee filed a contempt suit against H. Miers and Bolten
in a Fed Court within last hour. Both claimed "executive privilege" and ignored House
subpeonas, so this appears to be only action remaining for Rep. Coyners and his
committee members.
Pelley is consistently uncritical of, or just sucks up to, people in authority, but particularly conservatives. Oh, and did you notice the "surge" was working? How pathetic.
23 L.A. Confidential Says:
Thanks for the Headroom- notice how much he sounds like Joe Scarborough?
- Goat Hussein Sage
the fact that a dem won hastert's seat in ill., which is a hard core repub district tells me more about the direction of the country, than some asshole on 60 minutes who tongue fucks mccain's asshole for 15 minutes. the msm is irrelevant.
Hussein AND Proud @ 13:
StevePam @ 25:
Did you take math in school? Hillary DID win Texas, so suggest you try and
refresh your math calculations.
Bush Endorsement = MCCAIN, ROMNEY
Bush + Cheney = 0 % CREDIBILITY:
UNDER INVESTIGATION FOR TORTURE. HIGH CRIMES AGAINST THE NATION
Bush Appointments and Endorsements = MORE OF THE SAME: CRIMINAL COVERUP
OBAMA'S stand on Torture:
http://www.barackobama.com/2007/10/04/obama_torture_and_secrecy_betr.php
HILLARY on Torture:
still searching.... http://www.hillaryclinton.com
but saw this page has been taken down....
http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/dc/2007/09/hillarys_torture.html
All the press-arazzi want is a good photo and a usable quote to sell.
bshock @ 12:
Thank you, I have nothing to add to this.
It is worth repeating over and over.
Doggiebobo @ 36:
Do some research before you respond to ME you MORON!
I STAND BY WHAT I SAID! YOU ARE WRONG!
It's a two step proscess and is NOT OVER!!!
Sunday's McAKA's
McNoob – still doesn’t get it that reporters can’t aaallways resist actual investigation and the ‘gotcha’ questions.
McBlind – even a blind man could see that chimpy and the turd can only hurt his chances with the swingers that’d get him close enough to steal another one, but not this idiot, cuz he’s ‘repuglicken blind’, where ya see whatcha wanna see, like a spoiled rotten child imagining he’s a superhero who’s just vanquished his enemy instead of the 6yr old who just beat his 2yr old adopted sister to a bloody pulp.
McCaint
McFuckYou- the msmotherfuckers love it when he talks dirty to them. If he gits ‘em hot enough they might even admit they’re stinkophants by accident.
McClinton – If Hillary is going to draw favorable comparisons between herself and McSame in attempts to denigrate Obama’s readiness, that’s a sword that cuts both ways…and if she keeps cuttin’ herself, she’s gonna bleed out. Let’s just hope she doesn’t get it all over the place and spoil our party in January.
McPillsburyDoughMan – boy!
Don’t worry; it’s not just you that noticed
that he looks like some pasty white, sickly ghoul
with pinpoints for eyes.
McScaryface bitches out reporter, Tee hee...
Other reporters annoyed inta actual reporting,
PRICELESS.
McClown - claimed chimpinomics was a wonderful part
of the Bushco show.
Mcinomics’ll just be the same act
with a different clown.
Not worth the price of submission.
McLame-o - can preach his version of voodoo economics
until hell freezes over.
He won’t be elected in November,
but he better have some ice skates
– he’ll be needing ‘em soon.
McEnlargedprostate - Run? He McCan’t even jog to the toilet
at the back of the bus. Better keep a Mcbottle handy…
McPisseslikeastuttererspeaks - had better be slow on the walk
and fast on the draw
these days
to avoid spotty performances.
Keep McPileing on McCainophobes! The current McList numbers 565 and the entire list will be updated Sundays or whenever the hell I feel like it, and links will be posted on McDamnthisisgettingtobeareallyfuckinglonglistalmostlikeafulltimejob and/or Open threads daily (owthIfli) as well as the previous day’s contributions.
“Shorter lists are funnier” generally holds true, and very well may re the McList. McCainophobes are diverse and eclectic, and I’ve enjoyed many lols, LOLs, LOL!s and Ha ha’s here. I’m reluctant to exclude any McEntry, ’cause they’re all funny/pointed/cathartic to varying degrees, and the sheer length of the entire list has a humorous quality of its own.
We are also generating denigrating McMemes, some of which may be useful, in a memie sort of way. The thuglicontards are very aware of the usefulness of denigrating memes, and it won’t hurt to put out a few of our own.
That being said, a Top 11, Dirty Dozen, etc. are considerations, for those (myself included, usually) who like things condensed to essentials.
Will update at my convenience or tolerable inconvenience on pertinent threads.
;-}
The MSM will spoon feed this crazy old jerk just like they did Bush in 2000. Most of the media is utterly worthless.
Is McCain senile? He was asked if Americans are torturing prisoners but he answered a totally different question about WWII and America prosecuting people who waterboarded as war criminals.
Weaseldog @ 28:
Weaseldog, time and again McCain has said he considers waterboarding to be torture, so he's flip-floppped big time on this issue:
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/13/mccain-waterboarding-fail/
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/13/mccain-field-manual/
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/26/us/politics/26giuliani.html?ref=politics
And yeah, he got let off the hook bigtime. The follow-up should be, that's not what I asked you Senator, I asked you if . . .
VOTE DEM... AND VOTE OFTEN...
in the interest of fairness, and with the large democrat turnout expected there has been a small ajustment to the 2008 general election...
Democrats will be voting on Tuesday November 4th
Republicans are asked to vote on Wednesday November 5th
As they've learned more about it, many people have come to understand waterboarding as torture. Like pretty much all politicians nowadays, McCain is just following public opinion instead of leading.
Oh, and Romney is no longer a factor.
KC @ 44:
I don't see it.
1. McCain is pro-waterboarding.
2. McCain says waterboarding is torture.
Where is the flip-flopping?
The Big Pile O' McAKA's
Updated (to Saturday), alpha'd, and somewhat defined...
There's 555 of them, so bring a snack.
;-}
P.S. Hope ya like the new location, J.A.... Thought I'd save ya some bandwidth and pretty up the format a little. I'd love an email if ya got any feedback, etc. ;-}
Perhaps Pelley asked tougher questions, but McCain told him his answers were "off the record"...
http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/03/08/carlson/index.html
Weaseldog @ 48:
He was anti-waterboarding before he was pro-waterboarding.
could i make a simple request to C&L and to the rest of my fellow posters?
stop calling it waterboarding. this is has been an effective PR move that has been swallowed hook, line and sinker by, well, nearly everyone.
call it what is, was, and will be: it is water torture. that is its historic name (why? b/c it IS water torture), and by playing by the pro-torturers rules and accepting their orwellian name change we are doing only the torturers a favor.
it is torture. not 'boarding'...
thank you, now back to your regularly scheduled thread.
Samson- @ 52:
It's McWaterTourture : )
KC @ 51:
Was he? Are you sure?
Or did you read something into his statements that he hasn't said.
He says the US doesn't waterboard. That is probably technically true. As I understand it, we pay foreign contractors to torture people on US soil. This is based on the theory that if you pay people to commit crimes, then you remain sinless. God, Jesus and Mukasey don't see through this trick.
But that isn't the same as saying, "I am against waterboarding."
McCain has said that Waterboarding is torture. He has said that torture is a crime that is prohibited under the Geneva Convention. But I've never heard him say that he himself is against it.
Ok, water torture. Got it.
further...
the other notion that water torture is "simulated drowning" is another PR campaign by the torturers.
it is not simulated.
it IS drowning.
that just happen to stop before the people die.
Flip-flop or not, this sure pokes a big hole in the "McCain equals Bush" argument.
KC @ 44:
McCain has lowered/raised/transcended or broken the bar for the flip-flop metaphor.
It is more of a flip flop blow-out. Like when your wearing cheap shower shoe flip flops and someone steps on it when your walking and the thing between your toes pulls out and rips the sole of the shoe and from then on the thing between your toes keeps coming out on it's own. Do you know what I mean?
He went from opposing torture to splitting hairs. What is it he endorses now? A two tiered torture standard? Will our adversaries notice the subtle difference in our nuanced metrics? Will it make our troops safer?
As a former enlisted Marine I have a lot of respect for Senator McCain's service to his country in uniform. He should take a well deserved retirement.
correct me if i'm wrong here... i only caught the last part of this "interview", but i noted the time at the end...
i recall that the OBAMA & clinton pieces last week were in that same time period... two candidates split the same amount of time as one?
i could be mistaken about that, but there was not doubt pelley was asking questions from mcSAMES's script...
what a sham... very disappointing... but not surprising...
StevePam @ 40:
Hey, no need to be insulting. My point being that the popular vote was won by
Hillary in Texas; being 1,459,814(51%) to Obama's 1,358,785(47%). The final delegate count for Texas, I admit, is still unknown, but
neither you nor I know for a certainty what that results will be.
Doggiebobo @ 60:
I predict Obama will come out with a net gain of 3-4 delegates once the caucus results are finalized. Great news for us Obama supporters. :)
Doggiebobo @ 60:
But you were insulting to me or my math without knowing what you were talking about! Just like the MSM!
To correct you again...you said "neither you nor I know for a certainty what that results will be"
Well neither does MSM!
It's a 2 step! How can they report she WON???
I STILL stand by what I said!
StevePam @ 40:
First, any valid point you had to make went right out the window with the all-caps and shouting MORON! (On top of which, it makes you sound entirely like Hillary. Lots of shouting.)
Second, if it's a two-step process that is not over, neither of you are right.
Everyone take a breath and step back.
katy @ 59:
So McClap-on got grilled twice as long by the intrepid Corporate Media.... right? /snrk
peaceful easy feeling @ 61:
Tend to agree, however, it is those "Super Delegates" who will be the ultimate
deciding factor when the Dems Convention is convened.
StevePam @ 53:
#566, and only 110 to go before we make some endtimer's watchlist...
Thanks!
;-}
Samson- @ 52:
Agreed.
Not to mention the fact that it is 'drowning' ---they just (usually) stop before the victim dies.
(... and also attempted murder)
P.D. @ 7:
Precisely. CBS is a large, multi-faceted corporation driven by profits and tax incentives. The executives at CBS will, therefore, support the political candidate who espouses policies which are in their best interests. In current American politics, that has been the Republican party.
Employees of such corporations will act in the best interests of keeping their jobs, which in most journalistic cases means agreeing with the opinions of said executives.
Hence, most media personalities will, by and large, put less criticism on Republican candidates.
Samson- @ 52:
Actually, "Chinese water torture" is different -- it's far more psychological than simulated drowning. Google 'em. They are two different things. Both are ugly.
Proud2bHumble @ 66:
Cuz they be a little behind... and I got the tired-as-hell-math, or it'd be 100 ta go, oops.
peaceful easy feeling @ 57:
Does it?
More War.
More Torture.
Bad Economics.
McCain though will probably be setting records on naps where bush set records on vacations.
Weaseldog @ 54:
The CIA has admitted waterboarding at least 3 suspected terrrorists:
Mr Hayden told the Senate Intelligence Committee that his agency had used the technique against three of its most important terror suspects, Khalid Sheik Mohammed, Abu Zubayda and Abd al-Rahim al-Nashiri, during 2002 and 2003. “We used it against these three detainees because of the circumstances at the time,” he said. “There was the belief that additional catastrophic attacks against the homeland were inevitable, and we had limited knowledge about al-Qaeda and its workings. Those two realities have changed.”
The above quoted from an article here:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article33212...
Weaseldog, please watch the video here, where McCain clearly states he is against waterboarding:
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/13/mccain-field-manual/
slippy hussein toad @ 69:
I dont think theres anything 'simulated' about having your lungs filled with water ...
... suprised Rummy et al didn't call it "Splish-Splash"
Shadow Hussein GM @ 63:
My valid point is more than a POINT, it's a FACT and you think facts can be dissmissed according to the volume YOU prefer???
I hope you never respond to me again.
Who the HELL asked YOU?? Read my post and you will find I AM RIGHT! If it is a delegate race and the outcome has not been determined then SHE HAS NOT WON and MSM said she did!
KC @ 72:
I watched the video. He never said that he was against torture.
He spoke about how evil torture is.
And knowing that he voted for and approves of torture in his deeds, leads me to believe that he is not so much a flip flopper, but an evil sadistic man.
Shadow Hussein GM @ 63:
Inhale- From Salon:
"The results of the Texas Democratic caucuses are still up in the air, and may be for weeks. The Associated Press is reporting that at last count on Thursday afternoon, only 41 percent of precincts have reported their official vote counts. That's after state Democratic Party officials had said they planned to release their last round of unofficial results Thursday night.
After winning the Democratic primary in the state, Hillary Clinton trails Barack Obama in the caucus tally so far by a margin of 44 percent to 56 percent. The caucus determines 67 delegates, while Clinton's primary victory netted her 65 delegates to his 61, so it's possible that ultimately Obama will come out of Texas with the delegate count victory."
slippy hussein toad @ 69:
nowhere in my post did i say "chinese."
waterboarding IS water torture, as practiced by the khmer rouge, torquemada's thugs, by the US against the phillippinoes, etc., etc., etc.
you are dealing with semantics, and you can give it a more nuanced name, or you can call it what it is.
it changes the ENTIRE debate, too, if people were to stop playing into their hands. right now the "debate" (phhpt) is whether or not "waterboarding is torture"... now, imgaine the debate as "is water torture torture?" a bit harder for them to spin the sheeple.
earl @ 64:
The closest he gets to bein' grilled is when they're blowdryin' his McCombover in makeup...hardly a cure for the McClap-on...
#567, tanky!
;-}
If you really want to know, don't bother asking (or, complaining to) CBS or Scott Pelley, just read this letter sent to Glenn Greenwald:
The psychology of "off the record"
http://letters.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/03/08/carlson/permalink/...
Which was a response to Glenn's saying:
Tucker Carlson unintentionally reveals the role of the American press
http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/03/08/carlson/index.html
StevePam @ 74:
I went back and re-read your initial posting at #25. Me, being one of those individuals
who rarely watches ANY of the MSM news(?) reports because they are soooo biased
and slanted, I am unaware that the MSM has officially announced/reported that Hillary
won Texas(as to number of delegates ), so could you please inform me as to exactly
which MSM(CBS,ABC,NCB, MSNBC, Faux Noise, or other) gave such a final prediction
and when? Like I said previously, I did see/hear that she won the "popular" vote,
but have not seen nor heard any MSM come right out and say that she had won
the delegate vote in Texas. Thanks...
The whole show was about disgusting people: McCain (who doesn't believe the government should provide insurance, but who has had nothing else his entire life) the lawyers who let an innocent man rot in jail for 26 years to protect their livlihoods, and Carl Ichan who is skin-crawlingly creepy, with a trophy wife.
Weaseldog @ 75:
Geez...he said he was against waterboarding, now he won't vote to outlaw it...how is that not a flip-flop??
Masala @ 82:
WHAT??? To my knowledge, any and all posting to this C&L site are permitted by
John, Nichole, Logan, etc. unless the comments are disparging/disrespectful, so
of what do you specifically refer??? The purpose of Blogs is to exchange, in a
respectful way, our views and opinions.
Doggiebobo @ 80:
I have a better idea...do your own research!
You are unaware, not I!
Every station is crediting Hillary with winning Texas!Changing the momentum with her BIG win in Texas, You know it and I know it!
Read #25 again...at what point did I say any MSM come right out and said that she had won
THE DELEGATE vote in Texas??? ***YOU SAID THAT***NOT I!
Don't play dumb and don't try to paint ME in a corner.
For the SLOW people I repeat..MSM said SHE WON and she hasn't!
I STILL stand by what I said!
StevePam @ 85:
So, as I suspected, you are just blowing a lot of hot air; otherwise you would supply
the information so that we ALL would be aware of what you allege. That is.."MSM
said she won and she hasn't!"
KC @ 83:
He said Americans are against waterboarding. He said it was illegal under the Geneva Convention.
He never said, "I am against waterboarding." He simply described how evil waterboarding is, then he voted for waterboarding.
Thanks for posting the email address for 60 Minutes.
The McCain interview is a perfect illustration of how the press treats McCain and how they will continue to treat him.
Masala @ 82:
Here, let me finish that joke for ya:
Bitter Tard Projects Sweet Irony With Deleterious Attempt At Trashing Host - Party Goes On While Joker Lurks in Mother's Basement Attempting Suicide By Cheeto.
lol, now that's kinda funny...
Doggiebobo @ 84:
Is this what you consider an "exchange of views in a respectful way"?
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NobodySpecial Says:
Sucking off Republicans is all they know.
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Proud2bHumble Says:
McFuckYou- the msmotherfuckers love it when he talks dirty to them. If he gits ‘em hot enough they might even admit they’re stinkophants by accident
McEnlargedprostate - Run? He McCan’t even jog to the toilet
at the back of the bus. Better keep a Mcbottle handy…
McPisseslikeastuttererspeaks - had better be slow on the walk
and fast on the draw
these days
to avoid spotty performances.
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Sigh Says:
Is McCain senile? He was asked if Americans are torturing prisoners but he answered a totally different question about WWII and America prosecuting people who waterboarded as war criminals
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earl Says:
So McClap-on got grilled twice as long by the intrepid Corporate Media…. right? /snrk
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Proud2bHumble Says:
earl @ 64:
So McClap-on got grilled twice as long by the intrepid Corporate Media…. right? /snrk
The closest he gets to bein’ grilled is when they’re blowdryin’ his McCombover in makeup…hardly a cure for the McClap-on…
#567, tanky!
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Doggiebobo @ 86:
I allege??? You just seriously typed "so that all are aware of what you allege"?
I should supply YOU with a TV??? Talk about hot air! GEEZUS!
Thats all you need, not a supply of "the information" (like it's some hard find subject) as you put it.
Seriously..you are retarded!
You must be the only person in the world right now who thinks the media has NOT said Clinton won Texas?
You suspected nothing as you lack the capacity!
Masala @ 90:
Your point(s) are well taken. What I meant as to "disparging/disrespectful" was
that the "Policy" of this and most Blogs is that we do not attack one another with
over-the-top disparging remarks. Freedom of speech is to be observed so long as
do not get into name calling and slanderist remarks between posters; but as I said
previously, Blogs are for the primary purpose of allowing each of us to give his/her
opinions on various subjects...tho admittedly in many instances, some should take a
deep breath before expressing.
StevePam @ 74:
No. But only a MORON thinks SHOUTING makes his FACTS more TRUE.
I see a lot of protests, and I can guarantee that shouting pretty much hits most people 'don't give a s***' button.
Sheesh. Welcome to the mosh pit, kid. I didn't even hit you that hard.
You are neither right nor wrong if the process is incomplete. That's entirely separate from anything the media says. You really do need to calm down some, and I think you'll find there are plenty of people who are receptive to what you have to say.
(Me, for one, as I detest HRC and am faced with the dilemma of a ticket of which she's a part.)
wow that is unbelievable..what a bullshit interview that totally skews the facts. how could mcshitstain-shame-insane say on national television that waterboarding is torture when he just voted for it..duh. great job pelley you fuckin douche. if clinton or obama do not bring this up in the national election they are totally retarded
Is it me are did a bunch of posters here lose an hour of sleep last night?
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Sort of on the topic: Why does John McCain allow Tim Russert to be on Meet The Press so often? No, I'm not dyslexic.
marshmellowmovies@90 has a point, Doggiebobo, but if he wears a realllly tall hat, noboby'll notice the respectdar concealed within, leaving room for just the rhombencephalon. I suspect most contards have some wiring issue or other...
"I'm not bad, I'm just drawn that way." - J. Rabbit
Shadow Hussein GM @ 93:
I am right for saying the MSM is wrong because the process is incomplete.You can't project a winner when one step of two has been completed.
YOU SAID "But only a MORON thinks SHOUTING makes his FACTS more TRUE"
For YOUR info I called that person a MORON in RESPONSE to what he said about me!
Listen MORON, facts are just facts and are are not made true or untrue by ME or ALL CAPS or you and your unwillingness to see or understand them!
Do you know what a fact is or do you think they are at your disposal if you do not approve of how loud or soft they are said?
I called YOU a MORON because you did the same thing he did, insulted me before you knew what you were talking about.
Well, if that's all ya got, marshmellowmovies, I guess I'd have to agree there's some pretty shady characters lurkin' round here these days. Ya gotchyer rovian ratfucker divide and conquer trolls posing as BO vs HRC supporters, yer reasonable falls equivocaters, yer concern trolls who 'worry a lot about the quality of discourse' whose goal is to bore people away and point out what a barbarian lot we progressives are...
Hittin’ the road, Jack,”and I ain’t comin’ back no more no more
no more no more”…
“Last word, freak.” - Melvin Udall
out
Proud2bHumble @ 100:
I'd fix it if I was anal, but I'm not so I won't.
StevePam @ 99:
The claims are separate:
1. Hillary has not won Texas. (Since the process is incomplete, you don't know that she has or hasn't.)
2. The MSM reported she won Texas. (Partly correct. She won the popular vote; if there is more to the process, why don't you offer that up instead of calling everyone who disagrees with you a MORON.)
So why not respond with the facts you are so enamored with instead of name-calling?
See above. All you've done is yell like you were some teenager discovering an AOL chatroom for the first time.
And if volume and caps have no bearing on the facts, why choose to portray yourself as a loud-mouthed snot? I mean, if I want to listen to idiots like Bill O'Reilly, I don't have to come here.
See above. Yelling doesn't make an incomplete process into fact.
And you have still to explain why the MSM is wrong in their projection. Do you live in Texas? Try telling us what the second half of the process is.
Nobody here is impressed with how many times you call someone a MORON, or how whiny you get about your "facts".
StevePam @99: You forgot to close out with.." I still stand by what I said"..
McWaterboardingIsTortureOhWaitNoItIsNot
Doggiebobo @ 103:
MY BAD!
IIIII! STIILLLL!STAAAAND! BYYYY!WHAAA....
JK ; )
Shadow Hussein GM @ 102:
rolleyes:
Step 1) Primary.
Step 2)Caucus.
Only a TEXAN would know that RIGHT partner? rolleyes
Shall I simplify for you??
YOU still need someone to explain why the MSM is wrong in their projection??
Why are so many offended by passion and emotion...are people impressed with MEALY-MOUTHED Democrats?
Ask Gore..ask Kerry! Not enough people took THEM seriously and ***NEWSFLASH***they were MEALY-MOUTHED!
I AM NOT!
I WANT US TO WIN this election and by being MEALY-MOUTHED you get IGNORED or PASSED BY!
The fact that I got so many responses is proof YOU HAVE TO YELL sometimes.
Why do we feel we have to be the MEALY-MOUTHED party??
Call a liar a liar! Don't beat around the bush!
If you insult me, I WILL insult you back!
If you lie about me I WILL call you a liar.
I am FUZZYMATHPROOF as well as UN-SWIFTBOATABLE because I AM NOT mealy-mouthed!
Now toughen up!
Bush = McCain = Bush
“Why Is This Bush So Happy?”
“Because Bush has found someone to promise a Third Bush Term and protect Bushco.”
From the Bush WH
White House press secretary Dana Perino denied last week that Bush and McCain had been longtime rivals. “Absolutely not,” she said on Fox News.
“And while I think that might be a good story line for some people to say, to try, it’s simply not true. And I would say that hasn’t been true ever, but certainly after they were competitors, then, in 2000 and 2004, Senator McCain went on to work his tail off to help this president.”
From Washington Post
McCain has also been a strong Bush ally, most especially in the battle to liberalize immigration laws and to create a path to citizenship for people living illegally in the United States. He has reversed himself on the tax cuts, saying they should be made permanent; he has become the biggest supporter of Bush’s troop buildup in Iraq; and he sided with the president against a bill — vetoed this weekend — that would have banned waterboarding by the CIA. Congressional Quarterly reports that McCain supported Bush 90 percent of the time in five of the first six years of his presidency.
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Proud2bHumble Says:
Here, let me finish that joke for ya:
Yeeeow!!!... Remind me never to p|$$ you off Dude!! :)
McBladderTrouble.
McIsano.
Maybe journalists should have to take some version of the Hippocratic Oath so we can REALLY sue them for malpractice.
McShouldhavebeenleftinVietnam.
McCain got away with murder on 60 minutes! How many questions was he able to skate around was an embarassment to CBS.
razant @ 115:
Wait til Bush/Cheney skate for the last entire 8 years ...that'll look like the Olympics Gold Medal final .... (and with George you can be sure it will be Special )
That's the second time in a month this douchebag Pelle has done a fluff piece for the right wing.
The first would be during the interview with Hussein's FBI interrogator. Pelle opened up the segment saying Hussein drew the US into 2 wars totally ignoring that weapons inspectors were on the ground up to 2 days before we attacked as reported by CBS news.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/03/17/iraq/main544280.shtml
It was a completely partisan spin to the facts and he gave us more of the same during the actual interview.
Pelle is a complete and utter disgrace.
there are no reporters left only suck ups for the money!
Yes nut gingrich is a big cause of many of Americas problems yet some people think he is an intellectual, I think he had an idea just good enough to screw up a country.
No different than hitler, or any other fool, that people put to much trust in!
As a recently retired US military vet (30 years in intel), I consider, and have always considered, john mccain to be a fucking bastard. I have many beefs with dems as well as repubs, but this guy is as phony as the day is long. He reminds me of an alcoholic on a bad hangover day, ready to bitch at everyone who doesn't agree with him. From his demeanor 10 years ago, it's obvious he's on a drug to mellow him out, for he's not said: "go fuck yourself" in awhile to another senator. However, why isn't the press holding him accountable for his: "Chelsea Clinton is ugly because her FATHER is Janet Reno" comment? And David Schuster gets smacked for saying the clintons are pimping their daughter out, but this old fucker (he's no frickin' hero to anyone I know) gets a pass?
Why? Does he like war so much that he'll make millions for the MIC, oil companies, and bastards just like himself, while we go through yet a THIRD needless war (Iran)??
Fuck him!
McIsano pimps his daughter out to the press.You will not here the press,say that.
He should be called McBabykiller.As fighter pilot in Vietnam,he droped bombs on women and children.The bastard will get whats coming to him in 08.
StevePam @ 109:
Thinking that the amount of responses you got means you're right is the same flawed thinking you have accused me of - that volume and ALL CAPS make a difference. Otherwise, Bill O'Reilly's claim of top ratings means he's right.
And again, if you clearly know and understand the process, why not explain it instead of calling other posters MORON? You've been asked several times, and your only answer is, "Shut up! You're a MORON! I'm RIGHT!!!!"
This suggests you have no facts, just a bunch of whining.
Yet you want recognition and acclaim? Laughable.
Shadowgm @ 124:
Recognition and acclaim? WTF are you even TALKING about???
http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/2/8/17340/43669
NOW I'm not calling YOU A MORON! BUT in the future if have any questions about what type LOOK IT UP YOURSELF!
I NEVER SAID SHUTUP on here but I am now..SHUTUP!
You want a fact?
Fact: You lack the ability to do a search on what you don't understand.
Don't be a mealy-mouthed thin-skinned crybaby!
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