There are actually some other theories: the Iraq War was really fought for Gum Arabic; or to support the Yellow Ribbon manufacturers.

I saw a professionally made sign across the back window of a Hummer (no not the newer smaller Hummer) that said,

"A soldier Died For Your Freedom Today"

Unfortunately he died
Not for my freedom
Not so this asshole could drive a Hummer

But

Because this asshole drives a Hummer!

Boy I tell ya, the more I speak with war supporters the stranger their reasoning for supporting the war(s) become. I'm still hearing the old "if we leave Iraq then they will follow us here!" When I hear that I think, what are these so called enemies? Blind mice? Do they need to follow bread crumbs or something? Because I'm pretty sure that most enemies of the United States can find the United States on a map and can simply go around or avoid the U.S. military if they so wished. It doesn't take a military genius to figure that one out.

Then, we get the old "if we leave all of Iraq will decend into chaos!" From my perspective, that is only one of many possible scenarios that could play out but no one knows for sure because no one can predict the future. For all we know and as odd as it sounds now, Iraq might decend into a vast round of clapping when the U.S. leaves. Stranger things have happened.

Joe O. @ 6:

Boy I tell ya, the more I speak with war supporters the stranger their reasoning for supporting the war(s) become. I'm still hearing the old "if we leave Iraq then they will follow us here!" When I hear that I think, what are these so called enemies? Blind mice? Do they need to follow bread crumbs or something? Because I'm pretty sure that most enemies of the United States can find the United States on a map and can simply go around or avoid the U.S. military if they so wished. It doesn't take a military genius to figure that one out.

Then, we get the old "if we leave all of Iraq will decend into chaos!" From my perspective, that is only one of many possible scenarios that could play out but no one knows for sure because no one can predict the future. For all we know and as odd as it sounds now, Iraq might decend into a vast round of clapping when the U.S. leaves. Stranger things have happened.

It is much worse than they, or even you, think.

America's enemies took control of the White House 7 years ago.

xoites defends Constitution @ 8:

Joe O. @ 6:

Boy I tell ya, the more I speak with war supporters the stranger their reasoning for supporting the war(s) become. I'm still hearing the old "if we leave Iraq then they will follow us here!" When I hear that I think, what are these so called enemies? Blind mice? Do they need to follow bread crumbs or something? Because I'm pretty sure that most enemies of the United States can find the United States on a map and can simply go around or avoid the U.S. military if they so wished. It doesn't take a military genius to figure that one out.

Then, we get the old "if we leave all of Iraq will decend into chaos!" From my perspective, that is only one of many possible scenarios that could play out but no one knows for sure because no one can predict the future. For all we know and as odd as it sounds now, Iraq might decend into a vast round of clapping when the U.S. leaves. Stranger things have happened.

It is much worse than they, or even you, think.

America's enemies took control of the White House 7 years ago.

And the people in the White House are the biggest enemies that America faces in my opinion.

i can't believe none of you dip$#!+$ have figured out karl rove's the joker in the deck.

he's the only neocon who's gonna walk clean.

How much is a human life worth to a big mining company like Revett Minerals Inc owners of the Troy mine.

The mine was cited for the violations last August, a week after a worker was killed in a cave-in, but the fines were not determined until this month.

Since the fatal accident, MSHA has issued 124 citations at Troy Mine, as well as 24 orders, which are considered more serious than citations.

Revett Minerals Inc which owns Troy mines is a penny share company with dismal earnings !!!!! on record copper prices up fourfold in five years.
Just another of the many companies suffering and paying out pitiful $90,000 fines for industrial incompetence and low maintenance leading to worker deaths.

bullfrog @ 12:

i can't believe none of you dip$#!+$ have figured out karl rove's the joker in the deck.

he's the only neocon who's gonna walk clean.

He knows too much, people in that situation when they are of no further use (post 09) and could be a gross liability or danger....

109 million reasons why public service is lucrative. well maybe it isn't public service.

road rage
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vwxAVZ6fJ4

Paul's Bunions @ 20:

road rage
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vwxAVZ6fJ4

I would hire that woman to ride shotgun with me.

john mccain, do you fear your affiliation with fundamentalist end-timer pastor john hagee hurts your chances to rally the youth vote?

also, do you fear the putrid aroma of a full poop sack might hurt america's chances at worldwide diplomatic success?

Tequila @ 3:

Your tax dollars at play.

Possible 5.75 billion dollars in fraudulent gov credit card use. ouch.

Out of a sample of purchases totaling $2.7 million, the government could not account for hundreds of laptop computers, iPods and digital cameras worth more than $1.8 million. In one case, the U.S. Army could not say what happened to computer items making up 16 server configurations, each of which cost nearly $100,000.

xoites defends Constitution @ 17:

Radically Moderate @ 15:

StirFry @ 9:

xoites, Yesterday I was behind a giant, obnoxious Ford Excursion . It had a big bumper sticker , "Think Green." The driver soccer mom threw her plastic water bottle out her window and hit me. I wish I had a video camera .

Sort of like the guy with a WWJD bumper sticker going road rage on someone for cutting them off.

I drive for a living. My advice to anyone willing to hear it is stay the hell away from anyone with a metal fish stuck on their ass. They are all convinced they are going to heaven.

I was behind a woman last month who was speaking in tongues and both her hands were waving above her head. She was NOT at a stop light.

good advise, I would also caution everyone to steer clear of anyone wearing a helmet while driving a car.

This is what happens if you drive without your hands and God is not your copilot.

God was my copilot once, but we crashed in the Andes and i had to eat Him.

tyree @ 29:

Radically Moderate @ 25:

tyree @ 21:

xoites defends Constitution @ 17:
actually the nice lady was probably just enjoying a nice orgasim!

hands free?...............wow, now thats talent............

thiers the new happy jesus cigerete lighter power sourced vibrator now being sold at the all the pentacostal merchantdise stores

Hey if it doubles as a "seat warmer" I think they have a winner.

SEE VIDEO and Help the antiwar efforts of Tomas Young and others

Promoting this film helps the antiwar movement. I interviewed Phil Donahue in this Representative Press Video, please help amplify his efforts and my efforts, get this video to others. It is important that good crowds show up at the theaters. WEDNESDAY, APRIL 9 the movie is showing in NY and Donahue and the co-director will be there. Spread the word.
See VIDEO: See Body of War, Hear Body of War * Part 2

I want Phil Donahue's appearance in my video to have been productive so I am really trying to get this video maximum exposure.

Bill makes Hill look like a flip-flopper
on "free" trade. More renditions from your unfriendly, unAmerican CIA.

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That picture of flying oil barrels looks like Cheney's screen saver spun off from the 1990's.

tr @ 38:

bill and hillary are greedy rich. bush will be collecting his payoffs too.

Back in the 1970's National Lampoon did it's one and only foldout. It was of Richard Nixon with shit coming out of his mouth and the shit filled the Oval Office.

There is no printing press on earth large enough to print a magazine in the dimensions necessary to depict Bush's shit.

I make it a habit to never even glance at a post that large.

Brangdon @ 33:

I hope an open thread is appropriate and that it's not a horribly tired question, but I've been getting about 25KB/s on crooksandliars for the last couple weeks, much slower than normal. Is this a change on crooksandliars, or am I a victim of this perfidious Comcast traffic-shaping?

I didn't visit much lately, but it happens when the servers are busy, or have hiccups.

Dear SITE MONITOR - what hiccups keep my posts UNPOSTED now??!! Can you check the fishing bowl, SVP ?

[You posted one post on two separate threads. I deleted the second one and noted it. The post had many links in it which causes it to be moderated. I left it up in the Lieberman thread-Sitemonitor]

CappuccettoRosso @ 46:

Brangdon @ 33:

I hope an open thread is appropriate and that it's not a horribly tired question, but I've been getting about 25KB/s on crooksandliars for the last couple weeks, much slower than normal. Is this a change on crooksandliars, or am I a victim of this perfidious Comcast traffic-shaping?

I didn't visit much lately, but it happens when the servers are busy, or have hiccups.

Dear SITE MONITOR - what hiccups keep my posts UNPOSTED now??!! Can you check the fishing bowl, SVP ?

Consistently, every day, every download, but just for the last couple weeks.

Brangdon @ 47:

xoites defends Constitution @ 35:

Brangdon @ 33:

I hope an open thread is appropriate and that it's not a horribly tired question, but I've been getting about 25KB/s on crooksandliars for the last couple weeks, much slower than normal. Is this a change on crooksandliars, or am I a victim of this perfidious Comcast traffic-shaping?

You may need to clear your cache (sorry, i can't help you there). I am not having any problems.

Firefox & IE both do it even after clearing the cache. Funny thing, IE started out at 200KB+ and then quickly dropped to the same rate as Firefox. I download a wmv from Gamespot, consistent 200KB/s speed. No matter what I DL from crooksandliars, though, it quickly drops down to 25-35KB/s.

I wonder if any other Comcast users are having the same issues? Would it sound all conspiracy-theory if I were to say, "he'p me, net neutrality!"

It's NSA.

xoites defends Constitution @ 42:

tr @ 38:

bill and hillary are greedy rich. bush will be collecting his payoffs too.

Back in the 1970's National Lampoon did it's one and only foldout. It was of Richard Nixon with shit coming out of his mouth and the shit filled the Oval Office.

There is no printing press on earth large enough to print a magazine in the dimensions necessary to depict Bush's shit.

i started with 'mad' magazine then moved on to 'national lampoon', then 'spy', and now the only humor mag seems to be 'the onion'. i liked lampoon and spy best.

CappuccettoRosso @ 38:

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CappuccettoRosso @ 46:

WoooooW ! What's the spam definition on an OPEN THREAD ?
And, # 43 is OK ?

['Spam' is you posted it on another thread already. I also noticed that you finished off a word with John McWifeAbuser calls his spouse. That word and a few other choice words will send your post into moderation-Sitemonitor]

Another possibility (of a myriad of possibilities) is you may have Ad Ware on your hardrive. These are viruses that track where you go and report back to base. Don't go looking for an Ad Ware protection program online. Most of them are actually Ad Ware Viruses. Go get one at Best Buy.

The Internet is dead long live the Grid

xoites defends Constitution @ 49:

Ron @ 45:

xiotes, welcome back. You had me worried. Where have you been?

I was very angry with 2b, who i happen to like. He has been exiled so i figured i would exile myself as well while he was gone.

[I deleted the posts that where he was signed on as other users-Sitemonitor]

I confess that I too was concerned at your absence. Nice to see you back and in good form.

[I had computer problems that night and wasn't online-Sitemonitor]

Ron @ 53:

tr @ 52:

xoites defends Constitution @ 42:

tr @ 38:

Back in the 1970's National Lampoon did it's one and only foldout. It was of Richard Nixon with shit coming out of his mouth and the shit filled the Oval Office.

There is no printing press on earth large enough to print a magazine in the dimensions necessary to depict Bush's shit.

i started with 'mad' magazine then moved on to 'national lampoon', then 'spy', and now the only humor mag seems to be 'the onion'. i liked lampoon and spy best.

Time to get serious. Subscribe to The Nation. No spin.

I prefer the Economist. I lost my entire and complete collection of Natlamp to a basement flood. I would rather have lost the family bible.

xoites defends Constitution @ 49:

Ron @ 45:

xiotes, welcome back. You had me worried. Where have you been?

I was very angry with 2b, who i happen to like. He has been exiled so i figured i would exile myself as well while he was gone.

[I deleted the posts that where he was signed on as other users-Sitemonitor]

I appreciate that, Site Monitor. But i was upset because anyone who popped in for a moment and saw what he said using my name and then left might very well have come away with an invalid impression of who i am. That is why i was upset. I am not a perfect person, but i am who i am and would hate to be mistaken for somebody else. Online what i say, right or wrong, is who i am. I am the only one qualified to be who i am and noone has a right to impersonate me in any way. That would include making me look better that who i really am. I am not angry with C&L, i just felt violated.

Anyone remember The Fabulous Furry Freak Brothers?

xoites defends Constitution @ 66:

Anyone remember The Fabulous Furry Freak Brothers?

Or Fat Freddy's Cat?

Glad to see you back as well, xoites. I haven't been around as much as usual meself, being as I moved to NZ and then my life kinda went kablooie for a bit, my computer is throwing wobblies as well, and my internet connections are intermittent to say the least.

I don't think anyone's ever tried to impersonate me on C&L. I'm not sure if I feel insulted or not...

Paul's Bunions @ 68:

xoites defends Constitution @ 66:

Anyone remember The Fabulous Furry Freak Brothers?

Or Fat Freddy's Cat?

Yes, and don't forget the General of the Cock Roaches in the margins:

"Sir! We just lost 80,000 crossing the kitchen sink!"

"Don't worry about it! There's millions more where they came from!"

Brangdon @ 48:

CappuccettoRosso @ 46:

Brangdon @ 33:

I hope an open thread is appropriate and that it's not a horribly tired question, but I've been getting about 25KB/s on crooksandliars for the last couple weeks, much slower than normal. Is this a change on crooksandliars, or am I a victim of this perfidious Comcast traffic-shaping?

I didn't visit much lately, but it happens when the servers are busy, or have hiccups.

Dear SITE MONITOR - what hiccups keep my posts UNPOSTED now??!! Can you check the fishing bowl, SVP ?

Consistently, every day, every download, but just for the last couple weeks.

I use the FFox2 and thru the Download Manager. FFox2 still has some 'memory leak' issues, ie. when you clique a lot and fast (I go always in 10 tabs simultaneously), even with cache cleaning it gets slow. Am told FFox 3 is better w/this, but it still is in 'beta' stage. Am waiting for the smoke signal from my comp-doc, who told me to wait a little longer w/ a switch.
My ISP has a speed test on their website - I usually do the F-16s top-gunning, and when it's done, one gets the bar chart speed comparison. It does get very slow when their demented eagle 'improves' whatever (or, NSA becomes a remora). I have to call then and share my speed-test results w/them. Usually they tweak it up for my particular account - I cannot do much if it goes lower than ~60KB/s.

nonny mouse @ 70:

Glad to see you back as well, xoites. I haven't been around as much as usual meself, being as I moved to NZ and then my life kinda went kablooie for a bit, my computer is throwing wobblies as well, and my internet connections are intermittent to say the least.

I don't think anyone's ever tried to impersonate me on C&L. I'm not sure if I feel insulted or not...

You kinda missed the April 1 fun. P2B got me dead to rights by impersonating a few regulars. I hope you'll forgive xoites cause I'm trying to persuade him to return. You've got to admit the sob has a sense of humor and he keeps our noble site monitors on their toes.

StirFry @ 75:

ferrofluid @ 58:

The Internet is dead long live the Grid

And I still remember the 300 Baud days and BBS's.

300 Baud. I tried to start a game company back in 1983 but we could not afford a 5 mb hard drive because it cost 2500 bucks. I went into Best Buy yesterday and they are selling one terabyte hard drives for $219.

Just an update on the download-speed issue: I spoke to friends in town who have Comcast, and others who have other ISPs. Comcast: 2 other people, 25KB/s. FIOS: 1250KB/s. Immediately drops as soon as people initiate connections, from a reasonable speed to that same low throughput.

And just to rule out what xoites mentioned, I get great download speeds on other sites of the same file type (wmv) but slow speeds from crooksandliars on all file types. Speed tests give me great download speeds from multiple servers, at least 1MB/s. I can maintain traffic at much higher speeds from other domains. And like I said, every download, only from this site, for a couple of weeks straight.

I'm a network guy professionally, and it seems like a pretty safe bet to me that Comcast, at least in Portland, OR, is (not necessarily for political reasons, of course) specifically shaping traffic from crooksandliars.

well p2b is good but i had my day on here when i was in my prime , and p2b will fade too, kind of like gunfighters sooner or later a faster one comes along,

tyree @ 82:

well p2b is good but i had my day on here when i was in my prime , and p2b will fade too, kind of like gunfighters sooner or later a faster one comes along,

Tyree, no one could ever replace you, so don't go anywhere. :)

Hey-up, xoites. Been long enough that a lot of the old names seem to have rode off into the sunset...

Seems like only yesterday I was blathering on about applying for a Master's programme, worrying about being accepted. Did it, got the degree, moved to New Zealand. Now I'm applying to a PhD programme here, just doing the paperwork now, then go for a scholarship. My supervisor likes my proposed thesis. So I'm aiming to educate myself right out of any realistic job market, be Dr Hamburger Flipper, PhD soon.

But New Zealand is lovely, been the longest, most gorgeous summer of my life, swimming in the bays of Auckland, travelling around the North Island. If your life is going to go kablooie, this is the place for it to happen, damnsure.

So how's by you?

hey-up, tyree! Good to see the Old Man is still around and kicking. :)

nonny mouse @ 86:

Hey-up, xoites. Been long enough that a lot of the old names seem to have rode off into the sunset...

Seems like only yesterday I was blathering on about applying for a Master's programme, worrying about being accepted. Did it, got the degree, moved to New Zealand. Now I'm applying to a PhD programme here, just doing the paperwork now, then go for a scholarship. My supervisor likes my proposed thesis. So I'm aiming to educate myself right out of any realistic job market, be Dr Hamburger Flipper, PhD soon.

But New Zealand is lovely, been the longest, most gorgeous summer of my life, swimming in the bays of Auckland, travelling around the North Island. If your life is going to go kablooie, this is the place for it to happen, damnsure.

So how's by you?

Fell in love with a woman i met on Crooks and Liars, moved to Las Vegas to be with her. I love her family almost as much as her and we are getting married next year (possibly April). Besides that life sucks. :)

nonny mouse @ 88:

hey-up, tyree! Good to see the Old Man is still around and kicking. :)

yeah nonny still hear , cant go anywhere anyway my underwears stuck to my chair!!!!!!!!!

Fell in love with a woman i met on Crooks and Liars, moved to Las Vegas to be with her. I love her family almost as much as her and we are getting married next year (possibly April). Besides that life sucks. :)

Seriously?? Fan-frickin-tastic. Always a sucker for a happy romantic ending. Just before I go suck down a bottle of Sauv wishing it were me, goddamnit. Mazeltov, and may you both be gloriously happy all the rest of your days.

xoites defends Constitution @ 93:

Ron @ 91:

tyree @ 89:

Ron @ 85:
famouse for it!!!!!! my trade marks screwing up words , you got to admit most of them could have been spelled that way!

One thing. I always thought that I was the faster gun.

Premature ejaculation is nothing to brag about!

You must be mistaking me for tyree. Previous comment.

It will happen to you when you least expect it. (My advice? Never expect it.)

Uh-huh. I haven't been expecting it for years. How long to I have to not expect it before it happens?

We are gloriously happy and it has only gotten better. Since the day we first talked we have never been apart.

Oh shut up. Now I'm starting to hate you. ;)

nonny mouse @ 98:

It will happen to you when you least expect it. (My advice? Never expect it.)

Uh-huh. I haven't been expecting it for years. How long to I have to not expect it before it happens?

We are gloriously happy and it has only gotten better. Since the day we first talked we have never been apart.

Oh shut up. Now I'm starting to hate you. ;)

Jealousy is not a virtue.

If only these guys were Muslim, the media, including CNN and Fox would be all over this like white on rice:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2008-04-08-polygamy_N.htm

Rednecks, evangelicals and the ADL would be moaning how "They're taking over our country and destroying our morals".

But since they're not, it gets a short mention. A blip here, a sentence there.

Brangdon @ 80:

Just an update on the download-speed issue: I spoke to friends in town who have Comcast, and others who have other ISPs. Comcast: 2 other people, 25KB/s. FIOS: 1250KB/s. Immediately drops as soon as people initiate connections, from a reasonable speed to that same low throughput.

And just to rule out what xoites mentioned, I get great download speeds on other sites of the same file type (wmv) but slow speeds from crooksandliars on all file types. Speed tests give me great download speeds from multiple servers, at least 1MB/s. I can maintain traffic at much higher speeds from other domains. And like I said, every download, only from this site, for a couple of weeks straight.

I'm a network guy professionally, and it seems like a pretty safe bet to me that Comcast, at least in Portland, OR, is (not necessarily for political reasons, of course) specifically shaping traffic from crooksandliars.

I'd be surprised. If it's only happening at one site, it's probably that site.

I just did a download exercise...I did the left click download (Open w/ wmv) and It started up with 855 KB and by the middle of the download, I'd dropped to 74 finally to 19 kb. and it took several minutes to download. I downloaded again using my download manager, Flashget, aided by the Firefox plugin Flashgot, and the download smoked in at an amazing 12,330 KB as the window closed 30 seconds or less later.

Ron @ 77:

CappuccettoRosso @ 74:

Brangdon @ 48:

CappuccettoRosso @ 46:

Consistently, every day, every download, but just for the last couple weeks.

I use the FFox2 and thru the Download Manager. FFox2 still has some 'memory leak' issues, ie. when you clique a lot and fast (I go always in 10 tabs simultaneously), even with cache cleaning it gets slow. Am told FFox 3 is better w/this, but it still is in 'beta' stage. Am waiting for the smoke signal from my comp-doc, who told me to wait a little longer w/ a switch.
My ISP has a speed test on their website - I usually do the F-16s top-gunning, and when it's done, one gets the bar chart speed comparison. It does get very slow when their demented eagle 'improves' whatever (or, NSA becomes a remora). I have to call then and share my speed-test results w/them. Usually they tweak it up for my particular account - I cannot do much if it goes lower than ~60KB/s.

You call the NSA? This conversation is done.

No worry Ron - just my ISP. And, they are NOT the NSA. Although my Euro/Oz contacts tell me they always hear 'funny noises' when we use the phones, which I don't hear on my side - and my hearing is pretty good ! These phone line 'noises' happen w/quite a few countries. Since 9/11 though most of my neighbors report much slower NET connections via anything, and also phone line funnies in overseas calls (we R in NYC, 400 unit hi-rise, neighbors from ~ 40 countries, we lost a few in the WTC, where I also was for many yrs).
Since we have also families from Tibet, with the torch propaganda fiasco, Chinese must have a special line to our bldg as well by now.
Unless they have a time-share w/ NSA.
Am very glad SF started the Chinese torch (NOT Olympic..) welcome yesterday w/Free Tibet banners on Golden Gate Bdge. We cannot be worse than Brits and dear Frenchies - even the mayor of Paris 'decorated' the Paris City Hall with banner announcing that Paris supports LIBERTE everywhere. Chinese thugs in blue tracksuits extinguished the torch, got on the bus ... Good riddance ..

Kafka @ 102:

If only these guys were Muslim, the media, including CNN and Fox would be all over this like white on rice:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2008-04-08-polygamy_N.htm

Rednecks, evangelicals and the ADL would be moaning how "They're taking over our country and destroying our morals".

But since they're not, it gets a short mention. A blip here, a sentence there.

It has been all over the news. Even someone like myself who avoids the sexy lurid stories like the plague heard it six or seven times.

tyree @ 89:

Ron @ 85:

tyree @ 82:

well p2b is good but i had my day on here when i was in my prime , and p2b will fade too, kind of like gunfighters sooner or later a faster one comes along,

I have always liked your spelling, LOL.

famouse for it!!!!!! my trade marks screwing up words , you got to admit most of them could have been spelled that way!

We all get you all right - so keep on spelling your way !! And, troll hunting ..

Jealousy may not be a virtue, but I've never made any claims to being virtuous. And to the future Mrs Xoites, you go, girl. Gives the rest of us hope.

In all honesty, I don't really care that much. I'm far more focused on... well... ME... to worry about it. My desire to find True Love is well down on the list at the moment, behind Get a PhD, Find a Job I Like, Sell More Books, Buy a Nice Bit of Land Somewhere in NZ, Build a House On It, Live Happily Ever After Into Eccentric Old Age. Maybe have a cat again. Oh, and a boat, definitely want a little 21 foot yacht. And I so want to place in one of the dance competitions, I hanker madly after one of those tacky plastic trophies.

True Love? Eh.

Maybe C&L should have a Lonely Hearts link like Trademe.co.nz, I can see the ads now...

'Short, miopic, unwashed SM with GSH, NS (except occasional dope), lives with mother in basement, seeks SW with Pamela Anderson breasts and Ann Coulter morals. Must like hairy palms and speak fluent Klingon.'

Miss Kitty@104 I don't use Flashget or Flashgot but it sounds like they would be well worth trying. Any downsides I should know about.

Yeah. I supplied the wiki link for that-if you get the free version, you have to allow a bit of tracking ware on your computer. I deleted it once after a spybot and adaware scan found it and it quit working. So I allow it. Some people consider it spy ware. When I get rich, I'll buy the damn thing and be done with it. There are other download managers out there.
What they do is strip the file into different parts and load the parts simultaneously. Flashget is set at 5 as a default, but you can change that number...

Ron @ 113:

miss_kitty Hussein @ 105:

I'm never expecting it. and it never happens. And when I don't want it to happen, it's absolutely the wrong person. And when I want it to happen, he never even knows I'm alive...

:(

But I'm happy when other people find it.

Miss Kitty, you know where I live. No excuses.

And I have a crush on someone who I suspect doesn't know I'm alive. But hope springs eternal.

Ron @ 119:

miss_kitty Hussein @ 118:

Ron @ 113:

miss_kitty Hussein @ 105:
Miss Kitty, you know where I live. No excuses.

And I have a crush on someone who I suspect doesn't know I'm alive. But hope springs eternal.

I have a crush on a lady in Oregon, but I often wonder if we will ever get it together. We're more like best friends.

That settles it. You are both invited to my wedding. :)

xoites defends Constitution @ 120:

Ron @ 119:

miss_kitty Hussein @ 118:

Ron @ 113:

And I have a crush on someone who I suspect doesn't know I'm alive. But hope springs eternal.

I have a crush on a lady in Oregon, but I often wonder if we will ever get it together. We're more like best friends.

That settles it. You are both invited to my wedding. :)

Let meme know. I would love to come if I can afford to.

Ron @ 122:

xoites defends Constitution @ 120:

Ron @ 119:

miss_kitty Hussein @ 118:
I have a crush on a lady in Oregon, but I often wonder if we will ever get it together. We're more like best friends.

That settles it. You are both invited to my wedding. :)

Let meme know. I would love to come if I can afford to.

I will, we will work something out. :)

nonny mouse @ 121:

Ron and Miss Kitty - sheesh, the two of you, go get a room already.

I know thay I can't afford to go to New Zealand.

CappuccettoRosso @ 123:

xoites defends Constitution @ 111:

CappuccettoRosso @ 110:

tyree @ 89:

We all get you all right - so keep on spelling your way !! And, troll hunting ..

I loves me trolls. :)

X - congrats to you both! Better ask Mrs. X- to-be before you start inviting the C&L-ers .. She might have a diff idea.. ;) The happening might get much tooo big, even w/out the trolls ..

I already have. We want to have the wedding outdoors and we want to rent a honeymoon suite in a Las Vegas Casino for the reception so everyone can drink as much as they want and sleep over very safely. (We of course will have our honeymoon elsewhere.)

Best wishes to you and your intended Xoites. Signing off. GNA.

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Peter G @ 127:

miss_kitty Hussein @ 118:

Ron @ 113:

And I have a crush on someone who I suspect doesn't know I'm alive. But hope springs eternal.

I shall implore The Flying Spaghetti Monster to intercede on your behalf. As an atheist it's the best I can do.

Does he do weddings? We need a non minister of some sort.

Maybe Dawkins or P.Z. Myers. At least the ceremony would be rational. The reception might involve altered states.

Peter G @ 132:

xoites defends Constitution @ 129:

Peter G @ 127:

miss_kitty Hussein @ 118:
I shall implore The Flying Spaghetti Monster to intercede on your behalf. As an atheist it's the best I can do.

Does he do weddings? We need a non minister of some sort.

Maybe Dawkins or P.Z. Myers. At least the ceremony would be rational. The reception might involve altered states.

Now if i could get Dawkins to marry us that would blow enough minds to be worth it.

xoites defends Constitution @ 134:

Peter G @ 132:

xoites defends Constitution @ 129:

Peter G @ 127:

Does he do weddings? We need a non minister of some sort.

Maybe Dawkins or P.Z. Myers. At least the ceremony would be rational. The reception might involve altered states.

Now if i could get Dawkins to marry us that would blow enough minds to be worth it.

If i offered enough alcohol i bet i would have a pretty good chance.

miss_kitty Hussein @ 118:

Ron @ 113:

miss_kitty Hussein @ 105:

I'm never expecting it. and it never happens. And when I don't want it to happen, it's absolutely the wrong person. And when I want it to happen, he never even knows I'm alive...

:(

But I'm happy when other people find it.

Miss Kitty, you know where I live. No excuses.

And I have a crush on someone who I suspect doesn't know I'm alive. But hope springs eternal.

Of course you would have to sign a prenuptial. I wouldn't want you to have to pay off all my debt if I move on.

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Ron @ 138:

miss_kitty Hussein @ 118:

Ron @ 113:

And I have a crush on someone who I suspect doesn't know I'm alive. But hope springs eternal.

Of course you would have to sign a prenuptial. I wouldn't want you to have to pay off all my debt if I move on.

You will die a batcheoler

LOL!

xoites defends Constitution @ 141:

Here is a better idea, Ron. Why don't you agree to get your mate out of debt. Keep your money seperate and go into bancruptcey if you have to? Then if you have enough time you can deal with your debt.

I'm thinking, I'm thinking, if there is a will, there is a way.

xoites defends Constitution @ 143:

My idea of a prenuptiual agreement is we agree to not sleep around. We agree to be there when times suck. We agree to vote our concience. Agree to tell each other when we screw up and when we do it right. Encourage each other to forgive our shortcomings and seek ways to be better at what we do and to find out what we can do that we have never done. We agree to smile. :)

Sounds almost Christian. Real Christian.

Ron @ 144:

xoites defends Constitution @ 143:

My idea of a prenuptiual agreement is we agree to not sleep around. We agree to be there when times suck. We agree to vote our concience. Agree to tell each other when we screw up and when we do it right. Encourage each other to forgive our shortcomings and seek ways to be better at what we do and to find out what we can do that we have never done. We agree to smile. :)

Sounds almost Christian. Real Christian.

I was raised a Catholic, Ron. You know that. There is nothing about being a true Christian i don't agree with outside of believing there is a God. The myth of Christ being the Son of God is what convinces people that they can't ever become "Christ Like" because they can't be "God." So instead they "sin." Some people are so whacked out about the whole concept they think good can't exist without evil, so they decide being evil somehow creates good.

Religion is a big mind fuck.

We inherintly know when we are doing the right thing, all we have to do is try to do it.

Ron @ 144:

xoites defends Constitution @ 143:

My idea of a prenuptiual agreement is we agree to not sleep around. We agree to be there when times suck. We agree to vote our concience. Agree to tell each other when we screw up and when we do it right. Encourage each other to forgive our shortcomings and seek ways to be better at what we do and to find out what we can do that we have never done. We agree to smile. :)

Sounds almost Christian. Real Christian.

Sounds great - I hope Mrs. X-to-be will read this post to 'hear' it again.
There is nothing wrong w/being Christian - it's American religiosity (not religion..) that really sux. And, it does not exist so messed up anywhere else on Earth. No evangelicals, no mormon compunds w/ 400 children 'shared' by all (in XXI century !!), no Bible belts, and whatever else.. Occasional nuts -yes, everywhere, but we ARE # 1 for sure in this category.

Ron @ 147:

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Ron @ 144:

xoites defends Constitution @ 143:
Sounds almost Christian. Real Christian.

I was raised a Catholic, Ron. You know that. There is nothing about being a true Christian i don't agree with outside of believing there is a God. The myth of Christ being the Son of God is what convinces people that they can't ever become "Christ Like" because they can't be "God." So instead they "sin." Some people are so whacked out about the whole concept they think good can't exist without evil, so they decide being evil somehow creates good.

Religion is a big mind fuck.

We inherintly know when we are doing the right thing, all we have to do is try to do it.

Well spoken. Almost God Like.

Actually i am still working on being human. It takes a lifetime, which is why i think most people want to believe there is more to come afterward.