Open Thread
One last (?) swipe at the ABC debate from MediaBloodhound, with the "untelevised portion" transcript:
GIBSON: But how wasted were you the first time you heard "I Am the Walrus," Senator [Obama], and did your psychotic drug binge -- which may have caused you to black out for days on end while committing unspeakable acts you don't remember -- add or subtract from your listening pleasure?
OBAMA: Again, Charlie, I'm not sure how this helps get Americans health insurance, brings home our troops, or fixes the economy.
GIBSON: I'll take your response as an admission that pot and acid do, in fact, make this song better....
STEPHANOPOULOS: So [Senator Clinton,] you admit there was no gunfire that day you landed in Bosnia?
CLINTON: Well, you know, George, I've already conceded that I misspoke on that issue....
(STEPHANOPOULOS brandishes a revolver and fires a few feet above Sen. Clinton's head.)
STEPHANOPOULOS: But you would've remembered that, right?
Open Thread below....
Better fire again to refresh me.
one thing's for sure tonight, benjamin franklin's rolling in his grave tonite after what happened in his state last night.
ed rendell might want to think twice before stepping out into a thunderstorm for a while...
How do these guys keep their suits so tidy and wrinkle-free when they grovel around on the floor licking the dust off their bosses' and McCain's shoes?
Stephen Colbert's "The Word" was great tonight - 4/23/08
j swift @ 3:
Well they get paid millions so they both own two suits, one for grovelling and one for misinforming.
what many of you now seem to understand is that corporate globalists put their money on candidates in both parties. this is not the simple left / right struggle you thought you knew growing up.
mccain and hillary are the globalist sock puppets -just look at their voting records, their statements, and where they get their money from. it's that simple. everything else is smoke and mirrors.
obama's the best choice left -if your name isn't david rockefeller, that is.
he isn't perfect, but no one ever is. not even jefferson, lincoln or kennedy.
but he's the best we've got, and he'll make a terrific face to the world after the neocon debacle.
hillary just isn't credible, because she drank the electric kool-aid -and i'm pretty sure she's still tripping her ass off.
Email from my Congressman Rick Boucher (D-VA):
bullfrog @ 6:
Actually she is not credible because she lied. She continues to lie. Her new lie is that she won the popular vote so far which would take electric kool aide, a fifth of Tequila and head injury to believe.
TAKE THE MONEY AND RUN, BUBBA!
america will love you for swindling your donors!!
xoites (Bitter Before Country Was Cool) defends Constitution @ 8:
well, i could've gone on, but amato doesn't like it when i eat up 6 feet of bandwidth...
bullfrog @ 10:
Here we go again...comparing band length...
xoites (Bitter Before Country Was Cool) defends Constitution @ 5:
Hell, if only I could bring myself to kiss ass that good, I could be a millionaire and have two suits too, (sigh).
So Gibson would've been right for once. Maybe that's why he so desperately needs those Capital Gains tax cuts. Been eyeing a gold plated bong.
Come to think of it, Gibsofascist doing bong hits and Stephanopadinejad firing off guns would've actually been entertaining, and just as informative.
Here is bandwidth!
Good stuff.
Folks need to lighten up and remember they are politicians.
Number #1 rule in politics, never, ever trust a politician.
3800$ for a new transmission for a car that isn't even worth THAT much. Hope they have a 'dollar a week' payment plan.
On the brighter side we won't have to worry about not being able to afford gas for a while. Or more likely ever again.
But seriously folks... take my license.. please!
*rim shot*
Night.
MargeAggedon @ 16:
Wait!
What kind of car do you have?
I have some ideas.
now that hillary said she's willing obliterate iran, bill should be able to line up more speeches at goldman sachs and the like.
xoites (Bitter Before Country Was Cool) defends Constitution @ 11:
xoites (Bitter Before Country Was Cool) defends Constitution @ 11:
Here we go again...comparing band length...
i'm actually a big fan of the two millimeter zinger...
two books i'll one day write, god willing:
"HOW THE LUNATICS SAVED THE ASYLUM"
and
"THE REDEMPTION OF KARL CHRISTIAN ROVE"
bullfrog @ 20:
Redemption hell, hoe about execution.
Ok, Marge has gone to freak out in private and i can't blame her. For anyone who is listening or has or will have a similar problem i have one idea that worked for me in the past.
Go to a junk yard and get a used transmission. Granted it is a crap shoot, but a hell of a lot cheaper than a new transmission. Get it shipped to a repair shop willing to put it in. You may say over 2 grand. If it does not work you can send it back, your costs will be labor doubled if this happens but still worth a shot.
xoites (Bitter Before Country Was Cool) defends Constitution @ 14:
His baton is not that big.
You may say over 2 grand***
***Sorry, i meant SAVE.
xoites (Bitter Before Country Was Cool) defends Constitution @ 22:
Shop around. She should be able to get rebuilt for $1,500 t0 2,500.
Also, i have never heard of a new transmission costing $3800. I suggest you take it elsewhere and get another bid or just call around.
My dad and I did just that to his Ford van. The first transmission was a dud, but the second worked (both were essentially free). He had the van for 7 more years with the same transmission.
If you have decent credit some transmission shops will finance.
As many already know ABC is owned by the Disney Corporation and last week the corporate honchos at Disney decided to send out their two best "newsmen" to ask questions at the Democratic Presidential debate in Pennsylvania; Mickey Mouse and Goofy. They did a heck of a job, too.
Orangutan. @ 4:
Yeah, it was a good one. The w0rd was funny.
i sure wish steven spielberg would throw his support behind obama.
it's no big deal admitting you're wrong.
heck, even indiana jones was briefly duped by dr. elsa schneider.
Almost everyone in this country is dependant on their automobiles. Without it we can't function: no job, no school no mobility.
We need free comprehensive Mass Transit.
Can anyone guess what one mile of free way costs? (Three lanes in each direction.)
Not that I watch American Idol or anything... but did you notice that the sound cut out completely after Ryan announced a message from President George W. Hoover? Could FOX have been masking a massive booing?
NAH!
xoites (Bitter Before Country Was Cool) defends Constitution @ 32:
a lot more than 1 mile of rail but i'll guess 6mil.
Well here is the answer.
$8.8 million.
Kyle @ 33:
If it was on Faux, they will crop anything that might interfere with their agenda. They think you're stupid.
Ron @ 21:
i genuinely think he might be a closet aquarian. the wicked sense of humor and the method behind the madness are what tip me off.
and, no, closet aquarian doesn't mean closet gay. in fact, i think rove's one of the only republican men in america (along with cheney, hagel and ron paul) who doesn't lodge in log cabins...
Whatever happened to those flying cars they promised me as a kid?
getalife @ 15:
exactly none of them gives a shit about you just your votes so keep on believeing this elections not allready rigged!
fiver @ 38:
Thankfully it never happened. I don't want to road(less) rage warriors going at it over my house.
fiver @ 38:
They couldn't get the plan off the ground.
Ron @ 41:
in those days folks didn't pursue bad ideas, unlike today.
Ron @ 41:
To say nothing of that joke. :)
tyree at 73 @ 39:
Has anyone heard about some of the voting machines not working in Philadelphia and voters being turned away? There were some reports yesterday morning, but I haven't heard a word since.
Ron @ 44:
Only in the black community.
Ron @ 44:
I heard the same thing. I also heard a judge refused to let the polls stay open longer in order for them to vote. No tinfoil hat but isn't it funny (not ha ha) that the gov was very vocally pro Hillary? Remind you of Ohio in 2004?
Kyle @ 33:
"Not that I watch American Idol or anything... " Surrrrrrree. :)
You're giving the typical Idol audience member (who bought a ticket and went to see/hear shitty music) too much credit. They stare, clap, and drool. that's it.
xoites (Bitter Before Country Was Cool) defends Constitution @ 45:
Well it sure doesn't seem like the MSM cares a whole bunch.
Ron @ 48:
Oh it cares alright. That is why it is ignoring it.
Ron @ 44:
Not sure, but this site loves to keep track of this kind of stuff.
There are lapel pins and Wright Reverends to talk about!
License plate frame on an RX-&:
"I'd rather be rotary then pist on"
Oops. RX-7
Guess I blew that one.
4/22/2008 Ballot printing error IN Microvote Shelby County. Candidates were in the wrong order on the printed ballot and the Infinity e-voting machine. After an Elections Board hearing requested by one of the candidates, the error was corrected on both. Story
4/22/2008 Ballot printing error PA Philadelphia. Backup paper ballots had Clinton's name, but not Obama's. Story Archive
4/22/2008 Machine malfunction PA Sequoia Northampton County. After four people had voted on the Sequoia Advantage paperless e-voting machine, election judge Craig Hynes realized that it had only registered one voter. He had to reset the machine. "We lost three voters and there's no getting them back," explained Hynes, "and at this point we don't even know who they were." Story Archive
4/22/2008 Machine malfunction PA Danaher Delaware County. One of two Danaher Shouptronic 1242 paperless e-voting machines was down at a busy Delaware County polling site. "About 50 people already had voted by 9:15 a.m. at the Temple Israel on Spruce and Bywood Avenue in Upper Darby, which is heavily populated by immigrant and first time voters. Many of those freshly-minted voters had difficulties using the one machine that still functioned."
In South Philadelphia, both voting machines were broken at 4th and Ritner.
One reader wrote: I got to my polling place before 7 a.m.; 2nd ward, 27th division: as the polls were opening, one of two machines for my division was malfunctioning: electrical problem.
In the city's Spring Garden section, home to State Sen. Vincent Fumo, both machines were down at St. Andrews Lithuananian Church at 19th and Wallace. Story Archive
4/22/2008 Machine malfunction PA Danaher Philadelphia. Both Shoutronic machines at 49 ward, 07 division were broken, causing lines up to 1-1/2 hours long. The voter reporting said that during her wait over 100 people left without voting. Story Archive
4/22/2008 Machine malfunction PA Danaher Philadelphia. Poll workers think a short power outage may have caused an early issue for about two-dozen voters in Green Tree. According to Debbie Moskala, some voters had to use paper ballots to cast their vote because of a glitch with one of the machines at the Marian Manor senior living facility. When we first started voting this morning, one machine wouldn't work," Moskala told KDKA. Story Archive
4/22/2008 Machine malfunction PA Danaher Philadelphia. Both Shouptronic paperless e-voting machines were broken at a polling place near 12th and Grange Streets in the Olney section of Philadelphia. Long lines formed, and mary voters reported left. "Some voters said they were told the power went down and a technician was needed to get the machines to function." (When both machines are broken in a polling place, voters are allowed to cast a provisional ballot on paper.) Story Archive
4/22/2008 Machine malfunction PA Danaher Bucks County. Shouptronic paperless e-voting machines. "Voters waited in long lines Tuesday morning at the Village of Pennbrook in Falls while poll workers spent an hour and a half working to get two downed machines up and running." In one case, "a voter casting a write-in vote failed to close the write-in door and caused the other machine to jam up," according to Falls Republican Committeeman Kennan Haley. Story Archive
4/22/2008 Machine malfunction PA Philadelphia. Voter Action asked a Philadelphia judge to extend poll hours until 10 p.m. because of delays caused by machine malfunctions. One Richard Brown, of the 5700 block of N. 12th Street in Philadelphia, swore an affidavit that both voting machines at his polling place were broken when he arrived there at 6:55 a.m. It took nearly two hours for the machines to be either repaired or replaced, according to Brown's affidavit, and more than an hour for election officials to produce paper provisional ballots. Roughly 75-100 would-be voters left before that, according to Brown's affidavit. Story Archive
4/22/2008 Machine malfunction PA Danaher State-wide. Voter-protection groups have logged some 750 voter complaints across the state today, including at least 150 about malfunctioning machines.
For example: Voters at a polling place in the 49th Ward near the Fern Rock station had to wait two hours because of machine malfunctions, said Kathryn Bookvar, an attorney with the Advancement Project, based in Washington, who was in Philadelphia to monitor the election. Machine problems also were reported in West Oak Lane; Upper Darby, Delaware County, and Elkins Park, Montgomery County. Story Archive
4/22/2008 Malfeasance PA Philadelphia. In violation of the law, a sample ballot urging voters to support Hillary Clinton, Bob Brady, John Dougherty and William F. Keller was handed to voters inside the polling place at First Ward, 8th Division. Story Archive
4/22/2008 Poor design PA Sequoia Northampton County. Confusing ballot on the Sequoia Advantage. Delegates under the Democratic Presidential candidates are listed in tiny print AND don't necessarily support the candidate they are listed under. One voter reports: "In the lightest italic, smallest print under the delegates .... It states who they are committed to. And it is the tiniest print in the whole space, and they're mixed. Had I not read the sample ballot, I wouldn't have known. I would've voted for all the wrong people," Story Archive
4/22/2008 Provisional ballots PA Philadelphia. Many reports of voters who switched parties and whose names did not appear on the rolls of the new party. In some instances, voters whose names were missing were not being offered provisional ballots. Story Archive
4/22/2008 Registration errors PA Philadelphia & Montgomery Counties. Longtime Democrats in both Philadelphia and Lower Merion Township who arrive at their polling places to find that they are registered in the poll book as Independents. Independents can only vote on ballot questions, not for presidential primary candidates. Story Archive
4/22/2008 Registration errors PA Philadelphia. "Numerous" registration snafus were reported to the Committee of Seventy, said its election coordinator John David. The bulk of those complaints have come from voters who switched parties and whose names did not appear on the rolls of the new party. The city has been inundated with calls, said David, adding: "It's swamping the voter-registration office." Story Archive
4/22/2008 Voter intimidation PA A constable working the Bethesda Presbyterian Church polling place was allegedly not letting supporters of Obama inside to vote and ordering those there to leave. A court order for City Ward 13, District 8 told election officials there to "refrain from discouraging or prohibiting, in any way, any elector from entering the polling place." Story Archive
Man, you've got one hell of a memory x.
fiver @ 50:
Thank you for the link. Now does anyone believe that Clinton won?
fiver @ 55:
Not sure what you are refering to but it seems to work now and then if i remember correctly.
xoites (Bitter Before Country Was Cool) defends Constitution @ 57:
Great memory of how to copy and paste. Good job.
xoites (Bitter Before Country Was Cool) defends Constitution @ 8:
hillary is a bald face liar. she can lie without a conscience without fear and without worrying. It's fine with her and her family and her campaign.
hillary is out to destroy the dem party. she sides with the right way too much.
hillary is losing on all counts but she refuses to acknowledge defeat.
I'm tired of this silly hillary's charade. Stop the madness.
Go Obama!
Go USA!
Ron @ 56:
Yeah, but how is 9.2% double digits? Does 1.2% count as double digits as well?
X, I was talking about your post @ 54 and wondering where you got it from.
The Supreme Court continues to undermine
the Fourth Amendment. McCain hates
women seeking remedies for not getting paid the same as men. The EPA continues to be turned into a political
organization. Pakistan gives up
on Osama.
Ron @ 58:
Thank you, it took me three days to memorize that!
I just can't remember when...
tr @ 18:
Shhh, we don't Iran to think Hillary would obliterate them.
xoites (Bitter Before Country Was Cool) defends Constitution @ 62:
Tell fiver that. Ahh hell, tell him how to do it.
Tequila @ 61:
That decision means the police can now unlawfully arrest anyone and upon finding evidence of a crime during a subsequent search convict and imprison anyone in the country at any time.
We have lost it.
The Supremes should be impeached and imprisioned. In fact an unlawful arrest should be done immeadiately in order to collect evidence!
xoites (Bitter Before Country Was Cool) defends Constitution @ 66:
How about preemptively arresting the Supremes for thought crimes.
xoites (Bitter Before Country Was Cool) defends Constitution @ 66:
Are they still together as a group?
Leslie [Bitter Elitist Hussein] @ 67:
Sounds unlawful enough to me!
OMG.
Hundreds of soldiers are fishings in Baghdad. chimpy steals their land, kills anything moving, decimated the country, erected a giant fort on prime real estate, now they are taking their fish. Iraqis are in ruins, starving and scared, but they fish. (via h&C)
This gives me the willies.
Ron @ 68:
Yes. Five of them are.
xoites (Bitter Before Country Was Cool) defends Constitution @ 66:
It's not that bad. It was a state law that prohibited arrest (and search subsequent to arrest) for this minor infraction. Even Ginsberg noted that state law can't define what is permissible under the US Constitution. It still stinks, but it's not as bad as what's probably down the road.
fiver @ 72:
Read it again.
"The Supreme Court affirmed Wednesday that police have the power to conduct searches and seize evidence, even when done during an arrest that turns out to have violated state law."
Someone should arrest Dick and George and LOOK everywhere!
Just a couple random thoughts ~ the pundits keep asking why hasn't Obama closed the deal. The real question should be, why hasn't HRC closed the deal? She was the clear favorite from day one, had hubby's ready made political machine & political donors list given to her on a silver platter. Name recognition unequal in political history imo & yet she's losing to newcomer Obama & yes he is outspending her, he has more money why because he is the better candidate & run the better campaign by far. HRC planned to win Iowa & coast, but she came in third, oops! Also, she had no plan after super Tuesday which was supposed to be her coronation, again, oops! How humiliating for all of HRC's troops when she inevitably gives up the ghost!
& fox noise should just declare themselves a 527 group for HRC & McBush. When Rendell & McAuliffe etc. are calling fixed noise fair & balanced, you know there's been a glitch in the time/warp continuum. HRC's handlers er apologists/sheep have been appearing on fixed noise 24/7 for a couple mos. now lol hmm, can you say desperation! & once the general election starts fixed noise will just be preaching to the choir, as always.
carry on
xoites (Bitter Before Country Was Cool) defends Constitution @ 73:
That's the key. The search violated Virginia law, not Constitutional protections. Under the Fourth Amendment, a search subsequent to arrest for law breaking is proper. The Virginia law gave its citizens protection from arrest for minor infractions, but the Court held that states had no power to expand federal Fourth Amendment protections.
It stinks, but wait till they try to get rid of the exclusionary rule altogether.
Well its been fun watching the final embers smolder away on our democracy with you.
GNA!
Murdoch is into hacking.
The DOJ is deaf to the law.
Oops. should have said "the arrest violated" not "the search violated"
when i was at work today, i was thinking about how i would come home and lay out in painstaking detail on crooks and liars not only who i am, but how i think, and what my political strategy has been, particularly in the last ten days. yeah, i know, annoying and gratuitous for those who tire of my amphibious rantings.
but the idea was that i'd just lay it all out.
our country was overthrown in the shadows, so i thought it might be novel to not only telegraph her resurrection to her captors, but to let the rats know exactly what's going to get them.
but then i went to my favorite chinese restaurant during lunch break, and, i shit you not, my fortune cookie read: "keep your plans secret for now." usually, confucious or whoever writes all this advice just tells me vague, optimistic sayings, y'know, stuff that's suitable for anyone.
well, those of you who know me know i spare no expense disparaging the chinese government -for good reason, they're total scumbags.
but the chinese people are fine folk. and so, today, i'll listen to my fortune cookie.
you're just going to have to hear my whole spiel another day. maybe memorial day weekend, after that new indy flick hits theatres.
but i will say this. most everything i post is multi-layered. at least, that's how i try to do it.
i will tell y'all one thing you don't know: every comment i post is a secret love letter to the gal i lost over five years ago, on the same day my best buddy tried to kill himself and damn near succeeded. it was also the day the illegal war of aggression in iraq began.
so, this gal, who shall remain nameless... she's out there reading, although she's to shy to comment. she's who i've dedicated my entire effort to, although my psychedelic counselor hunter s. thompson's a close second.
it's all been for you h.
come on baby kiss that frog
xoites (Bitter Before Country Was Cool) defends Constitution @ 77:
GN X.
Time for me too. GNA
But you would’ve remembered that, right?
Ha!
“One last (?)”—> Why one last? Take as many as you like. They should be ashamed.
12 j swift Says: xoites (Bitter Before Country Was Cool) defends Constitution @ 5:
j swift @ 3:
Hell, if only I could bring myself to kiss ass that good, I could be a millionaire and have two suits too, (sigh).
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But you wouldn't sleep at night. You'd be a fraud. And, people like me, and maybe your own children, wouldn't respect you. Maybe you wouldn't even respect yourself.
44 Ron Says:
Has anyone heard about some of the voting machines not working in Philadelphia and voters being turned away? There were some reports yesterday morning, but I haven’t heard a word since.
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Move along now. Nothing to see here.
(PS I liked your joke @ 41)
Media Reform is probably the most important issue (See Video) Look how US mainstream media is basically ignoring the news that the 15 British sailors detained by Iran last year were not in Iraqi waters (this is just the latest example of US mainstream media malpractice) Help spread the word, send this link to everyone you can.
Jon Stewart catalogued some of Hill's flip flops (he didnt however chronicle her Osama ad or her outright lies)..
I wonder if he hates all women or he doesn't like strong women.. what do you think Nicole?
I think Jon just doesn't like strong women and is particularly misogynistic in his attitude towards Hillary.. I mean recordifying Hill's flip flps and showing them back to back just goes on to show how even the libruhl media hates the fact that a strong woman can defeat a token candidate like Obama..
This was, without a doubt, the dumbest post I have ever read on C&L.
Abstinence-only programs don't lead to abstinence.
You left out the part where Stephanopoulos shit his pants after hearing the loud bang from the gun, and Gibson wakes up from his nap and says "who farted? ME?"
TheEnticer @ 88:
Because anyone who doesn't support Mrs. Clinton must be a woman hater right? Couldn't be because she flip-flops right?
TheEnticer @ 88:
The truth hurts doesn't it?
hillary is not a strong woman, she's a lying, degrading, defector.
Obama is hardly a token.
bullfrog @ 6:
BF, this ribbet's for you. Spot on, hoss. Did HRC take LSD? Don't know. But she's batshit crazy and not FIT to be a leader for SO many things she's said, and done.
And I don't feel compelled to link to her abuses of us all, either.
It's been well documented.
GOBama!!!!!!
ABC NEWS DEBATE PROTEST MASHUP
Ron @ 44:
Bradblog. Has it all. THE ONLY place to cover this stuff, and Crooks N Liars, and any OTHER blogs of import should be ASHAMED of not bringin this shit to the attention of the blogosphere, the MSM, and the general public.
http://www.bradblog.com
Just go. Read. Please. It's ugly, and we progressives likely don't stand a chance.
Them raht bastids . . . .
tHeHusseinGaMeOfLiFe @ 93:
You mean Geraldine was wrong? How racist of you sir... Just because she couldn't run a competent campaign, was caught napping in the caucus states (caucuses incidentally, as we now learn are full of 'activist type' people), was caught lying several times, has taken money from pharmaceutical companies to mandate health care, had advisors who are lobbying for Blackwater, has injected race into the campaign, has introduced fear etc etc.. doesn't mean that she shouldn't be the next president.. Please stop focussing on all these negative things, it only makes you appear a misogynist.. what you need to look at is how much she is owed .. She is owed the presidency because she helped Bill throughout his career and thats all she ever wanted to be all her life... even when she was serving on Walmart's board of directors, busting unions.. all she wanted to do was help poor white people..
You obviously hate women and by extension children if you don't see the situation in this historical perspective..
Plus only 2 candidates love this country and if this were the republican primary process, Hillary would have already won... So, please stop your hate..
At least the Dems stand up for something. (But for how long...?)
Respect your blog. Use it to its potential. Anything less would be uncivilized. lol.
shiloh @ 75:
How dare you accuse 1 of the only 2 patriotic candidates (of the 3 that are still in the race) of being 'handed' something? Are you saying that women have to be handed stuff? Are you suggesting that we can have a lying president that can take us to a war, lie to us, take money from special interest group to screw middle class americans *BUT* a woman can't or somehow shouldn't do it? I mean isnt that sexist? If we can elect a lying man, why set the bar higher for the first woman president? (to borrow from Maher) Hillary will prove that women politicians are just as good at lying as their male counterparts..
So stop the hate and learn to love the Feuhrer (or maybe Frau if Feuhrer is too sexist)...
88 TheEnticer Says:
I wonder if he hates all women or he doesn’t like strong women.. what do you think Nicole?
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Nice attitude blowhard. Kinda transparent (of you), don't ya think.
TheEnticer @ 97:
HAHAHAHAHA you're funny man.
I was slightly wrong about PA. Still Obama blew hillary away. Obama wasn't suppose to win that close.
hillary will stand before millions and lie, just like her husband. hillary has promises to keep, too bad they won't be fulfill.
hillary wants to bomb Iran if Israel is attacked. Why? It's not the 51st state.
How about if nuclear Israel start shit (which we know they do this covertly) with Iran?
I'm tired of looking at her face!
Boycott ABC and Fox. TV stations & Radio stations get the message when their ratings go south!
To Hussein @ 102:
And I didn't even mention how hard the media has been on poor poor Hillary... right Nicole? I mean the sexist media just keeps bringing up stuff from her past to smear her.. like removing all the snipers from the real video.. and then some horrible horrible men in the boy's club @ MSNBC actually had the audacity to suggest that her political career is largely in part due to Mr Bill Clinton and his exploits.. and then to add fuel to that fire.. someone @ MSNBC suggested that Chelsea was being pimped when all she did was go on a date with a 22 yr old superdelegate in exchange for a chance to convince him to vote for her mom.. That day will forever be remember in the annals of time as a day that set the clock back on equal rights... I mean its ok for Chelsea to do that.. absolutely but then for those shameless pigs to use 'words' to describe what happened was just appalling... After that, when Hill lost 12 in a row (purely because black people and activists conspired against her and we all know they dont matter.. only 60+ catholic white women matter) Obama had the audacity to say she was getting emotional (when she railed against him for some fliers his campaign distributed)..
Can't you see the pattern? She is the victim, she is being hounded by the media and all because she wants to be the first woman president.. sometimes the way the misogynist media treats hillary it just makes me question whether we have really achieved equality??
DC @ 104:
You do realize you are posting this on a website that is frequented by people who dont watch Fox.. like ever.. you might have better chance of reaching their audience on the wingnut websites..
TheEnticer @ 100:
Incase you missed the point, Mrs. Clinton is being handed stuff because she's a Republican, not a Woman.
And the 'handed' you refer to was the word 'handler', as in the people who handle her campaign and the public image she is trying to promote. Your reading comprehension seems almost as bad as your apparent hatred of all that is male.
Jimi @ 107:
You said "She was the clear favorite from day one, had hubby’s ready made political machine & political donors list given to her on a silver platter. "
The word given is not very far away from handed... am I missing something here or did they change the meanings of the words?
Drink your Obama Kool-aid when nov comes, Hillary will be a write in candidate and ensure McCain wins.. so she can run in 2012..
TheEnticer @ 108:
Not only did you misspell my name, you didn't even attribute the correct quote to me...I didn't type it. Scroll and check for yourself. The "She was the clear...silver platter" was neither from me or in post #107, taking me back to your apparent lack of reading comprehension skills.
And it is very telling that you assume I support Mr. Obama. With that said, you'll (if the script is held too) accuse me of supporting Mr. McCain next.
I just really, really, really tired of Mrs. Clintons supporters accusing those who do not support her as 'misogynistic' AND Mr. Obamas supporters accusing those who do not support him as 'racist'. There just might be legitimate reasons to support/not support a candidate, and namecalling is SO GOP...
Again, I appeal to you to frelling grow up.
Quick correction, the quote attributed to me by TheEnticer is in fact embedded within post#107. It was originally posted by Shiloh in post#75. I suppose I should reread everything within a post, not just try to remember what I posted.
Maybe a lack of reading comprehension is catching?!? Oh Bog...
Jimmi I know for a fact I don't consider you a racist because you don't like Obama's policies, I considered you not a very good comedian.
You know, the funny thing is, Charlie, I didn't understand anything you said and you didn't understand anything I said.
Jimi you need to grow up, you can neither comprehend sarcasm nor read where you type (and get your words embedded in someone's quote... That's what happens when you stare at the keyboard as you type with one finger...LOL )
anyway jimi=jimmi as far as I care
I am doing a better job of typing using my cell phone than you are using you keyboardification device....
THE GOP WANTS HILLARY - and they are playing their usual racist card to try to make it happen
From Kos:
GOP to Run Ads in North Carolina Against Obama
by DHinMI
Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 02:57:29 PM PDT
The GOP would rather face Hillary Clinton:
The Republican Party in North Carolina said Wednesday it's launching a television ad calling Democratic presidential hopeful Barack Obama too extreme for the state, despite the objections of GOP presumptive nominee John McCain.
The advertisement raises the scepter of Obama's former pastor Jeremiah Wright, beginning with a photo of Obama and Wright together and a clip of Wright's contentious remarks about America.
"He's just too extreme for North Carolina," the narrator says in the 30-second spot.
McCain can complain, but it's naïve to think that this ad is being run against the wishes of McCain's strategists. If they thought Obama was the weaker candidate, they would stand aside and let him more quickly end the primary contest. Yes, regardless of who ends up the nominee, the GOP benefits from us still fighting out state-by-state primaries and caucuses (even though caucuses don't count and are in states that don't matter). But what's more important to the GOP, if they have any control over it, is getting the weaker opponent for McCain. Hence, the ads attacking Obama.
It's not crazy to think the Republicans are meddling in our primaries for their own benefit. A Democrat has done the same thing to a Republican. In 2002, California governor Gray Davis was preparing for a tough reelection. Of the two leading Republican opponents, Los Angeles mayor Richard Riordan was far more formidable; polls showed him performing much better in the general election, and more likely to beat Davis than Bill Simon.
With no primary of his own, Davis took advantage of the Republican contest and ran a blitz of ads attacking Riordan for not having clear positions on abortion and the death penalty. The ads hurt Riordan with both his moderate base (who were mostly pro-choice) and with the conservative Republicans, who moved solidly to Simon. Simon beat Riordan in the primary, and Davis beat Simon in the general.
By running ads against Obama, the Republicans are trying to torpedo the more electable of our candidates. If Obama were to lose North Carolina, Hillary Clinton would make an even stronger appeal to the superdelegates to flip the delegate lead to her, thus ensuring a summer of Dems sniping at each other and greater opportunity costs. Dragging the nomination out until Denver would seriously weaken Obama, which is exactly why the Republicans are running ads against him.
poll
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/4/23/2417/55984/47/501352
TheEnticer @ 113:
Question: Did you actually check your facts before you accused me lying about what was typed by me? Did you notice where Shiloh typed what you attribute as my quote? It's ok, others did.
I do apologize if you we're being sarcastic. Maybe you should use a 'sarcastic smiley' or /snark next time as it is very hard to tell tone of voice thru text displayed on a monitor screen. Not that I believe you were being sarcastic, but maybe I should have gotten a clue from your chosen screen name because you did not 'entice' anyone to anything but to 'shoot down' your commentary.
If you cannot attack the content, you should just stop. Accusing me of unprovable limitations with the intent to imply that I am of less than averagely intelligence and incapable of using everyday technology should be beneath you. Atleast I only commented on your inablility to correctly attribute quotes to the correct poster and it's root cause in reading comprehension issues. But you'll still think that because I quoted you after you quoted Shiloh that I typed/wrote what was posted originally by Shiloh in post #75. that said, it is no surprise to me you support a candidate because of gender politics regardless of platform and fitness for office.
Ok, done. "I say good day to you madam".
tHeHusseinGaMeOfLiFe @ 111:
You and the audiences of the last 3 places I did open mic nite.
Think I'm gonna stick to karaoke from now on...
Personally, I don't find the scorched earth tactics of either candidate particularly funny. And if it ends up resulting in a McCain presidency because of stubborn petty mudslinging bullshit and a win-at-any-cost, screw-the-good-of-the-country mentality, no one is going to be laughing for very long. You think things are bad now? Wait and see what it's like after four more years of Republican driven greed and stupidity...
Ron @ 44:
Exit polls selective not working; 'nothing to see here, move along'
bullfrog @ 20:
Karl 'hired help' Rove has one chance to save his skin, go before Congress and spill the beans and rat out his ex bosses,
being merely a Rethugian lackey and disposable (Florida style) his former 'owners' wont want him around able to talk post 09.
He needs to seriously think about the future and saving his skin.
OBAMA LOST THE DEBATE!
Get over it!
Winners don't whine.
clinton taking tips from neo-cons....sad and desperate
oops dead link try this
Hillary taking tips from neo-con kristol
I was enticed once. Woke up covered in cement dust, no rights, paying for endless war, pension plan raped, house worth nothing, buying gas a quarter tank at a time and the whole city working for minimum wage.
Misson accomplished
http://www.answers.com/topic/enticer
Israel Claims Secret Agreement With U.S.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/23/AR200804...
THE STRUGGLE IS THIS......
........................SLOW DOWN YOUR WORK PRODUCTION......................
CORP AMERICA ONLY UNDERSTANDS ONE THING
North Carolina, a more diverse, progressive and educated state today http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080424/ap_on_el_pr/north_carolina_primary than it was 20 years ago not likely (hopefully) to be swayed by bigot GOP ads against Obama as they were in Jesse Helms vs. Harvey Gantt 20 years ago. The now infamous "White Hands" ad http://youtube.com/watch?v=KIyewCdXMzkwas a Republican race baiting jewel ran in the closing weeks of the election and was blamed for costing Gantt the election when Gantt was still ahead in the polls towards the end. As a native southerner who spent most of my life in the south before I finally escaped to NYC I know first hand you can always count on the southern GOP to go their divisive, bigoted, race baiting and gay baiting mudslinging. We'll know in a few weeks if North Carolina has move beyond the racial dirty tricks of the GOP.
Ruthless People @ 124:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=KIyewCdXMzk
myiq2xu @ 120:
What debate?
If that was a debate then hillary is a pseudo repug.
You get the sense that maybe MediaBloodhound pushed this one out a little hastily? The germ of a funny idea is there, but it's pretty flat and even a bit Half-Hour-News-Hour-ish. Needs a good rewrite.
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Daily Reading pt 1...
Climate change 'may put world at war' - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/main.jhtml?xml=/earth/2008/04/23/eaclim...
The report said: "If climate change is not slowed and critical environmental thresholds are exceeded, then it will become a primary driver of conflicts between and within states." It added: "Climate impacts will force us into a radical rethink of how we identify and secure our national interests. For example, our energy and climate security will increasingly depend on stronger alliances with other large energy consumers, such as China, to develop and deploy new energy technologies, and less on relations with oil producing states.
The Royal United Services Institute said a tenfold increase in research spending, comparable to the amount spent on the Apollo space programme, will be needed if the world is to avoid the worst effects of changing temperatures.
http://www.apolloalliance.org
Wind Power Produces 123% of Residential Energy Demand in Rock Port, Missouri - http://www.treehugger.com/files/2008/04/home-residential-wind-power-rock...
The first—and so far only—24-hour eco-lifestyle television network, Discovery's Planet Green will be making its debut when it takes over the Discovery Home Channel at 6 p.m. (ET) on June 4, 2008.
- http://www.treehugger.com/files/2008/04/watch-planet-green.php
A True Uniter: Assessing Strength of Contenders in Swing States - http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/24/us/politics/24clinton.html?ref=politics
"Obama goes much further reaching into the independent and Republican vote, and has a greater chance of creating a new electoral map for the Democrats."
'Silent Tsunami'; Food prices have risen by 83% in three years - http://cbs5.com/national/un.hunger.crisis.2.706532.html
Sidney Blumenthal: A look at how radicalism has forced the Republican Party to retreat. - http://www.salon.com/books/excerpt/2008/04/24/blumenthal_death/
Bush's second term has witnessed the great unraveling of the Republican coalition. After nearly two generations of political dominance, the Republican coalition has rapidly disintegrated under the stress of Bush's failures and the Republicans' scandals and disgrace. The Democrats have the greatest possible opening in more than a generation -- potentially. They should pay strict attention to how Bush has swiftly undone Republican strengths as an object lesson.
The GOP on the verge of imploding, the end of con-servatism....you're seeing the beginning, your grandchildren will see its dying gasps...
Obama Shifting Focus From Clinton to McCain - New York Times - http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/23/us/politics/23obama.html?ref=us
Senator Barack Obama opened the next phase of his presidential campaign here Tuesday evening, seeking to turn his focus away from Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton and persuade party leaders that time is running out for Democrats to start defining their Republican opponent. His campaign is now employing a two-front strategy: trying to ignore Mrs. Clinton yet keep on working to overwhelm her campaign by using its financial advantage to advertise more and build larger organizations in each of the remaining nine contests, while "we keep an eye on John McCain.”
Leave the party bickering behind, its WAY PAST TIME to start knocking down McBush/McSame....Obama 08
A Counterproductive 'War on Terror' - http://consortiumnews.com/2008/042308a.html
Though George W. Bush sold many Americans on the idea that the "war on terror" began on 9/11, it actually traces back much further to the reaction of Muslims to what they viewed as U.S. covert and overt interventions in the oil-rich Middle East.
The Bush Crime Family has only increased the supply and not decreased the 'demand'.....
Daily Reading pt 2...
It's Time for The Superdelegates to Commit - http://baldwinparkdemocrat.blogspot.com/2008/04/its-time-for-superdelega...
Hillary Clinton won the Pennsylvania Primary last evening as expected. It appears she won by 9.3 percent or so - not the clear and convincing numbers she needed but enough to convince her to stay the course.
Why the superdelegates need to commit now and not later. It's for the good of the Party. Its good for the country.
This can't be delayed any longer. The Democrats need a nominee to fight John McCain and a nominee who can help elect a majority to both the House and the Senate.
Party switchers lean toward Obama, exit polls show - http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap_campaignplus/primary_exit_poll_glance;_ylt=Av4L8PE.ucUHJDjRbc0.LBOs0NUE
Beth Arnold: Whole Wide World Wants Obama - http://www.huffingtonpost.com/beth-arnold/whole-wide-world-wants-ob_b_98...
Putting yesterday's Pennsylvania primary in the correct perspective: Obama is the one who "closed" his deal by narrowing the big margin Hillary had going into the state.
Check out The World Wants Obama Coalition - http://www.theworldwantsobama.org/ People from around the globe have submitted videos to say how they feel.
An Ersatz Christian Smears Obama with a Willie Horton-type Ad - http://www.walter-c-uhler.com/Reviews/ersatz.html
If you want to catch a glimpse of what's morally wrong with a small segment of America's conservative Christians, simply look at the antics of Floyd Brown.
Eric Boehlert: Michelle Malkin and the warbloggers get everything wrong -- again - http://mediamatters.org/columns/200804230002
Republican War on Science Update: Survey; Half of EPA Scientists Complain of Political Interference, Waxman to Investigate - http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/04/survey_half_of_epa_sci...
The Union of Concerned Scientists said that more than half of the nearly 1,600 EPA staff scientists who responded online to a detailed questionnaire reported they had experienced incidents of political interference in their work....
LA Times: Meet John 'Dubya' McCain. If you like George Bush's foreign policy, you'll love the GOP's current candidate.
- http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-scoblic23apr23,0,2409971.story
http://johnwmccain.com/1.html
'Even with the Democratic Party locked in a fierce civil war, John McCain still hasn't pulled ahead of either Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama in national polls.'
- http://thecurrent.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/04/mccain.php
Carter vs. Rice on believability, we'll take Carter: 'Former U.S. President Jimmy Carter on Wednesday accused Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice of not telling the truth about warnings she said her department gave Carter not to speak to Hamas before a Middle East trip.'
- http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080423/pl_nm/palestinians_israel_carter_dc;...
The USS Condoleeza Rice....has sprung another leak...
McCain (R-Idiot) picks failing Ohio factory to laud free trade - http://www.mcclatchydc.com/homepage/story/34495.html
Standing before a nearly shuttered factory pocked with broken windows in a city devastated by the erosion of its industrial base, John McCain (R-Idiot) on Tuesday urged Americans to reject the "siren song of protectionism" and embrace free trade.
OK.....NOW DO YOU KNOW WHY YOU HAVE TO SHOW UP IN NOVEMBER
ok ! i said it when the news whores were killing guys like kucinich graval and edwards,by not giveing them equal time on the debates and pushed two goomers like clinton and obama on us! few were listening , this election is going just like rove planned you allowed the news whores the ones owned by the republican corporations to denounce kucinich as unelectable , graval unelectable , edwards unelectable, rove knew exactly what would happen if they could steer you two two politicians that would make you tare each others guts out ,youve done just as he planned , come november when all the craps settled down your going to loose , loose , loose the general election ,because at the voteing places ,in the states that really count the machines are rigged, fixed , crooked , and even though maby more voters went for the democrats and we should have won the machines will say otherwise, and unless thiers a revolution thiers nothing nothing you can do about it, they own the law, they own the politicians , the news media , the army the navy airforce marines, your gas and food supplys and your jobs, every god damed thing in this country, so keep it up fellow bloggers youve done a heck of a job for the corporations!
Daily Reading pt 3...
NYT Editorial: "It is past time for Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton to acknowledge that the negativity, for which she is mostly responsible, does nothing but harm to her, her opponent, her party and the 2008 election."
- http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/23/opinion/23wed1.html?ref=opinion
Don't be fooled by 'the maverick': 'John McCain on Wednesday asked the North Carolina GOP not to run a television ad that brings up the controversial former pastor of Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama. North Carolina Republican party officials insisted the ad will run as planned despite McCain's request.' Easy for McCain to look good by asking, knowing nothing will happen
- http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080423/ap_on_el_pr/mccain_obama_ad;_ylt=Ao_...
Call it a wink, wink....
More Bush running from the law: 'The Bush administration has no plans to rescind controversial guidelines restricting enrollment in a popular children's health-care program, despite a recent legal finding that they were administered illegally.'
- http://www.washingtonindependent.com/view/report-calls-bush
Apparently Clinton Won by Just Under Double Digits, Just Above 9%, Which Puts Her Win as a Single Digit Win in PA
- http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-creamer/last-night-clinton-won-th_b...
Last Night Clinton Won the Pennsylvania Primary, but Lost the War for the Nomination
Republicans Block Pay Discrimination Bill - http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/23/AR200804...
Con-servatism at its 'finest'....this is why I tell women that vote Republican...'you're voting against your own best interests'...
Reality sets in: For McCain, This Could Be as Good As It's Going to Get - http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/04/for_mccain_this_could_...
WHY WE NEED TO DEEP SIX this BS 'Free market' Crap: Child Labour: Lessons from the Industrial Revolution - http://economistsview.typepad.com/economistsview/2008/04/child-labour-le...
Societies have long sought to eliminate child labour. Yet two hundred years after the first Factories Act and despite a level of prosperity that our forefathers would have deemed unimaginable, there are an estimated 186 million child labourers worldwide –5.7 million in forced labour, 1.8 million in prostitution and 0.3 million soldiers.[1] In designing policy to mitigate this persistent problem, it is vital to have a theoretical and empirical understanding of child labour and its consequences.
Photos from Russian Seal Death Camp - http://www.treehugger.com/files/2008/04/seal-death-camp-hunt-russia.php
Just in case you don't 'feel like' taking the 10 seconds to fill out 'another petition'.... This along with the Tiger was my favorite animal while growing up...
I have gotten to the point that I do not even watch the debates anymore because they are not even about the issues.
The Clintons are egging on the media, making it an unfair and uphill battle for Obama to the very end - ultimately to the detriment of the Dems in the fall if they succeed. From a post on "the field" quoting a commenter yesterday:
"The Party allows its Black frontrunner to essentially fend for himself while the campaign of a white “Democrat” (who sometimes acts like a Republican), obviously gliding around on white privilege, continually moves the goalposts of what he has to “prove” to show himself *worthy* of being the nominee. Because in the underlying logics of white supremacy, she is automatically by default worthy in her whiteness, and he is by default suspect and less-than and unworthy, and he has to prove otherwise by insane standards.
And of course Clinton’s campaign and its supporters are supporting and encouraging systemic racism/white supremacy in various ways, including but not limited to when they push the line that white working class voters are more important than Black voters (because even though they don’t say the second part out loud, it is obvious in its implications).
All these efforts to make Senator Obama show that he is not foreign, not dangerous, not angry …. all these efforts to tie him to scary dangerous symbolically shadow figures (in addition to the demonization of Dr. Wright, it’s ooooh Weatherguy scary, “do we really know Obama,” etc)– systemic racism/white supremacy in action. And of course the more obvious stuff that everyone has also heard about. Bill Clinton and Geraldine Ferraro and all that."
Stephanopolus is worthless!!!!!!!!!!!!! That little corrupt weasel loves to suck his corporate bosses peter's. Somebody please take care of him for us!!!
cds @ 131:
the repigs favorite troll has returned!
tyree at 73 @ 129:
Couldn't agree more. Edwards was the number 2 man on the 2004 ticket and the only time the media mentioned him was to blather about the cost of his haircuts. He would have mopped the floor with McCain. Now we'll be lucky if it's even close.
They forgot to ask Hillary "When did you stop being a crack-whore?" and forgot to ask Obama "When did you stop pimping?".
Hillary would slaughter McCain in the debates. Obama
would not. Little George couldn't lift a gun never mind
fire one & the Democrats, (check C&L) are killing Hillary
& handing the old fart McCain the election. What else is new?
cds has a point , of course hes just shilling for the repigs though, racesists of course thier are thoes in the democratic party !but it aint only the whites the clintons either , you get it from everyone in one form or another , thiers plenty on here all you have to do is listen to the black posters calling clinton a bitch or a whore just because they want a blackman as a president, if obama was white in color and they didnt know he had a black father would they be so diehard supporters , i dont think so! and in my opinnion theres to many whites who feel like they should make up for all the blackmans suffering from the long past days of slavery, by electing obama , or they just want to say they helped make history because they got the first woman or blackman elected to the whitehouse , personaly i dont like either clinton or obama , and i sure dont like any and i mean any republican as a president, were at this point in time when we are led by the repigs to vote for thier democrat candidates , you should have known that the hatetreads between the whites and the blacks in this election would be our ruin in november that was allways the plan, enjoy your next president who will be mccain !
John, et al...
If you get a chance to post a clip of last nights Boston Legal, I would highly recommend it for your readers. Alan Shore argues before the Supreme Court.
This just in!!!
http://tinyurl.com/4v6e4l
liberalHUSSEINmoderation @ 144:
Wow...I posted this like an HOUR ago....wassupwidat?
[We have an assiduous spam filter. I wasn't checking it very often-Sitemonitor]
liberalHUSSEINmoderation @ 145:
Fair enough...
I believe it’s April Fool’s Day here on the floor of the House. To hear the members of the GOP – the Grand Old Oil Party – talking about how they’re there for the consumers, they want to do something to help American consumers. The same party that benefits disproportionately from massive campaign contributions from the oil and gas and coal industries. The same party that holds the White House, with two oil men in the White House. The same party, on the Senate side, defeated our energy provisions because they would have God forbid, made the oil and gas companies pay taxes like other members of the corporate committee. It would have taken away subsidies. They’re crying crocodile tears about the massive profits that their buddies are making, their campaign contributors, their sponsors. And the president, the oil man. And the vice president, the oil man supply services company.
Q: Will the gentleman yield?
No, I won’t yield. Thank you very much.
Now, there’s a few things we could do. Now, the president’s a big free trader, right? He’s trying to push us into more free trade agreements. They say they work great. He wants “rules-based trade.” Well, we’re in the WTO, they have rules. The rules say you can not restrict the supply of a commodity simply to drive up the price. That’s what OPEC’s doing. Now five members of OPEC are in the WTO. Will this president – the oil man –- the friend of the Saudis and the others – will he file a complaint in the World Trade Organization against OPEC? No. I wrote to him three years ago, asking him to do that. The answer was no. If the Saudis and the OPEC countries want to get together and collude to drive up the price of the oil, that’s just fine with George Bush. He’s all for free trade, and rules-based trade, except when the rules might hurt some of his buddies. And then, the oil industry just piggy backs on top of that.
Now, there is another thing they could do. They can help us with a provision we put in the Farm bill, which is stalled in the Senate, which would close the Enron loophole. Remember Enron? Ken Boy, the President’s favorite guy? He just died before he went to jail. Well, the Enron boys convinced the Republican Congress to give them a special loophole, to deregulate energy commodities, to allow for massive speculation. And there is widespread agreement in the financial community that about 50 cents of the price that’s being paid at the pump today is being paid purely because of speculation brought about by the Enron loophole. You really want to do something about the high price of oil? Help us close the Enron loophole. Get your president to file a complaint against OPEC for colluding to drive up the price of oil. Help strip out the taxpayers’ subsidies to the oil, coal and gas industry. You are taking out of their wallets while you are taking it out of their pockets at the pump.
Congressman Peter Defazio (sp?) said that a few days ago.
If only Stephanopolous had been as decent of a marksman, as he was a two-bit commentator...
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