The number of veterans who attempted suicide in the last twelve months is estimated at 12,000.

I want to commend C&L for its well rounded sense of the issues.
Unlike Huffington Post.
I've yet to see them address this.

Howdy x. Do you think we could persuade Karen to stay up later and join the late night open thread? I've got to admit I'm a sucker for a woman with well developed frontal lobes.

Peter G @ 6:

Howdy x. Do you think we could persuade Karen to stay up later and join the late night open thread? I've got to admit I'm a sucker for a woman with well developed frontal lobes.

You tell me. You know her as well as i do. :)

L.A. Confidential @ 9:

Wesley Snipes to serve 3 years in prison for tax convictions

Prosecutors said Snipes' case was important to send a message to would-be tax protesters not to test the government.

That just blows all the way around.

whizkid @ 4:

I want to commend C&L for its well rounded sense of the issues.
Unlike Huffington Post.
I've yet to see them address this.

Huffinton Post is ridiculous with its auto refresh of everything constantly. At least this site doesn't do that.

Humble Surfer @ 12:

whizkid @ 4:

I want to commend C&L for its well rounded sense of the issues.
Unlike Huffington Post.
I've yet to see them address this.

Huffinton Post is ridiculous with its auto refresh of everything constantly. At least this site doesn't do that.

I think the reason i like this site is because it attracts both common people like myself and people who know what they are talking about. :)

Trucker Doug @ 15:

The first thing the Army gave me was an OD laundry bag. I still have it, a quarter century later. Has a few holes, but still serviceable. Y'all can scoff all you want, but my military service gave me the discipline and fortitude to get through my cancer treatments.

RANGERS LEAD THE WAY!

I am an anti military peacenick and i do not scoff at the military nor do i look down on people who serve or have served in the military. I am deeply offended that our government treats its veterans like shit.

Hi Miss Kitty. :)

the u.s. army is under direct attack from foreign interests who want to intentionally destroy america.

they're leaving america open so rupert murdoch and his chinese cronies can walk in at any moment's notice.

admiral fallon's the last patriot left -let's hope he rounds up enough support to throw these motherfucking scumbags behind bars...

Hi xoites and everyone else,
I've been out of the country on vacation and C&L was not available in Cuba. Not a big deal tho because Cuba is a beautiful country and the people there are super nice.
The propaganda that comes out of soddom on the potomac is so wrong. Yah they don't have alot but they are a surviving and thriving nation. And they have done it without the US.
Oh and when I was there I went to the Bay of Pigs, Havana and stayed in Varadero. Saw the usual street cops but that was about it. No armed soldiers(with the exception of a few goverment buildings in Havana) checking ID or anything like that.
On the flight from Calgary to Varadero I sat beside a Cuban who was working in Alberta. He was heading home to visit his family and we were talking away the flight. I asked him if he was going to move to the United States. Much to my surprise he said no he had no intention of going to the US even though all he had to do was cross the border and he was a landed imigrant.
I asked him why and he said he would rather live in Canada because it was a better country.
after my trip all I can say
VIVA CUBA LIBRE(with a twist of lime)

oh yah one thing I forgot to add. I felt way safer in Cuba than in Mexico

bullfrog @ 20:

the u.s. army is under direct attack from foreign interests who want to intentionally destroy america.

they're leaving america open so rupert murdoch and his chinese cronies can walk in at any moment's notice.

admiral fallon's the last patriot left -let's hope he rounds up enough support to throw these motherfucking scumbags behind bars...

Do his chinese cronies have any idea how many guns are floating around the U.S. I think they better practice on Taiwan first.

Mike the Canuck @ 22:

Hi xoites and everyone else,
I've been out of the country on vacation and C&L was not available in Cuba. Not a big deal tho because Cuba is a beautiful country and the people there are super nice.
The propaganda that comes out of soddom on the potomac is so wrong. Yah they don't have alot but they are a surviving and thriving nation. And they have done it without the US.
Oh and when I was there I went to the Bay of Pigs, Havana and stayed in Varadero. Saw the usual street cops but that was about it. No armed soldiers(with the exception of a few goverment buildings in Havana) checking ID or anything like that.
On the flight from Calgary to Varadero I sat beside a Cuban who was working in Alberta. He was heading home to visit his family and we were talking away the flight. I asked him if he was going to move to the United States. Much to my surprise he said no he had no intention of going to the US even though all he had to do was cross the border and he was a landed imigrant.
I asked him why and he said he would rather live in Canada because it was a better country.
after my trip all I can say
VIVA CUBA LIBRE(with a twist of lime)

Cuba has gotten a lot of bad press (can't imagine why).

I bet you a dollar, ok i bet you two American dollars to one of your Canadian dollars that you could not find one uneducated or illiterate Cuban during your trip.

By the way x where are those thoroughly depressing statistics coming from. I knew it was bad but 12000? Holy shit.

xoites (Bitter Before Country Was Cool) defends Constitution @ 28:

Mike the Canuck @ 22:

Hi xoites and everyone else,
I've been out of the country on vacation and C&L was not available in Cuba. Not a big deal tho because Cuba is a beautiful country and the people there are super nice.
The propaganda that comes out of soddom on the potomac is so wrong. Yah they don't have alot but they are a surviving and thriving nation. And they have done it without the US.
Oh and when I was there I went to the Bay of Pigs, Havana and stayed in Varadero. Saw the usual street cops but that was about it. No armed soldiers(with the exception of a few goverment buildings in Havana) checking ID or anything like that.
On the flight from Calgary to Varadero I sat beside a Cuban who was working in Alberta. He was heading home to visit his family and we were talking away the flight. I asked him if he was going to move to the United States. Much to my surprise he said no he had no intention of going to the US even though all he had to do was cross the border and he was a landed imigrant.
I asked him why and he said he would rather live in Canada because it was a better country.
after my trip all I can say
VIVA CUBA LIBRE(with a twist of lime)

Cuba has gotten a lot of bad press (can't imagine why).

I bet you a dollar, ok i bet you two American dollars to one of your Canadian dollars that you could not find one uneducated or illiterate Cuban during your trip.

Everyone is extremly well educated.....most people spoke good english and usually one other language.
Tell you what though....I learned to make a mojito when I was there,if you decide to come to BC I'll save some Havana Club rum

Peter G @ 30:

By the way x where are those thoroughly depressing statistics coming from. I knew it was bad but 12000? Holy shit.

Kieth Olberman reemed the VA tonight. I expect C&L will post it tommorow.

The filmmakers for Expelled are getting sued
for copyright violation. Wall Street might be short
36,000 jobs. Pelosi wants Bush to stop hoarding oil. Rice prices are out of control. McCain blames Bush and pork
for Katrina.

Mike the Canuck @ 29:

Peter G @ 26:

bullfrog @ 20:

the u.s. army is under direct attack from foreign interests who want to intentionally destroy america.

they're leaving america open so rupert murdoch and his chinese cronies can walk in at any moment's notice.

admiral fallon's the last patriot left -let's hope he rounds up enough support to throw these motherfucking scumbags behind bars...

Do his chinese cronies have any idea how many guns are floating around the U.S. I think they better practice on Taiwan first.

you mean to say they haven't already?
has anyone noticed that the EU is talking about boycotting the opening ceremonies of the Summer Olympics and not a word has come out of Washington
Thats because Beijing already owns the US

that's part of why i'm always trying to ask bill clinton to bilk his backers on these threads...

he's kind of a scumbag, but most of us would actually like him if we met him...

but hillary's got to go. obama's the best america can offer right now...

Humble Surfer @ 25:

xoites (Bitter Before Country Was Cool) defends Constitution @ 2:

The number of veterans who attempted suicide in the last twelve months is estimated at 12,000.

United States foreign policy is horrible. Neoliberalism, imperialism, wars of conquest, killing of civilians, military bases all over the world in other people's backyards. It's no surprise so many veterans attempt suicide as was reported on Countdown tonight.

All right I'll bite. What the hell is neoliberalism? I have to say the reasons you cited for the depressing suicide statistics make absolutely no sense to me. Post traumatic stress disorder does. Broken families and relationships does. Simple depression does. Geopolitics? Not so much.

Abe would have wanted it this way

They say soccer games can get violent, but this is ridiculous!

Peter G @ 40:

Humble Surfer @ 25:

xoites (Bitter Before Country Was Cool) defends Constitution @ 2:

The number of veterans who attempted suicide in the last twelve months is estimated at 12,000.

United States foreign policy is horrible. Neoliberalism, imperialism, wars of conquest, killing of civilians, military bases all over the world in other people's backyards. It's no surprise so many veterans attempt suicide as was reported on Countdown tonight.

All right I'll bite. What the hell is neoliberalism? I have to say the reasons you cited for the depressing suicide statistics make absolutely no sense to me. Post traumatic stress disorder does. Broken families and relationships does. Simple depression does. Geopolitics? Not so much.

They all involve destroying other people's lives. Killing innocent people destroys a man's character. 1 million civilians have been killed in Iraq. The United States is a monster. Neoliberalism is a very common word on the internet, look it up. It is very similar to imperialism, or butting your ass where it doesn't belong.

Tequila @ 36:

The filmmakers for Expelled are getting sued
for copyright violation. Wall Street might be short
36,000 jobs. Pelosi wants Bush to stop hoarding oil. Rice prices are out of control. McCain blames Bush and pork
for Katrina.

You do post some interesting links Tequila. The McCain link was fabulous. He wouldn't have let those people down. He would have flown over right away and not waited a week for the scary Hurricane to go away. Other help? Well, like health care, he believes families make the best decisions not government.

Trucker Doug @ 15:

The first thing the Army gave me was an OD laundry bag. I still have it, a quarter century later. Has a few holes, but still serviceable. Y'all can scoff all you want, but my military service gave me the discipline and fortitude to get through my cancer treatments.

RANGERS LEAD THE WAY!

yeah i still got my sea bag , sailors get the nookie!!!!! thanks steve!

http://news.yahoo.com/s/bloomberg/20080424/pl_bloomberg/a1krq5x3pni_1

As i understand it McCain was eating Cake with Bush during Katrina.

John McCain was eating cake with Bush during Katrina. That is just one of many ads i want to see running in September and October.

xoites (Bitter Before Country Was Cool) defends Constitution @ 55:

Humble Surfer @ 51:

xoites (Bitter Before Country Was Cool) defends Constitution @ 49:

Humble Surfer @ 46:

Please do not offend Peter G, he asked you a question. Answer it civilly, if you please.

Do not offend me.

Did i?

It only offends me if it's silent but deadly. Otherwise please give us a warning.

Not feeling terrible offended by Humble Surfer's point of view. I just think his theory of cause and effect on the suicide statistics is a little remote. If you think about what it takes to reduce a young man or woman, full of piss and vinegar, to someone who contemplates suicide the cause cannot be remote. It has to something terrible and personal. It is also something that can probably be worked through with medical attention and counseling. I wonder where the budget fot that went?

We watched the movie "The Mist" tonight. The best part was when they shot the religious zealot in the head.
I sure as hell wouldn't want to live in "Castlerock". That place has seen more disasters than any other spot on earth.
I suspect I should have just read the book.

Peter G @ 58:

Not feeling terrible offended by Humble Surfer's point of view. I just think his theory of cause and effect on the suicide statistics is a little remote. If you think about what it takes to reduce a young man or woman, full of piss and vinegar, to someone who contemplates suicide the cause cannot be remote. It has to something terrible and personal. It is also something that can probably be worked through with medical attention and counseling. I wonder where the budget fot that went?

Halliburton.

MargeAggedon @ 60:

We watched the movie "The Mist" tonight. The best part was when they shot the religious zealot in the head.
I sure as hell wouldn't want to live in "Castlerock". That place has seen more disasters than any other spot on earth.
I suspect I should have just read the book.

Did you get a chance to look over alternate solutions to your transmission woes last night?

xoites (Bitter Before Country Was Cool) defends Constitution @ 62:

Peter G @ 58:

Not feeling terrible offended by Humble Surfer's point of view. I just think his theory of cause and effect on the suicide statistics is a little remote. If you think about what it takes to reduce a young man or woman, full of piss and vinegar, to someone who contemplates suicide the cause cannot be remote. It has to something terrible and personal. It is also something that can probably be worked through with medical attention and counseling. I wonder where the budget fot that went?

Halliburton.

Blackwater. The other blackwater is the type of malaria that has being caused by the lack of clean drinking water in Iraq. As the kidneys detiorate their piss turns black.

bullfrog @ 63:

i would never work for bush or hillary, but if obama wins i'm applying for a job in u.s. intelligence, and if i get the gig, y'all will never hear from me again, at least overtly...

Best wishes for a speedy career advancement.

Peter G @ 68:

bullfrog @ 63:

i would never work for bush or hillary, but if obama wins i'm applying for a job in u.s. intelligence, and if i get the gig, y'all will never hear from me again, at least overtly...

Best wishes for a speedy career advancement.

I know people in the NSA. Best for you if you kept my name out of it. :)

xoites (Bitter Before Country Was Cool) defends Constitution @ 67:

Ron @ 66:

xoites (Bitter Before Country Was Cool) defends Constitution @ 62:

Peter G @ 58:

Halliburton.

Blackwater. The other blackwater is the type of malaria that has being caused by the lack of clean drinking water in Iraq. As the kidneys detiorate their piss turns black.

Now that would impress quite a few folks at the next beach party!

Just as much as the morning of March 18 - after a night of drinking green beer.

Peter Paul vs. Hillary Clinton Election Fraud Case stuffed in a California Court, Maybe Hillary is not Fully Vetted

Janet @ 73:

Peter Paul vs. Hillary Clinton Election Fraud Case stuffed in a California Court, Maybe Hillary is not Fully Vetted

I can see the headlines in the morning: Barack Obama fails to parallell park with aplomb!

Peter G @ 74:

Haven't seen Miss Kitty post since @1. I wonder if she's got her own tongue? Are you lying in wait to pounce on a troll Miss K?

She might be hibernating. It's been colder than hell up here lately.

Why can't I post?

theWalrus @ 79:

Why can't I post?

Because you are the Walrus?

I think you have to be the Egg Man to post.

theWalrus @ 79:

Why can't I post?

You just did.

Koo, koo ka-choo?

bullfrog @ 20:

the u.s. army is under direct attack from foreign interests who want to intentionally destroy america.

they're leaving america open so rupert murdoch and his chinese cronies can walk in at any moment's notice.

admiral fallon's the last patriot left -let's hope he rounds up enough support to throw these motherfucking scumbags behind bars...

Americas decline and whatever is self inflicted by the corrupt traitors the Republicans, a strong defense makes sense in any alt or mainstream dimension,
wars of aggression and wasting taxpayer monies and borrowing us into catastrophe is treasonous, they smile while doing so and wrap themselves in the flag and for pathetic amounts of visible lobbyist money and larger hidden amounts of other money, they sell us all down the river.

Peter G @ 68:

bullfrog @ 63:

i would never work for bush or hillary, but if obama wins i'm applying for a job in u.s. intelligence, and if i get the gig, y'all will never hear from me again, at least overtly...

Best wishes for a speedy career advancement.

and never work undercover , you never know whats on them!

over 1 meg in transmitted data. no wonder this site is slow-loading.

BaScOmBe against Bitter Elitist Bullshit @ 91:

over 1 meg in transmitted data. no wonder this site is slow-loading.

The price of free speech and success.

How can we have a sitting President admit to authorizing torture and nothing happens?
Is America that far gone? Will it really make a difference who is elected in November?

xoites (Bitter Before Country Was Cool) defends Constitution @ 70:

Peter G @ 68:

bullfrog @ 63:

i would never work for bush or hillary, but if obama wins i'm applying for a job in u.s. intelligence, and if i get the gig, y'all will never hear from me again, at least overtly...

Best wishes for a speedy career advancement.

I know people in the NSA. Best for you if you kept my name out of it. :)

ask them to pretty please leak the missing WH and RNC emails

ferrofluid @ 92:

Peter G @ 26:

bullfrog @ 20:

the u.s. army is under direct attack from foreign interests who want to intentionally destroy america.

they're leaving america open so rupert murdoch and his chinese cronies can walk in at any moment's notice.

admiral fallon's the last patriot left -let's hope he rounds up enough support to throw these motherfucking scumbags behind bars...

Do his chinese cronies have any idea how many guns are floating around the U.S. I think they better practice on Taiwan first.

For all the bluster between China and Taiwan, they have too much mutual industry at stake now to do anythings serious.

does anybody know if the usnavys still patrolling the formosa straits? we did it in the fiftys 24 7!

theWalrus @ 95:

How can we have a sitting President admit to authorizing torture and nothing happens?
Is America that far gone? Will it really make a difference who is elected in November?

explains why President Merkel jumped and threw Chimpy's hands off her, when he put them on her shoulders at that G8 meeting.
She either felt the ethereal blood dripping off them, or feared cheese wire.

ferrofluid @ 101:

theWalrus @ 95:

How can we have a sitting President admit to authorizing torture and nothing happens?
Is America that far gone? Will it really make a difference who is elected in November?

explains why President Merkel jumped and threw Chimpy's hands off her, when he put them on her shoulders at that G8 meeting.
She either felt the ethereal blood dripping off them, or feared cheese wire.

Could be he's just creepy.

ferrofluid @ 92:

Peter G @ 26:

bullfrog @ 20:

the u.s. army is under direct attack from foreign interests who want to intentionally destroy america.

they're leaving america open so rupert murdoch and his chinese cronies can walk in at any moment's notice.

admiral fallon's the last patriot left -let's hope he rounds up enough support to throw these motherfucking scumbags behind bars...

Do his chinese cronies have any idea how many guns are floating around the U.S. I think they better practice on Taiwan first.

For all the bluster between China and Taiwan, they have too much mutual industry at stake now to do anythings serious.

Admiral Fallon was brought into that position; becuase, he was an expert on carrier warfare. The Bush Administration wanted him in charge so that he could conduct a bombing campaign on Iran. It was a wierd place to put an Admiral. I think he is the first Admiral in US History to command a ground war. Anyways, I think this signals a change in policy. Get rid of the plans to bomb Iran and concentrate on the ground wars. It probably means that things are getting ready to heat up in Afghanistan and the Pentagon is getting nervous.

Looks like we may be attacking N. Korea before Iran.

Peter G @ 103:

ferrofluid @ 101:

theWalrus @ 95:

How can we have a sitting President admit to authorizing torture and nothing happens?
Is America that far gone? Will it really make a difference who is elected in November?

explains why President Merkel jumped and threw Chimpy's hands off her, when he put them on her shoulders at that G8 meeting.
She either felt the ethereal blood dripping off them, or feared cheese wire.

Could be he's just creepy.

That was almost as bad as when Poppy Bush got drunk on sake and puked on the Japanese Prime Minister.

theWalrus @ 104:

My girlfriend is Taiwanese. I'm Amurucan. She says F China. I say F America.

It would seem you are both doing the exact opposite. :)

xoites (Bitter Before Country Was Cool) defends Constitution @ 110:

ferrofluid @ 97:

xoites (Bitter Before Country Was Cool) defends Constitution @ 70:

Peter G @ 68:

I know people in the NSA. Best for you if you kept my name out of it. :)

ask them to pretty please leak the missing WH and RNC emails

I spent over 40 years in Maryland. You can't spend that much time there and not run into people who work for the NSA. Want to know what they all told me about their jobs?

This:

[...]

Same thing here in Wa. I've met people that work for the gov, same thing but they could still carry on a conversation about nothing.

nytimes: A series of endorsements are scheduled to be announced in the coming days, including superdelegates who intend to pledge their support for Mr. Obama.

my bet is obama clinches the nomination by this time next week. he only needs 43 more super delegates.

xoites (Bitter Before Country Was Cool) defends Constitution @ 114:

Ron @ 113:

xoites (Bitter Before Country Was Cool) defends Constitution @ 110:

ferrofluid @ 97:

I spent over 40 years in Maryland. You can't spend that much time there and not run into people who work for the NSA. Want to know what they all told me about their jobs?

This:

[...]

Same thing here in Wa. I've met people that work for the gov, same thing but they could still carry on a conversation about nothing.

I never wanted to know first hand anyway. I know enough from what i read. I never met one of these people i did not like but i never talked politics with them. That was always the hardest part of our relationships.

Actually, there were not a lot of people in the bar that they would talk to at all. I felt like I could maybe gotten more out of them but then they could have clammed up with me.

Ron @ 117:

xoites (Bitter Before Country Was Cool) defends Constitution @ 114:

Ron @ 113:

xoites (Bitter Before Country Was Cool) defends Constitution @ 110:
Same thing here in Wa. I've met people that work for the gov, same thing but they could still carry on a conversation about nothing.

I never wanted to know first hand anyway. I know enough from what i read. I never met one of these people i did not like but i never talked politics with them. That was always the hardest part of our relationships.

Actually, there were not a lot of people in the bar that they would talk to at all. I felt like I could maybe gotten more out of them but then they could have clammed up with me.

wouldn't

CNN gets sued
over Jack Cafferty's remarks.

Tequila @ 122:

CNN gets sued
over Jack Cafferty's remarks.

The balloon in that lawsuit has almost as much lead in it as the toys coming out of China.

xoites (Bitter Before Country Was Cool) defends Constitution @ 125:

Ron @ 123:

xoites (Bitter Before Country Was Cool) defends Constitution @ 120:

Ron @ 117:

No way!

There is no way in hell i would ever ask anyone in that position to tell me anything. It is not only unfair to them it is also a violation of the laws governing sedition and treason. I may stongly disagree with my government but i am totally opposed to treason.

No, I never asked them anything either. I just felt that they might say something to me that they wouldn't say to someone else. Believe me, some of them have a conscience too.

I played poker with many from both CIA and NSA and Defense Intelligence and not one word about work was spoken. They know the rules. They play poker well too. I don't recommend it.

No, you didn't hear anything about their jobs, but you had to get a little about how they think and what they are all about.

Ron @ 126:

xoites (Bitter Before Country Was Cool) defends Constitution @ 125:

Ron @ 123:

xoites (Bitter Before Country Was Cool) defends Constitution @ 120:
No, I never asked them anything either. I just felt that they might say something to me that they wouldn't say to someone else. Believe me, some of them have a conscience too.

I played poker with many from both CIA and NSA and Defense Intelligence and not one word about work was spoken. They know the rules. They play poker well too. I don't recommend it.

No, you didn't hear anything about their jobs, but you had to get a little about how they think and what they are all about.

They were young highly educated computer geeks with a long streak of patriotism. Nice guys with good senses of humor who worked hard and played hard. Very highly competetive but not in a draconian way.

I like Pie @ 106:

ferrofluid @ 92:

Peter G @ 26:

bullfrog @ 20:
Do his chinese cronies have any idea how many guns are floating around the U.S. I think they better practice on Taiwan first.

For all the bluster between China and Taiwan, they have too much mutual industry at stake now to do anythings serious.

Admiral Fallon was brought into that position; becuase, he was an expert on carrier warfare. The Bush Administration wanted him in charge so that he could conduct a bombing campaign on Iran. It was a wierd place to put an Admiral. I think he is the first Admiral in US History to command a ground war. Anyways, I think this signals a change in policy. Get rid of the plans to bomb Iran and concentrate on the ground wars. It probably means that things are getting ready to heat up in Afghanistan and the Pentagon is getting nervous.

Isnt Afghanistan outside that groups sphere of control !? separate warzone and all that !

xoites (Bitter Before Country Was Cool) defends Constitution @ 128:

Ron @ 126:

xoites (Bitter Before Country Was Cool) defends Constitution @ 125:

Ron @ 123:

I played poker with many from both CIA and NSA and Defense Intelligence and not one word about work was spoken. They know the rules. They play poker well too. I don't recommend it.

No, you didn't hear anything about their jobs, but you had to get a little about how they think and what they are all about.

They were young highly educated computer geeks with a long streak of patriotism. Nice guys with good senses of humor who worked hard and played hard. Very highly competetive but not in a draconian way.

If you were asking about what they did, you get nothing. If you let them be themselves you find out some things.

xoites (Bitter Before Country Was Cool) defends Constitution @ 131:

ferrofluid @ 129:

xoites (Bitter Before Country Was Cool) defends Constitution @ 111:

ferrofluid @ 97:

I spent over 40 years in Maryland. You can't spend that much time there and not run into people who work for the NSA. Want to know what they all told me about their jobs?

This:

[...]

They could go to Congress and leak it there, I am sure there some Congresscritters that would love to talk to some NSA types about emails.

I will bet you $1,000 right now that not one of these gtuys know about anything that is illegal. They compartmentalize everything.

So the boss of the NSA gets dragged kicking and screaming into Congress and grilled.

Ron @ 132:

xoites (Bitter Before Country Was Cool) defends Constitution @ 128:

Ron @ 126:

xoites (Bitter Before Country Was Cool) defends Constitution @ 125:
No, you didn't hear anything about their jobs, but you had to get a little about how they think and what they are all about.

They were young highly educated computer geeks with a long streak of patriotism. Nice guys with good senses of humor who worked hard and played hard. Very highly competetive but not in a draconian way.

If you were asking about what they did, you get nothing. If you let them be themselves you find out some things.

To hell with that! I am not spying on my own government!

xoites (Bitter Before Country Was Cool) defends Constitution @ 136:

Ron @ 132:

xoites (Bitter Before Country Was Cool) defends Constitution @ 128:

Ron @ 126:

They were young highly educated computer geeks with a long streak of patriotism. Nice guys with good senses of humor who worked hard and played hard. Very highly competetive but not in a draconian way.

If you were asking about what they did, you get nothing. If you let them be themselves you find out some things.

To hell with that! I am not spying on my own government!

I am a courier. I have delivered things to government buildings all over DC. I have been in places most people never dream of, The NSA, the CIA, the Pentagon, FBI Headquarters.

I know some flaws, all systems have flaws.

Want to know what i know?

Too bad. You never will.

xoites (Bitter Before Country Was Cool) defends Constitution @ 139:

Ron @ 137:

xoites (Bitter Before Country Was Cool) defends Constitution @ 136:

Ron @ 132:

To hell with that! I am not spying on my own government!

How is that spying? Don't get carried away on some BS conspiracy.

Then why suggest listening to people?

I don't want to know in the first place.

Good question. You will learn more by listening than you will ever by talking. It doesn't mean you have to teach someone else.

ferrofluid @ 130:

I like Pie @ 106:

ferrofluid @ 92:

Peter G @ 26:

For all the bluster between China and Taiwan, they have too much mutual industry at stake now to do anythings serious.

Admiral Fallon was brought into that position; becuase, he was an expert on carrier warfare. The Bush Administration wanted him in charge so that he could conduct a bombing campaign on Iran. It was a wierd place to put an Admiral. I think he is the first Admiral in US History to command a ground war. Anyways, I think this signals a change in policy. Get rid of the plans to bomb Iran and concentrate on the ground wars. It probably means that things are getting ready to heat up in Afghanistan and the Pentagon is getting nervous.

Isnt Afghanistan outside that groups sphere of control !? separate warzone and all that !

Both wars fall under CENTCOM

Ron @ 140:

xoites (Bitter Before Country Was Cool) defends Constitution @ 139:

Ron @ 137:

xoites (Bitter Before Country Was Cool) defends Constitution @ 136:
How is that spying? Don't get carried away on some BS conspiracy.

Then why suggest listening to people?

I don't want to know in the first place.

Good question. You will learn more by listening than you will ever by talking. It doesn't mean you have to teach someone else.

I would much rather listen and learn from you than anyone i have ever met who works for a security arm of the US goverment.

xoites (Bitter Before Country Was Cool) defends Constitution @ 144:

Ron @ 140:

xoites (Bitter Before Country Was Cool) defends Constitution @ 139:

Ron @ 137:

Then why suggest listening to people?

I don't want to know in the first place.

Good question. You will learn more by listening than you will ever by talking. It doesn't mean you have to teach someone else.

I would much rather listen and learn from you than anyone i have ever met who works for a security arm of the US goverment.

Besides, i learned something non security related from them: Texas Hold 'em.

Much more fun (if expensive) than the latest code word for "coffee." :)

bitter Edwin Hussein @ 143:

As many of you may know, I live right beside a US army base in Seoul, Korea. This guy in the cartoon, looks like a lot of the young GIs I see "around town".

The career military guys have matured, but the new recruits look like they're ripe for exploitation!!! Fer sure. Feed 'em Kool-Aid and give them (dangerous) toys to play with. The AFN (American Forces Network) is pretty much non-stop propaganda from the Pentagon, interspersed with popular dramas and game shows. (At least I can watch Letterman on it. Thanks for that.)

They're also misled into re-upping with promises of plum assignments. My nephew just re-upped. He was in a decent position in Germany, away from the horror in the mideast, but he wanted to come back to his hometown of Fayetteville, NC, to be near his fiancee. They told him "sure" but didn't tell him he'd be going to Iraq as soon as they could fill out the paperwork. So now not only is he not learning anything to use in the civilian world once he gets out, he's cannon fodder (IED fodder?) for this corrupt regime's ego.

He's only 22, and believed what his government told him. God DAMN the whole BUSH family!!!

On the other hand his boss had no problem with him fleecing me at Texas Hold 'em. :)