Open Thread
By bluegal Wednesday May 07, 2008 10:30pm
Schoolhouse Rock defines a generation: this morning my third grade son had a school program, during which the students recited the Preamble to the US Constitution. Practically the entire audience of forty-something suburban parents suppressed both giggles and the urge to sing the version above, some more successfully than others.
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Funny video on Hillary's campaign from Huff Post today:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGTinqw-CFE
This. Is a dead parrot.
Apparently Nelson Mandela is a terrorist...
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2008-04-30-watchlist_N.htm
Time's 100 Most Influential People in the World Gala on Thursday, May 8, 2008
Hail Hail The Gangs all here
http://tinyurl.com/5onebr
Is Captain Ahab-illary Still Pursuing the Great White Male?
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L.A. Confidential @ 3:
They all love their awards don't they?
McCain uses the Hamas card against Obama. Did the gas tax holiday issue help defuse the Wright non-issue? Obama's staff also blame Rush for Indiana's results, while Rush now claims Obama can't win. Chrysler will give you a discount
on gas, if you buy their cars.
And it may survive yet.
Ah..the Constitution...i miss the good ole days.
A sink hole in Texas 26 stories deep and three football fields long had its heart in the right place but missed Crawford despite its best efforts.
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jrPQvV8m04aqHVMRXWXOCm0EL1-wD90HPJBG0
(For a little while there i thought it got C&L.)
So, the NSA finally lets us on on C&L. You guys have had a rough day.
I'm of that Schoolhouse Rock generation. Sing along: "I'm just a bill, just a lonely old bill, sitting on Capitol Hill..."
The whole series is out on DVD now. I've gotten my 10-year-old son into it. :)
Why is that when the so called "liberal media" ruled the air waves we got lessons on American values like this (sure, it isn't entirely accurate but it least it had a catchy tune) and now we get lambasted with hate speech telling us that we need to wear a lapel pin to be a real American?
I understand other political websites are down.
Firedog Lake being one of them.
Hillary is a lazy white woman.
Obama is still nice enough to consider her on the ticket. She's still broke, though, and she's trying to avoid further embarrassment.
12 ontheleftcoast Says: Why is that when the so called “liberal media” ruled the air waves we got lessons on American values like this (sure, it isn’t entirely accurate but it least it had a catchy tune) and now we get lambasted with hate speech telling us that we need to wear a lapel pin to be a real American?
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Because an informed electorate leads down the path to democracy.
What??? The press is looking into a McCain quid-pro-quo?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/05/08/AR200805...
RobertD @ 16:
The only reason they are even bringing it up is because they are reading it here. Right now they are just throwing a carrot out. On the major gaffes of McCain, we won't hear much. The MSM is not on your side.
Actually, Ron, i hear a lot. Why? Because i wised up! I no longer look to corporate media to get my information. No! I look for facts elswhere because elswhere is where they reside!
(Read the previous statement in a cheerful sun shinny voice with a big smile on your face and remember to advance the slide projector when you hear the tone!)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEJL2Uuv-oQ
15 Because an informed electorate leads down the path to democracy
Perhaps, but maybe when we get a president in office who taught constitutional law instead of one who treats it like toilet paper this sort of thing will be back in style.
xoites (Bitter before Country was Cool) defends Constitution @ 18:
There is no one that I know that is as informed as you are. For that matter, there is no one that I know personally that is more informed than I.
255 more days and 21 hours of the disastrous Bush Administration.
Then let us hope we do not get 1,461 days of McCain or Hillary. It seems there was some hanky panky in Indiana so Bush may be her mentor.
Hillary is doing everything she can for the good of the party- i mean for herself.
20 Ron Says: xoites (Bitter before Country was Cool) defends Constitution @ 18:
Actually, Ron, i hear a lot. Why? Because i wised up! I no longer look to corporate media to get my information. No! I look for facts elswhere because elswhere is where they reside!
(Read the previous statement in a cheerful sun shinny voice with a big smile on your face and remember to advance the slide projector when you hear the tone!)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEJL2Uuv-oQ
There is no one that I know that is as informed as you are. For that matter, there is no one that I know personally that is more informed than I.
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We need to get out more.
xoites (Bitter before Country was Cool) defends Constitution @ 22:
When the vote was that close and she is pushing on, I have to wonder what the f**k. We've got one mayor yelling on CNN to just go by what the computers are saying while the county is trying to verify the votes. What have you heard?
If some how Hillary ends up with the nomination i will be singing:
It's my party and I'll cry if I want to
Cry if I want to, cry if I want to
You would cry too if it happened to you
Nobody knows where our democracy has gone
But Habeas left the same time
Why have fair elections been banned
When we are supposed to lead the world?
It's my party and I'll cry if I want to
Cry if I want to, cry if I want to
You would cry too if it happened to you
Black Box voting says the last county was polled at 75% Obama but went 75% Hillary.
What happened in Lake County, Indiana?
Schoolhouse Rock is about the only definer of 'my generation' it sometimes seems. Between The Electric Company and Sesame Street, wow TV was once educational. I wouldn't have been able to keep from singing it. That's how it's imprinted upon my brain.
Hillary isn't for anyone but Hillary. What gives me gray hairs (and I've got more than enough thank you) is her possible nuclear option. It goes something like this: Obama gets to the convention with more than enough delegates but Hillary leads in some random statistic (more left-handed Latino voters in states that start with a vowel) and declares that the nomination was "stolen" from her by party insiders (or right-handed Latino voters) and she declares herself an independent (ala Lieberman) and gives the election to McSame. And you don't think she is self-serving enough to do this you haven't watched her for the last 16 years.
TDS did an amazing SchoolHouse Rock spoof about mid term elections:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=oowPidJSeb4
And SNL did a great Conspiracy Theory Rock about media ownership:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=zDEO9ipned0
Both are sadly true...
xoites (Bitter before Country was Cool) defends Constitution @ 26:
I trust Bev Harris (Black Box Voting) Hacking Democracy. She's from here where I live.
I have always believed Hillary was self serving. She is on a direct course to destroy her party and her country. I have never supported her. If she does run as a third party candidate Rush Limbaugh will cum all over his microphone.
Schoolhouse rock turns this gay boy on . . .
You know, in the above video? Not a single person was asked to show ID to vote. And bring back those paper ballots, too!
And whatever happened to promoting for the general welfare of the people?
We've come a long way, Baby!
32 Ryan Says: Schoolhouse rock turns this gay boy on . . .
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No need to go clubbing then.
I truly believe that the repugnantcants think that they have a better chance against Clinton.
Of course they do, that is why they all want her to win the nomination. Kill two birds with one stone. No waman President and no black President.
Xoites... I know that you don't like HRC, but I was very impressed with her when she was first lady... Despite everything, I still think she is an accomplished lady -- tragically imperfect -- but I wanna give her a few days to come out of denial until I start bashing her.
Until should be before *
Even if it is true more Democrats would vote for Hillary than Obama (which i doubt) i think more Republicans would vote for McCain if Hillary gets the nomination than if Obama gets the nomination.
xoites (Bitter before Country was Cool) defends Constitution @ 39:
I agree. And that worries me.
She is not in Denile. She is on a Crusade!
xoites (Bitter before Country was Cool) defends Constitution @ 36:
The worst thing that could happen is, most people vote straight ticket. So, if they vote McCain, they will vote repugnant across the board.
31 If she does run as a third party candidate Rush Limbaugh will cum all over his microphone.
I just got a rather nauseating mental picture of Rush as the dick head he is... well, you can fill in the rest. Thanks, now I'm laughing and wretching at the same time.
My favorite quote of the week:
-Olbermann
From Bushed segment: http://rawstory.com/rawreplay/?p=1008
43 ontheleftcoast Says:
...now I’m laughing and wretching at the same time.
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Sounds dangerous.
Be carefull.
Thanks stirfry, great comment by Keith.
Fortunately its time for KO here in the Seattle area. If any of you remember a musical comedian, I forget his name (Mark something?), he played piano and sang polictical songs. He had one that went something like, "And then I turned to the sports page... we're they can't make losers seem like winners..." So here we have one of the few honest news announcers and lo and behold, he was a sportscaster. How prophetic.
hillary ignores everybody but the white people. Now who put the old southern racism into the race? this proves she would rather divide that unite. she is a mean, vindictive, sore loser.
she hails that she get votes from uneducated people. Why is she dissing her base? Nice going hillary. hillary you should count the people with a half a brain, they voted for you too.
Go Obama!
Go USA!
hillarys fall:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6Lstkiexhc
LOL
Believe it. Everybody better make a difference. It's all we got.
xoites (Bitter before Country was Cool) defends Constitution @ 45:
http://www.instantrimshot.com/
Ouchy! Hillary just got one of those low, slow boo-hisses on The Daily Show. Not a good sign, especially when you couple it with the fact that she is pretty much done in her run for president.
Eh. Worse things have happened. Sen Clinton will have a very long and significant career in spite of her unsuccessful bid.
xoites (Bitter before Country was Cool) defends Constitution @ 46:
np. it needed to be repeated.
48 Barrett D Says: hillarys fall:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6Lstkiexhc
LOL
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It took me a while to stop laughing.
This is a must see.
'swonderful that kids get educated about the constitution by any means possible, including this song, which is well sung in a voice reminiscent of the late Karen Carpenter. But why the banjo? This instrument invented by enslaved African Americans, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banjo, is always used when portraying in movies back-road car chases, and anything else Americana. To me, using that otherwise wonderful insturment in that cliched manner seems to somehow further the meme that Americans with "values" are really at their core just down-home, anti-elitist/intellectual, Little House on the No Fairies Allowed, let's John Wayne our way across the globe, have a beer together white guys. That kind of banjo bugs me. There's some wonderful bluegrass music with banjo, though, but I also like the way Taj Mahal used it. He didn't on this one, but it's cool, too: http://youtube.com/watch?v=MdSf_wiMVMc
I sent an Obama e-mail to the wrong address and got an e-mail back!
In case there are any Sen. Obama supports here here's the info:
My own rimshot!
I need to find a way to carry it around in my pocket! :)
Bonkers Hussein @ 51:
I'm sure everything will be better when the former campaign slogan becomes a memoir book title and the Simon and Schuster checks start rollin in.
xoites (Bitter before Country was Cool) defends Constitution @ 56:
I'm looking for that "bad punchline" horn sound, "wah wah wah waaaah" .
That would be good to have too! :)
GNA!
Me too.
GNA!
Tequila @ 6:
so when is somebody going to say 'okay...youre the group most hated by americans and you want a certain person to win because theyre great for recruiting...would you endorse them or their opponent?'
anyway, this post isnt about that...its about a time where entertainment strove to make children smarter by not insulting their intelligence...not only was there 'school house rock' but also Infocom text-only games (remember the Zork series?)...
by the by, as awesome as that series was, go to iTunes and pick up 'School House Rock Rocks!'. One of the best covers of all-time is Blind Melon's version of 'Three is the Magic Number'
xoites (Bitter before Country was Cool) defends Constitution @ 53:
I've got tears in my eyes, that was so funny. You don't have to anit-Hillary or pro anyone else to appreciate good satire and good writing.
Oh man....hee heee....
Well, McCain certainly knows how to woo the Conservative/Republican base. Anything that is vague in description and can not possibly be "won" because the target tends to be a matter of perspective or an action is the perfect cause for a war from their view. McCain's latest war cry is to have a war on "evil". That is probably the most ridiculous cause for a war that I have ever heard of but the Conservatives will eat it up none the less. It beats Bush’s war on “terror” hands down that’s for sure.
To woo conservatives, McCain pledges war on 'evil'
http://rawstory.com/news/2008/McCain_declares_war_on_evil_0508.html
From NYT via Americanblog:
Sen. John McCain championed legislation that will let an Arizona rancher trade remote grassland and ponderosa pine forest here for acres of valuable federally owned property that is ready for development, a land swap that now stands to directly benefit one of his top presidential campaign fundraisers.
Initially reluctant to support the swap, the Arizona Republican became a key figure in pushing the deal through Congress after the rancher and his partners hired lobbyists that included McCain's 1992 Senate campaign manager, two of his former Senate staff members (one of whom has returned as his chief of staff), and an Arizona insider who was a major McCain donor and is now bundling campaign checks.
http://www.americablog.com/
Corruption!
I dearly love School House Rock. It was on Saturdays between The Pink Panther and Underdog.
(In The News)
You've been eaten by a GRUE.
Any one heard of a music group by the name of Eleven Federation?
This article makes absolutely no sense. It's stating that if Obama pays off hillary's campaign debt she may soften up and leave the race. Uhhhh? This will mean that Sen. Obama will be paying for her campaign against him. What does hillary care if she's losing money it's Obama's dime? She will try to bankrupt Sen. Obama.
Shhhheeeeesssshhhhh
BTW -- I saw hillary say she didn't expect to win big in IN. What load of crap.
After seeing this video I'm not so surprised anymore about that Absolut ad from Mexico. The people of Schoolhouse Rock seem to think that the whole of the modern USA was US territory even before the foundation of the original 13 states ...
Mike Malloy of NovaM RAdio and Richard Clout from Air America are bringing the noise to the democracy of America. Hope you are catching the movement.
This song hurt my grade in an early government class.
We had to recite the preamble. I thought I knew it because of this song. It leaves out four critical words, I learned quickly and forever when I failed: We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union...."
The feds continue to demonize marijuana, while keeping Prozac and Zoloft legal.
Republiscum think welfare for housing lenders who gambled on the backs of home-owners is ok, but not the home-owners themselves.
11 McKaren Says: I’m of that Schoolhouse Rock generation. Sing along: “I’m just a bill, just a lonely old bill, sitting on Capitol Hill…”
The whole series is out on DVD now. I’ve gotten my 10-year-old son into it. :)
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That's mean. After the junta declares martial law, itll be a pipedream; nostalgia. ;)
13 xoites (Bitter before Country was Cool) defends Constitution Says: I understand other political websites are down.
Firedog Lake being one of them.
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It's for the purge. They're scanning databases. Deciding who's been naughty and who's been nice. It must mean, Halliburton has finished constructing the "detention centres".
bitter Edwin Hussein @ 73:
Do you remember a Simpsons episode with a dead on parody of the "i'm just a bill" song:
Kid: "HEy, who left all this garbage on the steps of Congress?"
Amendment: "I'm not garbage, kid.
I'm an amendment to be
Yes an amendment to be
And I'm hoping that they ratify me
There's a lot of flag burners
Who have got too much freedom
I wanna make it legal for policemen
To beat 'em 'cause there's limits to our liberty
At least I hope and pray that there are
'Cause those liberal freaks go too far"
Boy: "But why can't we just make a law against flag burning?"
Amendment: "Because that law would be unconstitutional
But if we CHANGED the Constitution..."
Boy: "Then we could make all sorts of crazy laws!"
Amendment: "Now you're catching on!"
http://www.milkandcookies.com/link/48876/detail/
And they got Jack Sheldon, who sang the original "i'm just a Bill"... Good stuff..
Oh man....i always get chills when they hit that...."...do ordain and establish this constitution..." part
There is a giant sink hole in Texas and it is still growing. Is there any chance it may reach Crawford?
25 xoites (Bitter before Country was Cool) defends Constitution Says: If some how Hillary ends up with the nomination i will be singing:
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And if McSame beats the Democratic Candidate it's time to arm the militias. (Maybe the 2nd ain't so bad??)
63 Bonkers Hussein Says: xoites (Bitter before Country was Cool) defends Constitution @ 53:
48 Barrett D Says: hillarys fall:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6Lstkiexhc
LOL
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It took me a while to stop laughing.
This is a must see.
I’ve got tears in my eyes, that was so funny. You don’t have to anit-Hillary or pro anyone else to appreciate good satire and good writing.
Oh man….hee heee….
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LOL. (And, for anyone reading, that is the first time I've ever used "LOL" in my life. I am not one to jump on the bandwagon?)
I'm surprised no one has mention this: "John Bolton: We Must Bomb Iran Now" (May 7, 2008)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__jVRnmmHJs
Obama picked up two more superdelegates today.
Now, he's just 6.5 superdelegates short of Clinton's total.
By next week he'll probably be at least six ahead, and if the pace picks up he could be double digits ahead!
ronhohn @ 77:
hagee said God is punishing Texas for chimpy's war.
Hussein in a Handbasket @ 81:
I don't know why people would throw good money after bad.
11 McKaren Says: I’m of that Schoolhouse Rock generation. Sing along: “I’m just a bill, just a lonely old bill, sitting on Capitol Hill…”
The whole series is out on DVD now. I’ve gotten my 10-year-old son into it. :)
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When I have kids in the future, I hope they'll watch my dvds too. I still love SHR. Wow, The Constitution. Can you believe how they've butcher it in so few years?
77 ronhohn Says: There is a giant sink hole in Texas and it is still growing. Is there any chance it may reach Crawford?
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If it did, Bush would probably be there in, oh, 4 or 5 days :-)
xoites (Bitter before Country was Cool) defends Constitution @ 13:
this might have something to do with it, our old friend Joe and the 'slit our throats, brainwash our kids brigade'
xoites (Bitter before Country was Cool) defends Constitution @ 31:
Only if he doesnt get arrested again for a third time for the drugs he will need to do so.
Maybe it's just my hangover, but I found myself strangely moved by the simple melody and the message of the song.
Hezbollah gunmen seize large swathes of Beirut
Hezbollah is spreading that herr dubyah style of democracy.
Daily Reading pt 1...
Carbon Dioxide Emissions are Rapidly Accelerating, According to the Earth Policy Institute - http://www.treehugger.com/files/2008/05/carbon-dioxide-emissions-are-rapidly-accelerating.php
A Picture is Worth...A Hundred Thousand Words...Myanmar Before and After Cyclone Nargis - http://www.treehugger.com/files/2008/05/picture-worth-myanmar.php
For those still wondering if climate crisis is real...
Bush EPA (rocket fuel puts hair on your chest) Water Update, EPA: Why Impose Limits on Toxicant Levels in the Water Supply? - http://www.treehugger.com/files/2008/05/toxic-water.php
Portrait of an oil-addicted former superpower; How rising oil prices are obliterating America's superpower status - http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2008/5/8/153211/0730
The longer we hold this country hostage with old, polluting, finite energy sources...the deeper the abyss of the dollar, the economy, the environment, and the future of this country...
Five bucks a gallon? More like $7-$10...Goldman says oil 'likely' to hit $150-$200 by 2010 (or sooner 'within 24 months') - http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2008/5/7/124117/0907
Anyone want to hitch their wagon to that star??????????? The crappy Lieberman-Warner climate bill has already been deepsixed by Republican malfeasance....we need a Democratic majority in both houses in 2008 or we're f@#ked...
Is the Lieberman-Warner Climate Bill on its Last Legs? - http://www.treehugger.com/files/2008/05/lieberman-warner-end.php
Oh Lieberman-Warner climate bill, we hardly knew ye: Climate Progress' Joe Romm brings us the sad news that the legislation may be on its way out -- victim, as he put it, of "apathy" and some serious watering down (read: neutering). Oh yes: It also turns out that whole "getting 60 votes" thing got in the way....
WE NEED A MAJORITY IN BOTH HOUSES this year....we're out of time...if your state Democratic Senate candidate doesn't have a chance, then please help out others in other states that do....
US Trucking Industry Launches Program to Reduce Fuel Consumption and CO2 Emissions - http://www.greencarcongress.com/2008/05/us-trucking-ind.html
Age is a touchy subject for McCain, who turns 72 in August and would be the oldest person to be sworn in as president if elected.
- http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5itzEFe8o5QDV0EFCZG6ZJDbJwdLQD90HQJSG2
McBush = Bush Obama 08
Shameful & Disgraceful: U.S. Consumers Rank LAST In World Survey of Green Habits: by Queenie Wong - http://www.mcclatchydc.com/251/story/36248.html
Americans rank LAST in a new National Geographic-sponsored survey released Wednesday that compares environmental consumption habits in 14 countries. Americans were least likely to choose the greener option in three out of four categories - housing, transportation and consumer goods_ according to the assessment. In the fourth category, food, Americans ranked ahead of Japanese consumers, who eat more meat and seafood.
Brazil & India were tops, followed by (gasp) China, Mexico, Russia, UK, Germany, Australia, France, Canada...and then bringing up the rear (as usual) U.S.
This is an instance where government intervention is critical...unlike the illegal spying, Republican collusion with Big Oil/Coal to keep alternatives out of the game, and illegal/immoral wars of choice bankrupting a nation...
Lawyers for Guantánamo Inmates Accuse U.S. of Eavesdropping - http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/07/us/07gitmo.html?_r=1&ref=washington&or...
In interviews and a court filing Tuesday, lawyers for detainees at Guantánamo said they believed government agents had monitored their conversations. The assertions are the most specific to date by Guantánamo lawyers that officials may be violating legal principles that have generally kept government agents from eavesdropping on lawyers.
Daily Reading pt 2...
Right out of the con-servative playbook: Rumsfeld blames the generals for poor pre-war planning. - http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/08/rumsfeld-blames-the-generals-for-poo...
No....the idiotic/greedy/lower than any other lifeform on earth PNAC cabal is to blame...their evil driven stupidity and 'free market' chaos by design....has bankrupted both countries
US terror report misses the point - http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/JE08Ak02.html
It remains unclear how powerful al-Qaeda really is, and how much of its capabilities were hyped in order to enable the Bush administration to continue its mission.
Why would the Bush administration be chasing al-Qaeda in Somalia, as in Iraq, if the group is reportedly in a powerful position back in Afghanistan?
Cause as long as the boogeyman is out there...the low brow idiots will still vote against their own best interests...
Elizabeth Edwards: "Reform Healthcare Responsibly, Morally, and Agressively." - http://bluenc.com/elizabeth-edwards%3A-%22reform-health-care-responsibly...
Former President Jimmy Carter says delegates from Florida and Michigan should not be counted at the Democratic National Convention because they 'disqualified themselves.'
- http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080507/NEWS15/80507112
On “The Tonight Show” today, Carter also warned of a disaster if party insiders try to wrest the nomination from the candidate with the largest number of votes and state victories.
“It would be a catastrophe for the party,” Carter told Jay Leno.
Politico: Obama plans to declare victory May 20 - http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0508/10184.html
For What It's Worth: Two Republican officials at the Republican National Committee who are involved in "opposition research efforts" in preparation for the general election say the RNC's oppo research dossier on Sen. Clinton runs more than 1,200 pages in length. A Clinton October Surprise?
- http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/05/08/998470.aspx
About time: Democratic Groups Redirect Their Fire at McCain - http://www.cqpolitics.com/wmspage.cfm?parm1=5&docID=news-000002718960
ABC News has learned that David Bonior, the campaign manager for the 2008 presidential race of Sen. John Edwards, D-NC, will endorse Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois, today. Bonior, a former Michigan congressman, was once the second highest ranking Democrat in the House, and is influential with labor unions.
- http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/05/edwards-campaig.html
Legacy of the Bush Crime Family: Report: More Than 43,000 Unfit Troops Deployed - http://www.usatoday.com/news/military/2008-05-07-nondeploy_N.htm
John M. Sleaze Watch: McCain Pushed Land Swap That Benefits Backer - http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/05/08/AR200805...
Hybrid, Plug-In Hybrid, and Extended-Range Electric Car Animated Primer - http://www.treehugger.com/files/2008/05/hybrid-plug-in-electric-car-anim...
Ford Becomes First Automaker to Join the Climate Registry - http://www.treehugger.com/files/2008/05/ford-joins-climate-registry-glob...
Now they need to massively overhaul their entire fleet...the escape is a good start...time to change all other models...
That is precisely where I learned the preamble. Good memories. I also remember Conjunction junction.
that was a good use of television on saturday morning. Alas and alack, it is no more.
Oil just hit above $125/bbl. this morning... much higher than the previous record of the inflation adjusted spike of ~$100/bbl. in the early 80's. So next time you pump gas, don't forget to thank a Republican for such cheap, cheap prices.
I just heard the USA Today interview that Hillary did and I see that she is throwing the race card out again front and center. She say's that she can only get the white vote and Obama can't. It is time for super delegates to put a end to this for the good of the party. If they allow this to go on McCrazy will become the next president. I don't care who anyone supports, but the time has come to see who the real enemy is, and its not Obama.
personaly i dont care for either clinton or obama ,and i find it reduclis to even think obamas going to win in november , obamas the candidate the repigs want to run against, they will certainly play the racist card up to the hilt, as i stated before why is everyone ignoreing that both clinton and obama have said the same things? only obama pussy foots in his answers on nukeing iran , withdrawing from iraq , wanting to enlarge the war in afganistan, threatening pakistan, and both support israel with our military, and much more ! when or if thier is actually an election in november and obama takes the whitehouse he will be faced with a government thats controlled by the corporations , and you dont go against such power and get anything worthwhile done , the democrats are infiltraited by repub lites and are takeing war profits home to daddy or mommy faster then a monkey can sling his own crap at you thru the cages bars, and thiers allways anthrax , or a nice sunny drive down some street in Dalas tex in an open air convertable waiting for any who try to go against the under government that controls america, at eny event at least clinton can get things done she knows who and where to go to if she intends to deliver any of her promisses, obama will be ignored by the senate and congress , neither obama or clintons going to restore the constitutional rights that were taken from us , so get used to meaningless victorys after who ever wins the whitehouse ! LOL!
AN OPEN LETTER TO VICE PRESIDENT RICHARD BRUCE CHENEY
dear sir,
please have barack hussein obama's back. remember, y'all's blood cousins.
you're related to his white grandfather who signed up the day after pearl harbor and fought in patton's army.
any help protecting your cous' would be greatly appreciated.
thanks,
a concerned citizen
tyree@93: So to sum up what you said,is that it is all a lost cause, so we should all just face up to the fact that there is nothing we can do to try and change anything, so we should just be good sheep and go home and shut the fuck up. Some of us will keep trying, even if as you say its a losing cause.
I come from that generation too and after reading some of the comments, it brought back so many memories. Thanks for bringing them back.
diamondmc @ 95:
i already tried recommending grampa ty try tapdancing on the sunny side of the street a little more often, but it's still 24/7 doom n' gloom with that guy.
would you believe he was once a fearless man in uniform, korea circa '51..?
[this is just a warning, everybody back off. It's too early and I have finished my first cup of coffee yet. sheesh. Site Monitor.]
Diamond since you put it that way! yeah pretty much! enjoy the reality!
UN suspends aid to Myanmar after military seizes aid relief shipments:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080509/ap_on_re_as/myanmar_cyclone
I'm not normally for entangling military in this sort of thing, but couldn't the UN hold an emergency session and get some military backing to go in here? Just wonderin'...
when's amato gonna bring back the gravatars? i miss seeing everyone's little pictures.
stan rosenthal says he knows how to do it. won't someone from c&l get on it?
whats 1951 got to do with today diamond? when i left korea i said this wars not over yet , some day leaveing korea with the communists still there will come back to haunt us , guess i dont get to much wrong,
YEAH!! Schoolhouse Rock!!
I loved SHR. Knew them all by heart. Still do. Which is really funny for a Canadian. :D But let's face it... they're so well done how can you not like them?
bullfrog since your a backstaber and a fair weather friend i wont respond to much to your snide remark , but you have a nice day sonny!
tyree@98: Sorry Sir, I don't walk around with that dark cloud over my head. Got to keep on trying to change the way this country is going. If we all take your viewpoint then we surrender to the enemy. I will NEVER surrender.
tyree@101: I don't know, you brought up 1951, so you tell me.
diamond ,and will you take up arms if you have to to avoid surendering ? because it may come to that!
no you brought up 1951 diamond not me?
I'm of that generation.
So much of what I know can be traced back to those short cartoons, which were produced back when the Federal government still required that a certain percentage of kids programming be "educational". ABC's "School House Rock" segments during commercial breaks were "Must See TV".
Thanks to SHR, I know the Preamble, I know how a bill becomes a law. I know what a "Conjunction" is and I know what "Interjections" are. :)
tyree@107: I'm 60yrs old, I to have also fought in one of our shitty (viet nam) wars. I have seen and done alot in my life. I've been a member of a outlaw motorcycle club for 30yrs and I have also worked in leftwing poltics most of my adult life. That should answer your question.
tyree@108: Show me were I brought up 1951.
but it doesnt diamond! i dont disparage viet nam vets , you insinuated by your statement on can you believe this guy fought in korea in 1951, what was your meaning? that i cant have an opinnion other then the one you have?
It's a bit early this mornin for a minor skirmish, ain't it guys?
apparently your statements been stricken from your post , its gone now but it was attached to your post!
[I removed nothing tyree. I'd like everyone to take a break for 5 minutes ok. I'd really like to finish my coffee. Site Monitor]
tyree, I don't know what the hell you are talking about? I never mentioned Koera or your right to have a opinion. All I said is I don't agree with your viewpoint.
morning mudshark! thiers no flameing going on , i believe its called self defence!
tyree@114: Eveything that I have posted on this thread is still up. If someone attached something to one of my posts, please direct your comments to that person.
at any event the statements gone now, so forget it,
I remember watching that during Fat Albert. Ha Ha.
sorry diamond apparently it was bull frog , i miss read the post!
I bought this video for my young grandchildren to see and learn from, only to find that my grown children, their parents, were thrilled to see it and recall the songs themselves.
post# 97!
tyree@120: Thanks, no big deal.
I read where it is unprecedented that Myanmar is refusing humanitarian aid. Didn't DOHS refuse the worlds help in rescuing our own during Hurricane Katrina? The swedes wanted to give us a free water purification machine, the germans wanted to give us a working phone system; all support offered to us was quickly dismissed as unneeded. All the while Dumbya was trying to learn to play guitar, on vacation, watching baseball, or eating birthday cake.
Instead, it took a week to draft up another contract for Blackwater to go in there like it was a war zone guns drawn house to house; there was no humanitarian aid whatsoever. Our national guard and their equipment tied up in Iraq.
Katrina @ 124:
You raise a very valid point. I for one see the similarities.
Katrina @ 124:
You summed it up perfectly.
I'd really like to see if Bush, Cheney, or McCain could recite the preamble. I doubt they can, and if they could they probably think its all too liberal.
I think it would be good if Obama opened up his acceptance speech with those words. That as President he will strive for a more perfect union and fight hard to:
* provide for the common defense
* establish justice
* promote the general welfare
* ensure domestic tranquility
* and secure the blessings of liberty for ourselves and our children and our children's children.
It would be great to have a President work for that.
the thing is the day the korean war ended and all my buddies were patting thier selves on the back old doom and gloom tyree said dont congratulate yourselves so early , i said look at thoes mountains boys the north koreans are going to dig in to them so deep we,ll never blow them out of them , i said they can dig tunnels under the dmz and they will rebuild thier forces better then they were! of course i believed it wouldnt be for another ten yrs before they became such a threat , wrong on the time line, but not on the outcome , and you know what the boys said sorry terrible that was my nickname even the skipper called me that , to go on they said the north koreans would never be a threat again , old doom and gloom was right, hey i take no enjoyment in being right ,the fact is if we ever have to try and take thoes hills ever again blood will flow off thoes hills and look like a river!
I sang the Preamble Song to my intro US history class (college). It's an effective way to remember the words (even if it's missing 4).
Few peopl know who the genius was behind Schoolhouse Rock, Bob Dorough was the principal music director. A well established figure in the jazz field, he wrote a large number of the Schoolhouse songs as well as performing many. To assist in the performances, he brought on board many of the friends he had made and performed with from the jazz world. You can find Mr. Dorough touring hotel bars and jazz clubs on the east coast. If you are a bop jazz fan take some time and listen to him, he and Blossom Dearie (yes that is her real name) are two of my favorites.
Schoolhouse rock is returning, sort of...
From Bobs site
http://www.bobdorough.com/
"Most of the original team is back, doing songs about the Inconvenient Truth, with Tom Yohe, Jr. taking the place and nicely so of his father, the late Tom Yohe who was director of animation for the series. Songs are being written by Lynn Ahrens, David Frishberg, Bob Dorough, George Newall, and their new writer, Andy Brick. Sessions are being booked and Bob Dorough will make a fast flying trip to Los Angeles to record the voice of Jack Sheldon, who is one of the most favored voices in Schoolhouse Rock. The new series, for Disney/ABC, will most likely be offered in a DVD format rather than being broadcast as they were in the seventies. But stay tuned."
Ha. My daughter heard me playing this from the other room and ran in.... "What are you watching?"... She's now a 19 year old university student, recognized it from grade school, and started singing along!
My husband's freshman history professor asked the class if anyone knew the Preamble and the entire room spontaneously burst into "We the People, in order to form a more perfect union...." - singing the whole thing having learned it from Schoolhouse Rock. We have the DVD - we both grew up on this stuff (we're both 42). It was and still is fantastic.
The forces of propoganda are coopting the internets inherent democratic value.
uruknet.info, No longer searched by google. Why? It's all about occupied lands of the US and Israel.
Wikipedia got caught with Zionists in their midst. We should be careful that the rewriting of history is not occuring.
Honestly, the doubt I have towards Israel and the last 60 years makes me question the severity of the Holocaust.
Heh. In 1981, My 8th Grade Civics teacher broke the bad news that we would be required to recite the Preamble as part of our grade. "Now, it's not really that hard," he began....
My class, en masse, simply sang it to him. "Can we have our A now?"
The man was astounded and went and told the teacher in a neighboring classroom... and THAT class sang it to him, too. Turns out, nearly every student in the six 8th grade classrooms already knew it from Schoolhouse Rock.
And now I have subjected all my nieces and nephews to the DVDs. The wheel goes round.
107 tyree Says: whats 1951 got to do with today diamond? when i left korea i said this wars not over yet , some day leaveing korea with the communists still there will come back to haunt us , guess i dont get to much wrong,
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-->tyree, it might interest you to know: the conservative element (aka old folks: alive during the war), in Korea, are still pro-USA. People under the age of 45 are anti-USA (and often feel a stronger affiliation with their separated-brothers in North Korea, but don't want re-unification because of the economic downside). They are anti-USA because they don't see how you help them at all, other than only the wealthiest Korean corporations/elite, and are actually a drain-on-the-economy with all the bases and GIs over here (true or not). And they see how you are fucking up the world, in general, and are the force behind globalisation, and verging on America Empire.
Their recollection of the war is of two empires battling each other, while they got stuck in the middle. Yes, the USA and Russia, using Korea as a training ground. They are sometimes bitter. (As the Vietnamese call the "Vietnam war", the "American war".)
Next time McSame says, bases like in Germany and Korea, realize each has a unique story to tell (with a very negative side included), and it ain't in the least similar to IRAQ!!!!!!!!
The troops in Korea aren't always "greeted as liberators:" by all. And, yes, their is still a communist ideal (or extreme left) left in the minds of some: not that they want it, but they see the merits.
tyree at 134:
hey i take no enjoyment in being right ,the fact is if we ever have to try and take thoes hills ever again blood will flow off thoes hills and look like a river!
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I think North Korea will go the way of China, given time, and perhaps once Kim Jong il is not dear leader. In the meantime there is no preceived attack threat to any neighbours: it just won't happen. The only possible threat is nuclear, but I am quite certain it is for self-defence only, a deterrrent, to say, "We are not Iraq. You may not march in here with your empire." (They have no oil anyway, but... )
#141 bitter edwin, my how soon they forget ,id assume koreas history books are very limited as to what happened on june 25th, 1950 , the north koreans attacked from the north with a humungas artillery barrage and engaged the few south korean divisions above soul , with t34 tanks and overwhelming ground forces , many of whom fought against the nationalist chinese army and were extreemly good , the south was left by the american government with no offencive armaments fearing sigman rhee would try to forcefully reunite north and south korea, he as much as said he would if possible, thier were few american combat troops in korea on the day of the attack , just a few advisors and security guards for the embassy in soul, the south koreans dragged young kids off the streets and put rifels in thier hands and forced them to fight, after the north koreans broke thru the south korean lines civillians fled south towards pusan, and with hundreads of civillians on the han river bridge it was blown up with many civillians killed
then we forced the united nations to send troops to defend the south koreans , but first general mac sent garrison troops untrained and with little ammo and combat gear to delay the north koreans , our guys bled not for this country but for the south koreans and for three yrs and three months we kept bleeding for them, now if the korean people have become such pricks they dont remember what it was like to be controlled by the communists then screw them, we left thousand of communist gurellias there and im sure they have a great inflence on the young and stupid who never sufferd thru that war!
and i will add one more thing about the fatasy about us and russia useing korea for a proveing ground for our weapons except for jet fighters and thiers we never had any weapons that werent used in ww2, we used old outdated crap the same shit that was left over from fighting on iwo jima okinawa and even d day on normandy, what crap , personally id like to see our troops out of there , watch the koreans shit in thier drawers if we ever do!
oh and that was just a short version of the korean war and its probably 51 sentences more then youll find in the korean history books and outside of two south korean army divisions the rest of the south korean army was shit and everytime they were attacked they broke and ran exposeing our flanks and got many a good american boy killed!!!!!!!!!!
i still know the 50 united states in alphabetical order, after having to sing them... not sure when... but still know them.
"50 nifty united states from 13 original colonies."... too bad i did not learn the preamble, seems a bit more, important.... anyone else know stuck with this song after thirty years?
We the people; well not women or blacks or non land owners or any indigenous tribes that will be genocidically slaughtered later ...
Somehow school rock always left off that last part called REALITY.
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