Obama is forced to throw his entire church under the bus. Thanks, Neo-McCarthyites.

Hey all!

I am looking for Hillary supporters. If you're in Hils camp, would you pop by here when you get a sec?

http://livefrankly.wordpress.com/2008/05/31/an-honest-question-to-clinto...

Thanks in advance!

MsJoanne @ 3:

Hey all!

I am looking for Hillary supporters. If you're in Hils camp, would you pop by here when you get a sec?

http://livefrankly.wordpress.com/2008/05/31/an-honest-question-to-clinto...

Thanks in advance!

Nice blog page. I wrote this last year for the 4th of July.
http://myfightfordemocracy.blogspot.com/2007/07/new-declaration-of-indep...

Tequila @ 1:

Obama is forced to throw his entire church under the bus. Thanks, Neo-McCarthyites.

Now McCain and Joe 'H' Lieberman can do the same, renounce denounce Hagee and his anti Semitic creed.

Ha. Way to go, kid. Thanks, O.

Orangutan. @ 6:

Picture of Karl Rove in Minnesota. America will survive.

and did they really want that TShirt in a photo with Karl ?, maybe he is a troother too !

Am I the only one who noticed this?

SWINDLE: Another Day, Another Corrupt McCain Advisor

After having several staffers resign from his campaign for their lobbyist or 527 activities, McCain has another advisor who is BOTH! Orson Swindle (yes, that's actually his name) also has ties to Abramoff.

This needs to get some exposure.

calgarylady @ 14:

Ron, you are on the money tonight !

I'm going to post a link on every thread I participate in until The 4th or maybe longer. You ladies can help if you like.

Hi Ron, clady et al. What's up tonight?

L.A. Confidential:

the wall street journal editorial page is watching you show them you’re tough.

Letting Murdoch buy them out really shows strength.

repugs are the worlds best liars.
repugs can eat crap and tell you its ice cream
hillary is destroying the dems
anybody who would vote mccain rather then Obama is a arsewhole

I remember in 2004 Kerry getting attacked by the GOP because he married a multi millionaire and was out of touch. So the GOP nominates someone who married a multi millionaire and is out of touch. Got to love that irony.

calgarylady @ 22:

Good evening, all! I spent the entire day trying to email a pic of my cat to a friend, but for some reason it will not go through. Most frustrating. If anyone has a suggestion, it would be appreciated. :-)

Get or use a Gmail account... it is quite simple to load and email images.. (at very large resolutions)

It is free and it is handy for that purpose...

calgarylady @ 22:

Good evening, all! I spent the entire day trying to email a pic of my cat to a friend, but for some reason it will not go through. Most frustrating. If anyone has a suggestion, it would be appreciated. :-)

What size is the file? If it's a bitmap it may exceed a size limit. If it is just convert to a jpg and try again.

McCain's YouTube Problem Has Just Become A Nightmare: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEtZlR3zp4c

This is a 527 ad the Democrats can simply loop. I love when you can use a candidate's words and actions against them. In McCain's case, it's TERRIBLY easy because just like Bill Clinton, he hasn't adjusted to the idea that every word you say and action you make for your entire life can become public knowledge in seconds if video or audio exists of it.

MoveOn Necadawg @ 26:

send the cat in a attachement

I heard MoveOn.og is now on Bill Clinton's official enemy list according to Politico.

Thanks guys. I'll deal with it tomorrow. Now it's time to have fun and laughs :-)

harley @ 32:

How much money did Obama waste since Iowa to campaign against Killary? I would guess around $150M he could of used to run against McCain.

How much in debt has Hillary gone in since Iowa? I think that's the bigger story because Obama has unlimited fundraising potential. Who is going to pay off Hillary's debts? When I go on Hillary's message boards, it's said how her supporters are still tragically donating to her campaign buying into this idea that this great conspiracy occurred that robbed her of the nomination. There aren't anymore big media buys so she's basically pocketing the money to run her scorched earth campaign this summer to the convention and to pay off her debts. I think that should be criminal. I'm all for unity, but Obama would be crazy to help her with her debts when Bill prints his own money through speaking fees.

ferrofluid (Obama 08) @ 7:

Tequila @ 1:

Obama is forced to throw his entire church under the bus. Thanks, Neo-McCarthyites.

Now McCain and Joe 'H' Lieberman can do the same, renounce denounce Hagee and his anti Semitic creed.

sorry! hagee is the new moses...

Mister Anderson @ 35:

harley @ 32:

How much money did Obama waste since Iowa to campaign against Killary? I would guess around $150M he could of used to run against McCain.

How much in debt has Hillary gone in since Iowa? I think that's the bigger story because Obama has unlimited fundraising potential. Who is going to pay off Hillary's debts? When I go on Hillary's message boards, it's said how her supporters are still tragically donating to her campaign buying into this idea that this great conspiracy occurred that robbed her of the nomination. There aren't anymore big media buys so she's basically pocketing the money to run her scorched earth campaign this summer to the convention and to pay off her debts. I think that should be criminal. I'm all for unity, but Obama would be crazy to help her with her debts when Bill prints his own money through speaking fees.

a conspiracy also known as a hard-working and skillfully organized grass roots campaign.

Mister Anderson @ 35:

harley @ 32:

How much money did Obama waste since Iowa to campaign against Killary? I would guess around $150M he could of used to run against McCain.

How much in debt has Hillary gone in since Iowa? I think that's the bigger story because Obama has unlimited fundraising potential. Who is going to pay off Hillary's debts? When I go on Hillary's message boards, it's said how her supporters are still tragically donating to her campaign buying into this idea that this great conspiracy occurred that robbed her of the nomination. There aren't anymore big media buys so she's basically pocketing the money to run her scorched earth campaign this summer to the convention and to pay off her debts. I think that should be criminal. I'm all for unity, but Obama would be crazy to help her with her debts when Bill prints his own money through speaking fees.

Then again you've made it clear that you believe being named Clinton or voting for her should be a criminal offense. Why not give it a rest. Just for the open thread.

CoIntelPro for Democratic Party Victory @ 39:

Mister Anderson @ 35:

harley @ 32:

How much money did Obama waste since Iowa to campaign against Killary? I would guess around $150M he could of used to run against McCain.

How much in debt has Hillary gone in since Iowa? I think that's the bigger story because Obama has unlimited fundraising potential. Who is going to pay off Hillary's debts? When I go on Hillary's message boards, it's said how her supporters are still tragically donating to her campaign buying into this idea that this great conspiracy occurred that robbed her of the nomination. There aren't anymore big media buys so she's basically pocketing the money to run her scorched earth campaign this summer to the convention and to pay off her debts. I think that should be criminal. I'm all for unity, but Obama would be crazy to help her with her debts when Bill prints his own money through speaking fees.

a conspiracy also known as a hard-working and skillfully organized grass roots campaign.

Don't forget to go to Hillary Clinton.com today.

L.A. Confidential @ 42:

CoIntelPro for Democratic Party Victory @ 39:

a conspiracy also known as a hard-working and skillfully organized grass roots campaign.

Despite claiming that his campaign wealth comes from small individual donors, Obama is backed by the biggest Wall Street firms: Goldman Sachs, UBS AG, Lehman Brothers, J P Morgan Chase, Citigroup, Morgan Stanley and Credit Suisse, as well as the huge hedge fund Citadel Investment Group. "Seven of the Obama campaign's top 14 donors," wrote the investigator Pam Martens, "consisted of officers and employees of the same Wall Street firms charged time and again with looting the public and newly implicated in originating and/or bundling fraudulently made mortgages." A report by United for a Fair Economy, a non-profit group, estimates the total loss to poor Americans of colour who took out sub-prime loans as being between $164bn and $213bn: the greatest loss of wealth ever recorded for people of colour in the United States. "Washington lobbyists haven't funded my campaign," said Obama in January, "they won't run my White House and they will not drown out the voices of working Americans when I am president."

I know LA that you of all people, must have some links.

P2b, we greet you !

harley @ 40:

Mister Anderson @ 35:

harley @ 32:

How much money did Obama waste since Iowa to campaign against Killary? I would guess around $150M he could of used to run against McCain.

How much in debt has Hillary gone in since Iowa? I think that's the bigger story because Obama has unlimited fundraising potential. Who is going to pay off Hillary's debts? When I go on Hillary's message boards, it's said how her supporters are still tragically donating to her campaign buying into this idea that this great conspiracy occurred that robbed her of the nomination. There aren't anymore big media buys so she's basically pocketing the money to run her scorched earth campaign this summer to the convention and to pay off her debts. I think that should be criminal. I'm all for unity, but Obama would be crazy to help her with her debts when Bill prints his own money through speaking fees.

If Hillary can not run a campaign without going into the red. I don't won't her running the country. Randi Rhodes talks about how she has not paid people for catering services from back in March. Catering services run on a razor thin margin and need payment of services to make purchases for the next gig. Yeah, she cares about the little people. The catering services are now requiring her campaign to pre-pay because of those in the past getting screwed. Got to love that.

That completely sucks in my opinion because I do some consulting for a food service company that has a catering division and I know their cash flow keeps them up at nights when it costs over $100 just to turn on the stoves and ovens at their facility.

Psycho Clinton Supporter Thrown Out of Rules Committee Meeting
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KACQuZVAE3s

Ron @ 45:

L.A. Confidential @ 42:

CoIntelPro for Democratic Party Victory @ 39:

a conspiracy also known as a hard-working and skillfully organized grass roots campaign.

Despite claiming that his campaign wealth comes from small individual donors, Obama is backed by the biggest Wall Street firms: Goldman Sachs, UBS AG, Lehman Brothers, J P Morgan Chase, Citigroup, Morgan Stanley and Credit Suisse, as well as the huge hedge fund Citadel Investment Group. "Seven of the Obama campaign's top 14 donors," wrote the investigator Pam Martens, "consisted of officers and employees of the same Wall Street firms charged time and again with looting the public and newly implicated in originating and/or bundling fraudulently made mortgages." A report by United for a Fair Economy, a non-profit group, estimates the total loss to poor Americans of colour who took out sub-prime loans as being between $164bn and $213bn: the greatest loss of wealth ever recorded for people of colour in the United States. "Washington lobbyists haven't funded my campaign," said Obama in January, "they won't run my White House and they will not drown out the voices of working Americans when I am president."

I know LA that you of all people, must have some links.

Hillary's biggest donors:

DLA Piper $507,850
EMILY's List $498,103
Goldman Sachs $447,850
Citigroup Inc $425,052
Morgan Stanley $406,545
JPMorgan Chase & Co $284,914
Lehman Brothers $279,240
University of California $267,967
National Amusements Inc $251,025
Skadden, Arps et al $233,945
Time Warner $207,950
Greenberg Traurig LLP $204,950
PricewaterhouseCoopers $198,150
Kirkland & Ellis $197,550
Merrill Lynch $187,959
Microsoft Corp $182,019
Ernst & Young $171,025
Latham & Watkins $165,763
Bear Stearns $155,790
News Corp $153,750

News Corp???????!!!!!!!!????????

Peter G @ 41:

Mister Anderson @ 35:

harley @ 32:

How much money did Obama waste since Iowa to campaign against Killary? I would guess around $150M he could of used to run against McCain.

How much in debt has Hillary gone in since Iowa? I think that's the bigger story because Obama has unlimited fundraising potential. Who is going to pay off Hillary's debts? When I go on Hillary's message boards, it's said how her supporters are still tragically donating to her campaign buying into this idea that this great conspiracy occurred that robbed her of the nomination. There aren't anymore big media buys so she's basically pocketing the money to run her scorched earth campaign this summer to the convention and to pay off her debts. I think that should be criminal. I'm all for unity, but Obama would be crazy to help her with her debts when Bill prints his own money through speaking fees.

Then again you've made it clear that you believe being named Clinton or voting for her should be a criminal offense. Why not give it a rest. Just for the open thread.

I never said that voting for Hillary was a crime. I've long argued that this contest was like Ali vs. Frazier where neither candidate could knock the other out because of their strong supporters so it would have to go to the cards. I do take STRONG issue which how she has run her campaign which led her to those 11 straight losses that all but killed any chance she had at winning, and now I take STRONG issue with her going out of her way to rally her supporters into a angry mob and take their focus off of Bush and McCain and to put it on Obama and the DNC. Like everyone here, I'm sick of 8 years of Bush and I cringe at the idea of 4 years of McCain. So yes, I am passionate about the Democratic party uniting to beat McBush and the Republicans and I take issue with anyone in that 81% who hates the direction of this country who won't stand with me because they are purposely being distracted by less meaningful issues.

Ron @ 45:

L.A. Confidential @ 42:

CoIntelPro for Democratic Party Victory @ 39:

a conspiracy also known as a hard-working and skillfully organized grass roots campaign.

Despite claiming that his campaign wealth comes from small individual donors, Obama is backed by the biggest Wall Street firms: Goldman Sachs, UBS AG, Lehman Brothers, J P Morgan Chase, Citigroup, Morgan Stanley and Credit Suisse, as well as the huge hedge fund Citadel Investment Group. "Seven of the Obama campaign's top 14 donors," wrote the investigator Pam Martens, "consisted of officers and employees of the same Wall Street firms charged time and again with looting the public and newly implicated in originating and/or bundling fraudulently made mortgages." A report by United for a Fair Economy, a non-profit group, estimates the total loss to poor Americans of colour who took out sub-prime loans as being between $164bn and $213bn: the greatest loss of wealth ever recorded for people of colour in the United States. "Washington lobbyists haven't funded my campaign," said Obama in January, "they won't run my White House and they will not drown out the voices of working Americans when I am president."

I know LA that you of all people, must have some links.

you expect too much! all he has for obama is vitriol and contradiction.

Peter G @ 36:

Radically Moderate @ 34:

Orangutan. @ 6:

Picture of Karl Rove in Minnesota. America will survive.

Run Boy,RUUUUNNNN!

Too late! Karl has clearly started the absorption process.

Eeewwww

LOL

Proud2bHumble Hus(in)sein Whitenbitter Assassininen Wrightly Punitively Zebraphilic "Don't truncate me, bro!" @ 44:

Hi ya'll ;-}

hidee high! P2B!

As coincidence has it, I am currently watching BTVS, season 2, disc 3.

It's about as believable as "the surge is working".

(my response to P2b)

harley @ 61:

Ron @ 59:

harley @ 55:

Ron @ 53:

I hear chatter she is a McCain supporter. Operation Chaos member?

I can all most hear her calling into Limbaugh so she can bow at his feet for a bit of praise.

You mean she may be one of the dittoheads that listen to that big fat turd?

Bingo. At the end she screams "I am voting for McCain".

She also uses Limbaugh's talking points at the start; if Obama was white he would be considered unqualified, Hillary is getting screwed because she is a women, etc, etc.

Operation Chaos purpose is to divide the party.

I just can't stand to follow that fat turd. Now I'm going to have to listen to him to keep up on his next line of bullshit.

Nowonmai @ 62:

As coincidence has it, I am currently watching BTVS, season 2, disc 3.

It's about as believable as "the surge is working".

Rogue Sadr militias roam Baghdad - May 30, 2008

Suicide bomber kills at least 10 west of Baghdad - May 31, 2008

Three killed in roadside blast in Iraq AFP - Sat May 31, 11:37 AM ET

Turkey says military destroyed Kurdish shelters AP - Sat May 31, 5:51 AM ET

US marine in hot water over Christian coins in Iraq AFP - Fri May 30, 1:11 PM ET

Suicide bombers, militias kill 35 in northern Iraq AFP - Thu May 29, 2:46 PM ET

Suicide bomber kills 16 in northwestern Iraq AP - Thu May 29, 3:28 PM ET

harley @ 32:

How much money did Obama waste since Iowa to campaign against Killary? I would guess around $150M he could of used to run against McCain.

Yes, but he will still win. Now is the time to bring all the Clinton people back into the fold and beat Granpdpa bomb-bomb. We understand your passion, now please direct it at defeating the guy who wants a new war on Iran, a hundred years in Iraq, repealing roe vs. wade, etc.

Proud2bHumble Hus(in)sein Whitenbitter Assassininen Wrightly Punitively Zebraphilic "Don't truncate me, bro!" @ 58:

Peter G @ 36:

Radically Moderate @ 34:

Orangutan. @ 6:
Run Boy,RUUUUNNNN!

Too late! Karl has clearly started the absorption process.

Eeewwww

LOL

Eeewwww is right. Poor kid didn't even get a chance to become a congressional pageboy .

CoIntelPro for Democratic Party Victory @ 60:

Proud2bHumble Hus(in)sein Whitenbitter Assassininen Wrightly Punitively Zebraphilic "Don't truncate me, bro!" @ 44:

Hi ya'll ;-}

hidee high! P2B!

Sorry for the delay, CIP...gittin caught up with the caption thread earlier. Hey, have you ever considered COInTelUS as a moniker? I think it's a capital idea (hint)...unless you think it's fucked.

;-}

Mister Anderson @ 67:
we could make the argument that Barack should've waited his turn. But we're not Republicans and reality rules.

Did G. W. Bush wait his turn? Seems like he leapfrogged over a lot of more qualified people.

calgarylady @ 64:

(my response to P2b)

LOL, I could think of worse things than being permanently screwed...

;-}

Peter G @ 72:

Proud2bHumble Hus(in)sein Whitenbitter Assassininen Wrightly Punitively Zebraphilic "Don't truncate me, bro!" @ 58:

Peter G @ 36:

Radically Moderate @ 34:
Too late! Karl has clearly started the absorption process.

Eeewwww

LOL

Eeewwww is right. Poor kid didn't even get a chance to become a congressional pageboy .

He would have just been part of the Foleyage...

;-}

Mister Anderson @ 75:

Orangutan. @ 71:

Ford Motors announces $3 billion factory to be located in Mexico ~ http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7428952.stm

Funny how inadequate or purposely incompetent the American Media is. And what is the deal with the contracts Halliburton signed to build internment camps in the U.S. Our country is being sold out from underneath us. Corporations, oftentimes foreign, are buying our roadways, shit George Bush wanted to sell our port security operations to Dubai. WTF. Is a living wage too much to ask for anymore. We need a lot of our friends and neighbors to wake up if we are going to keep this experiment alive.

I think its funny that Toyota seems to be the only automaker still opening up plants in the United States.

They are doing that because of favorable tax treatment and the cars "made" in the U.S. are exempt from tariff. The parts are made elsewhere and the car is assembled in the U.S.

Peter G @ 79:

chicano2nd @ 73:

LA will vote McCain. He's a child.

Actually he's a well respected poster on this site who seldom if ever resorts to ad hominem attacks unless provoked.

From what I have read, ad hominem is his m.o.

harley @ 76:

Mister Anderson @ 67:
we could make the argument that Barack should've waited his turn. But we're not Republicans and reality rules.

Did G. W. Bush wait his turn? Seems like he leapfrogged over a lot of more qualified people.

Over every qualified candidate is more like. He was the perfect choice for his party. An incurious easily manipulated egomaniac who owed favors beyond count to the party establishment and various business interests for bailing him out every time he got his dick stuck in his zipper. Unfortunately he seems to have tried thinking (for lack of a better term) for himself. Hence fiasco.

chicano2nd @ 84:

From what I have read, ad hominem is his m.o.

Oh, so I don't have the right now to consider my own personal investment in a President. I'm just supposed to imagine that everything is going to be "swell" with Barrack?

Kid, you got a long ways to go.

You probabably won't want to watch this tonight. 75 minutes. I think it can give you a real good insight to who the uppet masters are.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3340274697167011147

Peter G @ 79:

chicano2nd @ 73:

LA will vote McCain. He's a child.

Actually he's a well respected poster on this site who seldom if ever resorts to ad hominem attacks unless provoked.

Indeed. LA is a scholar and a gentleman.

Peter G @ 86:

harley @ 76:

Mister Anderson @ 67:
we could make the argument that Barack should've waited his turn. But we're not Republicans and reality rules.

Did G. W. Bush wait his turn? Seems like he leapfrogged over a lot of more qualified people.

Over every qualified candidate is more like. He was the perfect choice for his party. An incurious easily manipulated egomaniac who owed favors beyond count to the party establishment and various business interests for bailing him out every time he got his dick stuck in his zipper. Unfortunately he seems to have tried thinking (for lack of a better term) for himself. Hence fiasco.

I agree. Keep in mind that the Republicans were coming off two consecutive losses and was facing the VP of a popular (though very flawed) incumbent President so they went against their own rules and selected who they thought would best be able to win at that particular time. With hindsight being 20/20, the entire world lost, including the Repubs, even though Bush won.

Here's a interesting scenario. What if Barack did select Hagel or Bloomberg as his VP and he went on to win two terms and left office north of 60% approval. What if Hagel or Bloomberg decides to run for Prez in 2016. Do the Republicans draft someone to go against them if both candidates still run as Republicans? What would the Democrats do? That nomination contest on both sides would make 2008 look like a minor conflict of interests.

Clifford Stoll

18 Minutes With An Agile Mind

Andy K Jong Il @ 85:

Rives

Is 4 a.m. The New Midnight?

aka: How Conspiracy Theories Are Born

Need Buddha, Microwave, Worm...and I hear Isiaih's free...time to get rid of Sheed, he's either "chronic"ally moody, or can't find the right balance of meds...oh, well, better for the league to renew a classic rivalry, and they'll probly sell more merch cuz Boston's fans aren't flat broke yet...whatcha think? Oh, yeah, and fuck that shark, haha

"Last word freak." - Melvin Udall

not out

Peter G @ 94:

Ron @ 90:

You probabably won't want to watch this tonight. 75 minutes. I think it can give you a real good insight to who the uppet masters are.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3340274697167011147

Did you "p" someplace Ron?

Fuck yer rollin tonite bro, lol...glycemic index in the 200's, I'm guessing ;-}

Proud2bHumble Hus(in)sein Whitenbitter Assassininen Wrightly Punitively Zebraphilic "Don't truncate me, bro!" @ 101:

Peter G @ 94:

Ron @ 90:

You probabably won't want to watch this tonight. 75 minutes. I think it can give you a real good insight to who the uppet masters are.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3340274697167011147

Did you "p" someplace Ron?

Fuck yer rollin tonite bro, lol...glycemic index in the 200's, I'm guessing ;-}

Pissin' a solid stream of sugar cubes but the little gray cells seem to like it.

Ron @ 102:

Hey I made a correction, not an erection. Don't be a Pr*ck.

Then try the blue pills... and what's a Prasteriskck, some kinda Polish dinosaur? (I kid because I love, Ron :) (in a non-homoereotic sorta way)). Wasn't laffin atcha, just PtG's hoooottt tonite.

;-}

Proud2bHumble Hus(in)sein Whitenbitter Assassininen Wrightly Punitively Zebraphilic "Don't truncate me, bro!" @ 105:

Ron @ 102:

Hey I made a correction, not an erection. Don't be a Pr*ck.

Then try the blue pills... and what's a Prasteriskck, some kinda Polish dinosaur? (I kid because I love, Ron :) (in a non-homoereotic sorta way)). Wasn't laffin atcha, just PtG's hoooottt tonite.

;-}

Don't need blue.

Proud2bHumble Hus(in)sein Whitenbitter Assassininen Wrightly Punitively Zebraphilic "Don't truncate me, bro!" @ 105:

Ron @ 102:

Hey I made a correction, not an erection. Don't be a Pr*ck.

Then try the blue pills... and what's a Prasteriskck, some kinda Polish dinosaur? (I kid because I love, Ron :) (in a non-homoereotic sorta way)). Wasn't laffin atcha, just PtG's hoooottt tonite.

;-}

Yes please, no more sword fighting. We all love ya' Ron

Mister Anderson @ 108:

Peter G @ 100:

MisterAnderson@94 I know you're going to hate this but I still think that Hillary would be the best choice for VP. There are only a few other people with the necessary public stature that connect with her demographics. Edwards would certainly do if he consented to be drafted but there really aren't that many choices. When selecting a VP you don't preach to your own choir. You look for the person who can bring the most voters to the party.

I agree with you except that Hillary Clinton's name won't be on the ballot in November, John McCain's will, and there are BIG DIFFERENCES between Obama and McCain on the most important issues facing this country that doesn't exist between Hillary and Obama. Barack's entire platform is about change and judgement. Hillary represents neither and it will take key issues off the table against McCain like change, lobbying and the war. Plus Hillary doesn't have any supporters outside of the Democratic Party, and she's managed to tick off a lot already within it. If Hillary's supporters want to vote against their interests in protest of Obama, then they will not get the government they want in 2008, but the government they deserve.

This election won't come down to demographics no matter what the media says. It will be about turnout, pure and simple. Which candidate can turn out the most supporters of the demographics that they do own? Barack has proven that he can organize and turn out this people, especially the left of the Democratic Party. McCain still has problems with the right and Obama will compete for his Independents. I just don't see how McCain will be able to match Obama's turn out unless Barack does something as stupid as put a Clinton on his ticket to remind the right why they need to put aside their differences with McCain and support him 100% in November.

I'll have to take issue with you on this latest statement. Their differences in campaign style notwithstanding there are virtually no policy or voting record differences between the two. Hillary is,if anything, slightly to the left of Obama.

Mister Anderson @ 108:

Peter G @ 100:

MisterAnderson@94 I know you're going to hate this but I still think that Hillary would be the best choice for VP. There are only a few other people with the necessary public stature that connect with her demographics. Edwards would certainly do if he consented to be drafted but there really aren't that many choices. When selecting a VP you don't preach to your own choir. You look for the person who can bring the most voters to the party.

I agree with you except that Hillary Clinton's name won't be on the ballot in November, John McCain's will, and there are BIG DIFFERENCES between Obama and McCain on the most important issues facing this country that doesn't exist between Hillary and Obama. Barack's entire platform is about change and judgement. Hillary represents neither and it will take key issues off the table against McCain like change, lobbying and the war. Plus Hillary doesn't have any supporters outside of the Democratic Party, and she's managed to tick off a lot already within it. If Hillary's supporters want to vote against their interests in protest of Obama, then they will not get the government they want in 2008, but the government they deserve.

This election won't come down to demographics no matter what the media says. It will be about turnout, pure and simple. Which candidate can turn out the most supporters of the demographics that they do own? Barack has proven that he can organize and turn out this people, especially the left of the Democratic Party. McCain still has problems with the right and Obama will compete for his Independents. I just don't see how McCain will be able to match Obama's turn out unless Barack does something as stupid as put a Clinton on his ticket to remind the right why they need to put aside their differences with McCain and support him 100% in November.

A straighforward and reasoned comment. Does it make sense to you, child LA?

Proud2bHumble Hus(in)sein Whitenbitter Assassininen Wrightly Punitively Zebraphilic "Don't truncate me, bro!" @ 114:

Peter G @ 109:

Yes please, no more sword fighting. We all love ya' Ron

Yes we do :)

Besides, I'm not a sword fighter, I use a spear and a mace...my gladiator name is "Long-Sticker Iron Balls", haha

;-}

I should have said, "I have to stick it to p2b."

Peter G @ 111:

Mister Anderson @ 108:

Peter G @ 100:

MisterAnderson@94 I know you're going to hate this but I still think that Hillary would be the best choice for VP. There are only a few other people with the necessary public stature that connect with her demographics. Edwards would certainly do if he consented to be drafted but there really aren't that many choices. When selecting a VP you don't preach to your own choir. You look for the person who can bring the most voters to the party.

I agree with you except that Hillary Clinton's name won't be on the ballot in November, John McCain's will, and there are BIG DIFFERENCES between Obama and McCain on the most important issues facing this country that doesn't exist between Hillary and Obama. Barack's entire platform is about change and judgement. Hillary represents neither and it will take key issues off the table against McCain like change, lobbying and the war. Plus Hillary doesn't have any supporters outside of the Democratic Party, and she's managed to tick off a lot already within it. If Hillary's supporters want to vote against their interests in protest of Obama, then they will not get the government they want in 2008, but the government they deserve.

This election won't come down to demographics no matter what the media says. It will be about turnout, pure and simple. Which candidate can turn out the most supporters of the demographics that they do own? Barack has proven that he can organize and turn out this people, especially the left of the Democratic Party. McCain still has problems with the right and Obama will compete for his Independents. I just don't see how McCain will be able to match Obama's turn out unless Barack does something as stupid as put a Clinton on his ticket to remind the right why they need to put aside their differences with McCain and support him 100% in November.

I'll have to take issue with you on this latest statement. Their differences in campaign style notwithstanding there are virtually no policy or voting record differences between the two. Hillary is,if anything, slightly to the left of Obama.

That's what I said, I said there are no differences between Hillary and Obama. There are differences between Obama and McCain. Obama is facing style differences in the primary. In the general, the differences will be on policy. Hillary does nothing to help Obama in that kind of battle because of her war vote and lobbying ties. If she does anything, it's only to distract from that battle with her name (which is the Republicans would unite behind McCain to defeat) and her baggage. Whatever benefits she bring by turning out the older women's and blue collar Democrat vote is cancelled out by the Republicans she fire up to rally behind McCain.

Obama may be wise to take a Hillary surrogate like Wesley Clark. He would be crazy to take Hillary.

Mister Anderson @ 117:

Peter G @ 111:

Mister Anderson @ 108:

Peter G @ 100:

I agree with you except that Hillary Clinton's name won't be on the ballot in November, John McCain's will, and there are BIG DIFFERENCES between Obama and McCain on the most important issues facing this country that doesn't exist between Hillary and Obama. Barack's entire platform is about change and judgement. Hillary represents neither and it will take key issues off the table against McCain like change, lobbying and the war. Plus Hillary doesn't have any supporters outside of the Democratic Party, and she's managed to tick off a lot already within it. If Hillary's supporters want to vote against their interests in protest of Obama, then they will not get the government they want in 2008, but the government they deserve.

This election won't come down to demographics no matter what the media says. It will be about turnout, pure and simple. Which candidate can turn out the most supporters of the demographics that they do own? Barack has proven that he can organize and turn out this people, especially the left of the Democratic Party. McCain still has problems with the right and Obama will compete for his Independents. I just don't see how McCain will be able to match Obama's turn out unless Barack does something as stupid as put a Clinton on his ticket to remind the right why they need to put aside their differences with McCain and support him 100% in November.

I'll have to take issue with you on this latest statement. Their differences in campaign style notwithstanding there are virtually no policy or voting record differences between the two. Hillary is,if anything, slightly to the left of Obama.

That's what I said, I said there are no differences between Hillary and Obama. There are differences between Obama and McCain. Obama is facing style differences in the primary. In the general, the differences will be on policy. Hillary does nothing to help Obama in that kind of battle because of her war vote and lobbying ties. If she does anything, it's only to distract from that battle with her name (which is the Republicans would unite behind McCain to defeat) and her baggage. Whatever benefits she bring by turning out the older women's and blue collar Democrat vote is cancelled out by the Republicans she fire up to rally behind McCain.

Obama may be wise to take a Hillary surrogate like Wesley Clark. He would be crazy to take Hillary.

I still think Edwards so we can go beyond 2024. We need all the time we can get to try to fix things.

Great fishing in Alberta.

Or maybe you guys would prefer a battle of wits.

BWAHAHAHAHA!!!! You guys and wits?!?!?

Mister Anderson @ 117:

Peter G @ 111:

Mister Anderson @ 108:

Peter G @ 100:

I agree with you except that Hillary Clinton's name won't be on the ballot in November, John McCain's will, and there are BIG DIFFERENCES between Obama and McCain on the most important issues facing this country that doesn't exist between Hillary and Obama. Barack's entire platform is about change and judgement. Hillary represents neither and it will take key issues off the table against McCain like change, lobbying and the war. Plus Hillary doesn't have any supporters outside of the Democratic Party, and she's managed to tick off a lot already within it. If Hillary's supporters want to vote against their interests in protest of Obama, then they will not get the government they want in 2008, but the government they deserve.

This election won't come down to demographics no matter what the media says. It will be about turnout, pure and simple. Which candidate can turn out the most supporters of the demographics that they do own? Barack has proven that he can organize and turn out this people, especially the left of the Democratic Party. McCain still has problems with the right and Obama will compete for his Independents. I just don't see how McCain will be able to match Obama's turn out unless Barack does something as stupid as put a Clinton on his ticket to remind the right why they need to put aside their differences with McCain and support him 100% in November.

I'll have to take issue with you on this latest statement. Their differences in campaign style notwithstanding there are virtually no policy or voting record differences between the two. Hillary is,if anything, slightly to the left of Obama.

That's what I said, I said there are no differences between Hillary and Obama. There are differences between Obama and McCain. Obama is facing style differences in the primary. In the general, the differences will be on policy. Hillary does nothing to help Obama in that kind of battle because of her war vote and lobbying ties. If she does anything, it's only to distract from that battle with her name (which is the Republicans would unite behind McCain to defeat) and her baggage. Whatever benefits she bring by turning out the older women's and blue collar Democrat vote is cancelled out by the Republicans she fire up to rally behind McCain.

Obama may be wise to take a Hillary surrogate like Wesley Clark. He would be crazy to take Hillary.

Makes sense to me. I.e., a Hillary surrogate like Wesley Clark. When he asked me to donate for other candidates he was supporting, I did! I have had a hard time with his pushes for Hillary though. That didn't turn me off against him. Just Hillary's mindless tactics did, such as only she and McCain meeting the "Commander-in-Chief test!" That was one against her, and she didn't have enough sense to stop. She has put the noose around her own neck, now she must hang.

Peter G @ 122:

MA@17 We'll have to agree to disagree on this issue. All elections are about demographics. Right now everyone is hoping for and expecting a large asymmetry in voter turnout in favour of the Democrats. This will be very good if it happens but our Republican friends have not yet begun to hurl crap. I've been watching as McCain rather ineptly tries to move back to center but if he becomes more deft at this and with the backing of the MSM he will be a formidable candidate. Swiftly healing the rift within the Democratic party by bringing together a very nearly fifty-fifty split in candidate support works best for me.

Hey, we have to be dilligent through the complete process. We know that the repugnantcants will cheat.

Bob and Ray

chicano2nd @ 125:

Mister Anderson @ 117:

Peter G @ 111:

Mister Anderson @ 108:
I'll have to take issue with you on this latest statement. Their differences in campaign style notwithstanding there are virtually no policy or voting record differences between the two. Hillary is,if anything, slightly to the left of Obama.

That's what I said, I said there are no differences between Hillary and Obama. There are differences between Obama and McCain. Obama is facing style differences in the primary. In the general, the differences will be on policy. Hillary does nothing to help Obama in that kind of battle because of her war vote and lobbying ties. If she does anything, it's only to distract from that battle with her name (which is the Republicans would unite behind McCain to defeat) and her baggage. Whatever benefits she bring by turning out the older women's and blue collar Democrat vote is cancelled out by the Republicans she fire up to rally behind McCain.

Obama may be wise to take a Hillary surrogate like Wesley Clark. He would be crazy to take Hillary.

Makes sense to me. I.e., a Hillary surrogate like Wesley Clark. When he asked me to donate for other candidates he was supporting, I did! I have had a hard time with his pushes for Hillary though. That didn't turn me off against him. Just Hillary's mindless tactics did, such as only she and McCain meeting the "Commander-in-Chief test!" That was one against her, and she didn't have enough sense to stop. She has put the noose around her own neck, now she must hang.

I was for Clark in 2004 and was very disappointed that his campaign didn't gain any real traction because he was too new to politics. I like how he has handled himself within the Clinton campaign because he supports her loyally, but he has kept his distance from all of the drama that has come with it. And if you ever seen him go toe-to-toe with Bill O'Reilly when he was a military analyst on Fox, you know he can handle his own against the best the Republicans have to throw at him. Plus a lot of his campaign was based around the same "platitudes" that Obama speak of now, especially when it comes to National Service and a 100 Year Plan for America. And his military record is absolutely impeccable. Being that not one soldier died in the Bosnian conflict, he can stand counter any attempt by McCain to exploit Petraeus as being the greatest U.S. General since MacArthur so we should blindly follow what he says even though Bush is writing the script.

Proud2bHumble Hus(in)sein Whitenbitter Assassininen Wrightly Punitively Zebraphilic "Don't truncate me, bro!" @ 114:

Peter G @ 109:

Yes please, no more sword fighting. We all love ya' Ron

Yes we do :)

Besides, I'm not a sword fighter, I use a spear and a mace...my gladiator name is "Long-Sticker Iron Balls", haha

;-}

Ooo, ooo! I call dibs on "Carcinogenes of Thebes"!

Peter G @ 128:

Andy K Jong Il @ 123:

Or maybe you guys would prefer a battle of wits.

BWAHAHAHAHA!!!! You guys and wits?!?!?

Keep going. This is one of my favorite movies. Strange eh?

Hahahah

You both have excellent tasticklers...balls in your court, AK

;-}

Come one, come all. And bring the big equipment, too. You have been invited, Ron !

Ron @ 138:

calgarylady @ 137:

Come one, come all. And bring the big equipment, too. You have been invited, Ron !

Hey, I got a big rod.

Fishing, that is.

A Journey Into Stereo Sound

'Cause, ya know, the Weed Fairy paid a visit recently enough! :D

lafin gas @ 140:

Ron @ 138:

calgarylady @ 137:

Come one, come all. And bring the big equipment, too. You have been invited, Ron !

Hey, I got a big rod.

Just because you have 12 inches doesn’t mean you use it as a rule!

You're a little short for what some of us can qualify for. Were talking deep water fishing.

Andy K Jong Il @ 141:

A Journey Into Stereo Sound

'Cause, ya know, the Weed Fairy paid a visit recently enough! :D

We've been out-dorked!!!

;-}

Ron @ 134:

Mister Anderson @ 126:

Ron @ 119:

Mister Anderson @ 117:
I still think Edwards so we can go beyond 2024. We need all the time we can get to try to fix things.

I have no problem with Edwards, but the Democratic Party has a complex against losers so his brand isn't as strong as it should be at this point within the party, and he strikes ZERO fear in the Republicans. Everyone knows Obama will be strong, but smart in the general so he'll say the right things and do the right things to maintain his image with moderate Republicans and Independents. Biden is already on board, but he'll need his VP to do some dirt and draw some blood that won't leave Obama's fingerprints at the scene of the crime and Edwards isn't that guy. I don't like Rendell as the VP pick and Webb's Senate seat is too important to pick him, but you know guys like that will take a knife and gun to any fight with the Republicans. Obama needs someone who can adhere to his change message, but feels comfortable in a street fight. Edwards is not a street fighter.

I'm sorry but, I have to disagree. The MSM during the debates ignored Edwards because they feared him the most. The corporatists carry a lot of influence in this election. It is time to start rationalizing and override their influence over the publc mindset.

That also makes a lot of sense, dammit! But...the working, "hard, in Hillary lingo" white voters are what worry me! I like the street fighter analogy but the appeal to daily life travails is extremely important too! What will those anal orifice repubs do with an an exorbitant haircut? Just asking "out loud!"

Relax:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yt4UUgo_AhU