The 'Reverse' is True "Over There' -- Middle Eastern Pol Struggles to Overcome Stigma of Middle Name: ‘Smith’
http://satiricalpolitical.com/?p=1548

Bush blames Dems for the lack of a real energy policy. McCain is making the same mistakes as Hillary. Obama takes McCain to task for voting against flood assistance for people like those in Iowa. L.A. commuters finally take a bus. Too bad the company making them is run by cheap-skates who don't like giving passengers proper seating room. I keep thinking of those slave ships, whenever I'm on one...

Tequila @ 4:

Bush blames Dems for the lack of a real energy policy. McCain is making the same mistakes as Hillary. Obama takes McCain to task for voting against flood assistance for people like those in Iowa. L.A. commuters finally take a bus. Too bad the company making them is run by cheap-skates who don't like giving passengers proper seating room. I keep thinking of those slave ships, whenever I'm on one...

Maybe Bush could let the Dems know what went on and who was involved in the secret energy policy meetings that Cheney held so they can have a way to really address the issue.

that rotten iranian feeding those damn pigeons...i knew he was up to no good the minute i saw him.
do you know how hard it is to get dive bombing pigeon poop off you? huh?
if we start letting one, evil, rogue state have pigeons then soon they'll all have 'em. back to the stone age i tell ya...

Damned Iranian pigeon feeders...

xoites defends Constitution @ 10:

Damned Iranian pigeon feeders...

I hear their quite tasty, once you get past the feathers.

Hey, I don't mean to make trouble, but we have a lot of Iranians living here, you know. And they're nice people. Just like all the other nationalities who are here as well.

We have lots of pigeons, too. And eagles, ospreys, and hawks ... just saying, that's all. There's room for all of us on this earth. Neocons, are you listening ?

calgarylady @ 14:

Hey, I don't mean to make trouble, but we have a lot of Iranians living here, you know. And they're nice people. Just like all the other nationalities who are here as well.

We have lots of pigeons, too. And eagles, ospreys, and hawks ... just saying, that's all. There's room for all of us on this earth. Neocons, are you listening ?

Do they have oil? I mean the pigeons, eagles, ospreys and hawks. That's all that the neocons care about. They want to control it all. Not trying to be a smart ass but, that's all they care about.

calgarylady @ 17:

Thanks, xoites and Ron. I was just being a little snarky, that's all. Hey, it's Saturday night ! Let's all be happy.

I love hearing from you, snarky or not.

Yeah! Read the commenting policy, why donchya!

Not much of an honor that but I'm not proud.

flying through tonight.
purposeful day tomorrow.

Hi, Cointelpro. Do tell!

Really? Why?

Excellent, Calgarylady! Why don't you join up with Repeal FISA and help make some trouble?

Don't say it is because you are Canadian. Americans aren't doing it. We need some foriegn aid!

I would love to do just that, xoites. Tell me how. Seriously, can people from other countries make a difference ?

What shit is that? Invading Iran? Having the next Democratic Presidential Candidate smeared from here to kingdom come? Offshore drilling from coast to coast? the end of the United States Constitution?

What exactly?

xoites defends Constitution @ 37:

34 calgarylady Says: I would love to do just that, xoites. Tell me how. Seriously, can people from other countries make a difference ?

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Help us discuss ways to repeal FISA. Help us figure out how to make it an issue. Help us get the word out. And a million other things.

Clady is a millionaire, with ideas.

South Pacific (1949)

You've Got To Be Carefully Taught

You've got to be taught to hate and fear
You've got to be taught from year to year
It's got to be drummed in your dear little ear
You've got to be carefully taught

You've got to be taught to be afraid
Of people whose eyes are oddly made
And people whose skin is a different shade
You've got to be carefully taught

You've got to be taught before it's too late
Before you are six or seven or eight
To hate all the people your relatives hate
You've got to be carefully taught
You've got to be carefully taught

(I'm not sure where the comment I just posted a few seconds ago went) but can people from other countries make any difference at all ?

Tell us how we can help you. We've got your back (in a good way), you know :-)

42 calgarylady Says: (I’m not sure where the comment I just posted a few seconds ago went) but can people from other countries make any difference at all ?

Tell us how we can help you. We’ve got your back (in a good way), you know :-)

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Join the site and help us put together a plan of action. :)

Right now we could really use perspectives from outside the country. In many ways we are so close we can't even see everything.

Not even sure we are with us guys.

I refuse to sit on my ass and wait for the right President to come along, sorry.

xoites defends Constitution @ 50:

I refuse to sit on my ass and wait for the right President to come along, sorry.

That's not what I'm saying x.
the ground work has to be laid first. And you're playing a part in that. My hats off to to you.
But once we get a majority in both houses, it will become a reality.
By all means keep going, there's a lot at stake.

mudshark @ 52:

xoites defends Constitution @ 50:

I refuse to sit on my ass and wait for the right President to come along, sorry.

That's not what I'm saying x.
the ground work has to be laid first. And you're playing a part in that. My hats off to to you.
But once we get a majority in both houses, it will become a reality.
By all means keep going, there's a lot at stake.

That will just be the beginning. We have to make sure this never happens again.

Ron @ 54:

mudshark @ 52:

xoites defends Constitution @ 50:

I refuse to sit on my ass and wait for the right President to come along, sorry.

That's not what I'm saying x.
the ground work has to be laid first. And you're playing a part in that. My hats off to to you.
But once we get a majority in both houses, it will become a reality.
By all means keep going, there's a lot at stake.

That will just be the beginning. We have to make sure this never happens again.

x, we'll be fighting this kinda thing for the rest of our lives.
it's nice to see some of the youth paying attention. cause they have to deal with the new batch of repugs coming.
and they ain't that far away.

Typos are fine. They help me free associate.

xoites defends Constitution @ 58:

Typos are fine. They help me free associate.

LOL, yeah, ok. but they sure don't make me feel better.LOL : )

Roark77 - No POTUS = No SCOTUS @ 57:

mudshark has a good point. A majority in both houses would be good. More then good if we can keep McCain out of office.

I'm just glad a lot of the 'cut off my nose to spite my face' talk is dying down. Let's remember that two and probably three seats in the Supreme Court are at stake in November. If folks think FISA is bad, imagine what a strong Neocon majority SCOTUS would be able to do. My guess is that it would make FISA seem like a weak fart in a strong wind.

Almost a quote from my comments yesterday.

Putting the proverbial finger in the dyke to stop the ocean from drowning us, we've got to at least flood the Senate, particularly Obama, Feinstein the Crook, and Chris Dodd (beg him to filibuster again), but I'm with X - if we do nothing, we get what we deserve. I've already left about 30 messages at different phone numbers to various Senators. Hope we can fill the vm boxes against FISA by Monday morning.

i don't really understand why bush needed to go beyond the law that already existed prior to FISA (war).........wiretaps were always approved if needed........i understand why they want this passed now because they're covering their ass. the republicans and any democrats that are in on it. the dems probably got strong armed during build up to war to take away 4th amendment......at least water it down. telecom has a very strong lobby i'm sure its been tough behind closed doors....this deal is probably done

Roark77 - No POTUS = No SCOTUS @ 63:

A vast majority isn't as long of a shot as it used to be. There are a few seats that the Repubs seem to just be giving up and a few red states that are cracking around the edges. Nothing like seeing long held red seats suddenly turn blue.

What bothers me about that is not the quantity but the quality of the blues. A lot of the Dems MoveOn and ActBlue supported are pretty big disappointments. Chris Carney (D PA) is an example. So is McCaskill. They vote with the repubs way too often.

KARL! I want you in particular to get involved with our site. Are you willing to help us out?

I particularly like this quote from the Charles Gibson thread:

88 Joe Max Says: Agreed. There’s nothing to stop me from one-upping him and the Dems by voting a straight (R) ticket. If we’re going to hell, let’s get it over with quickly.

Nothing stopping me from voting for Nader who in my heart I trust more. When in hell, at least I can say I did my part…I can’t believe this is really happening to us. You’re right, we should get it over quickly..whooppee we’re all gonna die.

Noam Chomsky has pointed out that, while there may be very little difference between the two parties, a lot of lives hang in the balance in that difference. Voting for what you perceive as the lesser of two evils is not very satisfying, but to abandon that responsibility to vote for the lesser of two evils is to turn your back on all those lives who hang in the balance.

Will Obama end the Iraq War sooner than McCain? Almost certainly. And every day means more lives saved. Therefore, helping McCain get elected, by not voting for Obama, means more people die.

Will Obama bring about more health coverage for Americans than McCain? Almost certainly. Which means people who might have died for lack of health care (especially early detection of treatable disease) might not die. Therefore, helping McCain get elected, by not voting for Obama, means more people die.

So before you make a stand and vote on your “principles”, be sure you understand what that choice means in real, human terms.

It was actually three different posters, the post i am refering to starts at

"Noam Chomsky has pointed out that, while there may be very little difference between the two parties, a lot of lives hang in the balance in that difference. Voting for what you perceive as the lesser of two evils is not very satisfying, but to abandon that responsibility to vote for the lesser of two evils is to turn your back on all those lives who hang in the balance."

Personally I'd like to know how any congressman or senator can justify handing out "get out of jail free" cards without once ever asking what crimes they're excusing. You'd think they'd at least ask for a briefing (not that you'd expect much honesty) before putting their reputation on the line.

xoites defends Constitution @ 72:

Lots of good points.

I always wonder if the Nader people from 2000 think they're really better off having made their big statement. Somehow I think Gore probably would have been a tad better then Boosh...

Not voting and standing aside in November is a tacit approval of the policies of McCain. There is far too much at stake this time around. Between the SCOTUS, Iraq, Iran, the economy, the environment, civil rights, hell even segregation seems to be popping back up. Some years the difference between the candidates isn't all that much but I really believe the difference this year is incredibly wide.

If if Obama disapoints McCain sure won't. He is all we think he is and worse.

Ron @ 79:

Let's not that be mistaken for a wide stance.

I think their convention logo has that taken care of just fine.

I won't be voting for Nader this Year.

Thank you. :)

Thank Smitty too. :)

Roark77 - No POTUS = No SCOTUS @ 78:

xoites defends Constitution @ 72:

Lots of good points.

I always wonder if the Nader people from 2000 think they're really better off having made their big statement. Somehow I think Gore probably would have been a tad better then Boosh...

Not voting and standing aside in November is a tacit approval of the policies of McCain. There is far too much at stake this time around. Between the SCOTUS, Iraq, Iran, the economy, the environment, civil rights, hell even segregation seems to be popping back up. Some years the difference between the candidates isn't all that much but I really believe the difference this year is incredibly wide.

Nader didn't have anything to do with the Supreme Court appointment of Bush. There isn't a single state where Nader being on the ballot affected the outcome of that state. If you really want to scapegoat, blame Pat Buchanan who Floridians voted for by accident and he admits NO retired Palm Beach Jewish retirees would likely vote for him. Those votes were over the margin of error and the rest was the not-so-supremes.
Forgive me if I feel defensive about Nader, but I get tired of that same old line.

Yeah, thanks Smitty... Everybody enjoying their coookies... I'm having trouble getting my C4 to fold in right...

Sorry, Smitty. I can't vote for Nader this year. I am in Nevada and it is going to be very close.

Smitty @ 88:

Nader didn't have anything to do with the Supreme Court appointment of Bush. There isn't a single state where Nader being on the ballot affected the outcome of that state. If you really want to scapegoat, blame Pat Buchanan who Floridians voted for by accident and he admits NO retired Palm Beach Jewish retirees would likely vote for him. Those votes were over the margin of error and the rest was the not-so-supremes.
Forgive me if I feel defensive about Nader, but I get tired of that same old line.

I wasn't making any kind of point about how Nader cost Gore Florida. There were enough other factors to make that fairly irrelevant.

My point is about the absurd logic that was constantly used to argue that somehow voting for Nader was some sort of important statement. It's very similar to the thinking that's begun sprouting up from those folks that think not voting at all is the solution to their perceived betrayal/failure/etc of Obama on FISA. It's as ridiculous then as it is now.

karl @ 93:

Ron @ 89:

xoites defends Constitution @ 83:

81 EliteLemming Says: Whats up freaks? And no I don’t feel bad for voting Nader in 2000… Its been highly motivating…

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LOL! I voted for Nader in 2000, but i lived in Maryland. I could have voted for Bush and Gore would still have taken the State.

Gore didn't lose because of Nader. He lost because of the SCOTUS and Katherine Harris and a shitload of other neocons.

they made it seem like it was so terrible not to have the presidency figured out......like it was an embarassment or something.....i listened to scalia on charlie rose last night he really didn't want to talk about that vote.....these last 8 years to me have been nothing short of a nightmare seriously...obama might only be able to stop this madness....as far as fixing it that may take a couple generations

The only thing I can do is agree 100%. I won't be around when the damaged is repaired. I hope you are young enough to experience it.

karl @ 93:

they made it seem like it was so terrible not to have the presidency figured out......like it was an embarassment or something.....i listened to scalia on charlie rose last night he really didn't want to talk about that vote.....these last 8 years to me have been nothing short of a nightmare seriously...obama might only be able to stop this madness....as far as fixing it that may take a couple generations

I don't think we've even seen the extent of the damage to the economy that the last eight years has caused. And yes, I know that Boosh can't be blamed for all of it but I think quite a bit gets to be laid at his feet. And the infrastructure in our country is abysmal and that hasn't been a priority for a very long time.

You know things are getting funky when the EPA starts invoking executive privilege.

Fuck that Ron... I"ll keep your head in a cooler or something...

Thanks, mudshark @ 71 ... I did check out Inner City Blues ... and it is a powerful video, to be sure. I am old enough to remember the 60's (sigh) but the time has now come for a revolutionary change in American politics.

I hope I can see it in my lifetime.

Time for me to say good night, everyone. I had a lot of fun tonight ... peace to all.

calgarylady @ 102:

Thanks, mudshark @ 71 ... I did check out Inner City Blues ... and it is a powerful video, to be sure. I am old enough to remember the 60's (sigh) but the time has now come for a revolutionary change in American politics.

I hope I can see it in my lifetime.

Time for me to say good night, everyone. I had a lot of fun tonight ... peace to all.

good nite Cal, be well.

Roark77 - No POTUS = No SCOTUS @ 98:

karl @ 93:

they made it seem like it was so terrible not to have the presidency figured out......like it was an embarassment or something.....i listened to scalia on charlie rose last night he really didn't want to talk about that vote.....these last 8 years to me have been nothing short of a nightmare seriously...obama might only be able to stop this madness....as far as fixing it that may take a couple generations

I don't think we've even seen the extent of the damage to the economy that the last eight years has caused. And yes, I know that Boosh can't be blamed for all of it but I think quite a bit gets to be laid at his feet. And the infrastructure in our country is abysmal and that hasn't been a priority for a very long time.

You know things are getting funky when the EPA starts invoking executive privilege.

some times i wonder if these people who speak of the new world order maybe they know something like the guy caroll quigley...it seems the increase separation rich and poor,prisons are full,crimes up,wall street manipulating the markets,fed reserve empowered,israel gets a free pass,cheating culture enron wcom ins. industry,pharm....i am not a doomsday dude but wow..oh i forgot i hate no child left behind

Well Iwas just poppin' in to see whats up... Post a movment song on the music club... Goodnight everyone... And Ron... Try 1-800-wtf!!!

EliteLemming @ 108:

Well Iwas just poppin' in to see whats up... Post a movment song on the music club... Goodnight everyone... And Ron... Try 1-800-wtf!!!

I already tried it. No answer.

110 Ron Says: EliteLemming @ 108:

Well Iwas just poppin’ in to see whats up… Post a movment song on the music club… Goodnight everyone… And Ron… Try 1-800-wtf!!!

I already tried it. No answer.

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Really? WTF?

These are the people you have to mess up.
Do Not. Support. Them.
All have been seen a in car with dead kittens and kids tied in trunk.

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The list is long.

i am also out guys before i kicked off the site for what reason i don't know thanks for your input

karl @ 113:

what is resolution362.....don't tell me he can stay in office because of the war....if that's it i may need to call susan sarandon see if she'll take me to italy with her

It's one of those sense of Congress resolutions, so it doesn't have any binding ability and doesn't establish any sort of law. So it's not like the sky is falling yet. 362 basically is a rah rah Iran is bad kind of thing but it's causing a stir because it contains funky suggestions about how Bush ought to sanction or blockade Iran. It sounds like a lot of saber rattling but I don't understand why anyone would give Bush some ammo if he decides Iran is next. Also it's been approved by I believe 170 something members of the House and quite a few Dems. Even though it's only a sense of Congress resolution, it shouldn't have so much momentum behind it from Dems.

But how can I a mere mortal impact the prices on the big board. I need my phone/cable/etc. etc….
You can cost them. You can choke off their cash flow. Pay your bill at the last possible moment. Take late fees to litigation. Book, Cancel, Book, Cancel until they chase their tails. You are the customer.

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: JOHN McCAIN’S 3R ECONOMIC PLAN 2008
Abbreviated version

Progressive Candidate John McCain comes through for America with his 3R economic plan.
In the persona of Theodore Roosevelt, McCain’s plan just makes sense.

1. RETHINK: America must rethink the global views on what America is capable of in our current state of technology, engineering and the demands that face the world.

“RE-Think” the basic job goals involve the dwindling retirement, health care and social security plans that are failing Americans. With a strong base and a higher Gross Domestic Product (GDP) America has a new bargaining chip in the way we live and the ways we retire.

The framework is already in place through existing laws to make this happen. The Progressive attitude of John McCain to get things done by crossing party lines will resurrect America.

2. REFORM: America must rise to these demands and compete aggressively in a global economy. American people must demand higher quality products and less restricted trade routes for Made in USA components.

The USA will reform its dead manufacturing base to create the most innovative and green-engineered products possible. We will compete in a world market along with other high quality products. Once again, the world needs American success in these new ways of manufacturing.

3. REINVENT: America and Americans must reinvent themselves to reach and maintain these standards and by sheer American ingenuity, control the world’s marketplace in the competitive manner, as we have always been proud to be #1. Can you hear Theodore Roosevelt shouting this?

Americans are going back to a 3R-schooling program where they are paid to reinvent their skills and learn new skills to design and lead their personal LLC, Corporation or joint venture company. That’s easy enough to comprehend and just as easy to implement. The 3R plan is designed as a six-month rapid advancement system. Graduates may return for additional skill enhancements from time to time, or step up after new advanced training in executive management.

McCain’s 3R is about technical, closely monitored and rapid hands on training from pros to create new pros. Thousands of currently-job-displaced “once leaders in the manufacturing arena” will be asked to train and play instructor rolls in the 3R plan. Paid, of course, as these new leaders will help create a whole new style of prosperous America. A new guard for Social Security.

While manufacturing is a very important part of this plan, thousands of new businesses must to be created to meet the new surge of 3R manufacturing industries and prosperous Americans.
Initial estimates of 1 in 5 students will begin his or her own company and drive even more Americans into a viable lifestyle with real jobs, real benefits and a retirement to look forward to.

All of this can be done without costing taxpayers (or the government) additional funds. America has the means to follow through with John McCain’s 3R plan, ready and in place across the USA. The buildings we need sit vacant for the most part. By assuming leases on abandoned stores and factories across America with MC-3R schools and mini-manufacturing training centers, the USA made products can be sold and support the stores. Building owners write off the loss in taxes over a few years! This is the new place for financial speculators to invest!
Although the thousands of new businesses manufacturing USA Made products is exciting enough, the real excitement comes from the massive amount of additional jobs that will be created to provide the new housing, new buildings, new parks, shopping, grocery stores, schools, government outlets and so much more.

McCain’s Progressive nature embodies Theodore Roosevelt more than any US presidential candidate in history since the original Rough Rider blazed the greatest era of growth in America.

We need John McCain to lead our nation with the same type of change.

JLMEALER at 122 :

John McCain will be lucky if he isn't replaced before the Republican convention.

Progressive Candidate John McCa...

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gna ,
from one wacko 2 who ever .

there is big money for demonizing these people.

wars make big money for the few

in a dumb downed capitalistic society like america this is possible

the war on terror makes big money for the war mongers

wait till you see what bush jr and cheney make next year

take a look at what tony blair has made since leaving office

if you think a 600 billion dollar military budget is for defense think again

only dumb downed americans could believe that fanasty

please note neither pres candidate is reducing that budget

most americans are imperialists and dont have a clue they are

the rest of the world knows

and oh how they enjoy watching us self destuct

we humans always enjoy watching a bully get beaten

iraq like vietnam will bleed us a slow bleed in lives and treasure

americans will blame others like their politicans but not themselves for their problems

there lies the problem

Not reading the comments -- just an addled observation here..

At one time, even the Italians were regarded and hit with every stereotype in the book. Al Capone and Joe Torrio did their very best to stick the entire Italian/American community with that stereotype as best as they were able and it still sticks to this day.

I/we may not get to live to see the day when Arabs as a people can also laugh this current nightmare off and be ultimately comfortable with all of the horrible stereotypes -- but I wish that we could!

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/06/21/open-thread-845/#comment-739115

I think that is an excellent idea. Ron Paul talking about saving the constitution at the democrats' convention would help all concerned both the democrats and Ron Paul supporters.

Newfoundland Flipper Pie

2 seal flippers
1 small turnip, cubed
3 carrots , sliced
2 onions, sliced
1 parsnip, sliced
2 ½ cups water
1 ½ oz screech
½ fat back pork
2 tbsp vinegar

DUMPLING PASTRY:
1 ½ cups flour
2 tsp baking powder
small pat of butter

Cut all fat and slag from flippers, place them in a deep dish
and add enough boiling water to cover, add vinegar and set
aside to cool, then wipe dry with a paper towel and place
in baking pan or large casserole dish. Add pepper and salt
to taste, cover with sliced onions and sliced fat pork,
dribble the screech over the contents. Cover and cook for 2
hours in a pre heated oven , 375 degrees. Boil turnip,
carrots and parsnip in 2 ½ cups of water for 20 minutes.
When ready place in baking dish along with flipper. Use
vegetable water for gravy... thickened with flour. Make
dumpling pastry and pat over flippers and vegetables. Cover
and bake gently until pastry is done (about 15 minutes).

- QUOTATION OF THE DAY -
"There is no federal agency which oversees levees. That doesn't exist."
- BUTCH KINERNEY, a spokesman for FEMA.

Assassins in Zimbabwe Aim at the Grass Roots
By BARRY BEARAK and CELIA W. DUGGER
At least 85 people have been killed in a campaign against the opposition in a presidential runoff, civic groups said.

Edging Away From Air Force, Army Adds Air Unit
By THOM SHANKER
As the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan have frayed the relationship between Army and Air Force, the Army has organized its own surveillance unit.
with all that money flying around, the greed is so hard to contain.

WP Poll: 3 in 10 Americans Admit to Race Bias

NET LEANED VOTE

Other Neither Would not No
Obama McCain (vol.) (vol.) vote (vol.) opinion
6/15/08 48 42 1 4 1 4
5/11/08 51 44 * 3 1 1
4/13/08 49 44 * 3 3 2
3/2/08 52 40 * 3 2 3
2/1/08 49 46 * 2 1 3
1/19/07 47 45 * 3 1 3

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from May to June:
looks like the press may have hurt Obama (-3)
but McC*nt shoots himself in the foot(-2)

EliteLemming @ 139:

137 is clearly flamebaiting and should be struck...

#138 ain't much better, though I suppose it's just more in bad taste. I think I'll stick to my hash and eggs for breakfast.

Agency Sees Theft Risk for ID Card in Medicare
By ROBERT PEAR
Social Security officials are callingfor immediate action to remove Social Security numbers from the Medicare cards used by millions of Americans.