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Yo, Dubya, I think that Iranian kid's drinking your milkshake. From a beautiful photo essay by Arash Shiva, photos that the President would much rather you didn't see, on "Life in Iran" in Yes! Magazine.

And to Californians: Don't forget, it's hands free from now on...

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Dems Set To ‘Cell Out’ on FISA Again: Agree to Family Immunity Plan

Ah yes. Iran pre-rubble. Very nice.

L.A. Confidential's picture

Any Obama supporter care to defend integration of church and state?

MountainMan23's picture

Want to know if waterboarding is torture? Ask Christopher Hitchens


From triumph to torture

Israel's treatment of an award-winning young Palestinian journalist is part of a terrible pattern

Tehran

More than 13 million people live in Tehran (the capital of Iran) and its suburbs.

More than the population of Iraq. McCain can't wait to get his bombs on it.

harley's picture

L.A. Confidential @ 3:

Any Obama supporter care to defend integration of church and state?

Talk to Randi Rhodes. She has a very bad case of hero worship.

She slammed Clark again today and defended Obama flip flop on FISA and drum roll please.........Obama's faith based intuitive expansion.

harley @ 6:

L.A. Confidential @ 3:

Any Obama supporter care to defend integration of church and state?

Talk to Randi Rhodes. She has a very bad case of hero worship.

She slammed Clark again today and defended Obama flip flop on FISA and drum roll please.........Obama's faith based intuitive expansion.

What we have here is a failure to communicate.

We need our media back.

Orangutan.'s picture

General Election '08 ~ NOVEMBER 4th ~ Pass it around.

Tequila's picture

L.A. Confidential: If you're referring to this, it appears to be legal, and, unlike Bush's policy, has nothing to do with the government actively promoting a particular religion. Also, Hillary mentioned being religious and bombing Iran were good things, but you seemed to have no problem with her.

Anyway, Mandela is now off our terror watch lists. McCain pulls out the Willie Horton card. Are ATMS really safe from hackers? Florida corrects its botched execution. Members of the Armed Forces are divided on the candidate.

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Obama Comments on the Media's Treatment of General Clark

Over the roar of ignorant media pundits and political "strategists" who've managed to twist General Clark's words, Senator Barack Obama has now injected a little sanity into the conversation by rejecting the idea that Clark "swiftboated" anyone.

Obama also claimed that his comments yesterday were not aimed at General Clark.

Video & transcript at link.

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Awesome. Thanks Tequila.

Orangutan. @ 8:

General Election '08 ~ NOVEMBER 4th ~ Pass it around.

You know i had heard that, but i wasn't quite sure. Do we have a candidate? I have been hearing in the past week that we don't. Seems both guys running have no idea what our best interests are.

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xoites defends Constitution @ 7:

harley @ 6:

L.A. Confidential @ 3:

Any Obama supporter care to defend integration of church and state?

Talk to Randi Rhodes. She has a very bad case of hero worship.

She slammed Clark again today and defended Obama flip flop on FISA and drum roll please.........Obama's faith based intuitive expansion.

What we have here is a failure to communicate.

We need our media back.

I kind of understand moving to the center but Obama is moving to the right of McCain.

Actually I don't kind of understanding this. When you flip flop on positions you promised to win the primaries. I have a huge problem with this.

Tequila's picture

Gas prices might affect milk prices.

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harley @ 13:

xoites defends Constitution @ 7:

harley @ 6:

L.A. Confidential @ 3:

Talk to Randi Rhodes. She has a very bad case of hero worship.

She slammed Clark again today and defended Obama flip flop on FISA and drum roll please.........Obama's faith based intuitive expansion.

What we have here is a failure to communicate.

We need our media back.

I kind of understand moving to the center but Obama is moving to the right of McCain.

Actually I don't kind of understanding this. When you flip flop on positions you promised to win the primaries. I have a huge problem with this.

I have a huge problem with it too.

P.D.'s picture

Is there a Starbucks in Iran? I mean many employees are going to lose their jobs. I guess the rich decided $5 for a cup of coffee was to much. So much for Bush's economic policy!

Maybe Obama thinks he can win the Republican vote. Maybe we should just sit this one out and see if he is right.

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Tequila @ 14:

Gas prices might affect milk prices.

Gas prices, ugg. It is normal to drive by a gas station, then two hours later drive past the same gas station and the price is up or down .30 per gallon. I have never seen these wild interday swings before.

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P.D. @ 16:

Is there a Starbucks in Iran? I mean many employees are going to lose their jobs. I guess the rich decided $5 for a cup of coffee was to much. So much for Bush's economic policy!

GE still has contracts there.

GE just won a big contract with Iraq:

Iraq signs $480 mln contract with GE for power plants - Industries ...Jun 6, 2008

War, Inc.

P.D.'s picture

harley@19, depressing, no?

harley's picture

Bush: Housing deal possible with 'less politics'
President Bush expressed confidence Tuesday he will reach a deal with Congress on a housing-rescue plan, but only if lawmakers show "less politics."
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=2008-07-01_D91LDRF80&show_articl...

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Also, I have to add something else here. In the 60s, it was the hippies who were the dominant political force-to the point that even Nixon had to promise an end to Vietnam War to win. In the 2000s, it's the right-wing fundy red-necks. Whether you like it or not, Obama has to cater to them the way Nixon tried to appeal to peaceniks. If we want to succeed at being the "Loud Majority", we have to win over the Creationist Gun Nuts the way they won over the Boomers.

Anyway, the Dems are almost close to 60 seats in the Senate.

P.D. @ 20:

harley@19, depressing, no?

After we get over our depression it will be time to get on with fighting to get our country back. Depression can be fun for the entire family but creating a better world can be "funner."

It just takes more work.

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P.D. @ 20:

harley@19, depressing, no?

Don't let it get to you, is the only words of wisdom I can provide. Sorry. I know how you feel.

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Pentagon to unveil new waiver process for recruits

Instead, officials have now decided to create four waiver categories for major misconduct, misconduct, traffic offenses and non-traffic offenses. Under the new policy, each branch of the armed forces will set its own guidelines on what behavior requires a waiver, as long as it can assign each offense to one of the four categories.
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=2008-07-01_D91LDQNG0&show_articl...

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And to Californians: Don’t forget, it’s hands free from now on…

What the hell? A guy who could kill someone only has to pay a $20 fine, while I park in a spot without paying the meter for 15 minutes, and I get a $40 fine! And those awful drivers still can run me over with head-sets. The phone companies really have Arnie in their pockets...

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xoites defends Constitution @ 17:

Maybe Obama thinks he can win the Republican vote. Maybe we should just sit this one out and see if he is right.

That sounds like an excellent idea. I was speaking with several friends and they agreed that we don't need Obama in the White House at this time. We came to the understanding that sitting this one out will prove best for ourselves and our point will be made.
I hate John McCain, but I won't tolerate a dem that "flip flops!" Not on my watch!
I've mentally accepted a McCain presidency - I will console myself knowing I stopped Obama from entering the White House and tarnishing the dem brand. I look foward to 2012 as cover my eyes, mouth and ears. This is best for us all - 4 more years of war or not!

Tequila @ 22:

Also, I have to add something else here. In the 60s, it was the hippies who were the dominant political force-to the point that even Nixon had to promise an end to Vietnam War to win. In the 2000s, it's the right-wing fundy red-necks. Whether you like it or not, Obama has to cater to them the way Nixon tried to appeal to peaceniks. If we want to succeed at being the "Loud Majority", we have to win over the Creationist Gun Nuts the way they won over the Boomers.

Anyway, the Dems are almost close to 60 seats in the Senate.

The hippies were the dominant political force? In the 1960s?

The middle class parents of young men being sent off to die in Vietnam had more to do with Nixon's promises than Hippies. Hippies, by the way were not involved in politics. They smoked a lot of weed and tried to create an alternative society. The political activists of the time were serious students, Priests, Nuns, Doctors and Lawyers.

Narry a hippie in sight.

MountainMan23's picture

Excellent article in defense of Obama's so-called "move to the center .. or right":
Progressive Obama Critics Should Study FDR

And then my thoughts:

If Obama can convince the "Christians" that they should follow some of Jesus' teachings instead of playing the "Christian Warrior" game, and thereby bring them into the fold, I say all the more power to him. And to us.

Some "Christians" are fine people. There are Evangelicals, for instance, who embrace the concept of stewardship of the planet, beating swords into plowshares, and helping the less fortunate.

We've heard it said many times: "Why do these people consistently vote Republican, against their own best interests?" Maybe it's time to welcome them aboard.

It could be the flip side of Reagan's so-called "Southern Strategy" that drew the South into the Republican Party (despite what the Republicans did to the South 1860-1878).

Now may be the time to draw the populist support out from under the Republicans. This would be a watershed in American politics.

Tequila's picture

xoites:

Hippies, by the way were not involved in politics. They smoked a lot of weed and tried to create an alternative society. The political activists of the time were serious students, Priests, Nuns, Doctors and Lawyers.

People tend to exaggerate on the professionals in the latter group who became activists. Most of them only joined up when the tide was turning against the Vietnam War. The hippies had been fighting long before them, though.

P.D.'s picture

I am hopeless. After watching Stars Wars 6 (or three?) I feel Dick Chaney is the Lord Sith and George is Darth Vader. We have truly fu** things up.

Tequila @ 30:

xoites:

Hippies, by the way were not involved in politics. They smoked a lot of weed and tried to create an alternative society. The political activists of the time were serious students, Priests, Nuns, Doctors and Lawyers.

People tend to exaggerate on the professionals in the latter group who became activists. Most of them only joined up when the tide was turning against the Vietnam War. The hippies had been fighting long before them, though.

I tend to have been there.

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xoites defends Constitution @ 17:

Maybe Obama thinks he can win the Republican vote. Maybe we should just sit this one out and see if he is right.

Or tap some of that evangelical dough in exchange for transferring federal funds from our empty treasury to faith based whackos - what is not to like?

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xoites defends Constitution @ 28:

Tequila @ 22:

Also, I have to add something else here. In the 60s, it was the hippies who were the dominant political force-to the point that even Nixon had to promise an end to Vietnam War to win. In the 2000s, it's the right-wing fundy red-necks. Whether you like it or not, Obama has to cater to them the way Nixon tried to appeal to peaceniks. If we want to succeed at being the "Loud Majority", we have to win over the Creationist Gun Nuts the way they won over the Boomers.

Anyway, the Dems are almost close to 60 seats in the Senate.

The hippies were the dominant political force? In the 1960s?

The middle class parents of young men being sent off to die in Vietnam had more to do with Nixon's promises than Hippies. Hippies, by the way were not involved in politics. They smoked a lot of weed and tried to create an alternative society. The political activists of the time were serious students, Priests, Nuns, Doctors and Lawyers.

Narry a hippie in sight.

Old Hippie here.

Are you being sarcastic?

Or just don't know what you're talking about?

harley's picture

MountainMan23 @ 29:

Excellent article in defense of Obama's so-called "move to the center .. or right":
Progressive Obama Critics Should Study FDR

And then my thoughts:

If Obama can convince the "Christians" that they should follow some of Jesus' teachings instead of playing the "Christian Warrior" game, and thereby bring them into the fold, I say all the more power to him. And to us.

Some "Christians" are fine people. There are Evangelicals, for instance, who embrace the concept of stewardship of the planet, beating swords into plowshares, and helping the less fortunate.

We've heard it said many times: "Why do these people consistently vote Republican, against their own best interests?" Maybe it's time to welcome them aboard.

It could be the flip side of Reagan's so-called "Southern Strategy" that drew the South into the Republican Party (despite what the Republicans did to the South 1860-1878).

Now may be the time to draw the populist support out from under the Republicans. This would be a watershed in American politics.

I do not support transferring federal funds to faith based communities.

They are all ready tax free. Now they want their cake and eat ours too.

Tequila her is a film of the action of the Catonsville Nine.

"The Catonsville Nine were nine Catholics who burned draft files to protest the Vietnam War.

On May 17, 1968 they went to the draft board in Catonsville, Maryland, took 378 draft files, brought them to the parking lot in wire baskets, dumped them out, poured homemade napalm over them, and set them on fire.

They were: Father Daniel Berrigan, a Jesuit priest; his brother Father Philip Berrigan, a former Josephite priest; Bro. David Darst; John Hogan; Tom Lewis, an artist; Marjorie Bradford Melville; her husband, Thomas Melville, a former Maryknoll priest; George Mische; and Mary Moylan, a former nun.

Fr. Philip Berrigan and Tom Lewis had previously poured blood on draft records as part of the "Baltimore Four", and were out on bail when they burned the records at Catonsville.

The Catonsville Nine were tried in federal court October 5-9, 1968. The lead defense attorney was William Kunstler.

They were found guilty of destruction of U.S. property, destruction of Selective Service files, and interference with the Selective Service Act of 1967."

This action was the turning point in America's attitude toward the war.

I worked with Phil Berrigan for two years. There were no hippies to be seen.

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L.A. Confidential @ 3:

Any Obama supporter care to defend integration of church and state?

No. I give up. I am going to vote a straight Democratic ticket in November and then I am done. Lesser of two evils one more time.

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harley @ 35:

MountainMan23 @ 29:

Excellent article in defense of Obama's so-called "move to the center .. or right":
Progressive Obama Critics Should Study FDR

And then my thoughts:

If Obama can convince the "Christians" that they should follow some of Jesus' teachings instead of playing the "Christian Warrior" game, and thereby bring them into the fold, I say all the more power to him. And to us.

Some "Christians" are fine people. There are Evangelicals, for instance, who embrace the concept of stewardship of the planet, beating swords into plowshares, and helping the less fortunate.

We've heard it said many times: "Why do these people consistently vote Republican, against their own best interests?" Maybe it's time to welcome them aboard.

It could be the flip side of Reagan's so-called "Southern Strategy" that drew the South into the Republican Party (despite what the Republicans did to the South 1860-1878).

Now may be the time to draw the populist support out from under the Republicans. This would be a watershed in American politics.

I do not support transferring federal funds to faith based communities.

They are all ready tax free. Now they want their cake and eat ours too.

Agreed.

harley @ 6:

L.A. Confidential @ 3:

Any Obama supporter care to defend integration of church and state?

Talk to Randi Rhodes. She has a very bad case of hero worship.

She slammed Clark again today and defended Obama flip flop on FISA and drum roll please.........Obama's faith based intuitive expansion.

randi has an ongoing hangover.

Tequila @ 14:

Gas prices might affect milk prices.

gas prices already have affected everything. they keep announcing shit that has already happened.

There were of course people with long hair at demonstrations. They may have been called hippies by the media and certainly some of them were hippies. But most hippies were not politically active. The recollections of our culture are flawed. The movers and shackers of the movement were serious people. Many of them were brilliant thinkers. Most were destroyed or coopted by Cointelpro.

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xoites defends Constitution @ 36:

Tequila her is a film of the action of the Catonsville Nine.

"The Catonsville Nine were nine Catholics who burned draft files to protest the Vietnam War.

On May 17, 1968 they went to the draft board in Catonsville, Maryland, took 378 draft files, brought them to the parking lot in wire baskets, dumped them out, poured homemade napalm over them, and set them on fire.

They were: Father Daniel Berrigan, a Jesuit priest; his brother Father Philip Berrigan, a former Josephite priest; Bro. David Darst; John Hogan; Tom Lewis, an artist; Marjorie Bradford Melville; her husband, Thomas Melville, a former Maryknoll priest; George Mische; and Mary Moylan, a former nun.

Fr. Philip Berrigan and Tom Lewis had previously poured blood on draft records as part of the "Baltimore Four", and were out on bail when they burned the records at Catonsville.

The Catonsville Nine were tried in federal court October 5-9, 1968. The lead defense attorney was William Kunstler.

They were found guilty of destruction of U.S. property, destruction of Selective Service files, and interference with the Selective Service Act of 1967."

This action was the turning point in America's attitude toward the war.

I worked with Phil Berrigan for two years. There were no hippies to be seen.

One incident with no hippies does not prove there were no hippies in the movement.

I participated in the Civil Rights Movement in Atlanta in the 50's - my body was on the line many times.

I participated in a protest against the Vietnam War at my unviersity in 1964, marched against the war in Washington DC in 1965.

I was on the Berkeley campus when Reagan gassed the campus - several times. I was there for the Bastille Day Anti-War March. I was there for the "Days of Blood & Nights of Terror."

And in the 90's I helped organize neighborhood protests against infringements of our right to free speech and our right to assembly.

I don't have any video - but the local news team did put my hairy hippie face on the news.

And I assure you I wasn't the only hippie present at these events.

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CoIntelPro for Pronktastic Democratic Party Victory Over SCLM and DIEBOLD! @ 39:

harley @ 6:

L.A. Confidential @ 3:

Any Obama supporter care to defend integration of church and state?

Talk to Randi Rhodes. She has a very bad case of hero worship.

She slammed Clark again today and defended Obama flip flop on FISA and drum roll please.........Obama's faith based intuitive expansion.

randi has an ongoing hangover.

Randi has jumped the shark. Obama could tell her jump off a cliff and she would do it.

The way she is treating the callers that disagree with her is disgraceful - to put it lightly.

I listened today to see if she changed her stance on Clark. Not only did she not change her stance, she dug her feet in.

It is all most like she wants McCain to win she her ratings will go up. She is bash radio. It only works if you have someone to bash. Georgie has made her very wealthy she wants more of the McSame.

MountainMan23 @ 42:

xoites defends Constitution @ 36:

Tequila her is a film of the action of the Catonsville Nine.

"The Catonsville Nine were nine Catholics who burned draft files to protest the Vietnam War.

On May 17, 1968 they went to the draft board in Catonsville, Maryland, took 378 draft files, brought them to the parking lot in wire baskets, dumped them out, poured homemade napalm over them, and set them on fire.

They were: Father Daniel Berrigan, a Jesuit priest; his brother Father Philip Berrigan, a former Josephite priest; Bro. David Darst; John Hogan; Tom Lewis, an artist; Marjorie Bradford Melville; her husband, Thomas Melville, a former Maryknoll priest; George Mische; and Mary Moylan, a former nun.

Fr. Philip Berrigan and Tom Lewis had previously poured blood on draft records as part of the "Baltimore Four", and were out on bail when they burned the records at Catonsville.

The Catonsville Nine were tried in federal court October 5-9, 1968. The lead defense attorney was William Kunstler.

They were found guilty of destruction of U.S. property, destruction of Selective Service files, and interference with the Selective Service Act of 1967."

This action was the turning point in America's attitude toward the war.

I worked with Phil Berrigan for two years. There were no hippies to be seen.

One incident with no hippies does not prove there were no hippies in the movement.

I participated in the Civil Rights Movement in Atlanta in the 50's - my body was on the line many times.

I participated in a protest against the Vietnam War at my unviersity in 1964, marched against the war in Washington DC in 1965.

I was on the Berkeley campus when Reagan gassed the campus - several times. I was there for the Bastille Day Anti-War March. I was there for the "Days of Blood & Nights of Terror."

And in the 90's I helped organize neighborhood protests against infringements of our right to free speech and our right to assembly.

I don't have any video - but the local news team did put my hairy hippie face on the news.

And I assure you I wasn't the only hippie present at these events.

Ok, i don't really wish to be misunderstood in all of this. I am not claiming hippies were not involved. We were more like foot soldiers than leaders (ok, i was probably a hippy myself). Hippies became the buzzword and the image, but i don't think hippies were the core of the movement.

Perhaps my image of hippies, the media image of hippies and your image of hippies are three diffent things. Forty years of revisionist history affects us all.

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http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0826,the-w-stands-for,478462,4.html

'W' stands for war criminal....torture from the top

harley's picture

Stacey Taylor was spot on concerning Clark today.

I wish he would get picked up by Air America or Nova M.

There is a lot of dead wood that needs to be cut out of those two stations.

P.D.'s picture

Well, here I am again. Watching King of the Hill again. MSM is doing nothing about Bush and his criminal Administration. Christ! Time to drink Drain-O or reach for the Prozac. I cant wait for Morning Joe, when they rehash the whole Clark(gasp) scandal! WTF?

Cointelpro reminds me a lot of FISA which is why we have to stop it.

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Enjoy that shake, kid. Soon you'll be enclosed in a bubble where some old farts with 100 armed guards surrounding them are gonna ask you where to buy carpets.

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Tequila @ 22:

Anyway, the Dems are almost close to 60 seats in the Senate.

To quote a phrase:

"So?"

SassySandy's picture

Did anyone see Cindy McCain in the orange/red twin set standing beside McCain today? She was showing quite a lot of cleavage and no one commented on it. When Hillary showed just a tinge, it was on every cable show for two days.

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StirFry @ 50:

Enjoy that shake, kid. Soon you'll be enclosed in a bubble where some old farts with 100 armed guards surrounding them are gonna ask you where to buy carpets.

...stop it, you're givin me the carpet munchies...

;-}

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this is just family tradition...dictatorship......
But what really struck me was the BBC story aired on July 23rd, 2007, documenting President George W. Bush's grandfather's involvement in a 1933 plot to overthrow the U.S. government and install a fascist dictatorship. I knew the story, but had not considered the possibility that the grandson was trying to accomplish what his grandfather had failed to achieve.

Prescott Sheldon Bush (1895 to 1972) attended Yale University and joined the secret society known as Skull and Bones. Prescott is widely reported to have stolen the skull of Native American leader Geronimo. As far as I know, this has not actually been confirmed. In fact, Prescott seems to have had a habit of making things up. He sent letters home from World War I claiming he'd received medals for heroism. After the letters were printed in newspapers, he had to retract his claims.

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SassySandy @ 52:

Did anyone see Cindy McCain in the orange/red twin set standing beside McCain today? She was showing quite a lot of cleavage and no one commented on it. When Hillary showed just a tinge, it was on every cable show for two days.

...link?...never mind...once you've seen silicone valley, it's time for a Napa...not to be winey...

;-}

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SassySandy @ 52:

Did anyone see Cindy McCain in the orange/red twin set standing beside McCain today? She was showing quite a lot of cleavage and no one commented on it. When Hillary showed just a tinge, it was on every cable show for two days.

Every time I see them together I think father and daughter.

http://cache.boston.com/resize/bonzai-fba/AP_Photo/2008/06/30/1214855935...

harley's picture

harley @ 56:

SassySandy @ 52:

Did anyone see Cindy McCain in the orange/red twin set standing beside McCain today? She was showing quite a lot of cleavage and no one commented on it. When Hillary showed just a tinge, it was on every cable show for two days.

Every time I see them together I think father and daughter.

Hopefully try 2 works:

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008/06/30/political_play_mcc...

Proud2bHumble's picture

karl @ 54:

The asshole doesn't fall far from the tree?

Charles's picture

I saw an Iranian film a few years back and was shocked to discover that Tehran is a modern metropolis with huge glass skyscrapers, giant 8 lane highways, car dealerships, etc.

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Charles @ 59:

I saw an Iranian film a few years back and was shocked to discover that Tehran is a modern metropolis with huge glass skyscrapers, giant 8 lane highways, car dealerships, etc.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9oIZpFFyIY

bullfrog's picture

why are so many "latte liberals" so chicken-$#!+ about digging for truth?

we get on our high horses and chastise speaker pelosi for taking impeachment "off the table", yet we're too fraidy cat to take on the neocons re: 9/11.

most of us know the official story stinks something fishy, yet we kid ourselves into believing if we just play along with their rules, some kind of change might take place.

NEWSFLASH: they're laughing their @$$es off at those of us who still believe the bull$#!+.

hit these scumbags on the lie that is 9/11, the whole thing will fall into place like dominoes.

and remember, regardless of our current political climate, future cosmic historians will grade us all based on how we rise to our current threats.

take it from a descendent of good germans caught up in the climax of WW2...

keep playing along?

don't bitch when the war in iraq doesn't end, don't bitch when your u.s. constitution is evaporated...

FALSE FLAG ATTACK.

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harley @ 57:

harley @ 56:

SassySandy @ 52:

Did anyone see Cindy McCain in the orange/red twin set standing beside McCain today? She was showing quite a lot of cleavage and no one commented on it. When Hillary showed just a tinge, it was on every cable show for two days.

Every time I see them together I think father and daughter.

Hopefully try 2 works:

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008/06/30/political_play_mccain_recalls_loss_on_jeopardy/

It looked like more cleavage in the full frontage shot. I just noticed that her twin set matches his tie. How cute.

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We should all vote for McCain. Let's all make "Vote for McCain. Military Experience ! War Hero McCain !" banners and hang them from bridges. Look, now , Obama is campaigning for McCain so why shouldn't we?? Obama is attacking his supporters publically. He is attacking and trying to humiliate Gen. Clark. How disgusting ! Yup, Obama is right about Gen. Clark being wrong. McCain is the best candidate for President because of his war experience. Everyone ,please vote for McCain. I'm tired of supporting these propitiative Democrats. What a bunch of wimps. I really am starting to believe that the USA will be in more danger if the Republicans lose power. Having Obama as the commander in chief would be like having Mother Theresa as commander in chief. It's too dangerous !!

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Don Rumsfeld hater @ 63:

We should all vote for McCain. Let's all make "Vote for McCain. Military Experience ! War Hero McCain !" banners and hang them from bridges. Look, now , Obama is campaigning for McCain so why shouldn't we?? Obama is attacking his supporters publically. He is attacking and trying to humiliate Gen. Clark. How disgusting ! Yup, Obama is right about Gen. Clark being wrong. McCain is the best candidate for President because of his war experience. Everyone ,please vote for McCain. I'm tired of supporting these propitiative Democrats. What a bunch of wimps. I really am starting to believe that the USA will be in more danger if the Republicans lose power. Having Obama as the commander in chief would be like having Mother Theresa as commander in chief. It's too dangerous !!

You really ought to go back to that shrink you keep saying is out of his mind.

harley's picture

bullfrog @ 61:

why are so many "latte liberals" so chicken-$#!+ about digging for truth?

we get on our high horses and chastise speaker pelosi for taking impeachment "off the table", yet we're too fraidy cat to take on the neocons re: 9/11.

Pre 2006 elections she pushed a platform of Democrats would pursue impeachment proceedings against the president based on Bush misled Congress about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, and had violated the civil liberties of Americans by authorizing wiretaps without a warrant if they were elected as a majority.

How did that work out?

Her first official act was "taking impeachment off the table". It was all Pelosi doing CYA because she knew about the wire taps, torture and everything else.

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Let's go back a few years to the 1990's, when private citizen Dick Cheney was running Halliburton, the big energy supplier. That's when he told the oil industry that, "By 2010 we will need on the order of an additional fifty million barrels a day. So where is the oil going to come from? While many regions of the world offer great oil opportunities, the Middle East, with two-thirds of the world's oil and the lowest cost, is still where the prize ultimately lies."

Fast forward to Cheney's first heady days in the White House. The oil industry and other energy conglomerates were handed backdoor keys to the White House, and their CEO's and lobbyists were trooping in and out for meetings with their old pal, now Vice President Cheney. The meetings were secret, conducted under tight security, but as we reported five years ago, among the documents that turned up from some of those meetings were maps of oil fields in Iraq - and a list of companies who wanted access to them. The conservative group Judicial Watch and the Sierra Club filed suit to try to find out who attended the meetings and what was discussed, but the White House fought all the way to the Supreme Court to keep the press and public from learning the whole truth.

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Well, I was just thinking that Obama might want to sign onto Vitter and Craigs' Federal Marriage Amendment next. It might get him a few more of those evangelical votes.

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karl @ 66:

Let's go back a few years to the 1990's, when private citizen Dick Cheney was running Halliburton, the big energy supplier. That's when he told the oil industry that, "By 2010 we will need on the order of an additional fifty million barrels a day. So where is the oil going to come from? While many regions of the world offer great oil opportunities, the Middle East, with two-thirds of the world's oil and the lowest cost, is still where the prize ultimately lies."

Fast forward to Cheney's first heady days in the White House. The oil industry and other energy conglomerates were handed backdoor keys to the White House, and their CEO's and lobbyists were trooping in and out for meetings with their old pal, now Vice President Cheney. The meetings were secret, conducted under tight security, but as we reported five years ago, among the documents that turned up from some of those meetings were maps of oil fields in Iraq - and a list of companies who wanted access to them. The conservative group Judicial Watch and the Sierra Club filed suit to try to find out who attended the meetings and what was discussed, but the White House fought all the way to the Supreme Court to keep the press and public from learning the whole truth.

Some of those meetings were held by PNAC before Bush and Cheney took office.

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In CA it should be hands cut off if caught talking on a cellphone while driving.. [Deleted. Watch it with the racist crap-Sitemonitor]. Want to know who the worst drivers are in America? CA local talking on their telephones! Absolutely by my own account the most ridiculous, non deserving of a California drivers license, idiotas in the entire American empire. That's right! Californians! The most irresponsible (yet most seemingly entitiled) drivers on planet earth!!!!! Fuck you Californians on the phone, pay attention to your driving, where you're going, not your god damned conversation with your child care professional! Doesn't he or she deserve a Mom or Dad?! I see people on the phone in their cars at 5:30 a.m. WhoTF needs to talk to somebody at 5:00 am?? For what reason??! I can't even imagine, especially while you're "flying" down the freeway at 45 MPH in the left lane!

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bilhelm-X @ 69:

In CA it should be hands cut off if caught talking on a cellphone while driving.. [Deleted. Watch it with the racist crap-Sitemonitor] on you but I still firmly agree. Want to know who the worst drivers are in America? CA local talking on their telephones! Absolutely by my own account the most ridiculous, non deserving of a California drivers license, idiotas in the entire American empire. That's right! Californians! The most irresponsible (yet most seemingly entitiled) drivers on planet earth!!!!! Fuck you Californians on the phone, pay attention to your driving, where you're going, not your god damned conversation with your child care professional! Doesn't he or she deserve a Mom or Dad?! I see people on the phone in their cars at 5:30 a.m. WhoTF needs to talk to somebody at 5:00 am?? For what reason??! I can't even imagine, especially while you're "flying" down the freeway at 45 MPH in the left lane!

An average of two people statewide will be given a warning about this in the next 3 months by the way, unless it's a San Diego cop..

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bilhelm-X @ 69:

Have you considered a job with USPS? lol

;-}

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Not suyre if this has been reported on C&L, but it rather interesting in detailing the Reagan onwards domestic CIA directed propaganda for Republican policy.

Iran-Contra's 'Lost Chapter'

To understand this extraordinary development, historians might want to look back at the 1980s and examine the Iran-Contra scandal’s “lost chapter,” a narrative describing how Ronald Reagan’s administration brought CIA tactics to bear domestically to reshape the way Americans perceived the world.

The American people thus were spared the chapter’s troubling finding: that the Reagan administration had built a domestic covert propaganda apparatus managed by a CIA propaganda and disinformation specialist working out of the National Security Council.

Tax dollar funded gov workers doing political propaganda work for the Republicans, aided by media tycoons and planted so called journalists in key places.

Its Goebbels and 1930s Nazi techniques in its purest form, its not public information and getting policy messages across to a apathetic public, its sheer filth and twisting opinion for party means and purposes.
Basically for the purpose of building up a permanent corporate fascist regime.

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bomb them we killed one million vietnamese and did not bat an eyelid

we are a super power and the world fears us get over it

one million iran men women and children is just one good shock and awe

plus they have oil lots of it

at 140 bucks a barrel that country is a gold mine $$$$$$$$$$ ours baby!

god it is good to be an american

we can invade and steal and we americans can keep right on shopping till we drop and watching reality tv shows

god bless america truly god's country

god is a christian you know

signed
just your average imperialist christian american

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hold a wireless phone to ear and with your other hand on the steering wheel now try to rotate your head without moving your torso.......it's virtually impossible so what's the big deal looking both ways or a quick look is impaired slower now try to signal a lane change.........bluetooth is the way to
the auto insurance industry is finding this out

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researcher @ 73:

bomb them we killed one million vietnamese and did not bat an eyelid

we are a super power and the world fears us get over it

one million iran men women and children is just one good shock and awe

plus they have oil lots of it

at 140 bucks a barrel that country is a gold mine $$$$$$$$$$ ours baby!

god it is good to be an american

we can invade and steal and we americans can keep right on shopping till we drop and watching reality tv shows

god bless america truly god's country

god is a christian you know

signed
just your average imperialist christian american

Sad, but true.

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Charles @ 59:

I saw an Iranian film a few years back and was shocked to discover that Tehran is a modern metropolis with huge glass skyscrapers, giant 8 lane highways, car dealerships, etc.

There is a great big wonderful, cosmopolitan world out there beyond the shores of the U.S. Most of the people here are too ignorant, whether intentionally or not, to grasp that reality. Holier than thou and dumb as shit. No. 63 is typical.

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SassySandy @ 52:

Did anyone see Cindy McCain in the orange/red twin set standing beside McCain today? She was showing quite a lot of cleavage and no one commented on it. When Hillary showed just a tinge, it was on every cable show for two days.

She reminds me of Marie Antoinette.

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Don Rumsfeld hater @ 63:

We should all vote for McCain. Let's all make "Vote for McCain. Military Experience ! War Hero McCain !" banners and hang them from bridges. Look, now , Obama is campaigning for McCain so why shouldn't we?? Obama is attacking his supporters publically. He is attacking and trying to humiliate Gen. Clark. How disgusting ! Yup, Obama is right about Gen. Clark being wrong. McCain is the best candidate for President because of his war experience. Everyone ,please vote for McCain. I'm tired of supporting these propitiative Democrats. What a bunch of wimps. I really am starting to believe that the USA will be in more danger if the Republicans lose power. Having Obama as the commander in chief would be like having Mother Theresa as commander in chief. It's too dangerous !!

You need to take your Xanax

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harley @ 57:

harley @ 56:

SassySandy @ 52:

Did anyone see Cindy McCain in the orange/red twin set standing beside McCain today? She was showing quite a lot of cleavage and no one commented on it. When Hillary showed just a tinge, it was on every cable show for two days.

Every time I see them together I think father and daughter.

Hopefully try 2 works:

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008/06/30/political_play_mccain_recalls_loss_on_jeopardy/

They both look completely fucked up ...

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SassySandy @ 67:

Well, I was just thinking that Obama might want to sign onto Vitter and Craigs' Federal Marriage Amendment next. It might get him a few more of those evangelical votes.

Heck! Maybe chose one of them as his VP!!

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bilhelm-X @ 69:

In CA it should be hands cut off if caught talking on a cellphone while driving.. [Deleted. Watch it with the racist crap-Sitemonitor]. Want to know who the worst drivers are in America? CA local talking on their telephones! Absolutely by my own account the most ridiculous, non deserving of a California drivers license, idiotas in the entire American empire. That's right! Californians! The most irresponsible (yet most seemingly entitiled) drivers on planet earth!!!!! Fuck you Californians on the phone, pay attention to your driving, where you're going, not your god damned conversation with your child care professional! Doesn't he or she deserve a Mom or Dad?! I see people on the phone in their cars at 5:30 a.m. WhoTF needs to talk to somebody at 5:00 am?? For what reason??! I can't even imagine, especially while you're "flying" down the freeway at 45 MPH in the left lane!

Thanks for your calm and rational analysis of the situation. Myself and other Californians appreciate the sensitivity with which you typed your xenophobic rant.

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Don Rumsfeld hater @ 63:

We should all vote for McCain. Let's all make "Vote for McCain. Military Experience ! War Hero McCain !" banners and hang them from bridges. Look, now , Obama is campaigning for McCain so why shouldn't we?? Obama is attacking his supporters publically. He is attacking and trying to humiliate Gen. Clark. How disgusting ! Yup, Obama is right about Gen. Clark being wrong. McCain is the best candidate for President because of his war experience. Everyone ,please vote for McCain. I'm tired of supporting these propitiative Democrats. What a bunch of wimps. I really am starting to believe that the USA will be in more danger if the Republicans lose power. Having Obama as the commander in chief would be like having Mother Theresa as commander in chief. It's too dangerous !!

first of all......i get that your probably being somewhat sarcastic.........but your banner will need some Viagra the public is tired of war and nation building especially when it's not constitutional...and mismanaged
let me help you out with your perceived attack at clark from obama.. that was a tactical move obama is fully aware that the (R) would spin what clark said in order to get the reaction they want....obama denounced what he knew the (R) would do with what clark's opinion. clark got something out there that is important since some of the public only identifies/describes mccain as a vet/war hero which to me is heroic/honorable but that doesn't give you a free pass to the presidency.in addition to that people should be interested in his policies and issues beyond his military service. they're trying to up one on obama because he didn't serve...it doesn't matter that obama didn't serve...if mccain served in an executive position he would have an advantage...it wasn't an executive exeperience..that's how i see it..some people will get most won't

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hater@63 The world will be safer with Grandpa Simpson at the helm? At least he's Depend-able I suppose.

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Peter G @ 83:

hater@63 The world will be safer with Grandpa Simpson at the helm? At least he's Depend-able I suppose.

...and he'll keep the kids off our lawn...

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I guess that'll Homeland Security's primary task. I wonder how many billions it will cost to make lawns safe?

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Golf courses will be their top priority.

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What's up P2B? Haven't crossed threads in a while.

What kills me is that this whole fake election has become so totally transparent so early. They really are losing thier grip. McCain can say whatever he wants today and tomorrow say the exact opposite and nobody in the press bats an eye. He can take credit for the passage of a bill he fought against and failed to stop and almost noone notices. A General who was in charge of NATO says something that is absolutely true and not in any way insulting about McCain and the press loses it's collective mind, Obama backs them up and i am supposed to sit here and eat this shit?

I don't think so.

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Peter G @ 87:

What's up P2B? Haven't crossed threads in a while.

Screwed around with some FOX sheeple just for fun today, but they eventually cut me off, lol.

How boutchoo?

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Proud2bHumble @ 89:

Peter G @ 87:

What's up P2B? Haven't crossed threads in a while.

Screwed around with some FOX sheeple just for fun today, but they eventually cut me off, lol.

How boutchoo?

Recovering from Canada Day. You guys lucked out this year with the fourth falling on a Friday. Midweek national holidays suck.

Comment by Proud2bHumble
July 1st, 2008 at 2:18 pm

(On Fox, no less)

am not a former career military American. I had, and still have, great respect for many former and current military leaders, but McCain is not one of them. Regardless of his former military achievements (bottom of his class, crashing several expensive aircraft, getting shot down, making propaganda vids and statements for the North Vietnamese, etc, ect.), clearly, his current interests are self oriented (flip-flopped on almost every issue to appeal to fanatical religious base and big business donors). He has always been a self-serving politician (dumped his faithful first wife for a rich girl whose mob-tied daddy would go on to finance his political career), who like his apparent idol George Bush (voted with him 95% of the time 2007, 100% in ‘08), speaks “with forked tongue” (perhaps a clue to W’s apparent speech impediments). His recent speech where he falsely claimed to support the new G.I. Bill (he and his idol George adamantly opposed it) was tearfully dramatic but to me was not to support American military personnel. Rather it was intended only to support himself with the probable intent of conning his way into the White House.

Gold! :)

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xoites defends Constitution @ 88:

What kills me is that this whole fake election has become so totally transparent so early. They really are losing thier grip. McCain can say whatever he wants today and tomorrow say the exact opposite and nobody in the press bats an eye. He can take credit for the passage of a bill he fought against and failed to stop and almost noone notices. A General who was in charge of NATO says something that is absolutely true and not in any way insulting about McCain and the press loses it's collective mind, Obama backs them up and i am supposed to sit here and eat this shit?

I don't think so.

Good thing Clark didn't mention McCain's class standing when he graduated from Annapolis. I do believe mentioning that constitutes treason.

Peter G @ 92:

xoites defends Constitution @ 88:

What kills me is that this whole fake election has become so totally transparent so early. They really are losing thier grip. McCain can say whatever he wants today and tomorrow say the exact opposite and nobody in the press bats an eye. He can take credit for the passage of a bill he fought against and failed to stop and almost noone notices. A General who was in charge of NATO says something that is absolutely true and not in any way insulting about McCain and the press loses it's collective mind, Obama backs them up and i am supposed to sit here and eat this shit?

I don't think so.

Good thing Clark didn't mention McCain's class standing when he graduated from Annapolis. I do believe mentioning that constitutes treason.

Yeah, he'd be dead by now.

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Peter G @ 90:

Proud2bHumble @ 89:

Peter G @ 87:

What's up P2B? Haven't crossed threads in a while.

Screwed around with some FOX sheeple just for fun today, but they eventually cut me off, lol.

How boutchoo?

Recovering from Canada Day. You guys lucked out this year with the fourth falling on a Friday. Midweek national holidays suck.

Yeah, but otherwise you Cnuks'd drink Canada Dry, and we'd have no idea why you were typing so gingerly til ya told us what ales ya...that right there's enuf ta give ya a headache... How'd you know 'bout our 4th of July thingy, anyway? lol

;-}

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HanSolomente and I put together a nice commercial to help Stephan Baldwin leave the USA.
Won't you help?

Vote Obama and Stephen Baldwin will leave America

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCChBHWEDiU

Enjoy!

They figured out a long time ago that they don't have to kill us or detain us. They just deny us access to be heard. They are just itching to shut down the internet. If they do there probably will be a revolution. People can't keep their frustrations bottled up forever.

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I'm hesitant to draw attention to them, because the Obama Zombies (AKA The Sorest Winners In History) have been trying to kneecap 'em--but if you're sick of the Fauxgressive Lemming March Of 2008, here's a few places to get started.

Anglachel's Journal
Reclusive Leftist
No Blood For Hubris

Ditch your DailyKos and DU bookmarks and start supporting real progressives...you know, Liberals. Between Ann Coulter and Randi Rhodes, there IS an alternative.

ReelBusy @ 95:

HanSolomente and I put together a nice commercial to help Stephan Baldwin leave the USA.
Won't you help?

Vote Obama and Stephen Baldwin will leave America

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCChBHWEDiU

Enjoy!

Well done! :)

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Proud2bHumble @ 94:

Peter G @ 90:

Proud2bHumble @ 89:

Peter G @ 87:
Screwed around with some FOX sheeple just for fun today, but they eventually cut me off, lol.

How boutchoo?

Recovering from Canada Day. You guys lucked out this year with the fourth falling on a Friday. Midweek national holidays suck.

Yeah, but otherwise you Cnuks'd drink Canada Dry, and we'd have no idea why you were typing so gingerly til ya told us what ales ya...that right there's enuf ta give ya a headache... How'd you know 'bout our 4th of July thingy, anyway? lol

;-}

Read the NAFTA fine print dude. I'm obligated to celebrate the Fourth and Cinco de Mayo. At least that's how I read it.

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xoites defends Constitution @ 91:

Gold! :)

Kinda fun to dump a load in their livingroom now and then.

;-}

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By the way P2B that was inspiring stuff you posted on Fox. The site monitor there must have been taking a long overdue and extensive dump for you to get in that many posts. Well done.

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Peter G @ 99:

Proud2bHumble @ 94:

Peter G @ 90:

Proud2bHumble @ 89:
Recovering from Canada Day. You guys lucked out this year with the fourth falling on a Friday. Midweek national holidays suck.

Yeah, but otherwise you Cnuks'd drink Canada Dry, and we'd have no idea why you were typing so gingerly til ya told us what ales ya...that right there's enuf ta give ya a headache... How'd you know 'bout our 4th of July thingy, anyway? lol

;-}

Read the NAFTA fine print dude. I'm obligated to celebrate the Fourth and Cinco de Mayo. At least that's how I read it.

Haha :)

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inferior public school programs
destroyed labor unions
reduced the size of the middle class
unregulated immigration
prison population higher than it's ever been(run by corps.)
unrealistic health care increases
set back technology to over come oil dependency
deception/cheating culture
NEOCON wish list comes to fruition

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It's late and I gotta work tomorrow so GNA.

Happenstance @ 97:

I'm hesitant to draw attention to them, because the Obama Zombies (AKA The Sorest Winners In History) have been trying to kneecap 'em--but if you're sick of the Fauxgressive Lemming March Of 2008, here's a few places to get started.

Anglachel's Journal
Reclusive Leftist
No Blood For Hubris

Ditch your DailyKos and DU bookmarks and start supporting real progressives...you know, Liberals. Between Ann Coulter and Randi Rhodes, there IS an alternative.

The problem as i see it is that you second link goes to a site that claims to be part of PUMA. It has just come out today that the woman who started PUMA was a campaign contributor to John McCain in 2000. Her credibility and the "credibility" of PUMA is shot. Drawing people into fake laft wing front groups whose only purpose is to have left wing progressives run around in circles or worse destroy cohesion or get sucked into something stupid enough to get shot or imprisioned by the police is not really something i appreciate from you or anybody else.

Have a good night and here is a nice bedtime story.

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Peter G @ 101:

By the way P2B that was inspiring stuff you posted on Fox. The site monitor there must have been taking a long overdue and extensive dump for you to get in that many posts. Well done.

They cut me off when I replied to "Skeeter":

"Really, John, 'Skeeter'? You know you're just asking Darth Cheney ta shoot ya in the grill."

btw, "Skeet" in the Urban Dictionary

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xoites defends Constitution @ 105:

Happenstance @ 97:

I'm hesitant to draw attention to them, because the Obama Zombies (AKA The Sorest Winners In History) have been trying to kneecap 'em--but if you're sick of the Fauxgressive Lemming March Of 2008, here's a few places to get started.

Anglachel's Journal
Reclusive Leftist
No Blood For Hubris

Ditch your DailyKos and DU bookmarks and start supporting real progressives...you know, Liberals. Between Ann Coulter and Randi Rhodes, there IS an alternative.

The problem as i see it is that you second link goes to a site that claims to be part of PUMA. It has just come out today that the woman who started PUMA was a campaign contributor to John McCain in 2000. Her credibility and the "credibility" of PUMA is shot. Drawing people into fake laft wing front groups whose only purpose is to have left wing progressives run around in circles or worse destroy cohesion or get sucked into something stupid enough to get shot or imprisioned by the police is not really something i appreciate from you or anybody else.

Have a good night and here is a nice bedtime story.

EXPOSED..........i'm naked

Karl, put some clothes on. :)

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xoites defends Constitution @ 108:

Karl, put some clothes on. :)

GN...dude....be ready for the war tomorrow
remember obama is staying close to his enemy to know their every move

karl @ 109:

xoites defends Constitution @ 108:

Karl, put some clothes on. :)

GN...dude....be ready for the war tomorrow
remember obama is staying close to his enemy to know their every move

So close, so close.

GNA! I have to learn how to use my entrenching tool in the morning. It will be a busy day of digging and filling up holes.

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"Last word, freak." - Melvin Udall

out

;-}

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FINALLY!!

I have grown very weary of having to be extra cautious (and distracted) around cell-phone yakking drivers driving slow, straddling lanes, & reacting late as badly as some of the worst drunks I've ever seen on the road. I hope they actively enforce it, rather than just looking at it as a "tack on" when involved in stops for other reasons.

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MountainMan23 @ 34:

xoites defends Constitution @ 28:

Tequila @ 22:

Also, I have to add something else here. In the 60s, it was the hippies who were the dominant political force-to the point that even Nixon had to promise an end to Vietnam War to win. In the 2000s, it's the right-wing fundy red-necks. Whether you like it or not, Obama has to cater to them the way Nixon tried to appeal to peaceniks. If we want to succeed at being the "Loud Majority", we have to win over the Creationist Gun Nuts the way they won over the Boomers.

Anyway, the Dems are almost close to 60 seats in the Senate.

The hippies were the dominant political force? In the 1960s?

The middle class parents of young men being sent off to die in Vietnam had more to do with Nixon's promises than Hippies. Hippies, by the way were not involved in politics. They smoked a lot of weed and tried to create an alternative society. The political activists of the time were serious students, Priests, Nuns, Doctors and Lawyers.

Narry a hippie in sight.

Old Hippie here.

Are you being sarcastic?

Or just don't know what you're talking about?

Yes. Thanks MountainMan. I agree. Hippies changed the way our entire world thought, if only those open-minded types at first. There was a major shift in politics which the GOP has been trying to erase for decades. It's so prevelent throught society, people forget what it was like before the Hippies came along. We'd still be like Ward and June Cleaver. So many things you take for granted came about becasue of the Hippie influence. They changed everything, forever.

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I think things are turning around for Obama when it comes to the military. It seems that a larger portion of those people identifying themselves as military personnel are donating more and more to Obama than they are to McCain as we see from the stats below. This is just another indication that what Gen. Clark stated about McCain's military service is correct. Simply serving in any capacity, be it as a pilot, infantryman, POW or what have you does not make you automatically qualified to lead. For many military personnel who will be taking orders from that eventual leader the qualities of sound judgement and wise decisions are what matters most. In fact, the entire military is built around that ideal. If a Sergeant for example continuously fails or continues to show extremely poor judgement when carrying out tasks and it is noticed by his/her commanders he or she will be replaced possibly by someone lower in rank who can carry out those duties. I've seen that happen numerous times and on a few occasions I was the lower ranking individual that replaced a higher ranking person.

Military See Presidential Race Through Own Lens

"That Obama attracts support from some in the military is evident in dollars and cents: Among people who have donated at least $200 to a presidential campaign this election cycle, Obama has collected more than $327,000 from those identifying themselves as military personnel, while McCain has collected $224,000, according to an analysis of Federal Election Commission data by The Associated Press."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/07/01/military-see-presidential_n_110...

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xoites defends Constitution @ 15:

harley @ 13:

xoites defends Constitution @ 7:

harley @ 6:

What we have here is a failure to communicate.

We need our media back.

I kind of understand moving to the center but Obama is moving to the right of McCain.

Actually I don't kind of understanding this. When you flip flop on positions you promised to win the primaries. I have a huge problem with this.

I have a huge problem with it too.

What did he do? Everyone seems so upset and running for the exit.

I can't imagine anyone suddenly thinking McSame is a better choice (or not voting would change anything). There are no "left" politicians in the USA. If you want that, you're in the wrong country, and perhaps on the wrong planet (these days).

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Edwin Hussein @ 114:

MountainMan23 @ 34:

xoites defends Constitution @ 28:

Tequila @ 22:

The hippies were the dominant political force? In the 1960s?

The middle class parents of young men being sent off to die in Vietnam had more to do with Nixon's promises than Hippies. Hippies, by the way were not involved in politics. They smoked a lot of weed and tried to create an alternative society. The political activists of the time were serious students, Priests, Nuns, Doctors and Lawyers.

Narry a hippie in sight.

Old Hippie here.

Are you being sarcastic?

Or just don't know what you're talking about?

Yes. Thanks MountainMan. I agree. Hippies changed the way our entire world thought, if only those open-minded types at first. There was a major shift in politics which the GOP has been trying to erase for decades. It's so prevelent throught society, people forget what it was like before the Hippies came along. We'd still be like Ward and June Cleaver. So many things you take for granted came about becasue of the Hippie influence. They changed everything, forever.

The above should be changed to a major shift in the way people think about society. Hence, it changed everything.

Tequila @ 26:

And to Californians: Don’t forget, it’s hands free from now on…

What the hell? A guy who could kill someone only has to pay a $20 fine, while I park in a spot without paying the meter for 15 minutes, and I get a $40 fine! And those awful drivers still can run me over with head-sets. The phone companies really have Arnie in their pockets...

in NYC, it's $140.

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xoites defends Constitution @ 36:

Tequila her is a film of the action of the Catonsville Nine.

"The Catonsville Nine were nine Catholics who burned draft files to protest the Vietnam War.

On May 17, 1968 they went to the draft board in Catonsville, Maryland, took 378 draft files, brought them to the parking lot in wire baskets, dumped them out, poured homemade napalm over them, and set them on fire.

They were: Father Daniel Berrigan, a Jesuit priest; his brother Father Philip Berrigan, a former Josephite priest; Bro. David Darst; John Hogan; Tom Lewis, an artist; Marjorie Bradford Melville; her husband, Thomas Melville, a former Maryknoll priest; George Mische; and Mary Moylan, a former nun.

Fr. Philip Berrigan and Tom Lewis had previously poured blood on draft records as part of the "Baltimore Four", and were out on bail when they burned the records at Catonsville.

The Catonsville Nine were tried in federal court October 5-9, 1968. The lead defense attorney was William Kunstler.

They were found guilty of destruction of U.S. property, destruction of Selective Service files, and interference with the Selective Service Act of 1967."

This action was the turning point in America's attitude toward the war.

I worked with Phil Berrigan for two years. There were no hippies to be seen.

Local draft board 33, located on Frederick Rd, in the Knights of Columbus building, across the street from the Catonsville Library (BCPL), was my draft board. Since I had burned my draft card, while wearing my Navy uniform on the quad at the University of Maryland on Veterans Day 1965, I was thus relieved with the destruction of my records.

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Edwin Hussein, MountainMan23, xoites defends Constitution, & Tequila @ 22:

As one who lived through and later studied the era with considerable entheusiasm, it is my opinion that you are all correct, and all way off base. The comment and response thread is just far to vague and ambiguous.

First, one needs to define "Hippies". You mean the early heirs of the Beatniks? or the later Drug-addled masses? You mean the "movement" or a few select leaders/organizers?

Second, the challenges to entrenched thinking and advances in social structures and perspectives owe something to the influence of the "counter-culture" but I would hardly call the influence of the hippies "dominant" - especially politically.

A dominant force does not elect its enemies to the highest office in the land. A dominant force mounts a greater challenge and a greater threat to opposing powers that assassinate its favored leaders repeatedly and with impunity.

More importantly even if one were to accept the "dominant" premise and a very broad definition of "hippie," the backbone of that movement (actually, that coalition of separate movements) was formed by its intellectual foundations, its volunteer core of activists and attorneys and the post WWII historical moment that spawned them. The sources of this "backbone" were anything but "hippies"..

Most of the early hippies were artists with only peripheral political interests, but much stronger interest in social norms and assumptions. But that seed was soon transformed into a grotesque caricature that carried little resemblance to its origins, lacked its true creativity and depth, and was an easy (and fruitful) target for mass mind-control operations that effectively neutralized the movement (in comparison to the weight it might have carried in the absence of this meddling.) The US involvement in Vietnam continued for another 4 years (give or take) after what one might call the "peak" of Hippie influence. By the time the war ended, even the term "hippie" was unhip, and the "movement" was mostly a fashion statement no deeper than oversized pants and exposed boxers. The greatest issues of the day became lowering the drinking age. What remained of that already disintegrating movement of youth lost its last bit of relevance as it fell victim to its own inflated self-image and self-indulgence. These being predictable developments of a "youth movement" that no longer has strong leadership with intellectual discipline.

Deepening Cycle of Job Loss Seen Lasting Into '09
By PETER S. GOODMAN

Experts say the troubles dogging the economy will be stubborn, leaving in place a combination of tight credit and scant job opportunities perhaps well into next year.

the stagflatiion seventies are coming again.

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Edwin Hussein- It really started before the hippie movement. Hippies were picking up on the free speech movement that started long before hippies. The counter culture had been going on and growing in coffee houses and clubs and on college campus's with the beat movement. People like Allen Ginsburg, DeSalvio, Kesey and others. Protests started on college campus's all over the country on the free speech issue. The wear a flower in your hair movement was at the tail end of the counter culture movement. By then the press had labeled anyone with long hair as being a hippie. I grew up in the Bay area and the so called hippie movement was dead by 1968. After that, what was left of hippies was just about drugs.

NYT: "At a time when the role of lobbyists and special interests are at issue in the presidential campaign, Senator John McCain leaves Tuesday on a trip to Colombia, where a senior adviser to him has long had business and political ties ..." and they murder trade unionists for fun, and the Bush "war on drugs" has been as big a failure as his "war on terrorism." McCain sure knows how to walk in the moccasins of a loser, but he's got Charlie "Please Lord Make Another 9/11 Happen" Black to Guide Him.

Afghan Death Toll Up as Iraq's Falls
By MARK MAZZETTI

The latest data on combat deaths suggests that the Taliban have reclaimed some parts of Afghanistan.


Coalition Military Fatalities By Year
Year US Other Total

2008 66 57 123 <- we're on record pace
2007 117 115 232
2006 98 93 191
2005 99 31 130
2004 52 6 58
2003 48 9 57
2002 49 20 69
2001 12 0 12
Total 541 331 872

IRAQ: Military Deaths By Time Period
Period US UK Other* Total Days Avg
Total 4113 176 138 4427 1930 2.29

6 1027 46 14 1087 517 2.1
5 933 32 20 985 412 2.39
4 715 13 18 746 318 2.35
3 580 25 27 632 216 2.93
2 718 27 59 804 424 1.9
1 140 33 0 173 43 4.02
*Fatalities by Nationality

Reuters: Midwest floods spotlight decrepit infrastructure 7/2

The disaster has reminded policymakers of the decrepit state of U.S. infrastructure, stirring concerns similar to those following the deadly Minneapolis bridge collapse in 2007 and the flooding of New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina in 2005.

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CoIntelPro for Pronktastic Democratic Party Victory Over SCLM and DIEBOLD! @ 123:

DHSmd @ 121:
thank you for that insight.
very much.

And thank YOU for that generous description of my post. (Heck, thanks for READING it!)

I should add that I do not presume to be any kind of "pre-eminent expert in the field" - perhaps nothing more than "above average.".

It is fascinating, though. I am very glad I spent the time studying it when I had the chance - it added depth and color to those inflated childhood memories.

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CoIntelPro for Pronktastic Democratic Party Victory Over SCLM and DIEBOLD! @ 129:

Reuters: Midwest floods spotlight decrepit infrastructure 7/2

The disaster has reminded policymakers of the decrepit state of U.S. infrastructure, stirring concerns similar to those following the deadly Minneapolis bridge collapse in 2007 and the flooding of New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina in 2005.

Living in Minneapolis not much has changed here concerning roads and bridges. Being a motorcycle rider I can tell you that the roads are in terrible shape. The State doesn't have the money or will to fix anything. There are roads here that if you are on a bike you don't even go down, and the bridges, thats another story all together. You just hope and pray you make it across.

DHSmd @ 130:

CoIntelPro for Pronktastic Democratic Party Victory Over SCLM and DIEBOLD! @ 123:

DHSmd @ 121:
thank you for that insight.
very much.

And thank YOU for that generous description of my post. (Heck, thanks for READING it!)

I should add that I do not presume to be any kind of "pre-eminent expert in the field" - perhaps nothing more than "above average.".

It is fascinating, though. I am very glad I spent the time studying it when I had the chance - it added depth and color to those inflated childhood memories.

I lived through it, marched, got caught in riots, went to college, campaigned, all that stuff. good people of all stripes were involved, not a bunch of sheep.

hippies were basically the term applied to people who made a certain fashion statement, imho. their general appearance was eventually used to cast aspersions on the movements' true operatives and supporters. free love and legal pot became reichwing rallying cries and are to this day.

so your analysis, I think, properly credits the actual participants of the movement. I was actually going to weigh in last night, but I was exhausted from a long day.

diamondmc @ 132:

CoIntelPro for Pronktastic Democratic Party Victory Over SCLM and DIEBOLD! @ 129:

Reuters: Midwest floods spotlight decrepit infrastructure 7/2

The disaster has reminded policymakers of the decrepit state of U.S. infrastructure, stirring concerns similar to those following the deadly Minneapolis bridge collapse in 2007 and the flooding of New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina in 2005.

Living in Minneapolis not much has changed here concerning roads and bridges. Being a motorcycle rider I can tell you that the roads are in terrible shape. The State doesn't have the money or will to fix anything. There are roads here that if you are on a bike you don't even go down, and the bridges, thats another story all together. You just hope and pray you make it across.

not to worry, the fed won't be able to offer much since we can't take your tax dollars from the rich. boosh never completes a photo op without mentioning that toughness and resilience of the people rushing to the portable temporary relief stations he brings with him. I'm sure you and others are counting the days. six months and 18 days until the next inaugural!

Possible Flaws in State Plan to Rescue the Everglades
By DAMIEN CAVE

Skeptics of Florida's proposed purchase of a large swath of the Everglades fear the oft-fertilized farmland could take at least a decade and billions of dollars to rehabilitate.

so florida bails out a rich guy, then the taxpayers get another billion dollar bill to pay. republicans are shit.

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CoIntelPro for Pronktastic Democratic Party Victory Over SCLM and DIEBOLD! @ 134:

diamondmc @ 132:

CoIntelPro for Pronktastic Democratic Party Victory Over SCLM and DIEBOLD! @ 129:

Reuters: Midwest floods spotlight decrepit infrastructure 7/2

Living in Minneapolis not much has changed here concerning roads and bridges. Being a motorcycle rider I can tell you that the roads are in terrible shape. The State doesn't have the money or will to fix anything. There are roads here that if you are on a bike you don't even go down, and the bridges, thats another story all together. You just hope and pray you make it across.

not to worry, the fed won't be able to offer much since we can't take your tax dollars from the rich. boosh never completes a photo op without mentioning that toughness and resilience of the people rushing to the portable temporary relief stations he brings with him. I'm sure you and others are counting the days. six months and 18 days until the next inaugural!

I can't wait. I just hope I don't fall into a pot hole or the river before the day comes. Up here we may need to build bridge over some of the pot holes.

The Coming Attack on Iran: A Perfect Storm of Madness
By Bernard Weiner
Co-Editor, The Crisis Papers
July 1, 2008

The question is not whether Iran will be attacked, but by whom and whether the bombing will commence within the next several months or shortly after the November election.

The U.S. for many months has made bellicose noises about thwarting Iran's nuclear ambitions with force -- complete with a virtual repeat of its pre-war propaganda campaign prior to "shock&awe" against Iraq. Israel is reported to have just carried out a military exercise practicing for an attack on Iran. Iran is letting it be known how destructive and unconventional its retaliation would be if it is bombed. What is going on?

Though one can decry it, at least one can understand why Israel, just a short missile flight from Iran, might want to take "pre-emptive" action against that country were it to possess nuclear-weapons capabilities. But what's driving the neocons in the White House to push so insistently for an attack on Iran?

It seems clear that Cheney and Bush want Iran's nascent civilian nuclear program taken out now before it could become operational in a military sense five or ten years down the road. If this is true, why would the Administration have wanted to attack Iraq?

could the answer be oil?

Stock Exchange's Ex-Chief Wins Battle to Keep Pay
By JENNY ANDERSON

Richard A. Grasso will keep the $139.5 million he was paid as the former New York Stock Exchange chief.

greed pays, period!

Starbucks Announces It Will Close 600 Stores
By MICHAEL J. de la MERCED

The company said Tuesday it would close 600 stores in the United States and lay off as many as 12,000 full- and part-time employees, the most in its history.

over-priced high-fashion swill doesn't sell well in a recession. I can buy a whole meal for the price of a cup of that nasty crap. :<[)

Lawsuit Seeks Government Cellphone Tracking Data
By MATT RICHTEL

Two civil liberties groups sued the U.S. Justice Department to force the agency to disclose how the government tracks individuals using their cellphone data.

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Forget beer. Obama is the favorite at a barbecue.

Company With Big City Contracts Is Tied to Mob Schemes in Affidavit
By WILLIAM K. RASHBAUM

An affidavit suggests that officials with a contracting giant working on some of the largest public works projects in New York City were linked to organized crime.

is that why the billions already squandered on the new WTC project have vanished with no results to show? hhhmmmmmmm!?!?!? Let me see now.... the mayor of nyc is another REPUBLICAN!

Tequila @ 142:

Forget beer. Obama is the favorite at a barbecue.

Pass the catsup!
:<[)

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If McCain reaches the white house you can be sure we will bomb Iran. The crusade for oil must go on. As the price of oil continues to go up, the necon warmongers will spread the war to all the oil rich countries in the middle east, thinking that in the end we will then control the oil. China and India will then have to bow to the feet of America to get the oil the need to drive their economy. This has been the necon plan from the beginning, control all the worlds major oil supplies, and we control the world.

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What that photo essay related to me is that Iran is a beautiful country, inhabited by normal people who want to live normal lives but their leader is a madman. It seems we have a lot more in common than I ever imagined.

An Average Joe @ 148:

What that photo essay related to me is that Iran is a beautiful country, inhabited by normal people who want to live normal lives but their leader is a madman. It seems we have a lot more in common than I ever imagined.

except the nukular part and the pure malevolence.

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Yesterday I read an article on the CNN Ticker entitled "Clark Critisizes McCain"
As you probably noticed, CNN spelled "criticize" incorrectly. As you probably guessed, nowhere in the article did it actually quote Clark criticizing McCain.

I shot them a mocking email, as I'm sure many others did, and when I checked the CNN site a couple hours later, they had taken it down. I wish I had saved a screen capture.

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