Get Ready For The Surge 2.0 - This Time In Afghanistan *Updated
By Logan Murphy Wednesday Jul 02, 2008 8:45am
The Bush/McCain debacle in Iraq devoured so many lives and resources that the U.S. was forced to take their eye off the Taliban and the real al Qaeda threat in Afghanistan. As a result of this gross negligence and lack of foresight and planning, both groups have reconstituted and become stronger and deadlier than ever. June saw the highest U.S. body count in Afghanistan since that conflict began in 2002. More than six years in, things are now worse than ever there for our troops.
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During a press conference Wednesday, when asked about deteriorating conditions and the growing number of troops deaths in Afghanistan, President Bush falls back on the same predictable propaganda of patriotism, and distraction from reality. What does our president propose to fix the situation? Throw more money and bodies at it -- get ready for The Surge 2.0.
We're constantly reviewing troop needs, troop levels. We're halfway through 2008; as I said, we're going to increase troops by 2009. One thing, however, that you got to understand is that we have doubled Afghan troops -- coalition troops have doubled from two years ago. So there is an active presence and there are more troops there than there were. But we're constantly reassessing and seeing whether or not we can change tactics in order to achieve our objective.
Update: Video at The Huffington Post shows the top U.S. military officer saying yesterday that he doesn't have enough troops to send to Afghanistan because they are bogged down in Iraq.
Full transcript below the fold:
Q Thank you, Mr. President. June was the deadliest month for U.S. troops in -- since we began the war in Afghanistan. Has Afghanistan replaced Iraq as the central front of the war on terror? And is al Qaeda and the Taliban taking the upper hand? And also, is it possible that we could send additional U.S. troops there sooner than the 2009 date that you've been talking about?
THE PRESIDENT: First of all, anytime a troop loses their life, whether it be in Afghanistan, Iraq, or elsewhere, our hearts go out to their families. And I am so appreciative that, in a time of danger, Americans are willing to step up and volunteer and sacrifice.
Secondly, it has been a tough month in Afghanistan, but it's also been a tough month for the Taliban. You know, one reason why there have been more deaths is because our troops are taking the fight to a tough enemy, an enemy who doesn't like our presence there because they don't like the idea of America denying safe haven. America is pressing an ideology that's opposite of theirs, and so, of course, there's going to be resistance.
I am confident that the strategy is going to work, which is to confront the Taliban, confront elements of al Qaeda, and at the same time, encourage the growth of a free society by good economic policy, good education policy, and good health policy.
We're constantly reviewing troop needs, troop levels. We're halfway through 2008; as I said, we're going to increase troops by 2009. One thing, however, that you got to understand is that we have doubled Afghan troops -- coalition troops have doubled from two years ago. So there is an active presence and there are more troops there than there were. But we're constantly reassessing and seeing whether or not we can change tactics in order to achieve our objective.
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The man's a moron. God help us all.
Is using "troop" the way he uses it in a sentence even proper english? To my ear it should be "troops" plural and "trooper" singular. Maybe I am wrong on this; no english major myself, but still...
"First of all, anytime a troop loses their life"
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Presidunce Dim Son is a walking grammatical trainwreck. Nucularly so.
Whut?
Oh and "encourage the growth of a free society by good economic policy, good education policy, and good health policy". Could we get some of that in the States? Kthnksbai.
Why bother to ask this retard a question? Just say: "Mr. President... Can you please say whatever you want? I mean anything. Feel free to throw in the word Iraq, Afghanistan, and troops, if you want."
Ok, I listened to it and troop or no-troop, Dim Son Ill is fucking moron. Somebody replace him with a chimp in a suit so we can get some real leadership, please?
IndridCold @ 5:
Hah. that's it, in a nuthsell, isn't it? He could have stood there drooling and making goose noises and made more sense.
That sounds an awful lot like the Old Overholt babble to me.
In other words, he hasn't a fu*king clue.
He has his token words he tosses into each sentence but they are the same bullsh*t we have heard since Sept. 2001.
A whole troop wasn't killed, but soldiers and marines were.
whatta maroon
He uttered a truth! He said that we're halfway through 2008 - and that is TRUE! Stop the presses! Dumbyanuts said something that was true!
201 days left..then we don't have to listen to this evil, motherfucking imbecile again
Boy , getting kinda drafty in here again. Someone go close the war window please.
where are these troops coming from, are the sons and daughters of our so-called
leaders in government going to enlist because they're anxious to show their patriotism and after all the tide has turned and we'll be welcomed as liberators
so they'll be in no danger whatsoever??
thanks to all who voted for the Bush Crime Family in 2004, you got the criminal
administration chock-full of traitors, liars, and war profiteers that you deserve.
get ready for austerity, jackasses.
need a definition, stupid?
austerity |ôˈsteritē|
• difficult economic conditions created by government measures to reduce a budget deficit, esp. by reducing public expenditure : a period of austerity | [as adj. ] austerity measures.
wendy @ 12:
Wanna bet Wendy ? I see dark clouds on the horizon. These fuckers have shown they are capable of anything and wont stop at nothing to consolidate the Neo Con wet dream of world domination. Its gonna be a bumpy ride till Jan for sure. Remember when the election used to seal the deal and the outgoing President would just clean out his desk. Chimptard will be a danger to the planet till Obama says " I Do"
Utter Neanderthalism!
This is great. Bush will be moving the war effort toward Afghanistan so that Obama will then have an eight year war handed to him. When will it ever end?
Surge 2.0 - Another Bout of Bush Diarrhea!
Now we can statistically and realistically add another bit of shame to Bush's legacy. In 8 very long years has this man accomplished anything which shows an element of rational judgment? I think not. Add Afghanistan to his long list of failures now.
Everyone knows that taking one's eye off the ball results in "game lost". Even 5 year old know that rule. How could this country have been so misled in trusting this charlatan? How could this country have been so misinformed as to re-elect this quack for another term?
Oops, we know the answer to both of those questions. He wasn't "elected" rightfully by the people, was he? He, Katy Harris, Jebbie and the Court elected him with bogus numbers in 2000. Then, in 2004 with the help of Diebold and one shady criminal by the name of Kenneth Blackwell in Ohio, the machines were hacked and the numbers sent through a server in the basement of a bank building in Tennessee(??) (owned by the GOP) to synchronize the results while americans slept and believed that Kerry was the winner - that's how it all happened.
"Oh, what a tangled web we weave, when first we practice to deceive".....every dog has their day and Katherine Harris, Jeb Bush, Kenneth Blackwell will have theirs and become true enemies of the people of this country for their complicit and illicit/illegal actions in placing a total incompetent into the highest office in this country.
P.S. Apologies for the bold print! I didn't realize it was on. Mea culpa!
Bonkers Fist Jab @ 2:
I was an English major and cringe on a nearly daily basis at what words come out of this man's mouth. A troop is by definition a collective noun. However, an entire troop cannot have one life to lose, as Bush implies by "their life," which is ridiculous. It might have been all right had he said "their lives." Instead of "troop," which is a group of military personnel, he means soldier, sailor or marine but putting all those different words in a sentence would throw him into a paroxysm of grammatical agony from which he might never recover.
But I digress. The subject on which I meant to comment was the troop surge. Just imagine, if you will, what might have been had we not gone into Iraq but instead sent more troops to Afghanistan, caught bin Laden and helped the Afghan people straighten out their government and rule of law. We might have been celebrated as a country that swiftly and correctly pursues and catches terrorists and helps less civilized countries gain self-determination. We would not be looking at sky-high gas prices; an astonishingly astronomical deficit; billions owed to China; the condemnation of most of the civilized world for a preemptive invasion, torture and Guantanamo; and worst of all, thousands dead or maimed for life.
Mission Accomplished II: Let's Try That Again.
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You notice at the start - Bush is like totally bored of the questions about troop deaths?
IndridCold @ 5:
You miss tieing it to Iran.
All I can say is that us "lefties" and "DFH" knew that this would happen. We must be smarter than the boy Bush and Barnacle Cheney along with his pal Rummy.
Sachem @ 1:
Even god is shaking his/her head at the moment.
Someone needs to give this clown a time out though, like until Jan. 21, 2009.
After that prosecute the filthy bastid.
OMG - He really has become nothing more than "blah, blah, blah." The boy Bush looks terrible. What the hell was he talking about anyway? He remains forever clueless.
I don't see any blood coming from the boy Bush's heart. Just plenty of blood on his hands.
Can you believe that we experienced this in our lifetime? People in the future will read about this part of American history and what our lives were like. I don't know if they will think we were the most stupid group of people to ever live, or if they will feel sorry for us.
Cats r Flyfishn @ 25:
He is suppose to be on vacation. We all ways screw up his vacations.
We are horrible.
Has McBush been telling us for months that we need a surge in Afghanistan? According to the little hot head, he told Bush for months that a surge was needed in Iraq.
And just where would these troops be coming from, hmmmmmm? Got another Blackwater no-bid on the front burner?
Side 1: "If you want to know the definition of an idiot turn this card over"
Side 2: "If you want to know the definition of an idiot turn this card over"
Bush: If I keep flipping this card over I'm eventually going to learn the definition of this word.
Everyone else: That's our Bushie!
I think bush is tired of his job. He's pissed that no one likes him, except maybe his dog. He knows he's not going to be missed or given a shit about by about two thirds of the country after he leaves office. He knows he has a rotten reputation around the world too. He feels we owe him something and every time a question is posed to him, he resents it. If he wasn't so arrogant, he might be pitiful.
This isn't incompetence. It's the neocon principle of Managed Conflict™®©, methodically planned and played out, for purposes of recurring profits and multiplication of power in arenas not related to the theaters of conflict.
Wars without end, Amen.
Spot on Patricia.
If they don't have enough troops for Afghanistan because they are bogged down in Iraq, where are they gonna get the troops for IRAN??????
pissed off patricia @ 32:
I don't feel that way at all. It seems to me he feels it is beneath him to have to take the time to even respond to the press. He has all ready said he can't wait until his term is over so he can start making real money going on a speech tour to "fill up the old coffers".
You are giving pity to the wrong person. Think about the poor soldiers that got to go back for their 4th and 5th tours this summer.
Check out the new surge... same as the old surge.
Let me get this straight.
We have double the number of soldiers in Afghanistan from 2 years ago.
We need to increase the number of troops there now.
How pathetically short-handed were we to begin with?
Heckuva job, Bu$hie!!
And as a reward for screwing up this country to a degree that defies the imagination, he will be entitled to a pension, Secret Service protection and dolting minions who will pay to see him and hear him "speak."
Bizarro world, indeed.
pissed off patricia @ 9:
Could a president be any dumber???
Bonkers Fist Jab @ 6:
Since the U.S. is now a banana republic, a chimp as leader would seem fitting.
I have to say, this man never inspired me with his speeches, but I think he's just going through the motions now...
IndridCold @ 5:
And 9/11
The "real Al Qaeda threat" is not in Afghanistan, either. It's here:
http://www.asecondlookatthesaudis.com
More people would probably realize this if it weren't for the Bush administration's persistent efforts to protect and appease their bestest oil buddies in the Middle East.
harley @ 36:
I have no pity for the man. I only feel disdain for him. But anyone else who was so despised and hated, who had committed much lesser crimes, I might in some way feel some pity.
Anais @ 20:
Sorry to bust your bubble, but (1) Bushmeat doesn't care a whit for English grammar or syntax - it's pretzels that give him paroxysms and, (2) what you suggest shoulda/coulda/woulda happened in Afghanistan sounds real real nice - but it's always been about the oil and nothing more, nothing less. Pax vobiscum. (:>
NoGWBpolicyleftinplace @ 41:
I don't know. We could elect McCain and find out.
LibertyLover @ 43:
According to that Faux "documentary" (that came out the same time Bear Sterns was blowing up) Bush turned out to be one of the most gifted speaker of all time.
The video was removed at youtube. I had it on my favorites when I need a chuckle.
"the top U.S. military officer saying yesterday that he doesn’t have enough troops to send to Afghanistan because they are bogged down in Iraq."
That means they'll be ordering Canada to drop more of their soldiers into the meat grinder.
pissed off patricia @ 27:
And it was all captured on film.
Gonna be hard to deny.
Bonkers Fist Jab @ 7:
Dont forget to throw in "Eye-ran" and "new-cu-lur" ...
Don't worry about global warming.
Fatal, mass retardation will take us out as a society long before the oceans rise.
(No offense to anyone who has downs syndrome. I'm sure you would make a better president than George)
If the US bombs, bombs, bombs Iran, what happens to the troops in Iraq and Afghanistan? Iran has approximately 1 million soldiers, sailors etc. Moqtada al Sadr's army in Iraq has been inactive. A lot of the population in Afghanistan consider themselves to be Persian. What would happen?
I was going to write something sensible about troops in Afghanistan but curtilingus's comment cracked me up!
Military Chief: US Doesn't Have Enough Troops To Send To Afghanistan
Who wants to bet that they will do a surge and bring their dead CIA assest Bin Laden out of deep freeze and cart him out in front of the world Prior the November Elections?
Would comparing Chimpy's DNA to his brothers' DNA help science find the idiot gene?
"You know, one reason why there have been more deaths is because our troops are taking the fight to a tough enemy..."
Now that's a glass half full kind a guy! ...
and that is a special kind of stupid going on folks.
It's not a "surge." The correct term is ESCALATION.
There are more deaths because there are more troops there and the solution is to send more troops. Seriously? This is what he is saying. Our soldiers need to refuse redeployment en mass since congress is doing nothing to stop this madman from throwing more of them on the meat grinder.
pissed off patricia @ 27:
How about the 40 plus % of morons who will vote McInsane in November? They want more of the same!
Amazing when you consider that every poll shows 80 plus % of Americans think the country is horribly screwed up, and that we need to completely change direction.
How we gonna fix this mess? Why were gonna vote republican again! Absolute fucking imbeciles, just like their current preznit.
richmanpoorman @ 61:
Guess the ultimate success is when everyone gets killed.
Hmmm who can argue with logic like that ...
I'm just shakin' my head. (sigh) Sure, sure; let's surge in Afghanistan - now that we're in the process of invading Iran we'll need to keep the eastern flank well guarded, right? And when Dear Leader gets the rest of our crippled military killed in his adventure, perhaps the French or hell, the Jamaicans can invade and occupy the USA. Hopefully they'll install a benign governor; maybe Jerry Lewis or Peter Tosh...
Just stopped in to wish everyone a HAPPY 4th OF JULY WEEKEND.
change tactics in order to achieve our objective
Which is?
Is someone out there putting together a DVD that compiles the complete
history of Bushism's. After each segment there could be a short critique on of what he said .
I'm sure it would be a best seller.
It would be an embarassment to the Presidency but history is history.
In answer to 'POP's commet @ # 27'
" Can you believe we experienced this in our lifetime?"
Answer: NO
I think what Bush is refering to is another type of "surge" like the one recently used in Iraq. The additional troops, like in Iraq will make no difference. They are just a cover for the real surge in deals that will soon follow. Bush will order that the Taliban, warlords, Northern Alliance not affiliated with the Karzai Government and others be given what they want in exchange for a reduction in violence.
I guess the new terms of victory for bushco is "nobody pointing out the emperor is naked' before the end of his term(our sentence). There is no victory, just an attrition of our life and treasure to mean rich people that laugh at us.
say now it dont seem so great that old charlie willson furnished the afgans with stinger missels huh? hope the russians dont get thier even ups giveing the taliban a weapon that gives them the edge on us , say did i mention obama said hed send any troops withdrawn from iraq to fight in afganistan! hey it was in the papers im not makeing anything up!
Re: Afghanistan there is no difference between the two candidates.
They're both rushing to see who'll be there to put more boots on the ground.
Tough guys. Playing tin soldier with our troops.
How do American's sleep at night?
How did you allow this demented loon to steal your country and joy ride it through the streets of the world?
I suppose you'll have a whack of 'fixin' to do before it'll ever drive straight again.
Saint Augustine @ 58:
Which one? One's a tool and the other isn't any better than Dubya.
First of all, anytime a troop loses their life, whether it be in Afghanistan, Iraq, or elsewhere, our hearts go out to their families.
Whose "hearts" would those be, Mr. Sociopath? Cheeeeeeeeney's? Yours? Rumsfeld's? Rove's?
Or maybe you meant the broken hearts of Big Oil? Haliburton? Blackwater?
It's not about you anymore.
You broke OUR hearts and you've broken our backs, you son-of-a-bitch.
pissedcanuck @ 72:
Lots of beer and porn. (Apparently, the Bush economic package has stimulated the porn industry into growth since it came out.)
I apologize... once I got started on one pun, it was rather difficult to stop.
It increasingly looks as if the controllers have decided they really need to play the "poor, pitiful, and perhaps retarded" gambit to generate just enough sympathy to prevent him from being impeached - which should have happened a long time ago. It really is not funny - it is outrageous and the MSM just goes along enabling this moron.
Rusty Bombshell Video Shackleford @ 60:
But that sounds so 1968ish.
Mickxotic @ 64:
I, for one, welcome our new Jamaican overlords.
Who was the MSM Judith Miller 2.0 whore who asked the question?
"...central front in the war on terror..."???
Is anyone still buying that shit?
President "shit for brains" speaks - barely!
Old Billy Hussein @ 79:
PS I mean "whore" in a totally gender neutral way. I certainly consider Duke Cunningham or Trent Lott a "whore" too. Wait, Trent Lott is a "dirty, dirty whore."
Lollimom @ 74:
Today's winner!
Maybe Bush's little surge (and it will be little) is part of the agreement with North Korea. North Korea agrees to dismantling a portion of its nuclear program in order to receive U.S. food supplies and a possible reduction in U.S. forces from South Korea. Some of those forces along with many from Iraq are then sent to Afghanistan to augment the forces already there.
The Bush Administration is the most incompetent bunch I have ever seen. I can't believe that the military actually has some faith left in those clowns. Everyone knows, that if you are going to do an invasion or even multiple invasions you always have to have a sizable force in reserve to augment or to respond to other threats as they may arise. But then again, what do I know because I actually served in the military.
diamondmc @ 65:
Although I appreciate the sentiment you are bringing forth, I need to make a point here. This is not nit-picking so please don't take it as such: We are not celebrating "the 4th of July" (the day), we are celebrating "Independence Day" (the event.) One should not say "Happy 4th of July!" but rather "Happy Independence Day!" I would gamble that you don't say "Merry December 25th!" nor would you refer to Inauguration Day as "January 20th Day" or "Groundhog's Day" as "February 2nd Day".
Let me conclude with "Have a great freakin' weekend!"
i hope he understands pakistan is not that happy with the u.s. with drones going into their country killing innocent civilians. bush....... i believe is not liked.
this is all bullshit.
they never should have invaded Iraq.
now that the oil contracts are being signed, they are changing their focus to Iran.
first step: shift forces to eastern borders of Iran with expected attack from Israel to come from the south and west
alternate first step: false flag operation from the gulf with attacks faked on american warships
alternate first step: false flag operation from one of four bases along Iraq/Iran border.
add in congresscritters' and senatethings resolutions falsely accusing Iran of being opart of the axis of evil
WA LAHH! War again for the third time.
MAYBE THEY SHOULD LISTEN TO THIS GUY!
CERTAINLY THEY SHOULD LISTEN TO THIS GUY!
BTW, they were never "forced" to take their eye off the taliban or al ciada.
THEY CHOSE TO TAKE THEIRS EYES OFF THE TALIBAN AND AL CIADA.
colon powell's UN speechifying was all elective bullshit. there was never a need for it.
They only thing they ever really needed to do is read a presidential daily brief and act on it!!!!!!!
And they are not bogged down in Iraq. they want to 'protect' the oil in Iraq.
we need to stop peddling their bullshit for them.
Joe O. @ 83:
the south koreans have outgrown thier dependence on american troops being stationed in korea! the oldsters who we kept out of the hands of the communists and were gratefull are dieing off at a rapid rate, the young south koreans were taught that the south korean troops freed the south and thoes slups americans who were killed in the rice paddys and hills of korea were of little help in the liberation of south korea, such is the way of countrys they shit can real history, the truth is the south korean troops were crap and anytime they were placed on our flanks they when attacked allways broke and ran , leaveing many a good american boy dead because of it, now the young no longer feel were needed , and thats fine with me , but when we leave that should be the end of our involvement in south korea, we owe them nothing else!
BaScOmBe hearts Lara Logan @ 86:
I'd like to disagree with you ever so slightly.
I don't think you can say it's the third war. It's more like the third expansion of the first war.
BaScOmBe hearts Lara Logan @ 88:
Agreed. But then again, everyone else in the world, allies and enemies alike know that as well and they will use that to their own advantage.
swampfox @ 89:
There is a large problem with that "we owe them nothing else" statement. The U.S. owes a lot in form of U.S. dollars sitting in many Asian reserve accounts of which, China, Japan, and South Korea hold the most of those increasingly worthless dollars. That to is leverage.
truly, if the guy in the next barstool could be president..
wait! it has already happened!
Joe O. @ 92:
that may be the case but it has nothing to do with my point, america was the cattilist in allowing the start of the korean war , it was truemans declaration that america would not defend any country beyond the phillippines even though after we left korea when korea was devided up from ww2 we left with a mutual agreement to defend south korea and trueman gave kim ill sung the green light to attack the south by that declaration, of no involvement in asian troubles past the phillippines , so basically the korean war was our fault,
Nada @ 90:
no argument here!
notice also how they announced the size of the prize when they glefully announced the contracts....
then [*screeching halt*], the Iraqis said: "no favoritism for american and british companies!"
booshco: "OOPS! OK! Fellas, next stop Iran, again, we'll stage the attack from afghanistan."
Is this his way of saying that he will not play golf again ?!!
Aww, shucks !!! Our esteemed president will remember the sacrifice of our soldier by not playing golf again. Bummer, man !!!
President DumbAsShit still talks like this war just started last week !
We could have spent ZERO dollars on defense over the last 25 years and still gotten the same result in Iraq/Afghanistan that we have today.
This sez it all about our buddy bush!
Some Humans Ain't Human
© John Prine
Some humans ain't human
Some people ain't kind
You open up their hearts
And here's what you'll find
A few frozen pizzas
Some ice cubes with hair
A broken Popsicle
You don't want to go there
Some humans ain't human
Though they walk like we do
They live and they breathe
Just to turn the old screw
They screw you when you're sleeping
They try to screw you blind
Some humans ain't human
Some people ain't kind
You might go to church
And sit down in a pew
Those humans who ain't human
Could be sittin' right next to you
They talk about your family
They talk about your clothes
When they don't know their own ass
From their own elbows
Jealousy and stupidity
Don't equal harmony
Jealousy and stupidity
Don't equal harmony
Mmmm Mmmm
Mmmm Mmmm
Mmmm Mmmm
Mmmm Mmmm
Spoken:
Have you ever noticed
When you're feeling really good
There's always a pigeon
That'll come shit on your hood
Or you're feeling your freedom
And the world's off your back
Some cowboy from Texas
Starts his own war in Iraq
Some humans ain't human
Some people ain't kind
They lie through their teeth
With their head up their behind
You open up their hearts
And here's what you'll find
Some humans ain't human
Some people ain't kind
NoGWBpolicyleftinplace @ 80:
HEY !!
Dont be insulting fecal matter like that !!!!
"that you got to understand"
Where the hell did that idiot learn to speak English???
by using the word troop, rather than serviceman, marine or another term, he dehumanizes them...he isnt dumb, he is an evil bastard
lbj left office a broken man
bush will leave office dancing a jig
he should be in prison
surge 2.0... soon to be followed by surge 3.0, 3.1, beta 4.0, 4.0, and on and on
when your basic strategy, laid out by the never-seen-a-battle-they-didn't hide-from chicken hawks in the admin, congress and the DOD civilians, is to create more enemies than you kill this is the result.
most evident in this bush bluster:
"it has been a tough month in Afghanistan, but it’s also been a tough month for the Taliban."
this is yet again another sign that bush and his controllers are just not getting it.
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perpetual war, the new peace.
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Exactly where is this free society with these good policies, not here, not there. Where is it?
This fucknut has taken the country into the toilet and we'll be lucky to survive the trip to the sewage plant. But what the hell, it's the 4th of July so let's bbq some meat, fire off some rockets and get real drunk. That'll make things better!
I have but two questions:
1) Can we recover from what this idiot has done?
2) How much damage can he do between now and Jan.?
"In a time of danger Americans are willing to step up and sacrifice" (at 0:43)
Or unless daddy can get you on a list to learn to fly in the National Guard. Big sacrifice there....
We're turning our attention to Afghanistan....
...and soon, we will turn our attention away again when we attack Iran.
Daddy bought me the White House.
Now, I get to be the big man and nobody can tell me what to do.
Daddy aren't you so proud.
I'm the War President.
I'm going to be famous.
Just like Teddy Roosevelt during World War II.
I is so smart.
odanny @ 105:
Answer to Question # 1:
Probably Yes, in approx. 15 years. It will take that long to bring the federal deficit and debt under control ( ie. running a small surplus).
Answer to Question # 2
7 1/2 years have passed.
1/2 year to go.
So it will take 16 yeasrs to recover.
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Maybe Congress and the Senate came stop him. Wait...what am I saying. Nevermind.
Failed presidency, like everything else he's done in his life. 8 years of selling "danger" and nothing to show for it except a 70% disapproval rating. Schmuck.
7 1/2 years and not one bullet hit the right target.
Mission Accomplished !!!
US Military Pushed Past Breaking Point !!!
Now what, shit-for-brains commander-in-chief warlord-president "decider" ???
Now what ???
Start an air war too ???
Maybe throw in a little Naval Action before you leave the White House ..
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It's been obvious to anyone daring to read the reality of Afghanistan that it's a total mess.
Iraq WAS a nation. If Saddam had simply been replaced by another person the entire infrastructure - physical, bureaucratic & societal - would have continued.
But Afghanistan has never been a nation except in the eyes of the empires who coveted her.
The tribal affiliations exist in Iraq, and form a societal net interwoven with the workings of a modern state. But in Afghanistan tribal affiliations ARE the society.
And add to that complexity the fact that the invasion of Afghanistan had more to do with freeing up the opium trade than with "liberating" the Afghanis from the Taliban.
Anything can happen with Commander Cuckoo Bananas in charge.
the boys from lejuene just got orders they are getting extended in afghanistan..
after they were told they weren't..
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/07/marines-extende.html
somebody hear Nelson in the background?
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The McSurge 2.0
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These people are not doing what they are doing because they are " stupid " and anybody who reduces his observation to silly comments like that DON'T HAVE A CLUE , to what's going on .
CASPIAN OIL is what they are after , that is planned to run from N. to S. through Afghanistan to Pakistan , worth over a TRILLION ....WAKE UP ! After all the Taliban were business partners with UNOCAL , who invited them to TEXAS in the late 90's , before the pipe line deal with them fell through .
BUSH AND THE NEOCONS ARE WAGING RESOURCE WARS , AND AFRICA IS NEXT ,THEN sOUTH AMERICA .
Saint Augustine @ 58:
Ha Ha Ha *** his mirth get the better of him ***. That was the post of the week for me!
Do you ever get the feeling the reason the WA Press Corp does not press him on tough questions, is because they really do not care what his response will be - it is all total BS, spoken by a 2nd grade mentality. I apologize to real 2nd graders, who are just passing through, on their way to 3rd. Not someone who's like a scratched record, which keeps skipping back to the beginning. His excuse is, "There is always something new to discover, and I always get to be quarterback now".
Perhaps a great many of us are frustrated with the military and political outcomes of the war against an emotion (terror). This posting contains the assumption that the purpose of military action is victory. Victory as many people might define it is nothing short of complete supplication of one's stated enemy.
Victory is not the goal of the campaign in Afghanistan and Irag (Iran anyone?). The goal of these is ongoing operations. Ongoing operations in place of diplomacy which is much more difficult. Ongoing operations to keep the money flowing without regard. Ongoing operations to guarantee that military contractors can continue to make military equipment.
If too much success in any of these campaigns is achieved, we hold back, so that we can re-double our efforts. To use a soccer analogy, we want the ball mid-field as much as possible, no shots on goal.
When one uses the new frame, the actions by our Government in our name should make more sense. You can still dislike them, but they should make more sense.
This piece of crap who call himself a president, and his fascist buddies, had every tool available to them to not only crush Al-Qaeda and the Taliban for good, but ensure Afghanistan had a positive future.
They had the military might, the assistance of our allies, the support of not only the American people, but the world, including the Afghans.
But no, they had to squander it. They had to install our inept buddy Karzai, focus on their greedy pipeline projects, letting Bin Laden and Mullah Omar flee to safety in Pakistan.
They allowed Musharref and his ISI buddies in Pakistan to continue to tolerate and even support the Taliban and Al-Qaeda, with our tax dollars.
Then the neocons rushed into Iraq to start the PNAC dream of world domination, leaving Afghanistan to rot.
Now we're practically back to square one.
Every coalition soldier, who has died since 2002 in that country, and every one who will die going forward, is their fault.
Once again, the Bush administration has blood on its hands.
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