Open Thread
By driftglass Monday Aug 18, 2008 10:30pm
[click image for larger] "...and the Conservative Hate Virus that hijacked a political party,
a religion, and the national media, and turned them into disease vectors...still rages merrily along."
Open Thread below...
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Why is the polling even close?
http://gopnot4me.blogspot.com/2008/08/mcbush-could-it-be-more-clear.html
I'm angry that we're not hitting back harder.
Forget ‘Text Messaging,’ McCain to Announce Veep Pick by Telegraph
Is there one single policy that the conservatives advocate that the majority of Americans agree with?
I know they scare people into certain "issues" but I highly doubt there is one policy that the majority of Americans prefer the Repugs to Dems.
I think the medical name for that Conservative Hate Virus is "class warfare." It's time that 98% of this country finally fought back.
One of the Reagan myths is that he single handedly ended the cold war. That it wasn't 40 years of containment that did it, and the inherent bankruptcy of Soviet Communism, but instead RR's belligerence. Well I've always felt that this myth was not only wrong, but dangerous.
And Bush probably is one of the few Republicans who actually believes it. Think about it, If our troops were not bogged down in Iraq, this nitwit in the White House now would have our army -- right now as we speak -- shooting at Russians in Georgia.
This is the danger in actually believing the right wing talking point that RR won the cold war. Personally, I think this is one of the myths that reality based people need to continue to fight. It could lead to WW3.
mcDrill being mcDrill....
http://www.reuters.com/news/video?videoId=89241&videoChannel=1&refresh=true
JimboSlice @ 3:
One of the fear factors that they use is the Christian values issue. Most people fear the fact that even if they don't live the Christians values life, they don't want to admit that they don't and they certainly don't want others to recognize their failings.
What a fickle hurricane Fay has turned out to be. I wonder how many of the the people who left Key West decided to stay in south Florida? Moving slowly over land, Fay is bringing much need rain for the Everglades and aquifers. The question now is whether Fay will regain strength from the Atlantic and slam back ashore or what?
The National Weather Service has flood, hurricane, and tornado watches for my neck of the woods tonight, even though it has yet to rain here in the Oldest City. Since my cat is outside right now I need to stay awake until he comes back in. For the moment he is ignoring my calling but with a Tropical Storm/Hurricane heading this way I want him inside.
So open threaders, get something going to keep me awake, for my cat's sake!
Bush's fudging of the EPA air pollution laws is declared illegal in court. Another major bank is expected to collapse soon. Eighteen Cali hospitals were fined for wretched service. So much for those lawsuits being "frivolous". The Army finds another way to destroy-this time with lazers.
It failed to hijacked the religion.
Stumbled upon one of my favorite songs from the '80s today--
Was (Not Was): "I Blew Up the United States"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HorPRiN5iL8&feature=related
Bush is a puppet president. McCain will be a puppet president. McCain owes everybody. Every person that McCain owes will want their back scratched.
28 YEARS LATER
Hmm... Can you make a horror documentary?
Why is everyone referring to Barack Obama as the Manchurian Candidate?
The reference, and I double checked to make sure my memory wasn't fuzzy, refers to a soldier of a respected family who is captured, brainwashed, and later activated to take down the government for the commies.
Gee, it sounds like McCain has a better chance of being the Manchurian Candidate.
GOPnot4me @ 1:
I am too. The Obama campaign needs to be vigorously attacking the McCain on a daily basis on THIS DISASTROUS ECONOMY PUT IN PLACE BY THE REPUBLICANS! We're talking no holds-barred, raging attacks!
Like when McCain's campaign made that stupid, arrogant remark about this being just a recession in people's heads-- Obama needs to brutally attack McCain's campaign on a daily basis because of that, without mercy! Bring up real-world examples, anecdotes, of people suffering due to the high inflation. People who have been laid off. People who have lost their homes due to foreclosure. Make this about the economy! And hit the McCain campaign about it every single day, turn their words against them, use surrogates-- just hit the McCain campaign hard!
Bush Administration Denies McCain Was Ever Tortured
"In all the discussion of John McCain's recently recovered memory of a religious epiphany in Vietnam, one thing has been missing. The torture that was deployed against McCain emerges in all the various accounts. It involved sleep deprivation, the withholding of medical treatment, stress positions, long-time standing, and beating. Sound familiar?
According to the Bush administration's definition of torture, McCain was therefore not tortured."
http://www.intoxination.net/jamie/bush-administration-denies-mccain-was-...
Great pic, drifty.
Isn't the case of modern day (neo-)conservatism moreover about 40 years later? Nixon really did have a major influence on partisan politics and games. If not, then perhaps what is really suspicious and hurting Reagan's legacy the most is the Iran-Contra, despite he seemed to get away with it. No one ever mentioned impeachment during the Reagan years for that.
Still, with two Bushes and McSame hoping to be next in line for "compassionate conservatism", it's disturbing that Obama isn't ahead by a larger lead like he should be if citizens were more well-informed about their government and not have a FOX News be a mouthpiece for them. GOPnot4me is right for making telling suspicions on the polls.
Jay Severin Has A Small Pen1s @ 14:
lol, I never made the connection to McCain... Can the Right get any more ironic?
you should do a double DMB "Late Night Music Club" tribute for LeRoi Moore tomorrow.
Jay Severin Has A Small Pen1s @ 14:
You beat me to it. It's exactly what I was thinking.
FIBBIN'
From a Republican pal ...
You didn't get this from me, but use it as you will. Is it just me -- as a Republican knowing how we've played this game before -- or should there be genuine puzzlement why Obama isn't unleashing Democratic veterans (Jim Webb, Jack Reed, John Kerry, BOB Kerrey perhaps, etc. Some Democratic generals, whatever) to go after McCain on this "cross in the dirt" stuff? I mean, if there was one issue tailor-made for "Swift-Boat" payback, I can't think of anything else.
It ain't bean bag.
--Josh Marshall
Bacteria is the culprit behind that 1918 influenza.
great depiction, but it all actually atarted with noxin. I saw it happen. I was there. noxin unleashed the hate and gave birth to the chainey political monster and the boosh crime initiative, which included fascist tool raygun.
CoIntelPro for Pronktastic Victory Over SCLM, DIEBOLD, ESS and SEQUOIA! @ 23: started, not atarted
i remember this and the fxxking (R) makes a big deal out of barack asking for MET bars,working out,organic tea.....subtle class war bull shit
by Avenging Angel
Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 01:28:36 PM PDT
Eight years ago, then Governor George W. Bush revealingly joked about his backers at the 2000 Al Smith Dinner. "This is an impressive crowd - the haves and the have-mores," Bush said, adding, "Some people call you the elites; I call you my base." With his own quip Saturday night that "$5 million" is his definition of "rich," John McCain made no mistake that he is Bush's natural heir.
Why I Will Not Vote for John McCain
Phillip Butler | March 27, 2008
As some of you might know, John McCain is a long-time acquaintance of mine that goes way back to our time together at the U.S. Naval Academy and as Prisoners of War in Vietnam. He is a man I respect and admire in some ways. But there are a number of reasons why I will not vote for him for President of the United States.
When I was a Plebe (4th classman, or freshman) at the Naval Academy in 1957-58, I was assigned to the 17th Company for my four years there. In those days we had about 3,600 midshipmen spread among 24 companies, thus about 150 midshipmen to a company. As fortune would have it, John, a First Classman (senior) and his room mate lived directly across the hall from me and my two room mates. Believe me when I say that back then I would never in a million or more years have dreamed that the crazy guy across the hall would someday be a Senator and candidate for President!
constituent @ 21:
http://www.medalofhonor.com/JamesStockdalePOW.jpg
I see a stone floor in front of the cell door, where Mr. McCain had his "experience".
Further, commies are famous for cleaning and sweeping, so no way there was enough dirt around for a cross of any kind.
Than; no way there were any catholics guarding American POW in North Vietnam. First of all; these wend all south after the French war, secondly, they were/are not trusted by the commies. And there is no such thing as being a secret Christian in Vietnam. You are what you are, because your family is so. And everybody knows.
Further: It is just not a guested done by Vietnamese (it's more a Russian thing). Vietnamese are extremely practical, and don't have a romantic mindset. Certainly not in a way of being specially kind to invaders.
CoIntelPro for Pronktastic Victory Over SCLM, DIEBOLD, ESS and SEQUOIA! @ 23:
Noxin!!
Thanks for that--made my day!
Is Pakistan heading towards civil war?
Religious fanatics have taken over the government because we have become so politically correct afraid to speak up when we here
our political representatives start quoting bible versus, This is what the founding fathers had warned against because they knew
that this would lead to Religious persecutions or Religiously based discrimination and politically Religious based appointments and all
this was predicted over 200 years ago.
Tequila @ 29:
Certainly possible as Mushy was the one holding the whole thing together, kinda like Saddam was holding Iraq together. Pakistan is certainly going for some interesting times and India as well.
JimboSlice @ 3:
Offshore drilling. It's mind boggling.
"Stocks sink; oil rises"
REPUBLICANOMICS- Four more years? The middle class will shrink, more and more and will be left without home and health care. Republican politicians care only for the wealthy, period. No one can dispute this. The proof is in the economy.
The middle class republican sheep and their herders (millionaires Limbaugh, Hannity etc) are leading this nation to the working class slaughterhouse.
GOPnot4me @ 1:
I have been fuming for a while.
How in the hell did they NOT use the Phil Gramm "whiners" comment to drop McStupid 10% in the polls? Talk about squandering a golden opportunity. WTF is wrong with democrats? WHY are they afraid to use the TRUTH against the repug LIARS? Can someone, anyone, explain that to me logically? Have they been payed-off to take a "dive."
Economic misery for 95% of America = republican policy. Make the GOP agenda the issue. George Bush IS the republican party! He represents everything they want and believe in lock, stock and barrel. McSenile is the exact same doofus as Bush, just has less hair.
RMB @ 33:
Unless someone takes them down first.
None of my QTC responses are posting. Anyone else got this problem?
Ron @ 34:
And my idiot brother-in-law is one of them. Baaaaaaaa.......
NoGWBpolicyleftinplace @ 36:
I've got one of those and I have to be around him next week when my mother turns 90.
i have to admit i'm amazed mccain gets away with this.
this is mccain using ralph reed to connect with wealthy
evangelicals. ralph reed is very dirty
http://newsproject.org/node/112
I've had a lot of trouble accessing C&L lately. Gee, I wonder where Cheney is these days.
Sitting in the basement of the White House hunting and pecking with his fat cheeto-stained fingers, perhaps ?
constituent @ 38:
Reed throws a fundraiser and doesn't even show up? What is up with that?
i too am amazed when i try to talk to my R family members. they're completely brainwashed and get completely offended when confronted with facts. it's as if pulling on that thread will unravel the whole sweater and they simply can't have that.
re-posting this bit from the midday open thread cause it's just so strange:
i found this article in the austin american statesman today:
http://www.austin360.com/news/.....Obama.html
i thought i remember keith saying he was a dem a long time ago but a recent story here at C&L had me confused, reporting that he was a ‘lynching’ advocate and suggesting a link to obama somehow…
now, i’m in no way a fan of toby keith’s music, but i guess i can now go back to being happy about all the rednecks he might convert.
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Ron @ 40:
you know no video connection to fund raiser with visual source
MCcain to Announce His VP Pick Via Smoke Signals
ANP has a 15 minute video about Florida Congressman and Bushie Vern Buchanan. He needs to be taken down.
Only in my dreams would this be MSM worthy.
StirFry @ 44:
i watched that video another dirty dude....and he was backed by cheney,bush and romney......buchanan going to try and seperate himself from his car business. i didn't know that was going on another liar....the guy is filthy rich and he hires illegals to do work on his home
i just don't get these guys
mark @ 5:
what i dont get is why the russian leaders feel they need to reform the old soviet block
economically, they are doing better now than ever
the old czarist system will never return, peasant class is the thing of the past, and next to china, they have the fastest growing middle class in the world
i cant see the people going along with this
but of course, we in the us have allowed fascism to reign for the past 7 years...so i no longer have faith in my fellow man
constituent @ 45:
It pisses me the f*ck off. I saw this and I felt sick. Maybe the lawyers will delay the case until next year when Bush can't use that pardon pen of his.
The cancer that is the GOP has spread far and wide, insidiously infiltrating every aspect of 'merika'.
The only question remaining is "Is the patient terminally ill" or is the keomotherapy finally beginning to work?
Uncle Joe Mccarthy @ 46:
Don't believe the western MSM.
fiver @ 4:
Its a phenomenon that I don't understand. Consider the worker bees and the queen bee. The bottom 99% of the Republican Party constitutes the worker bees that risk death, or supporting issues that are at odds with their own interest to protect the queen bee, or top 1%.
One thing about Reagan that I'll always remember is how he crushed the Air-Traffic Controllers union by firing them all when they went on strike. By doing that, he pretty much crushed the American labor movement.
I was hoping at the time, that the US labor movement would stood up and fought back, maybe even calling a national strike to protect the right to strike as they certainly would have in Italy, France, Spain, or almost anywhere else in Europe.
Instead, the labor movement responded like a whipped puppy, and ever since, the power of the labor movement, which is necessarily the core of an effective organized left, has faded to almost nothing.
That's why the right thinks of Reagan as a saint. To this day, the American left has not recovered from the damage that he caused.
constituent @ 6:
I met a man today--in his early 70s, well-spoken, seemed intelligent enough about other practical matters--who is absolutely convinced that deposits of oil can replenish themselves as fast as we take it out of the ground. His reasoning was, even though he knew so much had been taken since the 1850s, *we've had over 150 years for it to begin to replenish itself.* I effing kid you not.
He was adamant that the reason we're not getting it out of the ground is that Nancy Pelosi (he called her "that mama down in Frisco"--priceless) won't permit the nation to drill, and *she has stalled Congress on producing more wind turbines, solar plants and hydroelectric dam construction.* It's her fault.
I was at his home, thinking of buying a musical instrument from him. (I passed.) He didn't have the TV on, but I bet I know which channel it was dialed to. How can someone function in everyday society and be so stupid? I was, honestly, flabbergasted. Here's a guy McCain will have no trouble reaching with chants of "drill here, drill now."
CoIntelPro for Pronktastic Victory Over SCLM, DIEBOLD, ESS and SEQUOIA! @ 26:
Very well written, as a Canadian I watch your election from the other side of the border. I think everyone in america should read this article
Jack Canuck @ 51:
The workers that weren't union thought it was all okay. They didn't realize that unions protected their wages and benefits too, by setting a precedent.
Protect elections, prosecute Rove!
http://www.velvetrevolution.us/prosecute_rove/
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BBC: Some residents 'furious' over NYC terror checksDavid Edwards and Stephen C. Webster
Published: Tuesday August 19, 2008
If you are forced to reveal oneself in either person, papers or artifacts, you no longer retain the Right to be a private citizen; you then no longer are free to remain private and secure from intrusion. A direct violation of the Fourth Amendment.
Mandatory searches are, in effect, warrantless seizures of personal data. In a society that demands it's citizens not retain their Right to privacy, that society then becomes less free, not more free.
R E M E M B E R:
THEY(sic) HATE US FOR OUR FREEDOMS...
... And so THEY(sic) have debated, lobbied and legislated away those very FREEDOMS that made us American by definition.
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dave matthews band member LeRoi died unexpectedly
http://www.cnn.com/2008/SHOWBIZ/Music/08/19/davematthews.band.death/inde...
local virginia poll mccain and obama tied
http://www.wjla.com/news/stories/0808/543162.html
I'm so tired of hearing how Reagan was a hijacking of the Republican Party. The white man's party (I'm talking about the Republicans again; althought this applies to the Dems as well) has always been one of extreme corporate greed and war. Why must we all be forced to endure on liberal website after liberal website that the crazy white men of the Reagan era were some kind of abberation. Reagan is what Republicans are and were. Reagan is largely what this country is.
Even crazy-ass Obama claims to admires Reagan.
RobertD @ 52:
Yes! McCain will soon be drilling this dumb bastard in the exact same place Bush has for the last eight years.
RobertD @ 52,
Yes, and soon McCain will be drilling this dumb bastard in the exact same place Bush has been drilling him for the last eight years!
new word otter @ 41:
Didn't find at your link, but searched to here...that is surprising, thanks.
Ron @ 54,
And they also don't care about what companies like Wal Mart do their employees. That is, until they have their own job outsourced to satisfy Wallstreet. Then they HAVE to by all that cheap tainted toxic shit from Wal Mart, because its the only place they can afford to shop.
Even then, I don't think half the dumbasses understand how it works.
80% of the people say the country is a disaster because of Bush and his (GOP) policies!
48% of the country supports McSame! What more needs to be said!
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MSNBC: Bush creating 'embryonic police state'
Nick Langewis and David Edwards
Published: Tuesday August 19, 2008
R E M E M B E R:
THEY(sic) HATE US FOR OUR FREEDOMS...
... And so THEY(sic) debate, lobbied and voted to restrict the defining FREEDOMS of America.
You are not more free when restricted on how you can remain less private.
Q U E S T I O N:
Who knows what THEY(sic) will do with your personal data during the next decade?
Will THEY(sic) then legislate that all data be held... forever?
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The author Thomas Frank ("What's the Matter With Kansas?") postulates, correctly, that the entire aim of the conservative movement has been to destroy liberal, enlightened, progressive, representative government in America -- you know, the kind envisioned by the Founding Fathers. Freedom, peace and equality are anathema to them.
I think they've mostly succeeded.
RobertD @ 54:
it's much more complicated then one person. next you see this gentleman remind him this congress/legislative branch has a paper thin majority and has had opposition on everything........a record number of filibusters.this is the problem with people politics is a culturally identity so logical thinking is out the door
Sen. Dianne Feinstein breaks ankle, pulls out of Democratic convention
http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Sen._Dianne_Feinstein_breaks_ankle_pulls_0...
Another turncoat dem!
A nice find on youtube, this guy plays some great guitar. :)
Whit Smith "It Stops With Me "
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5we7mQwKfE
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POLITICS: Bush Covered up Musharraf Ties with Qaeda, Khan
Analysis by Gareth Porter*
So, having made the Middle East less safe and America less safe from terrorism...
W H E N
CAN WE
IMPEACH?
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People of color and people with learning problems are more likely to get corporal punishment. Will McCain take the 9/11 Challenge?
[Edited per poster request-Sitemonitor]
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Miers: From Supreme Court Nominee To Pakistan Lobbyist
By Kate Klonick - August 19, 2008, 9:57AM
REMEMBER:
A court ruled the Miers and Bolton MUST COMPLY to subpoenas from the House Judiciary Committee.
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I think it was Thom Hartman who called them the "Hooray for me, too bad for you" party.
I am a Democrat nicely asking Democrats to quit trashing Reagan. If anything, I can see more similarities between Reagan's and Obama's campaigns than differences. Both were running against a status quo party during tough economic times, and with terrorism in the Middle East as well as tough rhetoric on how to deal with the Soviet Union/Russia. Reagan was an amazing speaker and had an electric following from people; as does Obama. Reagan had a large following from Democrats; as Obama has a large following among Republicans. Democrats can not argue with the fact that Reagan had at least as much of a favorable rating as president when he left office as Bill Clinton did. Sure, Reagan had Iran-Contra; Clinton had Lewinsky. So what? That just means they were not perfect beings, just humans occupying a very powerful position. Every president we have had who served a full 8 years in that role has had some sort of questionable decision. Get over it! Obama brings hope, as did Reagan in 1980. So, Democrats, leave Reagan alone; and Republicans, quit acting like Reagan was some sort of messiah.
Arch.
Arch @ 75:
Well, to date, Obama hasn't sold arms for hostages...
Or pilfered the National treasury to buy cocaine for arms and for the wholesale terrorist training of foreigners...
That you had to declare what you are was the big give away that you are not what you said you are...
Is like the Priest declaring that he is a man of the cloth who begs for forgiveness of "other" pedophiles...
Yes, we forgive you for being a LOYALIST who seeks to place Ronni RAY-GUN back on his godly thrown....
Please, no need to cry at night. The sins of his past are not yours...!
We now are in the 21st Century, presidents DO NO wrong... RIGHT?
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Cindy Sheehan on the Alex Jones show.
Know he doesn't generally speak your language, but thought you might be interested in what Cindy says.
we are really in trouble with this election.....
the reichwingneocon 29%'ers would vote
for a toilet full of diarrhea as president
and not know the difference in that and
mccain.
ronald reagan:
deregulation
de-unonization
avoid anti-trust
privitization
took power away from working class. now politics since his administration has become a culture war. i've met people who won't even listen to both sides of an issue.
people don't get it this is what obama was talking about in san francisco....about people hanging to guns and religion. it wasn't a put down/heiarchy issue he recognizes what the (R) has done. it now rallies low-middle class working class on issues like abortion. these people only know this issue. the same people they support are the ones taking their economic abilites away from them. b. clinton confused this whole movement even more with NAFTA which of course was in the making during reagan and bush terms. i think some political minds on the (R) if obama gets in he could change this culture movement in 1-2 terms after all the work they did
to control voters. personally i'm sick of it....that's why my grandmother told me people didn't talk about politics and everyone got along.....her and i did she was smart as hell
and no college....she was irish at first forced to read and became enjoyable habit. cultural values have become more important than economics. now people are struggling.......i hope people stay away from the kool-aid.
as we have seen nothing really changes culturally. bush made all kinds of promises to evangelicals....it's not going to happen....and it doesn't nee to happen. live your life how you want don't worry about me or people in castro district s.f. who cares. this really pisses me off
it's the hate strategy they are told liberals hate them....
they think they are better than you. well a lot of that has to do with reduction of unions/wages.....more segragation
of economy classes. this has been brillant by darwinian capitalist,behavorial and linguistic people.
George Bush Has Stolen $2,300,000,000,000.00 From U.S. Tax Payers
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8482630004994436948&ei=lNCrSI_cL...
$2,300,000,000,000.00 That's TRILLIONS,....with a "T".
Where is it? Are we supposed to just forget about it, because 9\11 occured the very next day? Oh! It's just past history? Here and gone?
How far will they be allowed to take these crimes before ANYTHING is EVER done, besides a brief severe tongue lashing? Quadrillions? Quintillions? Centillions?
These are not kids that have gone just a little too far. These are the worst crimes of theft EVER committed in the history of this nation. EVER!!
Where's the investigations Rummy said were needed to be done? That was almost EIGHT YEARS AGO!
Question? Why would McCain or his staff not listen to the questions Obama was answering before the debate and miss such a golden opportunity?
Republicans hate the middle class. Their entire agenda is a promotion of a two class system...the aristocracy and the peasants. Any attempt at promoting the middle class is labelled 'Socialism' or more recently 'Marxism'.
Arch wrote:
I am a Democrat nicely asking Democrats to quit trashing Reagan.
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How about I nicely tell you to STFU?
If you like Raygun, you are quite uninformed.
On Aug. 20, 1968, the Soviet Union and other Warsaw Pact nations invaded Czechoslovakia to crush the ''Prague Spring'' liberalization drive of Alexander Dubcek's regime.
Arch @ 75:
YOUR 'CONCERN' IS NOTED and summarily disregarded. raygun was a piece of shit and an idiot tool of boosh.
the whimsical way in which he put the nation's skies at risk by firing the air traffic controllers tell you all tyou need to know about his 'concern' for the working man.
his trip to bitburg to praise nazis ahould tell you all you need to know about his political leanings.
his manipulation of the Iranian hostage situation tell you all you need to know about how he disregards the safety of americans in favor of political opportunity.
his 'arms for hostages' forays should tell you all you need to know about his concern for the laws of america and for congress and the constitution.
his petty foray into grenada should tell you all you need to know about how he can pick on the smallfry.
he turned california into a model police state for the rest of the country and look where we are now. have you seen the denver police preparing for the Democratic convention?
go somewhere else and praise raygun.
in this place, people know who and what he was.
Cap Jones @ 82: hat tip 2 u!
Watched the CBS Morning Show (or whatever its called nowadays), and guess who they had on to guess who Obama would pick for VP?
Renagade former Democrat Gerry Ferraro! WTF? Didn't she say she would never vote for Obama? I guess no loyal Dem was avaliable on short notice?
She went to CBS's stupid bulletin board with photos of possible candiates and got digs in against Obama and several other front runners for being "weak on foreign policy."
This is just as wrong as when NBC let Karl Rove hold forth on the subject a couple of weeks ago. Why are these people with well known hate for brown people allowed free time to crap on Democrats?
CoIntelPro for Pronktastic Victory Over SCLM, DIEBOLD, ESS and SEQUOIA! @ 84:
The nation's former fawning over (and yearning for another) Raygun reminds me that our media at the time did not really look into his many flawed policies and practices either. Someone older (or with a better memory) please correct me if I'm wrong, but I seem to recall little criticism of him by our "fourth branch"while in office.
YIKES!!!
McCain takes 5-point lead over Obama-Reuters poll
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - In a sharp turnaround, Republican John McCain has opened a 5-point lead on Democrat Barack Obama in the U.S. presidential race and is seen as a stronger manager of the economy, according to a Reuters/Zogby poll released on Wednesday.
McCain leads Obama among likely U.S. voters by 46 percent to 41 percent, wiping out Obama's solid 7-point advantage in July and taking his first lead in the monthly Reuters/Zogby poll.
Charles @ 15:
Well, I agree with Bill Maher...
The Democrats lose because they're pussies...
Plain
and
Simple
Kerry didn't want to take the gloves off and neither will Obama.
I wish The Rock or Vin Diesel would run as a Demo candidate.
dennis @ 88:
bogus! "likely us voters" is the new meme
Daily Reading pt 1...
Honeybee deaths reaching crisis point - http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2008/aug/12/conservation.wildlife1...
The National Bee Unit has attributed high bee mortality to the wet summer in 2007 and in the early part of this spring that confined bees to their hives. This meant they were unable to forage for nectar and pollen and this stress provided the opportunity for pathogens to build up and spread.
The BBKA is calling on the the UK government to put £8m over five years into researching honeybee losses and improving bee health.
Pollination of fruit and vegetables at risk.....Deniers are the scum of the earth, everyone should be an environmentalist...if they value their life and/or lives of others....dominionist rapture express watchers need not apply...
Globalization death watch, part III: Either we'll be green or we'll be poor - http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2008/8/18/181049/080
The United States trade deficit is threatening to upend globalization as we've known it. The rise in the price of oil has been leading to a similar result: an international trading system in which there is much less trading. Now, that may actually be a good thing, in the long-run, but in the case of the United States it might happen in a very chaotic way.
This problem that has been accelerating since George W. Bush took office: The United States has been buying many more goods than it has been selling. As I hope to explain, eventually this will lead to a sharp fall in the value of the dollar, which will lead to a sharp fall in our standard of living.
The irony is this: in order to save globalization, the U.S. will have to lessen it. If the U.S. rebuilds its manufacturing sector so that it doesn't have to import as many goods and can export more goods, then the dollar will not collapse, and a healthy amount of trade -- that is, trade that will be possible with expensive oil -- can continue. But if the U.S. continues to hollow out its manufacturing base, eventually it will turn into the equivalent of a poor country, only able to sell raw materials to the richer countries that can manufacture.
Rebuilding the manufacturing economy by building up green industries like wind and solar equipment, rail, and electric cars is not only good for green collar job creation, but it will also allow us to balance our trade because we would not have to import oil and we could trade our manufactured goods for foreign manufactured goods.
An Oil-based economy is doomed (Russia will have a 20 year resurgence...then...kaboom)...we're at a historic moment in history...lets not be greedy, lets be smart.
Bush/Cheney Crime Family: The Secret Deal For Iraq's Oil - Jason Leopold - http://pubrecord.org/nationworld/262.html
Previously undisclosed Halliburton documents obtained by The Public Record confirm that controlling the world's second largest oil reserves was a top priority for the Bush administration. Additionally, the deal between the Department of Defense and Halliburton unit Kellogg, Brown & Root to operate Iraq's oil industry saved Halliburton from imminent bankruptcy.
Blood for Oil....for those of us who called this back in March of 2003....we told you so...
MUST READ! Military.com: Why I Will Not Vote for John McCain, By Phillip Butler - http://www.michaelmoore.com/mustread/index.php?id=1038
As some of you might know, John McCain is a long-time acquaintance of mine that goes way back to our time together at the U.S. Naval Academy and as Prisoners of War in Vietnam. He is a man I respect and admire in some ways. But there are a number of reasons why I will not vote for him for President of the United States.
Doctor Phillip Butler is a 1961 graduate of the United States Naval Academy and a former light-attack carrier pilot. In 1965 he was shot down over North Vietnam where he spent eight years as a prisoner of war. He is a highly decorated combat veteran who was awarded two Silver Stars, two Legion of Merits, two Bronze Stars and two Purple Heart medals.
Sorry folks the link to military.com is down...gee wonder why....this is a keeper and should be sent to all McBush voters/supporters...
George W. Bush's Economy: The Invisible Hand Slaps Con-servatives Again, by Jonathan Chait, TNR - http://economistsview.typepad.com/economistsview/2008/08/sunrise-sunset....
Ah,... the Bush Boom. It's a bygone era, ... cut short--by ... the Bush recession. Actually, the second Bush recession, to be precise.
When Phil Gramm recently remarked that we were becoming "a nation of whiners, " he gave voice to what had become the standard Republican view. What's the matter with you people? Can't you see that Phil Gramm (still McBush's chief economic adviser)and everybody he knows are making out like bandits?
OBAMA 08
Is McCain Lying About His POW Experience? - http://news.aol.com/newsbloggers/2008/08/19/is-mccain-lying-about-his-po...
The REAL John McCain - http://indigentahole.blogspot.com/2008/08/real-mccain.html
McBush's War: Playing With Nuclear Fire - Steve Weissman - http://www.truthout.org/article/mccains-war-playing-with-nuclear-fire
John McCain calls the conflict in Georgia "the first probably serious crisis internationally since the end of the Cold War," and he is doing everything he can to make it his own, even at the cost of upstaging the shrinking President Bush. But the tragedy in Georgia also reveals the most embarrassing foreign policy blunder since - well, since the Bush administration decided to wage a preemptive war in Iraq.
If deep thinkers in Washington insist on setting up a string of client states to encircle Russia, they should never let the puppets pull their own strings, as [Georgian President] Mikheil Saakashvili appears to have done when he sent his army into rebellious South Ossetia. Certainly, the Russian bullies were just waiting to pounce on any provocation, but that is precisely the point. Never provoke unless you are prepared to respond, and don't leave the decision to "the help."
Every day the crisis continues, Washington looks more foolish, huffing and puffing and mouthing demands that no one - least of all the Russians - take as anything but Cold War rhetoric. This could lead to dangerous miscalculations on all sides, yet no one in our dumbed-down imperium seems likely ever to be held to account.
Manufactured war....$640 Billion a year Pentagon Budget...16 Billion a week in Iraq...McBush = McSame
Bob Herbert: A World of Difference 'Around the same time that the McCain campaign was pocketing its oil industry windfall, the historian Douglas Brinkley was poring over letters in which Roosevelt, running for his first full term as president in 1904, was indignantly ordering his campaign to return a $100,000 contribution from the Standard Oil Company.'
- http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/19/opinion/19herbert.html?_r=1&oref=slogin
Roosevelt = Republican, ExxonJohn McBush = Corporatist Neo-con-servative
Obama Tells Allies He Is Ready to Hit Back. Whack McCain Upside the Head, Barack. No More Turn the Other Cheek Democratic High-Ground Stuff. Just Tell the Truth and McCain Will Feel Like Hell.
- http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/18/AR200808...
About time!!! For those who want 'an elevated campaign'...sorry...that can't happen in this country with the GOP & corporate media....you have to play with the cards you're dealt...
Democratic Party platform: More diversity in media - http://www.mediachannel.org/wordpress/2008/08/18/democratic-party-platfo...
A 'Chief Technology Officer' in cabinet, better/faster access to Internet, & NET NEUTRALITY!!! (our 2nd Constitution!)
Labor, Film Co. Paint McCain as the ‘Real Elitist’ - http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/08/18/labor-film-co-paint-mccain...
The four-minute video, produced by Robert Greenwald of Brave New Films, is called “McCain’s Mansions: the Real Elitist” and showcases various McCain homes and condominiums in Arizona, California and Virginia, with one valued at $4.66 million.
While highlighting the inherited wealth of Mr. McCain and his wife, Cindy – the video also includes a cable news clip poking fun at Mr. McCain’s $520 calfskin loafers made by Salvatore Ferragamo – the video also focuses on the tale of Eileen Gillis, described as a systems engineer and sales clerk whose house in Connecticut was foreclosed upon.
Daily Reading pt 2...
AP correctly calls Joe Lieberman a PRICK - http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_con...
Olbermann chastises McCain: Grow up! Senator is acting like a child, needs immediate attitude adjustment - http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26271658/
Politico is reporting that John McCain will pick his VP on August 29, the day after Barack Obama's 76,000 speech in Denver and McCain's 72nd birthday
- http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0808/12619.html
If there's one thing the GOP knows what to do...its political theater and pandering to corporate media's news cycle ADD...
The GOP's Inflation Nation, Wholesale prices: Highest annual rate in 27 years - http://money.cnn.com/2008/08/19/news/economy/producer_prices/?postversio...
It Was Only a Matter of Time Before Her Talent Would be Recognized. Rachel Maddow to Get Her Own Daily Program on MSNBC, Replacing Dan Abrams, Starting on September 8th. You Go Rachel!
- http://tvdecoder.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/08/19/rachel-maddow-comments-on-...
Gore to Join Obama in Speaking at Invesco Field on the Night of the Nomination Acceptance Speech - http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/08/19/gore_to_speak_at_i...
Heart Monitor, Court tosses federal rule that limited air-pollution monitoring - http://www.grist.org/news/2008/08/19/monitor/
Full Steam Ahead, Google.org invests in geothermal energy - http://www.grist.org/news/2008/08/19/geothermal/
Charge! Israeli Electric-car visionary would overhaul the way we get around - http://www.wired.com/cars/futuretransport/magazine/16-09/ff_agassi?curre...
Think it could never happen? Think again: 100,000 electric cars will roll out in Israel by the end of 2011, and Denmark will also provide a testing ground. And wherever Agassi goes, he convinces CEOs, mayors, investors, and statesmen that the world could become a Better Place.
Unlike con-servatives who know full and well that Oil revenue funds international terrorism...yet...the american pulbic is still blind/stupid to this obvious fact...
Bush is afraid of Joe Biden. Check out these pictures taken July 30 at the White House. In the first one, Bush looks sheepish or guilty. In the second one, he's shaking hands with Biden but looking at Richard Lugar. Bad sign when you can't look somebody in the eye.
http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/Sen-Joseph-Biden/ss/events/pl/011107senjos...
http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/Sen-Joseph-Biden/ss/events/pl/011107senjos...
In the longer view of history, Reagan will be seen as the foolish figure who destroyed America. Our present "little toad who would be king" is just his spawn.
Ron @ 39:
Heh. My family and I don't talk politics. Haven't done it since the Reagan Administration.
Bad sign when you can't look somebody in the eye, especially while you're shaking hands with him.
http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/Sen-Joseph-Biden/ss/events/pl/011107senjos...
How did we manage to bungle election this up so badly?
Obama screwed up doing a European tour and then a Hawaiian vacation (relatives or not). He has been steadily declining. The GOP is now hollering for his UofC papers and his relationship with Ayer. The ads will be devastating, and being a new kinda pol and all, how will O meaningfully strike back without Candy Crowley and the crew harping on his flip-flopping again? THAT will be the media story while the ads work their magic.
It's gonna take a miracle.
Is it just me or does Bush look a little sheepish and guilty here? Maybe even afraid.
http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/Sen-Joseph-Biden/ss/events/pl/011107senjos...
And meanwhile the W administration is doing their utmost to keep us on schedule for....Armageddon.
"Rice signs missile defense deal with Poland"
"WARSAW, Poland - Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and her Polish counterpart signed a deal Wednesday to build a U.S. missile defense base in Poland, an agreement that prompted an infuriated Russia to warn of a possible attack against the former Soviet satellite."
Ray gun was the woist.
He ran calling for the 200 year and then some deficit to be cut, and instead doubles it in just eight. He made up a phony war in Grenada to improve his ratings (the original Wag-the-Dog). He takes credit for the fall of the Soviet Union simply because he spoke Pat Buchanan's idiotic line, "Mr. Gorbachev, tear down that wall." Roger Waters should sue them. Actually it was the corruption and the market reforms of Gorbachev that did that with perestroika and glasnost.
He even tore up the unions, thus dooming us to stagnant wages, while supporting Glasnost, and despite being a former union head himself.
And he played up to the idiot fringe Moral Majority too much.
What did Reagan exactly do? I lack fact based historical knowledge about this. I know about Reagan Democrats and how he swayed a lot of votes, but did he inject religion and bigotry? I'd like to understand the image in full glory.
And since he is deified by all the repugs and by the other large ignorant part of the population who just blindly follows what pundits and repug says, I fear I won't get much more clear, concise and critical info from wiki. Isn't he the greatest American, no?
@5
One of the Reagan myths is that he single handedly ended the cold war. That it wasn’t 40 years of containment that did it, and the inherent bankruptcy of Soviet Communism, but instead RR’s belligerence. Well I’ve always felt that this myth was not only wrong, but dangerous.
Lol, when the pope died, on eulogies on television all Pundits were yelling "The pope that defeated Communism". Those myths and exaggeration of the action of one technocrat are really a pain in the as to listen to. The only thing the pope really did succed in singlehandedly is to have help spraid aids and teenager pregnancy in the third world by denouncing condoms.
The effect of one ill-advised person is only strong and direct in utter failure, as success often depends on thousand of factors on which one hasn't got allways control.
So they better not try to single out the things on which they had a pronounced effect.
McCain IS The Manchurian Candidate:
http://www.usvetdsp.com/mar08/mccain_manchurian.htm
This is the information people need to know about McCain; 28 Medals for 20 hours of combat flight, softer treatment as a POW because he was the son of an Admiral, etc.
http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnmccain.com/
Reagan was a puppet-moron President who ushered in the current right-wing Totalitarian movement in the United States.
My favorite Reagan quote:
"You can fit all the waste from a Nuclear Power Plant under your desk."
dennis @ 88:
Woohoo! Four more years (or until McCain dies or crumbles like a one of those mummies in the Mummy) of a lame duck presidency!
Our ties with Czechoslovakia will become stronger. These will be exciting times.
I thought you guys said if McCain became president, it would the end of the republican party ? I guess he pandered his way into your hearts.
Charles @ 95:
The greatest danger to American foreign policy would be the enemy within.
If ever there were a place to just stay away from, it is surely the Caucasus,Seldom was a policy so stupid,
South Ossetia and Abkhazia are likely to be only a taste of things to come.
US efforts to bring Georgia into Nato, and the routing of a key Caspian oil pipeline through its territory
Aimed only at weakening Russia's control of energy supplies, It was only a matter of time before a conflict.
That in times before the liberal interventionism of George W Bush (pre 2001) would have been handled by the,
United Nations through quarantine and negotiation With calls to respect national sovereignty that was then.
But both the current president, Mikheil Saakashvili, and his predecessor came to power in western-backed coups,
the most recent the "Rose revolution".
Neoconservatives often try to gloss over this intervention in a foreign nation as simply spreading democracy.
When a government is installed "Democratic" simply seems to mean "pro-western" in these cases this is not democracy.
With all the fury over Russian aggression it turns out it was actually Georgia that began the war Aug 7th 2008,
with an all-out attack on South Ossetia to "restore constitutional order"
Georgian president, Mikheil Saakashvili,
Said he claimed the right to assert military control over its two dissident provinces, South Ossetia and Abkhazia,
And Georgia's president thought he could call on the support of neoconservative allies in Washington proving like,
George Bush,and John McCain,that even a western University education cant change a doorknob into a genius.
America is otherwise engaged in wars that bear a striking resemblance with concern to sovereignty of other nations
The west has lost all leverage and can do nothing.
Georgian president, Mikheil Saakashvili,and George Bush were treated by Russia to a brutal lesson in power politics.
America's imperial expansion project undoubtedly provoked a backlash of Russian aggression.
The people promoting military action are mostly the same people that promoted the action in Iraq,(PNAC)
and other think tanks and study groups.
In his Farewell Address, George Washington expressed the view that the greatest danger to American foreign relations
would be the "passionate attachment" of influential Americans to a foreign power,
which would orient U.S. foreign policy for the benefit of that power to the detriment of the United States.
dose such a situation exists today?.
Notice that you are staying clear of the Georgia neonazicon war. Would hate to think that it is because bloody Israel/AIPAC is the unmentioned provakature, and a chief player, right up close and personal with good 'ol USA. Another neonaziecon fall on your face 'operation'. Love it!!!!!
Charles @ 95:
B..b..b..b...but we can't go to war again! The "24" movie hasn't come out yet, and I really want to see it!
StirFry @ 100:
I don't know that he's really pandered his way into many of our hearts, StirFry. I honestly don't know where this is coming from, at least from my perspective, as no one I know is really excited about McCain. Everyone I talk to just shakes their heads when I bring his name up, like 'What are ya gonna do'. The end of the party? I don't know about that eithere- it's hard to predict that with the current ineptitude of the Democrats, and if Obama loses, it could be devastating for them. So neither side wins, really.
This poll may not be accurate, it is Zogby afterall, but the trend is not favorable to Obama, and the inexperience attribute is starting to become obvious. But no way should this be happening. He needs a game-changer, the right VP pick or a serious error by McCain, something. Right now, Obama needs to step it up or it won't even be close.
Arch @ 75:
back in the seventies, when I was a young man living in CA, I really didn't give a shit one way or the other about politics. That is, until our illustrious gov Ray-gun gave a speech about how the average man should feel the bite of paying taxes because then he knows he's paying for "good" government. Back then we actually had reporters that did what they were supposed to do and one of them asked his highness how much he paid in taxes. Good Ronnie pooh-poohed the question so a reporter dug into and discovered that the hypocrite bastard payed virtually nothing because he had all his money in tax-sheltered investments.
From that point on I couldn't stomach this POS, but I'll give him credit for one thing; he made me aware of the fact that that we all need to become informed and active participants in this thing we call democracy if we expect it to be around for future generations.
dennis @ 104:
polls schmolls!
Don Davis @ 2:
That may be too hi-tech for him. Pony Express is more his speed.
I am not worried what Mr. "72 without a clue" Might do come Nov he will lose.
What I do care about is what this admin is trying to do right now we are fighting two wars and fucknuts wants to start another
The Russians are not going to play hide the insurgents OBL.
No the Russians will play lets stop all the oil see how long we last bet it takes a week.
Y'all remember trees cause pollutoin
and ketchup is a vegetable?
Takes one to know one.
If ray guns Star Wars program became successful
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoGTytebuc4
ysbaddaden @ 110:
Are you sure your not Bush cause you sound as dumb as him.
CoIntelPro for Pronktastic Victory Over SCLM, DIEBOLD, ESS and SEQUOIA! @ 83:
McCane remembers it as if it happened yesterday...
ysbaddaden @ 110:
Ketchup as a vegetable--a classic!
Eating a Quarter-Pounder w/Cheese gives you two USDA servings of vegetables--who knew?
fastfeat @ 113:
Shit!!! I hate memory lane nothing good ever comes from that friggin place.
dennis @ 104:
So why are you always johnny-on-the-spot with the latest poll favorable to McCain, lil' d? Do you regularly obsess over things that don't really excite you?
I have been poking around Craigs List, looking for a car. I noticed that it also has threads for rants and raves, and politics. So I read a bit, mostly Fox news rightwing talking points, Harrisburg, PA. I added some posts to try and even things up a bit. Rants and raves has a nazi Operator that flags post down pretty quick, so sad, even Craigs List has a censor.
I hope to god the Nixon era ends this year, I am ready for some liberal/progressive values finally. I am sure the rightys are gonna give it up anyway, the "Cookie Jar" is now officially empty. There really is nothing left to loot, cept for a deficit. Nobody wants a bill.......................
Dennis @ 112:
I know enough to remember idiocy and that the word you're using is YOU'RE.
Defending idiocy, what does that make the defender?
ray gun spent his entire time in the Whitehouse doing his interminable, irritating imitation of Jimmy Stewart in Mr. Smth Goes to Washington.
Dennis @ 109:
Should I draw my scenario again.
1) USA installs puppet regime in Georgia, then eggs that regime into antagonizing Russia.
2) At the same time, the neocon Administration continues to negotiate and install "defense shield" system into former Soviet republics and satellites, ringing Russia. This is in DIRECT VIOLATION of the promise made by President Reagan, the patron saint of the GOP, to Mikail Gorbachev to "share the defense system" with them and also to NEVER install it within the Russian sphere of influence and threaten Russian national interests.
3) Russians "invade" Georgia, in defense of their citizens and in defense of South Ossetia, which has formal relations with the Russians.
4) Now...let's play the speculation game...U.S. covertly provides military assistance and "supplies" to Georgia.
5) Now...reality...meeting held in Brussels by heads of NATO stating support of Georgia. President Bush advises Russia not to attempt to "redraw the Cold War" map.
6) Russian response is to threaten Western Europe with reduced or eliminating oil shipments to the West unless their sovereignty and national and defense interests are respected.
7) More speculation...U.S. moves additional carrier group into Persian Gulf to protect oil shipments through the Straits of Hormuz
8) and more...U.S. advises Syria and Iran of their interests in maintaining stability in the Middle East. U.S. repositions ground troops on Iraq-Iran border. Warns Iran that any provocative action will result in an attack on "weapons facilities".
9) Russia provides additional fighter aircraft and "instructors" to Iran. Unsubstantiated rumors are that Russia has also based a small bomber group inside Iranian territory.
10) Russia moves carrier group into Persian Gulf for "military exercises". U.N. voices concern over so many battleships in close proximity in the Gulf.
Anyone want to take it from there. Here's some scenarios...Israel bombs Iranian targets over nuke concerns. Russian and U.S. battleships collide with one another in the Gulf. Russian soldier kills U.S. military advisor on Poland-Georgian border or vice versa, claiming border incursion.
Yeah. It can get bad very quickly. Particularly when you have no real diplomats in our current Administration.
9)
Rusty The One Shackleford @ 115:
Come on Rusty...it's dennis we're talkin about...tryin to make sense of the senseless will drive ya batty.
this is the party that wellstoned 13 yo samantha smith for being the anti reagan and speaking out too simply and powerfully against the trillion dollar still unworkable "star wars" missile defense contractor givaway that is turning poland into a new cuba. thanks a lot GOP.
Glix @ 81:
Today's winner! Elegant, truthful and straight to the point.
Liberal AND Proud @ 119:
Oh I believe that things can get real bad real fast, But I don't think those that just watch TV get just how bad things can get.
It is not like anyone living today can visualize a real war like WW2 with millions dead for what?
It is not like I plan on living forever but chimpy causing this just ruins my day.
i watched larry king last night useualy i dont but he had bill mahers on his show , mahers was less then thrilled with obama , he said obama had the right stuff before he won the primarys then he shitcanned his supporters who supported his change slogans and then moved to the center, he mentioned the fisa sellout the patriot act , and the rest of obamas mistakes about moveing to the center , just ike kerry and gore did, guess not many will be watching ol bill on friday nights if he doesnt defend obamas lets get them evil doers in afganistan!
StirFry @ 100:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-E-Q1NGk1mI&feature=related
NoGWBpolicyleftinplace @ 122:
Agreed!
Don't worry people...Dennis was doing his Frank Luntz polling routine for Hillary during the Primary. Remember how that turned out, Dennis?
So, is the Bush foreign policy now being melded into the McCain energy plan of more nuclear.
Now I understand it. We can reduce our dependence on foreign oil by instigating a nuclear war so that all our cities will glow in the dark.
Left&Left @ 127:
I hope you know you got the wrong Dennis try dennis that maybe your fool cause I don't like the stupidbitch K.
Left&Left @ 127:
At this point in 1992, George H.W. Bush was leading Clinton too.
The historical record shows that in the real world, hegemony never has been a winning grand strategy.
The reason is simple: The primary aim of states in international politics is to survive and maintain their sovereignty.
And when one state becomes too powerful — becomes a hegemony — the imbalance of power in its favor is a menace to the security of all other states.
So throughout modern international political history, the rise of a would-be hegemony always has triggered the formation of counter-hegemonic alliances by other states
StirFry @ 100:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGqroT1FZ5Y
Open thread? Please C & L look into the story that the Bush administration is going to implement state and local police into its domestic surveillance program.
Sen. Joe Lieberman to speak at GOP convention
2000 Democratic veep nominee one of GOPer McCain's strongest supporters
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26310337/well heres something that will interst you mahers thinks obama better pick hillary for vp if hes wants to win , thought that would stir the botts up
Did you hear that Mr.72 without a clue"
Is going to announce his VP running mate at a rally with 15,000 person audience?
Where dose he plan to find 15,000 people he hasn't had more than 300 at a rally
the first big group he has seen was at the church with Obama, And we know they were
there to see the black guy.
tyree @ 135:
LOL!
Dennis @ 136:
You know who else spoke in front of 15,000 people?
HITLER!
Left&Left @ 127:
I never did Frank Luntz polling, I don't know what you're talking about there. Polls are polls, believe what you want to from them. But all polls show Obama's lead tightening. Dramatically.
And about the only thing I remember from Frank Luntz in the Obama-Clinton race, was when he asked a focus group of Obama supporters if they could name an accomplishment of Obama's that stood out in their minds, not one person could name one.
From what all the polls lately are telling us, that still pretty much applies.
Rusty The One Shackleford @ 130:
Might be relevant, Big Russ, if Ross Perot were running this year, but he's not.
He's 78 years old. Age and experience seem to be popular right now; maybe you guys can recruit him to be the spoiler again.
As a huge activist naysayer against Obama's centrist panderings - and with the 9-15 drop in his support proving it isn't just ME who believes that- the REALLY REALLY GOOD NEWS in all of this is that McCain, with the full weight of everything thrown at Obama by the Right and others, including the old sink that is Joe Lieberman they've got being thrown at Obama - McCain is still not beating him and McCain numbers remain so down around 44-45 HE JUST CAN'T GET UP.
Fly like a butterly- and you can go a log way it seems.
Sting like an angry bee- and you die!
HA!
dennis @ 140:
So if it hadn't been for Perot, Clinton would have been leading in August and then gone on to lose the election? Interesting take on history, lil' d.
But if age and experience are so popular right now, why can't McCain seal the deal? Is it because so much of his experience is questionable or downright shady? The lackluster military career, the adultery, Keating 5, the constant flip-flopping, etc?
dennis @ 140:
Ah yes dennis...McBain is old, and experienced alright...older than dirt, and experienced at what, exactly dennis? Being a so called "maverick"? Waffling on every issue? NOT showing up for votes? ANd Voting the Chimpy line when he DOES get his old ass to the senate...
Old age and experience doesn't always make someone wise dennis.
All this Hillary talk will end soon she will not be on the ticket so get over it already.
and if Obama was to lose she will not be able to run in 2012 nobody will forget ready from day 1
She is done it's over for her and Bill either get on board or vote McCaine it's your choice just stop crying about it.
It was over after Indiana the pollsters just wanted it to keep going and the Repugs infiltrated and were having a ball with you.
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