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OBAMA / DURDEN 08

"We have just lost cabin pressure."

Seeing this Nope poster makes me wanna kick myself I didn't come up with that first. Hilarious.

That poster need a fleet of B52s and B1/2s flying over his head off to bomb the little people.
Maybe a warship firing cruise missiles in the foreground too.
Then it would be the perfect cold war revisited McCain poster.

New Banner Going up at next McCain Rally:

"Mansion Accomplished"

OBAMA / CLARK 08

I keep telling you guys, trust me his VP is going to be Gen. Wesley Clark.

#10 on the NYT bestseller list

THE PROSECUTION OF GEORGE W. BUSH FOR MURDER, by Vincent Bugliosi.

ah well, indicted and tried in book form at least, we can dream of real life impeachment.

I wonder if Nancy has bought or read Vincent's book yet, maybe some kind soul would send her a copy.

man its Biden, the SS has already been stationed at his house. this is terrible. biden is a blowhard egomaniac with bad hair plugs, guess he is insecure too. how sad.

Excellent! Long overdue, that. Try this one, too (if the link doesn't appear here, click on my name):

rend @ 9:

man its Biden, the SS has already been stationed at his house. this is terrible. biden is a blowhard egomaniac with bad hair plugs, guess he is insecure too. how sad.

Relax, this is a stunt, it's not Biden, it's Gen. Wesley Clark.

take it to tha bridge, Obama!

Who's it gonna be?? My take 70% Biden/ 20% Chet Edwards / 10% everyone else

PR Push for Iraq War Preceded Intelligence Findings
"White Paper" Drafted before NIE even Requested

National Security Archive Electronic Briefing Book No. 254
Posted - August 22, 2008

For more information contact:
John Prados - (202) 994-7000

Washington D.C., August 22, 2008 - The U.S. intelligence community buckled sooner in 2002 than previously reported to Bush administration pressure for data justifying an invasion of Iraq, according to a documents posting on the Web today by National Security Archive senior fellow John Prados.

The documents suggest that the public relations push for war came before the intelligence analysis, which then conformed to public positions taken by Pentagon and White House officials. For example, a July 2002 draft of the "White Paper" ultimately issued by the CIA in October 2002 actually pre-dated the National Intelligence Estimate that the paper purportedly summarized, but which Congress did not insist on until September 2002.

A similar comparison between a declassified draft and the final version of the British government's "White Paper" on Iraq weapons of mass destruction adds to evidence that the two nations colluded in the effort to build public support for the invasion of Iraq. Dr. Prados concludes that the new evidence tends to support charges raised by former White House press secretary Scott McClellan and by the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence in its long-delayed June 2008 "Phase II" report on politicization of intelligence.

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I M P E A C H
If Pakistan Can... Why Can't America?

Great post Max.

It's truly sad what has become of the U.S., but considering it and Britain's colonial past, and present, it seems that some, accutately, remain free from prosecution of heinous crimes. Never has Congress seriously policed its own, and now is no exception, when its most pressing hour shows only an unwillingness to act.

It's Delaware's U. S. Senator Joe Biden. All indications point to him!

http://osi-speaks.blogspot.com/2008/08/breaking-news-unofficially-barack...

Here's something you won't hear about from our Corporate Controlled Media: Iran has bought more than 1 million tons of hard red winter wheat directly from the U.S. First time in 27 years we have done business with those folks. Details: http://english.people.com.cn/90001/90777/90852/6482894.html

i hope obama picks ted kennedy, just to really piss off cousin dick...

...f'real.

My buddy working in the Obama campaign told me a little it ago that it is Biden. He wouldn't say that and tell me unless someone above him told him. So either it is Biden, or the campaign is even using its own workers for a bait-and-switch. I don't think it is the latter...

Why does the McCain vid require a login, while the Obama vid does not?

Am I doing something wrong?

Miers: From Supreme Court Nominee To Pakistan Lobbyist
By Kate Klonick - August 19, 2008

Harriet Miers, former White House counsel, one-time Supreme Court nominee and current partner at Locke Lord Bissell & Liddell, can now add lobbyist for the Pakistan People's Party and the Embassy of Pakistan to her resume, according to documents filed with the DOJ earlier this month.

In May of this year, Locke Lord Strategies signed a one-year $900,000 agreement to lobby for the Embassy of Pakistan. On her foreign agent registration short form, Miers listed the "Embassy of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan, Pakistan People's Party (PPP) and Asif Ali Zardari, Co-Chairperson of PPP and his children" as clients. The group's ongoing work lobbying for the PPP continues on a pro bono basis.

In case you're wondering if this has anything to do with the current events in Pakistan, The Blog of Legal Times has your answer:

What does President Pervez Musharraf's resignation mean for Locke Lord? Probably not much. The firm has represented Asif Ali Zardari, the leader of the Pakistan Peoples Party and an opponent of Musharraf, since March, when the firm was retained to promote democracy and pressure Pakistan's government to investigate former PPP head Benazir Bhutto's assassination.

I'd prefer Hillary Clinton was named VP, that would be sweet and an unbeatable ticket, but Biden is a supposed foreign policy expert who might actually give that cred to Obama. But really, its not that complicated: Rule number 1: Dont invade other nations with the U.S. military. Foreign policy problems solved.

odanny @ 14:

Great post Max.

It's truly sad what has become of the U.S., but considering it and Britain's colonial past, and present, it seems that some, accutately, remain free from prosecution of heinous crimes. Never has Congress seriously policed its own, and now is no exception, when its most pressing hour shows only an unwillingness to act.

Thanks.

The Phase II was being held up by Pat(sy) Roberts (R-Ks) who refused to investigate.
HE HELD THE LID ON THESE FACTS.
Senator Roberts, the patsy of the Bush Regime, should be held culpable and arrested for the assistance and cover up of WAR CRIMES.

Here's another: my McCain Rope-A-Dope-Nope gif

And the GOP stooges gif I tried to post above:

The Phase II was being held up by Pat(sy) Roberts (R-Ks) who refused to investigate.
HE HELD THE LID ON THESE FACTS.
Senator Roberts, the patsy of the Bush Regime, should be held culpable and arrested for the assistance and cover up of WAR CRIMES.

don't forget how rockefeller glossed over the phase 2 report.

rend @ 9:

man its Biden, the SS has already been stationed at his house. this is terrible. biden is a blowhard egomaniac with bad hair plugs, guess he is insecure too. how sad.

lost horizons! if he picks ol windbag the shits in the wind!

ABC is reporting that the Secret Service has been dispatched to Biden's home to protect him indefinitely. He was just notified that he's the pick.

McCain = nothing but McWAR

China beat us in the Olympics superpower race, too. The FDA ok's radiating veggies. Americans are too broke to go on vacation this Labor Day. I also posted this yesterday, but they're also too broke to send their kids to school. Bush is cutting and running.

CNN reporting that they confirmed with insiders that Biden is the pick.

Mister Anderson @ 27:

ABC is reporting that the Secret Service has been dispatched to Biden's home to protect him indefinitely. He was just notified that he's the pick.

*APPLAUSE*

Relative sanity triumphs.

stevo @ 30:

CNN reporting that they confirmed with insiders that Biden is the pick.

obama better bend over and kiss his ass goodby if he has picked ol whistle nuts, the games over!

ferrofluid @ 32:

JC's say no to endless war pic

Wow, someone's creative. If you look at the elephant it almost looks like an Mc. Could someone maybe add the Cain to it?

4 more years of Bush then.

"Drill hear and drill now."

Christ

Anti-Obama Hillary supporters, a lot of folks will join you in the morning,

In retrospect, I don't blame ya.

Mister Anderson @ 27:

ABC is reporting that the Secret Service has been dispatched to Biden's home to protect him indefinitely. He was just notified that he's the pick.

camp obama's probably giving ABC a run-around, as well they should.

i hope it's ted kennedy.

who better to serve the '63 junta their death knell?

Oh no, the Hillary supporters are going to start sniveling again.

Ron @ 37:

Oh no, the Hillary supporters are going to start sniveling again.

yeah about like your going to november after kerry er obama throws in the towel

Good article, full of links to supporting news stories and analysis.

Under Moscow's wing

Events in Georgia have had some surprising repercussions in the Middle East

VP pick UPDATE!!!!!!!!

Barack Obama can pick his VP, and he can pick his nose - but he can't pick the VP's nose!

It's in the Constitution.

tyree @ 38:

Ron @ 37:

Oh no, the Hillary supporters are going to start sniveling again.

yeah about like your going to november after kerry er obama throws in the towel

At least I will wait and see if that happens instead of whining now.

rend @ 9:

man its Biden, the SS has already been stationed at his house. this is terrible. biden is a blowhard egomaniac with bad hair plugs, guess he is insecure too. how sad.

Choosing Sen. Biden as his VP choice, sends a message to the soon to be fleeing Repugs.

So will McDumb jump on the bandwagon and choose Polygamist (woof woof) as his VP choice now.
McCain is soon to learn the golden rule of double blind dating, never go with someone better looking (alive with blood coursing through veins) than yourself.

Obama should pick someone who didn't vote for the war, or that guy's going to drag him down like Edwards did to Kerry.

[You apparently missed this Thursday-Sitemonitor]

Ron @ 41:

tyree @ 38:

Ron @ 37:

Oh no, the Hillary supporters are going to start sniveling again.

yeah about like your going to november after kerry er obama throws in the towel

At least I will wait and see if that happens instead of whining now.

glad to hear it!

[You apparently missed this Thursday-Sitemonitor]

Okay, the AP is confirming that Biden is the pick!

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/V/VEEPSTAKES?SITE=WIMIL&SECTION=HOM...

Dr. Britney Hussein Matt @ 45:

tyree @ 38:

Ron @ 37:

Oh no, the Hillary supporters are going to start sniveling again.

yeah about like your going to november after kerry er obama throws in the towel

[You apparently missed this Thursday-Sitemonitor]

Doctor, you are a doctor arent you? your a loyal supporter even when your in your cups!
[Sorry tyree. That one slipped through-Sitemonitor]

It's official: OBAMA/BIDEN are taking the gloves off.

The MSM is giving this a good spin: "appeal to blue-collar voters."

"Smiling attack dog" Biden ala Waxman ?? who prosecuted/punished/condemned/I give up-reprimanded? exactly 0 Bush administration officials for all their crimes of the last 8 years. Wow. Again, it's Zero. Biden is a misunderstanding. Obama, like a CEO who f**ks up, will have some splainin' to do in November. Biden who voted for the Iraq war, attacked Obama during the Primaries, a DC insider, represents "sameness we can distrust" so it's more drilling and more wars after all.

Bullet Tooth Joe: I want to know who blagged America's 2004 election.
Repug geezer: Do me a favor, Joe!
Bullet Tooth Joe: I will do you a favor, Repug geezer. I'll not get out of this car and bash the living fcuk out of you in front of all your girlfriends.
[Repug geezer hunkers down to the car window]
Repug geezer: Got to make it worth my while, mate. Jebus, Joe, you know that...
[Joee seizes his tie and rolls up the window, wedging Repug geezer's head in it]
Bullet Tooth Joe: Comfortable, Repug geezer? It seems sadly ironic that it's that tie that's got you into this pickle. Now you just take all the time you want.
[He starts the car forward]
Repug geezer: What the fcuk are you doing, Joe?
Bullet Tooth Joe: I'm driving down the street with your head stuck in my window. What do you think I'm doing, you pen-ass?
Repug geezer: Slow down, Joe.
Bullet Tooth Joe: [sniffs] You been using dogsh1t for toothpaste, Repug geezer?
Repug geezer: Slow down, Joe! Slow down, Joe!
Bullet Tooth Joe: I don't think I'll slow down. I think I'll speed up. You can play some music if you like.
[He turns on the radio; Madonna's "Lucky Star" is playing]
Bullet Tooth Joee: Oh, I love this track.
Repug geezer: I think...
Bullet Tooth Joee: Yes, Repug geezer?
Repug geezer: I think it's two of Rove's operators, in an office on K street.
Bullet Tooth Joe: You better not be telling me porky pies.
Repug geezer: I'm fcuking telling you, it's two black guys who work off a office in fcuking K Street!
Avi: That's very effective, Joee It's not too subtle, but effective.
[Joe accelerates and turns toward Smith Street]
Avi: Are we taking him with us?
[Joe rolls down the window, releasing Repug geezer's head and dumping him on the roadside]

I hope like hell that McCain picks Romney. The two poorest Senators vs. the two richest!

black ops guys

Tequila @ 43:

Obama should pick someone who didn't vote for the war, or that guy's going to drag him down like Edwards did to Kerry.


BIDEN attacking Bush and the Republicans on Iraq

did anyone get their "be the first to know" email or text message?

i heard keith say obama camp says no announcement before 7am...

damn rabid media...

Ron @ 37:

Oh no, the Hillary supporters are going to start sniveling again.

They stopped?

The tin foil crowd will go nuts with Biden a CFR member.

well personaly i dont care if he wasnt smart enogh to go with the gal who dam near beat him and carries a lot of votes and states biden wont bring in any voters hes a wind bag, i gave up on obama when i found out he was just five hundread dollars better the mccain!

Bush/McCain 2008.

McCain/Bush 2008.

What?

I thought for sure that McCain either had Bush as his running mate in the upcoming November presidential election or that Bush (and his insane policies) were what voters will be deciding on in November, thus making McCain Bush's running mate, as Bush and all the crazed neo-con neo-fascist Republicans seek a third term.

Oh, and Mukasey just notified Congress about the Republican's "October Surprise," planned for just before the November elections. Mukasey is going to arbitrarily expand illegal investigations by the FBI, issuing his own version of an illegal Bush "signing statement," ordering the FBI to spy on U.S. citizens, without probable cause or even a reasonable suspicion that someone either has committed or is planning on committing a crime. Count on a huge number of liberals, or liberal-leaning Independents, being "rounded up" just before the November elections. And the charges? Suspicion that they are going to vote for Democratic candidates, including Barack Obama, instead of siding with the Fascist Republican candidates, including John "Boy" McCain.

katy @ 55:

did anyone get their "be the first to know" email or text message?

i heard keith say obama camp says no announcement before 7am...

damn rabid media...

i signed up but no text message...except from stinky ole CNN. yeah, D.C. paparazzi's are hanging around peoples houses.

rezko reality check.......much about nothing......take a break from the v.p.nominee you can stop breathing thru
your mouth wow.......geeze

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/rezko_reality.html

Porridge: Yeah, I read that interview where he regretted his vote, too. They might still use it against him, but then I guess he can use Bush changing positions, too.

Starskee @ 24:

Here's another: my McCain Rope-A-Dope-Nope gif

And the GOP stooges gif I tried to post above:

nicely done, what program do you use for GIFs?

if romney gets the nod the mormons in utah,nevada,idaho
and orange county will be celebrating with jello parties

Tyree, how about all of us work together to get the democratic nominees elected. We have a congress and a senate that need 60% majority. We need a President that won't nominate SCOTUS who will destroy the constitution. We also need a VP that will stand with the President.

the poster is not bad but looks more like lee iacocca.

try this one:

http://www.crasscommerce.com/product_info.php?products_id=390

funnier.

.

Ron @ 65:

Tyree, how about all of us work together to get the democratic nominees elected. We have a congress and a senate that need 60% majority. We need a President that won't nominate SCOTUS who will destroy the constitution. We also need a VP that will stand with the President.

ron obama votes for the patriot act fisa approves of nafta ,votes for funds for two wars intends to expand the war in afganistan ect ect wont destroy the constitution, you got to be kidding me!

Well....If Obama/Biden get elected at least Governor Minner will see to it that a good Democrat replaces Biden.

constituent @ 64:

if romney gets the nod the mormons in utah,nevada,idaho
and orange county will be celebrating with jello parties

Mormons dont drink do they, so......... if Romney gets the VP slot, look forward to a revamped renewed eighteenth amendment,

PROHIBITION for America, something that might awaken the millions to the dangers of the religious right and their disapproval of joy.
Will redneck and mid west America vote for the party of Prohibition ?

Eighteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution

Following significant pressure on lawmakers as a result of the temperance movement, and later prohibition, the House of Representatives finally passed the amendment on December 18, 1917. It was certified as ratified on January 29, 1919, having been approved by 36 states. It went into effect one year later on January 29, 1920. (Some state legislatures had already enacted statewide prohibition prior to the ratification of the Eighteenth Amendment.)

dallas billionaire behind ayers ad what a surprise

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0808/Dallas_Billionaire_McCain_do...

The Oracle @ 59

And check out the line up at the RNC. Bush , Cheney, Guili, Tom Ridge, it's like 2000/2004 all over again.

I think they're going to open the ceremonies with an exploding diorama of the twin towers then Bush will fly in on a mock up jet dressed in his pilot costume to meet with McMansions in center stage. Later, they'll have a fake grave site of Reagan, then Romney will come out of the ground like a zombie to be christened as VP. Along the sides of the convention, they'll have Gitmo prisoners in cages so the elites who paid $5000 ticket can spit on them . It's going to be spectacular .

If Biden is 65, then he'll be 72 at the end of Obama's term and would be 80 if he served two terms. I don't know if he'll run for President after Obama if Obama is elected. I hope he'll be a good Dick Cheney.

ferrofluid @ 69:

constituent @ 64:

if romney gets the nod the mormons in utah,nevada,idaho
and orange county will be celebrating with jello parties

Mormons dont drink do they, so......... if Romney gets the VP slot, look forward to a revamped renewed eighteenth amendment,

PROHIBITION for America, something that might awaken the millions to the dangers of the religious right and their disapproval of joy.
Will redneck and mid west America vote for the party of Prohibition ?

Eighteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution

Following significant pressure on lawmakers as a result of the temperance movement, and later prohibition, the House of Representatives finally passed the amendment on December 18, 1917. It was certified as ratified on January 29, 1919, having been approved by 36 states. It went into effect one year later on January 29, 1920. (Some state legislatures had already enacted statewide prohibition prior to the ratification of the Eighteenth Amendment.)

they love to eat jello.........there are 80,000 mormons in las vegas all of them will vote. mitt's grandparents had multi spouse

It seems Biden is it. I'll bet that Biden now thinks that not only is Obama clean, he's minty fresh. Not a bad choice if Biden can cure himself,at least temporarily, of his foot-in-mouth disease.

Well that's $1 Million in texting charges down the drain......

I'm really liking Biden though from what I've seen of him. Let's kick ass and take back the White House now.

tyree @ 67:

Ron @ 65:

Tyree, how about all of us work together to get the democratic nominees elected. We have a congress and a senate that need 60% majority. We need a President that won't nominate SCOTUS who will destroy the constitution. We also need a VP that will stand with the President.

ron obama votes for the patriot act fisa approves of nafta ,votes for funds for two wars intends to expand the war in afganistan ect ect wont destroy the constitution, you got to be kidding me!

Well, I tried to make you think about the consequences of McCain winning but I guess you are beyond using commom sense.

Texas Democrat @ 76:

Well that's $1 Million in texting charges down the drain......

I'm really liking Biden though from what I've seen of him. Let's kick ass and take back the White House now.

I could list about a dozen things not to like about Biden.

But the time to list those things has passed.

Ron @ 77:

tyree @ 67:

Ron @ 65:

Tyree, how about all of us work together to get the democratic nominees elected. We have a congress and a senate that need 60% majority. We need a President that won't nominate SCOTUS who will destroy the constitution. We also need a VP that will stand with the President.

ron obama votes for the patriot act fisa approves of nafta ,votes for funds for two wars intends to expand the war in afganistan ect ect wont destroy the constitution, you got to be kidding me!

Well, I tried to make you think about the consequences of McCain winning but I guess you are beyond using commom sense.

yeah well that road goes both ways !

constituent @ 74:

ferrofluid @ 69:

constituent @ 64:

if romney gets the nod the mormons in utah,nevada,idaho
and orange county will be celebrating with jello parties

Mormons dont drink do they, so......... if Romney gets the VP slot, look forward to a revamped renewed eighteenth amendment,

PROHIBITION for America, something that might awaken the millions to the dangers of the religious right and their disapproval of joy.
Will redneck and mid west America vote for the party of Prohibition ?

Eighteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution

Following significant pressure on lawmakers as a result of the temperance movement, and later prohibition, the House of Representatives finally passed the amendment on December 18, 1917. It was certified as ratified on January 29, 1919, having been approved by 36 states. It went into effect one year later on January 29, 1920. (Some state legislatures had already enacted statewide prohibition prior to the ratification of the Eighteenth Amendment.)

they love to eat jello.........there are 80,000 mormons in las vegas all of them will vote. mitt's grandparents had multi spouse

How much Jello is that?

tyree @ 79:

Ron @ 77:

tyree @ 67:

Ron @ 65:
ron obama votes for the patriot act fisa approves of nafta ,votes for funds for two wars intends to expand the war in afganistan ect ect wont destroy the constitution, you got to be kidding me!

Well, I tried to make you think about the consequences of McCain winning but I guess you are beyond using commom sense.

yeah well that road goes both ways !

It's about time for you to make a U-turn, then.

I bet McCain's sleeping through this shit right now in his jewel ladened bed under golden silken sheets. He has the clapper and turned off his TV and lights about six hours ago.

Osama bin Laden
Obama 'n Biden

There, I just wrote the script for the Limbaugh show for the next week.

tyree @ 79:

Ron @ 77:

tyree @ 67:

Ron @ 65:
ron obama votes for the patriot act fisa approves of nafta ,votes for funds for two wars intends to expand the war in afganistan ect ect wont destroy the constitution, you got to be kidding me!

Well, I tried to make you think about the consequences of McCain winning but I guess you are beyond using commom sense.

yeah well that road goes both ways !

yah know ron when a politician goes along with what the repigs want like palosi and ried do youall crucify them when obama votes the same way hes our salvation, how is that?

tyree @ 84:

tyree @ 79:

Ron @ 77:

tyree @ 67:
Well, I tried to make you think about the consequences of McCain winning but I guess you are beyond using commom sense.

yeah well that road goes both ways !

yah know ron when a politician goes along with what the repigs want like palosi and ried do youall crucify them when obama votes the same way hes our salvation, how is that?

Is that the best you've got?

I assume Nope is short for No Hope.

Ron @ 85:

tyree @ 84:

tyree @ 79:

Ron @ 77:
yeah well that road goes both ways !

yah know ron when a politician goes along with what the repigs want like palosi and ried do youall crucify them when obama votes the same way hes our salvation, how is that?

Is that the best you've got?

it,ll do untill you hear obama praiseing the fbis plan to investigate anyone without any cause ,

If Obama gets tough with McMansion straight through the election he might just make it, even with Biden.

im not excited at all by the biden pick

how do you run on a campaign of change, then pick a dnc candidate?

what made clinton more exciting was when he picked gore...you had 2 young guys running, who were both out of the mainstream

obama got some really bad advice here

and biden is known to let his gums flap in the wind

god, i hope this doesnt hurt him

new word otter @ 66:

the poster is not bad but looks more like lee iacocca.

try this one:

http://www.crasscommerce.com/product_info.php?products_id=390

funnier.

.

Yes that one is way better. And I'm not just saying that because it's my artwork (OK, I am).

yep, a generic DC lifer, woo hoo

otoh, McGrandpa appears poised to have a stroke during a debate

Ron @ 85:

tyree @ 84:

tyree @ 79:

Ron @ 77:
yeah well that road goes both ways !

yah know ron when a politician goes along with what the repigs want like palosi and ried do youall crucify them when obama votes the same way hes our salvation, how is that?

Is that the best you've got?

yah really didnt answer the question ron , say did you hear cnn says mccain and biden are such good buds they even share thier pizzas at lunch time,

blue dude @ 3:

Seeing this Nope poster makes me wanna kick myself I didn't come up with that first. Hilarious.

Not me. But that may be because I DID come up with it first.

T-shirts and stickers at the link above.

tyree @ 92:

Ron @ 85:

tyree @ 84:

tyree @ 79: yah know ron when a politician goes along with what the repigs want like palosi and ried do youall crucify them when obama votes the same way hes our salvation, how is that?

Is that the best you've got?

yah really didnt answer the question ron , say did you hear cnn says mccain and biden are such good buds they even share thier pizzas at lunch time,

And your point?

No text message yet....could the media have gotten it wrong, again!?

Al Gore is scheduled to meet with Obama in the morning, think they are going to just discuss the weather?

Since Biden's family members are DC lobbyists, I assume it means Obama will no longer attack these people and now we have one message less in the campaign to brag about. If not, are we to assume that if Obama attacks these evil DC lobbyists who have been screwing Americans for so long having Biden by his side, the smile on Biden's face will be the duo's phoniest theatrics or rather the "change we can believe" has been something deeper all along and we're yet to discover what exactly the idea means? The youngster don't like it. How about quitting and letting Hillary run, this whole thing just doesn't seem right.

[jim, frank, ron, lou, lisa, mark, paul. Quit changing your name-Sitemonitor]

I don't think that anyone picked Hillary, Biden, Clark or whoever, some of you would be bitching anyway.

Did anyone see this over at RAWSTORY.COM?

http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Buchanan_accuses_McCains_neocon_warmonger_...

Coming from Pat Buchanan, I was absolutely stunned at this article. Buchanan in no uncertain terms accuses Randy Scheunemann of treason.

This needs to get out there. All of these conservatives are judging Obama by the company he once kept.....Ayers, Wright, Father Pfleger, Rezko.....but are they judging McCain by the company he keeps and currently employs, that being Randy Scheunemann? Pat Buchanan certainly is.

I didn't know this about this Scheunemann's background. This is incredible. McCain has hired a Neocon who helped us get into Iraq and in fact was plugging to invade Iraq years before we actually did....as a member of PNAC, Project for a New American Century. And if McCain does eventually win and hasn't dumped this guy, chances are Scheunemann could become National Security Advisor.....something that will at last doom us all.

At least Obama did not hire Ayers or Wright or Pfleger or Rezko.....and he has denounced all of their actions and words.

Taking advice from, in fact, hiring a Neocon, is clear proof that McCain would be a 3rd term of Bush's presidency; in fact, it would be worse, and that just scares the hell out of me.

this whole thing that biden doesn't represent change is
poppycock......obama is the change...obama will make
and represent change....he needs to have some experience in order to understand changes that need to be made. if obama would have picked god it would have been wrong. i would have been more than happy to see
hillary as veep but i believe she will be very important for future policy making in the senate.

I'll vote for anyone that's not sympathetic to the Rethugs' bastion of indiferrence to humankind. Time to "tear down this wall" you fuckheads.

Obama/Biden '08 !!!!!!!!!!!! You get my full support and vote.

You lose McCain/Romney/Lieberman/Ridge/Pawlenty/Rick Warren! See you in hell. I'll be waiting with gloves on, but watch out for my boot. Oh, but you might enjoy that. How about waterboarding instead?

biden will make mccain cry trust me

General Jack D. Ripper @ 98:

Did anyone see this over at RAWSTORY.COM?

http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Buchanan_accuses_McCains_neocon_warmonger_...

Coming from Pat Buchanan, I was absolutely stunned at this article. Buchanan in no uncertain terms accuses Randy Scheunemann of treason.

This needs to get out there. All of these conservatives are judging Obama by the company he once kept.....Ayers, Wright, Father Pfleger, Rezko.....but are they judging McCain by the company he keeps and currently employs, that being Randy Scheunemann? Pat Buchanan certainly is.

I didn't know this about this Scheunemann's background. This is incredible. McCain has hired a Neocon who helped us get into Iraq and in fact was plugging to invade Iraq years before we actually did....as a member of PNAC, Project for a New American Century. And if McCain does eventually win and hasn't dumped this guy, chances are Scheunemann could become National Security Advisor.....something that will at last doom us all.

At least Obama did not hire Ayers or Wright or Pfleger or Rezko.....and he has denounced all of their actions and words.

Taking advice from, in fact, hiring a Neocon, is clear proof that McCain would be a 3rd term of Bush's presidency; in fact, it would be worse, and that just scares the hell out of me.

Great subject for K.O. and Rachel to hammer on up until the elections. Let's hope.

constituent @ 101:

biden will make mccain cry trust me

biden will make mcCain shart his park avenue knickers.

StirFry @ 103:

constituent @ 101:

biden will make mccain cry trust me

biden will make mcCain shart his park avenue knickers.

His depends will save the knickers.

Ron @ 104:

StirFry @ 103:

constituent @ 101:

biden will make mccain cry trust me

biden will make mcCain shart his park avenue knickers.

His depends will save the knickers.

lifes funny that you start in diapers and can end in diapers.........bummer

Ron @ 102:

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Great subject for K.O. and Rachel to hammer on up until the elections. Let's hope.

Yeah, it's sad that we expect only KO and Rachel to cover this. ....maybe Cafferty will mention it. But everyone else...fuggetaboutit

the negative framing is going to start tomorrow.
we can expect...the experience comments,change comments....i believe it's important that obama/biden
frame these well and early. the linguistics will be important at the same time they need to hammer
mcLie about the economy.
lobbyists are apart of life/politics. they will always be involved.....but they have too much power/involment.
it's not as simple as all lobbyists are bad and offer bad policy.black and white thinking doesn't do that topic justice it's much more involved/sophisticated than that.

StirFry @ 106:

Ron @ 102:

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Great subject for K.O. and Rachel to hammer on up until the elections. Let's hope.

Yeah, it's sad that we expect only KO and Rachel to cover this. ....maybe Cafferty will mention it. But everyone else...fuggetaboutit

Well, I guess we can help. Save the message and keep spreading it.

Damn.

Should have been Wesley Clark.

Joey Biden is old news. A verbose, gaffe-prone, inside-the-Beltway DNCer. The reich-wingers are already calling him "the Senate windbag" and "the plagiarist" and all that.

Damn.

My friend in New York said Obama is a shiny, happy, gullible, Pollyannish naif who has no idea what he's doing -- or what he's getting himself into. The swift-boating has only just begun, of course.

Get used to President McSame, the out-of-touch elitist warmonger.

some of you can look at the glass half full regarding biden. my guess is hillary may not have wanted the job.
the democratic primary went too long and it was a battle with scars. i hope you people get behind the big picture.
we want and need everybody. mccain will continue the
NEOCON philosophy and agenda. this country is in trouble now....the economy is dealing with deep debt. the republicans are trying their best to tell us there isn't a recession going on so not to further tarnish the bush presidency.

BigIslandDave @ 109:

Damn.

Should have been Wesley Clark.

Joey Biden is old news. A verbose, gaffe-prone, inside-the-Beltway DNCer. The reich-wingers are already calling him "the Senate windbag" and "the plagiarist" and all that.

Damn.

My friend in New York said Obama is a shiny, happy, gullible, Pollyannish naif who has no idea what he's doing -- or what he's getting himself into. The swift-boating has only just begun, of course.

Get used to President McSame, the out-of-touch elitist warmonger.

how does your friend know that to be absolutely true?
i'm curious when people make judgement(s)....please
share your friends knowledge....i don't want to vote for the wrong person.

At least Biden is clean and articulate.
And he jokes about taking dumps...something Americans can relate to (like me!). Sometimes Obama can seem a little uptight (at least he took off the tie in Hawaii), and I think Biden will balance it out. They'll have sort of a Odd Couple-esque vibe. At least it's better than the Ike-Tina-esque vibe we could have with McSkidmarks and Mitt Reagan.

Biden was a great choice. If Biden is a windbag then that makes McCain a windbag too.

GNA!

there's people that say obama doesn't know what he is doing.......some of those same people said bush did
know what he was doing.......i'll put my money on obama
for his brain power over bush and/or mccain.

Ron @ 114:

GNA!

take it easy ron

constituent @ 111:

BigIslandDave @ 109:

Damn.

Should have been Wesley Clark.

Joey Biden is old news. A verbose, gaffe-prone, inside-the-Beltway DNCer. The reich-wingers are already calling him "the Senate windbag" and "the plagiarist" and all that.

Damn.

My friend in New York said Obama is a shiny, happy, gullible, Pollyannish naif who has no idea what he's doing -- or what he's getting himself into. The swift-boating has only just begun, of course.

Get used to President McSame, the out-of-touch elitist warmonger.

how does your friend know that to be absolutely true?
i'm curious when people make judgement(s)....please
share your friends knowledge....i don't want to vote for the wrong person.

I don't necessarily agree with her 100 percent, because she was/is a diehard Hillary supporter who hoped she'd be Obama's running mate.

She just thinks Barack is a wide-eyed neophyte whose politeness and equanimity and willingness to make peace with GOP slime-buckets will end up sinking his candidacy.

Perhaps Biden will indeed open a can of kick-ass and spray it all over McSame and whoever he picks to be his partner in even more GOP crime.

But for now this pick lacks newness, dynamism, excitement. We'll see.

Uncle Joe Mccarthy @ 89:

im not excited at all by the biden pick

how do you run on a campaign of change, then pick a dnc candidate?

what made clinton more exciting was when he picked gore...you had 2 young guys running, who were both out of the mainstream

obama got some really bad advice here

and biden is known to let his gums flap in the wind

god, i hope this doesnt hurt him

I hope not as well.

Personally, I'm stoked about this ticket and Biden's a good man, overall. Not my choice, but a good one, nonetheless. If Howard Dean couldn't be available for the gig, then Biden's a pretty good compromise, imo.

At least now, the Democratic party can move forward and solidly support their candidates in good faith.

Excuse me, sitemonitor, anyone out there...have you checked the ad above this thread that demands we tell congress TO DRILL FOR AMERICAN OIL?

wtf?

Anyone who doesn't 'get' Biden, you're in for a pleasant surprise.

Biden's gaffs are harmless and part of his goofiness...but the man knows his stuff and HE is fucking brilliant. He's EXACTLY what the self-destructing dem party NEEDS.

"I like you, you're the real thing" I THINK i'M GOING TO BE SICK.

crazytown @ 120:

Anyone who doesn't 'get' Biden, you're in for a pleasant surprise.

Biden's gaffs are harmless and part of his goofiness...but the man knows his stuff and HE is fucking brilliant. He's EXACTLY what the self-destructing dem party NEEDS.

Let's hope so! Perhaps Joe will get me energized after all.

Hey, maybe Gramps will pick the doughy Connecticut Keebler Elf (R-Likud) -- or Gen. Betrayus! The warmonger ticket!

StirFry @ 112:

At least Biden is clean and articulate.
And he jokes about taking dumps...something Americans can relate to (like me!). Sometimes Obama can seem a little uptight (at least he took off the tie in Hawaii), and I think Biden will balance it out. They'll have sort of a Odd Couple-esque vibe. At least it's better than the Ike-Tina-esque vibe we could have with McSkidmarks and Mitt Reagan.

This post cracked me up and-- ITA

Biden?

and... where the hell is my text/email that would let know before the news outlets???

I WANT MY HOPE BACK!

Biden is a great pick, Obama needed an attack dog and he got a knowledgeable attack dog with Biden.

Hillary would of been great but she caused Barrack too much drama and gave McCain tons of free ammunition to use.

I'm happy with Biden

Thank god John Edwards was never chosen

Now, it's time for Lieberman to get picked by McCain to see comedy begin

Yo, E Rocks! @ 124:

Biden?

and... where the hell is my text/email that would let know before the news outlets???

I WANT MY HOPE BACK!

Yeah, what about that special, privileged, insider e-mail? ;)

Oh, well, the news is out. Start hammering away, Joe.

Yo, E Rocks! @ 124:

Biden?

and... where the hell is my text/email that would let know before the news outlets???

I WANT MY HOPE BACK!

Just got mine, woke me up seeing as it is 3:30 AM here on the east coast...I like how they sent it, but couldn't they have waited for a more godly hour!

http://pharmagossip.blogspot.com/2008/08/nope.html

I've worked on the image a bit to make it more like McCain.

Ron @ 108:

StirFry @ 106:

Ron @ 102:

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Great subject for K.O. and Rachel to hammer on up until the elections. Let's hope.

Yeah, it's sad that we expect only KO and Rachel to cover this. ....maybe Cafferty will mention it. But everyone else...fuggetaboutit

Well, I guess we can help. Save the message and keep spreading it.

I provided the link to the RAWSTORY article....I hope everyone reads the link to Buchanan's actual commentary....it's quite a scathing attack on Scheunemann and McCain. http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?pageId=73068

Biden!
Not my first choice, but a good one! Yeah, I'll settle for Biden. After 35 years in the Senate, they might be able to comb through everything he's ever voted on to find dirty laundry, but at least they can't make the "How much do you really KNOW about this guy," or the "He doesn't have enough experience" argument against him.

hello @ 118:

Uncle Joe Mccarthy @ 89:

im not excited at all by the biden pick

how do you run on a campaign of change, then pick a dnc candidate?

what made clinton more exciting was when he picked gore...you had 2 young guys running, who were both out of the mainstream

obama got some really bad advice here

and biden is known to let his gums flap in the wind

god, i hope this doesnt hurt him

I hope not as well.

Personally, I'm stoked about this ticket and Biden's a good man, overall. Not my choice, but a good one, nonetheless. If Howard Dean couldn't be available for the gig, then Biden's a pretty good compromise, imo.

At least now, the Democratic party can move forward and solidly support their candidates in good faith.

yup........biden is less than perfect. i would have voted for hillary no problem it didn't happen.....i would have accepted her as v.p. no problem it didn't happen. no offense......i don't care about excitement from the v.p.
obama has boxed in on every decision he makes this is a difficult time to run for president especially the opposing party why because we're at war or whatever it is. biden and obama( younger and older) are very aware of what this administration pulled on us and the legislative branch.....like signing statements. biden knows and lived the history of the last what 5+ presidents.....he can consult/comment on what has worked and what hasn't.....you can't change if you don't
know what to change......obama has a good idea biden will provide more knowledge to solidify those ideas. i
totally respect your friend's choice but it didn't work out.

General Jack D. Ripper @ 128:

Ron @ 108:

StirFry @ 106:

Ron @ 102:
Yeah, it's sad that we expect only KO and Rachel to cover this. ....maybe Cafferty will mention it. But everyone else...fuggetaboutit

Well, I guess we can help. Save the message and keep spreading it.

I provided the link to the RAWSTORY article....I hope everyone reads the link to Buchanan's actual commentary....it's quite a scathing attack on Scheunemann and McCain. http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?pageId=73068

i'm going to check that out general thanks for sharing

Rusty @ 127:

Yo, E Rocks! @ 124:

Biden?

and... where the hell is my text/email that would let know before the news outlets???

I WANT MY HOPE BACK!

Just got mine, woke me up seeing as it is 3:30 AM here on the east coast...I like how they sent it, but couldn't they have waited for a more godly hour!

Wolf Blitzer warned about that on his Situation Room show, but his guest (Jeffrey Toobin, I think) assured him that time zones would be considered.
You weren't supposed to get your email until 6:00 am, so he said..

hello @ 132:

Rusty @ 127:

Yo, E Rocks! @ 124:

Biden?

and... where the hell is my text/email that would let know before the news outlets???

I WANT MY HOPE BACK!

Just got mine, woke me up seeing as it is 3:30 AM here on the east coast...I like how they sent it, but couldn't they have waited for a more godly hour!

Wolf Blitzer warned about that on his Situation Room show, but his guest (Jeffrey Toobin, I think) assured him that time zones would be considered.
You weren't supposed to get your email until 6:00 am, so he said..

So I'll get it at 6am Saturday ... hours AFTER it's on the official Obama site? Like he'll fight FISA law after he doesn't? And....

goodness.

Sorry, my bad. It was John King who Mr. Blitzer had this discussion with.

some comment's regarding lobbyist scheunemann who is on mccains team...this could be somewhat serious.
obama needs to look at this

"Most important, Scheunemann's former lobbying firm, Orion Strategies, received at lest $800,000 from the government of Georgia between 2004 and May 15, 2008, when Scheunemann finally severed his ties -- officially, at least -- to the firm," notes The Nation. "Before that, between January 1, 2007, and May 15, 2008, Scheunemann was officially on the payroll as both Georgia's lobbyist and McCain's top adviser, during which time Georgia paid Orion and $290,000 and McCain paid him $70,000."

I was planning to not vote for the first time in my life.

Biden changed that.

Obama to me is like a human hologram. Biden is the real deal my friends.
The fact that O chose him makes me trust his judgement slightly more.
Still a bit worried the slots will fill up with multiplying metrosexuals, but Biden a heartbeat away from the presidency comforts me down to my bones.

I just received the text, 2:45 CT. Here's the contents:

"Barack has chosen Senator Joe Biden to be our VP nominee. Watch the first Obama-Biden rally live at 3 pm ET on www.BarackObama.com Spread the word!"

Still digesting the pick, but...

http://gopnot4me.blogspot.com/2008/08/hillary-clinton-attorney-general.html

Wouldn't you want Hillary as Attorney General, ripping them a new one and then...

Put her on the Supreme Court just before the first term ends?

Man, that'll mess 'em up.

gimme DANEger @ 137:

I just received the text, 2:45 CT. Here's the contents:

"Barack has chosen Senator Joe Biden to be our VP nominee. Watch the first Obama-Biden rally live at 3 pm ET on www.BarackObama.com Spread the word!"

:D

crazytown @ 136:

I was planning to not vote for the first time in my life.

Biden changed that.

Obama to me is like a human hologram. Biden is the real deal my friends.
The fact that O chose him makes me trust his judgement slightly more.
Still a bit worried the slots will fill up with multiplying metrosexuals, but Biden a heartbeat away from the presidency comforts me down to my bones.

easy dawg there is a book out by doris kearns goodwin
Team of Rivals.......i feel that obama will do something
like lincoln did as far as his cabinet. we just need to make sure he get elected otherwise it's k-street/NEOCONs on steroids

crazytown @ 119:

Excuse me, sitemonitor, anyone out there...have you checked the ad above this thread that demands we tell congress TO DRILL FOR AMERICAN OIL?

wtf?

Nobody here ever clicks on that crap, don't worry.

StirFry @ 82:

I bet McCain's sleeping through this shit right now in his jewel ladened bed under golden silken sheets. He has the clapper and turned off his TV and lights about six hours ago.

lol

I think you meant to say, "and turned off his platinum and jewel enrusted television.."

GOPnot4me @ 138:

Still digesting the pick, but...

http://gopnot4me.blogspot.com/2008/08/hillary-clinton-attorney-general.html

Wouldn't you want Hillary as Attorney General, ripping them a new one and then...

Put her on the Supreme Court just before the first term ends?

Man, that'll mess 'em up.

No, for two reasons. 1. Why WASTE the next Senate Majority Leader on a cabinet position like the AG, and 2. To put her on the Supreme Court would require Senate approval, and the Repubs would rather paralyze the Senate with a filibuster than let that happen. So, she'd be wasted as AG, and she'd never be approved for the Supreme Court.

Besides, I'd rather see Don Seigelman as AG, just for the pleasure of watching Rove shit his pants.

bubba @ 142:

StirFry @ 82:

I bet McCain's sleeping through this shit right now in his jewel ladened bed under golden silken sheets. He has the clapper and turned off his TV and lights about six hours ago.

lol

I think you meant to say, "and turned off his platinum and jewel enrusted television.."

Which plays "Matlock" 24/7 w/ lobbyist provided Tivo (and no MSNBC!)

Can't wait for Rachel...

Pericles @ 129:

Biden!
Not my first choice, but a good one! Yeah, I'll settle for Biden. After 35 years in the Senate, they might be able to comb through everything he's ever voted on to find dirty laundry, but at least they can't make the "How much do you really KNOW about this guy," or the "He doesn't have enough experience" argument against him.

Yes, they can. They can make any argument they want. They do it all the time. As long as they have enough people in the media repeating it with a straight face, they can make obvious nonsense plausible.

I don't like Biden. Frig. Obama/Biden. It's come to this.

Whatever. My vote will be cast in order to keep the zealous lunatics out of the White House, and in hopes of putting a tourniquet on a dying country's wounds.

If we accomplish that, we can breathe a little easier. But that's it. Then we need to work on a serious social movement that will send both of these worthless parties to hell.

AManWithoutAName @ 95:

No text message yet....could the media have gotten it wrong, again!?

Al Gore is scheduled to meet with Obama in the morning, think they are going to just discuss the weather?

Apparently, yes!

Obama/Biden 08

AManWithoutAName @ 95:

No text message yet....could the media have gotten it wrong, again!?

Al Gore is scheduled to meet with Obama in the morning, think they are going to just discuss the weather?

Actually, isn't the weather Gore's specialty these days?

Besides, even if Biden's selection had not been confirmed by this time, there are certainly plenty o'things for Obama and Gore to discuss besides the Vice Presidency. Campaigning, speaking at the convention, a place in the cabinet, the average velocity of sparrows......you get the idea.

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