US Threatens UK On Gitmo Case
By Steve Hynd Wednesday Aug 27, 2008 1:15pm
In a remarkable development at the High Court in London, an email from a senior US State Dept. official has been revealed, apparently threatening to curb co-operation with Britain on international intelligence sharing if details on a detainees interrogation are revealed. Lawyers for Binyam Mohamed, held at Gitmo, have taken legal action in the UK to force the release of details which, they say, will prove Mohamed was ilegally abducted and tortured into a confession. Mohamed claims that his torture included having his penis cut with a razor blade by Moroccan proxies for the US.
In an email to the Foreign and Commonwealth Office, which was sent on to the court, Stephen Mathias, a legal adviser to the US state department, said that the disclosure of information would cause "serious and lasting damage to the US-UK intelligence-sharing relationship and thus the national security of the UK, and the aggressive and unprecedented intervention in the apparently functioning adjudicatory processes of a longtime ally of the UK, in contravention of well-established principles of international comity."
Put simply, if the British High Court forces disclosure, the Bush administration will stop treating the Uk as a trusted ally. The High Court may not be in the mood to be bullied, given what has gone before on the case:
Last week, in the initial hearing of the case, the high court found that MI5 had participated in the unlawful interrogation of Mohamed. It emerged that one MI5 officer was so concerned about incriminating himself that he initially declined to answer questions from the judges even in private. Although the judges said that "no adverse conclusions" should be drawn by the plea against self-incrimination, it was disclosed that the officer, Witness B, was questioned about alleged war crimes, including torture, under the international criminal court act.
The Bush administration must be very worried about war crimes charges if they're willing to go to these lengths to bully an ally into keeping torture secret. But if the High Court rules for Mohamed, then the British government won't have a choice. It cannot overule the Court.
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Actually, the government could appeal to the Law Lords if it wanted, though in a case as divisive as this, they probably wouldn't.
you know the torture was worse then we have been told.
that why bush/cheney wanted to refuse habeus corpus.
i heard or read somewhere male dogs were forced onto
prisoners penetration. so much is going to come out.
The details of this torture should be revealed to the world! The Bush crime cabal must be brought to justice in the Hague.
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If a tree fell in the woods and the Administration brought in the wood chipper, did the tree ever exist?
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International comity? The Bush Administration is concerned about international comity?
Maybe they meant international COMEDY.
scumbags. all the more reason to make sure this ends in november.
If I found the magic lantern and pulled the djinni and she granted me 3 wishes, I wouldn't wish for a billion dollars, or Scarlet
Johansen, or front row seats at a Radiohead concert. I would wish for the trial and prosecution of the entire Bush Machine, the
election of Howard Zinn and William Blum tho the White House, and the hanging of all 3 CEOs of the major networks, their
editors and their anchors.
Wow. We really have become the bad guy... That is sad.
Nancy Pelosi is OK with it. She is as corrupt as the Bush/Cheney crime syndicate. She be all OK with the cutting and the stripping and all the other crimes from Bush.
So most of the world hates us and now they are trying to bully the one steadfast ally we have? It has to be a asshole puckering fear of being exposed as war criminals, otherwise it makes no sense. Very telling.
Christian terrorists applying racketeering, blackmail, extortion. Golly. Whata surprise.
"Mohamed claims that his torture included having his penis cut with a razor blade.."
What,now in addition to other humiliations they have to circumcise the detainees?
Oy veh.
Green Eagle @ 5:
I think what they really meant is that they'll go to any length to keep their sorry asses out of prison for the war crimes they are responsible for.
In other words,
You spill the beans on the illegality of our methods, your fucked.
I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if our former allies drop all diplomatic relations with us when Bush gets reelected (oops, I meant McSame gets elected.) I'm amazed it's even taken this long for the gloves to come off (diplomatically speaking.)
Blackmail is par for the course with w.
I'm sick and damn tired of nations looking the other way, or cooperating in coverups, or adding their troops to the "coalition," when crimes are being committed and human rights are violated.
If that's what "international comity" means, then I don't want any. If they've got evidence of crimes, cough it up. If there is political fallout, it will be the price of justice, which is far more important than "comity."
Bismarck @ 10:
And from what I hear about the Republicans, their sphincter muscles are well toned to pucker.
Mohamed claims that his torture included having his penis cut with a razor blade by Moroccan proxies for the US.
Dumbya said we don't torture? We just have others torture for us.
Well, then there is Gitmo etc.
Dumbya Regime=war crimnals, all of them.
cant wait for 09 @ 13:
What it means is that they are scared and if possible we should follow through with all investigations.
Sounds like blackmail to me.
Have we committed that crime yet, or is this the first time for that one?
Vic @ 19:
And the media that abetted those crimes.
This administration has violated so many laws, including international laws and has not been held responsible. (Thanks so much Pelozi, hope you are held responsible for demanding that impeachment be taken off the table) that they have become so arrogant thinking they are above all courts, all persons, all countries. In their arrogance where bush proudly proclaimed he knew of the torture and other things will be their undoing. They claim to be religious, doesn't the bible warn that pride is before the fall.
When the day comes that this entire administration and all of its enablers are held responsible in an international court the wounds they have caused can start to heal. Just electing a new president and changing the course will not be enough in itself, they must be held accountable and definitely NOT get off with a slap on the wrist.
Taking the combined wealth of them all and applying it to the national debt they have run up would be a start for this country as well. Our children will suffer because of their rampant spending, why should their children inherit millions, possibly billions? Take it all away, God knows most if not all of it was acquired by illegal means to start with!
IF our congress will not stand up to this administration the rest of the world must. Remember good people of England, these guys are out the door and will in due time be held accountable. By making the record known to the rest of the world of their war crimes you will be helping to make them pay for their criminal acts.
Please people of the world, do not think for one second that the people of this country back this kind of behavior, we have also been their victims. We have many enablers in congress, both Republican and Democrat that must be replaced by honorable people who know what the constitution says and will restore and uphold it. Each of those who have continued to enable the crimes of this regime must also be held responsible. (Remember that when Pelozi is up for re-election people of California)
We can start by electing Barack Obama in November with a wide enough lead that even when they try to steal the vote again they will fail. We can start by voting for men and women of honor when the terms end of those who have enabled this corrupt administration.
This makes Stephen Mathias an unindicted co-conspirator. Let the War Crime Trials begin.
We don't torture.
Why threaten? Let's just beat them up and take all their shit off of them.
Sadly, not too surprising.
All these Mother Fuckers need to be impeached and the citizens of this country need to start repeating the truth to each other on the topics of torture, "terrorism", anthrax, voting machines hacks, etc etc. Get outraged.
"We must speak the truth about terror." -- George W. Bush
If we had any real idea of the scope of crimes committed (past, present & future (plans)) by our government, we would gather weapons and ammo and attack Washington DC ourselves.
Most people are, however, too stupid to realize what is going on. No matter how much evidence is available. We would rather eat another pizza while watching a brainless reality TV show.
This story is nothing new. Since WWII, we (the good old US of A) has imprisoned, maimed and killed more humans than any other nation by far. We are the good guys? Bull shit.
History will not treat America kindly. How dare the cowboy Bush waterboys threaten the UK. Who the Hell do they think they are? Russi and China are going to show us who's really boss of the world.
Embittered & Anti-Republicrat - Max-Hussein-1 @ 4:
Not even the chips from the bush block head.
No more censorship of the truth. EVER. It'll work itself out. This is disgusting.
Watch the god damn documentaries...
Taxi to the Dark Side - Oscar winning film on TORTURE.
You've heard of the others.
I wish when I read something like this I could doubt it. I wish I thought this story was ludicrous. I would have, eight years ago.
g.w....born again gone bad.
CC @ 8:
And voting for the crotchy, old, decomposing soulless slimebag...John "I'm not George Bush, but I did stay at a Marriott Suites last nite", "It's not torture when the U.S. does it", "My economy is basically sound", "Vote for me, I'm a POW", "Which side of the abortion issue am I on? Humm..depends on who is asking", "It depends on what house means", "Money doesn't make you happy, but take it from me...it sure don't hurt", "I don't have a Donor Organ Card, I have a Cheney Donor Card", "No need to worry about the phone ringing at 3AM, the servants will answer it" McLameSameTakethecountrydownthedrainVoteformethenyourinsaneIflybutyoutakethetrainThecountryisbrokesodon'tcomplain...will only guarantee more of the same.
Ironic the US claiming Britain can't be trusted.
Dear Great Britain,
Throughout these past difficult years, you have been our one steadfast ally. When other countries around the world have abandoned our cause, you were there. When other countries have condemned us, you supported us. At almost every juncture in these trying times, we have always been able to count on you.
So, we just wanted to say,
FUCK OFF.
Criminal charges can be brought against bush after he leaves the white house. I wonder if any investigator will pursue these sorts of things.
Embittered & Anti-Republicrat - Max-Hussein-1 @ 4:
It is un-American for you to even ask such a question. Please report to room 101.
pissed off patricia @ 38:
For whatever its worth, Vincent Bugliosi is trying very hard to find a prosecutor somewhere in the country willing to give it a shot.
We are only a few judges and the ACLU away from TOTAL fascism.
Karen @ 37:
add a post script. to your letter: and STFU!
Now it's ready to be sent.
Karen @ 39:
Orwell rolls in his grave. Google it. A Faux news producer said, "If it has not been read or seen in the news, is it news?"
Karen @ 40:
Oh man, I sure as hell hope he finds one. Nothing in our country will be right again until we find, face and fix all that is wrong.
PoP, I suggested some time ago that if The Hague issued a warrant for Bush, Cheney and the rest, the best thing President Obama could do would be smile sweetly, step aside and repeat the hoary old Republican talking point on Gitmo: "well, if they're not guilty then they'll be found innocent and should have nothing to hide".
Regards, C
I am so pissed off right now at this country. Thanks for everyone here doing what they can do. And Go Barack!!!
pissed off patricia @ 42:
Don't forget to SWAKITA (Seal With A Kick In The Arse)!
DO YOU GUYS BELIEVE EVERYTHING YOU READ? NO WONDER AMERICAN IS PERCEIVED AS STUPID
[Love the typo. Trying to prove your own point, eh? Don't post in ALL CAPS/all bold-Sitemonitor]
The first step for us begins in November. If we turn out in record numbers and vote for Obama at least we will be showing the rest of the world that we're as tired of this shit as they are.
Ron @ 43:
And then the framing of the stories that ARE on the news is even more incredible than the real stories that should be on the news. Brought to us through the generosity of the Ministry of Truth. Like the Ivins Anthrax bull shit and the totally contrived Georgia/Russia conflict. All framed to illicit a response and market us a specific idea. All filled with information so full of holes it couldn't figuratively be used as a strainer. Nothing but half truths and total fabrications. We are taught to believe fairy tale nonsense from the time we can walk in this nation of zombies.
pissed off patricia @ 48:
We still have to beat the other opponent. DIEBOLD!
And what if Great Britian says okay fine, we are pulling all of our troops out of your wars. Then what?
Ron @ 50:
We can if our actual numbers are larger than they can fabricate. If the election isn't even close, it will be pretty difficult for them to cheat this one out.
This might just work. Saudi Arabia threatened the U.K. government with economic sanctions if they pursued the investigation into their arms deal corruption. Tony Blair obliged them saying to his people that pursuing justice was not worth it. They stood firm over Pinochet but eventually found a loop hole to save themselves from taking a stand.
In South Africa our government is pursuing its own leadership in an arms scandal a fraction of the size, and were are looked on by the world as corrupt.
Lets see how corrupt an Anglo American Partnership can be. I have no faith yet.
.... and the Uk intel services are probably breathing a sigh of relief because they wont have to share REAL intel either.... intel that is then publicised and politicised for the benefit of neo-con fear mongering...
... on a separate note, the fact that McSame is within 20 points of Obama in the polls, does go someway to disprove the theory of evolution...
Charles @ 49:
And if President InSane decides to remove troops from Iraq to send them into Georgia, I imagine we'll be hearing something to the effect of, "We are not at war in Iraq. We have never been at war in Iraq. We are at war with Russia. We have always been at war with Russia."
pissed off patricia @ 52:
Would we know it was false if almost all media sources were telling us that the polls were virtually tied going into the election? No. And that brings the point that the election could be manipulated by Diebold again. Or fixed through a swing state or two. The election cannot be rigged unless it's close. It would be too obvious otherwise. And I don't understand why they would WANT to fix the election. The last presidential race was between two Yale Bonesmen, and this one is between two CFR members. There is no difference, so why rig the elections?
pissed off patricia @ 38:
Vincent Bugliosi
Wrote a book titled: The prosecution of George W. Bush for murder.
makes his case. Half way through it right now.
Karen...and most of Amurika would believe it. Hahahaha!
Whow! This has been a big day for W and his old POW sidekick. These two are really screwing things up on the international front and the Sidekick isn't even in office yet.
Let's see, Putin is claiming that the U.S. was directly involved in starting the Georgia conflict for campaign political reasons to benefit McSidekick (dah) and now we are threatening the Brits to cover up war crimes.
Just a thought to ponder: If China attacked us now, and came from the West and Russia came from the North and all of our troops are in the Middle East, do you think any body on this planet will really care?
The Brits need to tell the state department to piss off. . . their war crimes are going to be revealed either now or after the fascist are voted out of office! Condi and the Bush Whackers are all international war criminals and they hopefully will be tried in the world court for their crimes against humanity and their illegal invasion of Iraq.
Just because you get rid of a dictator does not justify being a war criminal! This is one American that hopes Justice wins out over the NeoCon Hubris to the world! IMHO the Neo Cons have killed more Americans than the terrorist have.
We need an international war crimes tribunal for Bushco and all the thugs who run GITMO and Bush's various black prisons. They need, under international authority, to be put away for the rest of their natural lives.
If these monsters aren't brought to justice, there will be hope of beginning a process that removes the stain of barbarity from this nation. Bush, Cheney and their minions are the arch-criminals of American history, and the 21st Century's most criminal and evil figures.
pissed off patricia @ 53:
That's exactly right. The fraud has to be less than completely transparent.
This is partly why Gone InSane is inching in on Obama in the polls. Polls that indicate or elicit such an effect will be amplified in the media in order to prep people to believe that InSane really won. But they can't show an outrageous about face in public opinion. The people suddenly can't prefer InSane 3 to 1.
Ultimately, if we can win each of Kerry's states with 55% of the actual vote, and pull off a substantial victory in one or two more, we'll still win this.
So what is the US afraid of, the truth of torture coming out?
Ajaz @ 64:
The administration isn't afraid of that. They're unrepentant. They'd just rather not have to deal with it. Sometimes propaganda is tiring.
pissed off patricia @ 52:
Not a problem. I think Latvia and Moldavia still have our backs.
Oh my, they're threatening not to cooperate with British intelligence! British intelligence is the productive and effective partner, and the Bush administration intelligence is the weak sister.
Yellow Elephant Safari @ 66:
And Fenwick.
pissed off patricia @ 52:
Bush will give them the Putin treatment...harsh language.
Unless you believe that the Presidential loon is capable of starting a nuclear war.
There is no end to the criminality of this administration. Unfortunately, there also is no interest or accountability.
They CLAIM that over 62 million people voted for W in 2004. The only way Americans could be THAT stupid is if we were trained to be that stupid, or if the elections are fixed. Either way, we deserve our fate. A nation of morons led by the criminally insane. What do you expect? In any regard, there has been NO independent audit of Diebold voting machine results in ANY state where they operate.
Liberal AND Proud @ 69:
We may already be on the brink of nuclear war. Russia today declared that aid to Georgia
constitutes a declaration of war.
lmab @ 70:
They were rewarded for their unprecedented crimes with....another term. Hahahaha!
lucid fiction @ 72:
Good. This whole series of events is stagged. They're going to do something about the human problem alright. The best way to do it is start WWIII. I hope they go ahead and do it. Maybe enough of us can start over. A new beginning without the nefarious, behind closed doors, top secret criminals running this planet.
Charles @ 71:
Don't blame the victims. Blame the MSM and the elected officials responsible. We are the victims + the Iraqis and others that have suffered from the illegal actions of this administration.
I say let's have Putin and W fight a death match for Georgia. They want us to kill for them, fuck off. Go kill each other.
lucid fiction @ 72:
Well, Bush is going out with a bang isn't he.
Hey! I have an idea! Let's vote for a 72 year old Republican who's greatest asset is that he allowed himself to be captured in the war, signed confessions (but turned down release?)...there's an issue of judgement in there...maybe he liked the free cigarettes and healthcare...learned NOTHING from his experiences, holds no ideals of his own, and has already lived his own long life so what does he give a shit if his poicies lead to the rest of us and our children being incinerated.
Ron @ 75:
Yes, it's the whole system. But these people will be the ones they get to hunt us down.
Charles @ 74:
Who do you think would be running things. Not you or I.
Whatever.
With Impeachment off the table- none of this matters.
Ron @ 75:
Yes, it's the entire fabricated system. In place to attack us with misinformation from an early age. Still, these are the people they will get to hunt us down and round us up and commit atrocities against us.
Ron @ 79:
The Republicans have always been in favor of nuclear energy.
Ron @ 79:
Makes the Doomsday Seed Vault they just built might actually have some purpose.
Ajaz @ 64:
Well, as these people always say, "If you haven't done anything wrong, you don't have any reason to worry."
Impeachment is a joke. The people that run this planet are outrageous. They will spill our blood by the millions and go out for a Kobe rib-eye for dinner after.
There will be no impeachment. There will be no justice. There will only be an increase of injustice. There will be continued criminal activity against us.
I guess we should thank Mr. Mathias for proving to all of us (one more time) that this Administration truly do not care nor trust the judicial system. Mathias's behavior also leads me to believe that such heavy-handed tactics might have been used toward the US judiciary.
I truly do not envy the domestic cleanup and repair President Obama will have to do on January 2009. Even Hercules would shudder.
lucid fiction @ 83:
Seed vaults, secret prison camps, mercenary troops.
Welcome to the GOP definition of nirvana.
Liberal AND Proud @ 87:
The best solution is to fill the camps with them first.
A lot of very powerful people are getting very worried.
Who knows what madness the next few months might bring...
Could be a bumpy ride, folks.
Charles @ 74:
If I'm lucky enough to be one of the ones left to start over I hope I'm an Eloi. Those Morlocks are ugly dudes.
This cabal did whatever it took to steal the elections, twice.
Whatever it took, to start wars and occupations.
Whatever it took to make their no-bid corporations record profits.
Whatever it took to financially ruin us, yet, bailout all their monoplies.
Whatever it took to steal from the of middle class, and give it to the rich.
Whatever it took to subvert the justice system.
Whatever it took to take away our rights, and give themselves more rights.
Whatever it took to take away our privacy, while taking all they could get.
They will do whatever it takes, till the very bitter end.
They will take down this once great nation with them, as fast and as devastating as the three WTC towers, without batting an eye, while reading "My Pet Portfolio", with dumb, blank looks on their faces.
What has changed since the elections in 2000 and 2004? The machines? The maniacle faces behind the curtain? The think tanks? The lobbyists? The exact same "deranged" puppet idiot running for office, promising tax cuts to the rich while taking an afternoon stroll through their democratized spoils, with flak vest on and helicopter gunships above?
Whatever it takes actions, require whatever it takes reactions, to stop them.
Ron @ 88:
Camping? Sounds fun. When are they coming for us? Before or after football season?
Yellow Elephant Safari @ 90:
Funny you should mention that, I've been meaning to pick up a copy of Orwell's "The Time Machine" lately.
There is a crucial difference in the present case; it is already in front of a Court of Justice. I doubt very much that the Judge would welcome interference from the politicos. Never know: it could get really angry and force immediate disclosure with the proviso that any delay will result in a contempt of Court.
IIRC, judges in the UK have very broad discretion and powers when they enforce a contempt of court.
a few bad apples just blowing off some steam.
what's the big deal ?
Charles @ 92:
Hopefully, they will be the ones camping with their favorite dogs making sure that no one gets into their fenced razor wire compounds. We want to make sure that they are safe, while we are watching football.
Liberal AND Proud @ 87:
Some people enjoy sexually torturing others into submission, and some people dont.
Charles @ 92:
The que forms behind me.
Charles @ 93:
You'll have a hard time finding it...the author was H.G. Wells.
The moral question is, when they come to round us up should we try to kill as many of them as possible or should we allow ourselves to be rounded up and hope to survive whatever they have in store for us?
Alright, so it's actually two questions. Hahahaha!
McCaint Remember @ 97:
McCaint Remember @ 97:
If Bush had his way, he'd torture the whole planet. He's done a hell of job so far.
Liberal AND Proud @ 99:
Right. My bad. I've got Orwell on the brain. His works seem to be the holy book our our current regime.
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more..
Charles @ 100:
Personally , im from the rather die on my feet then live on my knees crowd. I just hope the American people wont go like sheeps and show us those half a billion guns lying around. That has to be the big unknown in their plans. Show them !
Someone needs to keep reminding MC Fucktard that according to his hero Bush .. he was never tortured. Tell MC Dummy to get off the " I was a POW " bullshit.
Speaking as a citizen of the UK, we generally stopped treating Bush as any kind of ally, let alone a trusted one, years ago.
Lasting damage to US UK relations? yeah, about 4 months.
Loonie @ 106:
Smart move...
Hope y'all can bear with us for a bit longer...cleaning up the GOP's mess might take some doin'...
The responsibility for acts enjoined or committed by the elected officials of any nation lie with its citizens.
WE ARE A NATION OF WAR CRIMIINALS!
The people of the United States should declare war to their own government.
I think the UK will give US the finger on this one, you can say a lot about the brits, but they are not governed by lawless hillbillies.
Charles @ 92:
Would be just my luck.
First time ever Missouri's going to win the championship. *sigh*
Blah blah blah.. serious and lasting damge.. blah blah blah thus the national security of the UK blah blah blah aggressive and unprecedented blah blah blah in contravention of well established principles.... etc etc and I especially liked the line "apparently" 'functioning adjudicatory process'... That was a good one... My witty retort?? Oh realllly now, no shit?? apparent ehh? Since when??? Yeaaa, winning hearts and minds, making friends and influencing people... Yep, that's the 20008 Bush administration... Doing all this and plenty more since at least 2000 or earlier.... Yea, those Bushies, they be a real boon to mankind.... or not.......JD
Col Kilgore @ 104:
"WOLVERINESSSSSSSSSSSSSS"
Charles @ 76:
Damn right go for it.
Deep down george is a pussy who would piss his pants if he EVER had to man up and face Putin in a ring with no condi to hide behind.
The US Congress has shown no curiosity about the details of the torture. The ONLY way this crap will come to light is through another governmental jurisdiction.
The US Government is on Corporate-funding Autopilot these days.
The Judiciary Committee heads are - get this - WRITING EDITORIALS about what should be done with Karl Rove - instead of acting on their legally mandated responsibilities.
If the UK finds its sack, then we stand a chance of dragging the Bushies' war crimes out into the open.
It's not UK vs. US, both the Bush regime and the New Labour UK Government are trying to keep this torture evidence covered up, the US intervention is very much welcomed by the UK govt. It's a lot less a nationalist dynamic but one of ruling classes colluding to torture people, without Mohamed's lawyers dedication we wouldn't even be at this stage, both administrations are actively covering up evidence of torture.
Orangutan. @ 32:
we have become the nazis! and thiers no reason to believe that will change no matter who takes the presidency! thier will be no justice for anyone whos been murdered in iraq or afganistan, if we take the whitehouse and obama widens the war in afganistan the democrats will be the nazis, its time to end this madness and end the bush wars , bush and his gang should be tried for murder and recieve the needle as any murder gets!
Kald @ 111:
Well said!
To make it short: on direct orders of The White Bunker.
If you were the UK.. knowing that these clowns are going to be tossed out on their behinds in a few short months... would these lame threats really concern you?
I thought it was der Chimptratrophy bunker...JD
Arrrgh.. Chimptastrophy.....ARRRGH..... oh well, you know what I mean....JD
Bullies. Criminals. WAR CRIMINALS.
Let's retire them to the International Court at the Hague. In chains.
constituent @ 2:
as if the sodomizing (and videoing for what ? WH viewing and pleasure !!!) of ten year old boys at Abu Ghraib by (redacted nationality in one released prisoner affidavit) guards wasnt bad enough.
A person in court cant plead the 5th (or refuse to answer questions) in the UK, its seen as a defacto admission of guilt in court.
At least by the common criminal, but as in IKOIYAR, government officials live and work in a immunity bubble.
Leadership @ 7:
for the encore !
Embittered & Anti-Republicrat - Max-Hussein-1 @ 4:
If one of the top UK bio-defence scientists and UN WMD hunter, happened to slash his wrist in the woods...
Karen @ 56:
Theres a big difference fighting civilian insurgents with rusty AK47s and homemade IEDs, and sending the NG and the reservists off to fight Russia...
Yes I can see them all jumping for joy and signing up for another five year tour.
Attn: George W Bush and your cronies (fellow war criminals) -- As is said "What goes around, comes around". You've got to have the highest level of bad karma since the Nuremburg trial days.
OK, but may I point out a slight problem with Americas reasoning. How many persons who are wanted in connection with terrorism charges live in the US. Apparently quite a few. How many have been extradited to the UK to face those charges which include murder and arms trafficing, well none...Insert your own comment here.
If torturing is how we "aid" our most trusted ally, then the UK ought to want it stopped. If interfering in its domestic court processes is how the US "aids" the UK, it ought to want that aid stopped. If sending an FU, strong letter to follow, from a US government lawyer, rather than an official statement by a politician in the chain of command, with responsibility for the policy at issue, is how the US hides liability while attempting to communicate with its most cooperative ally, then the UK ought to want it stopped.
This has nothing to do with "intelligence" gathering, nothing to do with sources and methods, nothing to do with US or UK national security. It is about covering up US crimes and keeping Bush, Cheney and their minions out of the dock and out of jail. That's something that the full weight and power of the US government will shortly stop trying to prevent. Expect the High Court to respond with a refined, red-silk version of the familiar Churchillian V-for-victory sign, only reversed.
pinkobait @ 12:
Ha ha... only you can't circumcise somebody twice.
CC @ 8...
You guys have been the bad guys for a long, long time, all the time thinking how wonderful you were, as you... you know... special. Trouble is, Hollywood made all those movies, showing how the US saved the Universe, and America believed its own PR. You really thought you were ALL John Wayne. The UK was never your ally, just your sidekick, sheltering behind your money and therefore power.
The sad thing is, we all kinda LIKED the US, when it wore a white hat.
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