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Alaska AG: State employees won't honor subpoenas

JUNEAU, Alaska - Alaska's investigation into whether Gov. Sarah Palin abused her power, a potentially damaging distraction for John McCain's presidential campaign, ran into intensified resistance Tuesday when the attorney general said state employees would refuse to honor subpoenas in the case.

In a letter to state Sen. Hollis French, the Democrat overseeing the investigation, Republican Attorney General Talis Colberg asked that the subpoenas be withdrawn. He also said the employees would refuse to appear unless either the full state Senate or the entire Legislature votes to compel their testimony.

bullfrog's picture

awaiting moderation.

what do former minnesota governor jesse ventura, acclaimed american filmmaker david lynch, and former “star wars” defense program director robert bowman all have in common?

Don Davis's picture

More Trouble for McCain: Claims He Invented the Wheel

bullfrog's picture

orangutan, care to answer that one, since i just got censored?

Tequila's picture

Pelosi won't give in to drilling without a fight. [Or will she?] Petraeus cuts an runs. The government bails out AIG for $85 billion, but can't find it in its heart to give us free health care. It's unanimous with former secretaries of state: we should talk with Iran. Some idiots think they have a right to discriminate
against a deaf student.

Nick's picture

Our turn to rob the American public ... again. What's 85 billion?

Tequila's picture

More useful scientific research trashed by McCain.

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MountainMan:

Palin’s Favorability Ratings Begin to Falter

Pro-Tip: She never had favorability ratings in the first place! She was just a ratings boost for the RNC, and that's it.

Lisa D's picture

If Palin and her church pals are too successful in praying the gay away, who will do her hair? Who will decorate McCain's seven houses?

Filthy Harry's picture

McCain's actual message, one beloved by the American electorate and put into words by George Carlin "I'm completely full of shit and how'da'ya like that!"

Turns out a majority of Americans appear to like that just fine!

ChenZhen's picture

I'm looking all over for the Hannity/Palin interview. That was supposed to of aired tonight, right?

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ChenZhen @ 12:

I'm looking all over for the Hannity/Palin interview. That was supposed to of aired tonight, right?

Hannity-Palin interview postponed.

The Sarah Palin interview with Sean Hannity has been postponed and will now be held tomorrow. The Interview is said to be postponed because of damage suffered in Cincinnati via Hurricane Ike.

bullfrog's picture

do you all really believe anything will change until you call these guys out on 9/11?

it's america's dirty little secret; except the rest of the world's already figured out that riddle.

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ChenZhen's picture

thanks mountainman

bullfrog's picture

general hayden, director negroponte... S.O.S.

let's get on w/ this, there's an army of liberal info warriors ready to step up on behalf of america, who despise the chinese gov't and think vlad putin's a total piece of $#!+...

BUT NO MORE AMERICAN NEOCONS STEERING THE VESSEL INTO AN ICEBERG!

k1ngothwld's picture

Now is the time for Obama to come out with a "New Deal" type of plan. Elevate himself from these b.s. lies and the framework owned by McCain. Obama needs to solidify his claim as the generational leader that will turn this country around. Those progressive think tanks need to come up with a catchy two or three word phrase for a 10 point plan for getting America back on track... Any suggestions?

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bullfrog @ 14:

do you all really believe anything will change until you call these guys out on 9/11?

it's america's dirty little secret; except the rest of the world's already figured out that riddle.

For the moment forget the issue of "who did it" ..

The Bush administration isn't even held responsible for negligence in letting it happen.

And I'm not talking about "letting it happen accidentally on purpose."

I mean "being negligent in protecting the nation." They are surely guilty of that at the very least, but they get a pass.

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Senator McCain, when you recount, yet again, your history as a prisonor of war, the nation is reminded, yet again, that it owes you a debt of gratitude for your personal sacrifice. But while we owe you our gratitude, we do not owe you the Presidency. This nation may honor your service of forty years ago, and still recognize your failure of vision today. In this campaign, by your deliberate lies, you have dishonored yourself in front of every man and woman and especially, in front of every child of this nation. We honor the man that you were forty years ago but you have changed and we cannot honor the man you have become. This is truly tragic, for, through your own words and deeds, you have brought this disgrace upon yourself.

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rip george putnam

the original ted baxter

the original real wingnut

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NidUG88wY4o

btw, the above film was funded by mccains old buddy....keating

i think it is dirtier than anything that came out in 65

Ron's picture

A comic strip about real life happenings. If they could history books in comic book form, Our children might actually become educated.

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k1ngothwld @ 18:

Now is the time for Obama to come out with a "New Deal" type of plan. Elevate himself from these b.s. lies and the framework owned by McCain. Obama needs to solidify his claim as the generational leader that will turn this country around. Those progressive think tanks need to come up with a catchy two or three word phrase for a 10 point plan for getting America back on track... Any suggestions?

dont cry !its only thunder!

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tyree @ 23:

k1ngothwld @ 18:

Now is the time for Obama to come out with a "New Deal" type of plan. Elevate himself from these b.s. lies and the framework owned by McCain. Obama needs to solidify his claim as the generational leader that will turn this country around. Those progressive think tanks need to come up with a catchy two or three word phrase for a 10 point plan for getting America back on track... Any suggestions?

dont cry !its only thunder!

Now is the time for Obama to come up with a "New Deal" type of plan. Elevate himself from the lies and framework owned by the McCain camp. Solidify his claim to be the generational leader that will turn this country around. Those progressive think tanks need to come up with a catchy 2 or 3 word phrase that Obama can use to describe a 10 point plan to get America back on track and respectable again - where the American Dream means something. Any Suggestions?

This isn't a plea for help... I'm not concerned at all... McCain has hit his Zenith and he's only tied with Obama... it's all downhill for McCain now... Alz I'm sayin' is that Obama can throw a game changing touchdown right now while McCain is getting pounded by the media for his lies and banks are going under.... now is the time to strike, go for the jugular, invigorate your base at the same time, and strengthen your image as the only legitimate candidate...

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McSame is a damn perpetual LIAR......typical Repug.. I now am even DOUBTING his accounting of his time as a POW. He is TOTALLY FULL OF SHIT.

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MountainMan23 @ 15:

Couric gets second Palin interview

you mean 3rd after hannity

what a joke

what will they do, trade bunt cake recipe's?

fastfeat's picture

Undercover video of pigs being abused--no kissing, no lipstick, no VP appointment:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080917/ap_on_re_us/abused_pigs

Ron's picture

uncle joe mccarthy @ 26:

MountainMan23 @ 15:

Couric gets second Palin interview

you mean 3rd after hannity

what a joke

what will they do, trade bunt cake recipe's?

Moose mince meat pie.

constituent's picture

Vote Obama/Biden'09.......Rebuild America

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MountainMan23 @ 19:

bullfrog @ 14:

do you all really believe anything will change until you call these guys out on 9/11?

it's america's dirty little secret; except the rest of the world's already figured out that riddle.

For the moment forget the issue of "who did it" ..

The Bush administration isn't even held responsible for negligence in letting it happen.

And I'm not talking about "letting it happen accidentally on purpose."

I mean "being negligent in protecting the nation." They are surely guilty of that at the very least, but they get a pass.

keeping a little "9/11" pressure on the neocons helps throw them off their game

xoites defends Constitution's picture

constituent @ 29:

Vote Obama/Biden'09.......Rebuild America

09?

I think that may be too late.

MountainMan23's picture

k1ngothwld @ 18:

Now is the time for Obama to come out with a "New Deal" type of plan. Elevate himself from these b.s. lies and the framework owned by McCain. Obama needs to solidify his claim as the generational leader that will turn this country around. Those progressive think tanks need to come up with a catchy two or three word phrase for a 10 point plan for getting America back on track... Any suggestions?

Might be a good time to listen to FDR's First Inaugural Address here or here.
Both links have text and RealPlayer Audio.

bullfrog's picture

McCAIN's a PINATA and stevie schmidt looks like sloth from "Goonies".

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bullfrog @ 2:

awaiting moderation.

what do former minnesota governor jesse ventura, acclaimed american filmmaker david lynch, and former “star wars” defense program director robert bowman all have in common?

They are absolute Patriots who aren't afraid of confronting truth or learning from history. They join a wide and growing list of Patriots who are speaking out for the country they love.

"In times of change, the patriot is a scarce man; brave, hated, and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot." - Mark Twain

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Even if you don't like CW music, you might like this one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDKRClVvFSQ

Ron's picture

xoites defends Constitution @ 31:

constituent @ 29:

Vote Obama/Biden'09.......Rebuild America

09?

I think that may be too late.

I'm back X. Ihope it's not too late. We have to start again, from the ground up, for the children. It's too late for us to get it back in our lifetime.

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MountainMan23 @ 32:

k1ngothwld @ 18:

Now is the time for Obama to come out with a "New Deal" type of plan. Elevate himself from these b.s. lies and the framework owned by McCain. Obama needs to solidify his claim as the generational leader that will turn this country around. Those progressive think tanks need to come up with a catchy two or three word phrase for a 10 point plan for getting America back on track... Any suggestions?

Might be a good time to listen to FDR's First Inaugural Address here or here.
Both links have text and RealPlayer Audio.

That's awesome.

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Ron @ 36:

xoites defends Constitution @ 31:

constituent @ 29:

Vote Obama/Biden'09.......Rebuild America

09?

I think that may be too late.

I'm back X. Ihope it's not too late. We have to start again, from the ground up, for the children. It's too late for us to get it back in our lifetime.

This generation is about to enter a depression, maybe the next generation will get it together. Maybe not.

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Carly Fiorina to "disappear" for awhile:

Another top campaign adviser was far less diplomatic.

“Carly will now disappear,” this source said. “Senator McCain was furious.” Asked to define “disappear,” this source said, adding that she would be off TV for a while – but remain at the Republican National Committee and keep her role as head of the party’s joint fundraising committee with the McCain campaign.

Fiorina was booked for several TV interviews over the next few days, including one on CNN. Those interviews have been canceled.

http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/16/carly-in-the-dog-house/

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bullfrog @ 30:

MountainMan23 @ 19:

bullfrog @ 14:

do you all really believe anything will change until you call these guys out on 9/11?

it's america's dirty little secret; except the rest of the world's already figured out that riddle.

For the moment forget the issue of "who did it" ..

The Bush administration isn't even held responsible for negligence in letting it happen.

And I'm not talking about "letting it happen accidentally on purpose."

I mean "being negligent in protecting the nation." They are surely guilty of that at the very least, but they get a pass.

keeping a little "9/11" pressure on the neocons helps throw them off their game

Olbermann has thrown it back at them, that their negligence let it happen but they have been real quick to capitalize on it. But I have yet to hear a Democratic politician go after them for it (McKinney was a Dem when she went after them, but not any more).

To me it's a no-brainer.

And again, I'm not talking about accusing them of doing it or being in any way involved other than being totally negligent.

(Tho I'm convinced the same guys who burned the ReichStag crashed planes and blew up buildings on 9-11 .. well, almost the same guys.)

constituent's picture

here's mccain the economic genius.watch this video...you can tell
this topic tightens mccain up.

http://bravenewfilms.org/blog/53467-john-mccain-a-chicken-in-every-pot

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Ron @ 28:

uncle joe mccarthy @ 26:

MountainMan23 @ 15:

Couric gets second Palin interview

you mean 3rd after hannity

what a joke

what will they do, trade bunt cake recipe's?

Moose mince meat pie.

Yeah, they need to be nice or they'll be left out like NBC because of mean ole Olbermann.

Topics not to cover per Rick Davis: Troopergate, earmarks, that fuckin bridge, meth, lipstick, Bush doctrine, rape kits, foreign policy, economy, and tanning beds.

xoites defends Constitution's picture

The American worker is not the problem...

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fastfeat @ 39:

Carly Fiorina to "disappear" for awhile:

Another top campaign adviser was far less diplomatic.

“Carly will now disappear,” this source said. “Senator McCain was furious.” Asked to define “disappear,” this source said, adding that she would be off TV for a while – but remain at the Republican National Committee and keep her role as head of the party’s joint fundraising committee with the McCain campaign.

Fiorina was booked for several TV interviews over the next few days, including one on CNN. Those interviews have been canceled.

http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/16/carly-in-the-dog-house/

Good she can hang out with those other two losers charlie black who said a conflict will help mccain and phil gramm of 'whiners' fame
and 1999 deregulation investment banks.

StirFry's picture

Doesn't anybody find it strange that McCain carries a blond mannequin around him with everywhere he goes?

BobbyG's picture

Lessee...

The GOP administration -- without asking our assent -- has just bought for us [1] Fannie Mae, [2] Freddie Mac, and [3] AIG.

But Obama is the "Socialist."

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constituent @ 44:

fastfeat @ 39:

Carly Fiorina to "disappear" for awhile:

Another top campaign adviser was far less diplomatic.

“Carly will now disappear,” this source said. “Senator McCain was furious.” Asked to define “disappear,” this source said, adding that she would be off TV for a while – but remain at the Republican National Committee and keep her role as head of the party’s joint fundraising committee with the McCain campaign.

Fiorina was booked for several TV interviews over the next few days, including one on CNN. Those interviews have been canceled.

http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/16/carly-in-the-dog-house/

Good she can hang out with those other two losers charlie black who said a conflict will help mccain and phil gramm of 'whiners' fame
and 1999 deregulation investment banks.

Phil is still there and as stupid as ever.

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k1ngothwld @ 18:

Now is the time for Obama to come out with a "New Deal" type of plan. Elevate himself from these b.s. lies and the framework owned by McCain. Obama needs to solidify his claim as the generational leader that will turn this country around. Those progressive think tanks need to come up with a catchy two or three word phrase for a 10 point plan for getting America back on track... Any suggestions?

How about : Return to Sanity ?

Ron's picture

Who's winning the debate McCain V McCain?

xoites defends Constitution's picture

BobbyG @ 46:

Lessee...

The GOP administration -- without asking our assent -- has just bought for us [1] Fannie Mae, [2] Freddie Mac, and [3] AIG.

But Obama is the "Socialist."

This country almost went Socialist during the last depression. I sure do hope it becomes Socialist during the coming one.

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StirFry @ 45:

Doesn't anybody find it strange that McCain carries a blond mannequin around him with everywhere he goes?

I do find it strange. Can't he be out alone? Does he need a babysitter? Is she afraid of another Iseman incident? I can see a candidates spouse showing up here and there but not at every freakin speech.

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Ron @ 49:

Who's winning the debate McCain V McCain?

And, are any Republicans running this time? Against this Palin-McInsane Independent Reform Party ticket?

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Tequila @ 5:

Pelosi won't give in to drilling without a fight. [Or will she?] Petraeus cuts an runs. The government bails out AIG for $85 billion, but can't find it in its heart to give us free health care. It's unanimous with former secretaries of state: we should talk with Iran. Some idiots think they have a right to discriminate
against a deaf student.

Look for Petraeus to appear at a McCain rally near you soon.

What the hell's with Colin Powell. He says he's still undecided...because he can't decide which candidate is in the country's best interest? I have a question for you, General. How'd that Republican administration work out for YOU?

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Filthy Harry @ 11:

McCain's actual message, one beloved by the American electorate and put into words by George Carlin "I'm completely full of shit and how'da'ya like that!"

Turns out a majority of Americans appear to like that just fine!

Yep! And the fact that he wants to end employer health insurance, when the vast majority of American's are worried about health insurance as an issue, is unequivocal proof that the retards and complete morons outnumber us. This is one fucked-up country!

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StirFry @ 42:

Ron @ 28:

uncle joe mccarthy @ 26:

MountainMan23 @ 15:

you mean 3rd after hannity

what a joke

what will they do, trade bunt cake recipe's?

Moose mince meat pie.

Yeah, they need to be nice or they'll be left out like NBC because of mean ole Olbermann.

Topics not to cover per Rick Davis: Troopergate, earmarks, that fuckin bridge, meth, lipstick, Bush doctrine, rape kits, foreign policy, economy, and tanning beds.

Good to see that her best Jeopardy categories--"Snow-covered land masses," "Dominionism," and "Home cretin-ranching" are still on the board...

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StirFry @ 45:

Doesn't anybody find it strange that McCain carries a blond mannequin around him with everywhere he goes?

The same one he had in Vietnam?

RobertD's picture

k1ngothwld @ 18:

Now is the time for Obama to come out with a "New Deal" type of plan. Elevate himself from these b.s. lies and the framework owned by McCain. Obama needs to solidify his claim as the generational leader that will turn this country around. Those progressive think tanks need to come up with a catchy two or three word phrase for a 10 point plan for getting America back on track... Any suggestions?

How about..."All you can eat surf n turf"?

constituent's picture

Gramm orchestrated the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act in 1999 which “destroyed the Depression-era barrier to the merger of stockbrokers, banks and insurance companies.” He also pushed the Commodity Futures Modernization Act in 2000, which made legal “the mortgage swaps distancing the originator of the loan from the ultimate collector.” The Nation writes that “those two acts effectively ended significant regulation of the financial community.”

NO i'm not saying Gramm is totally responsible but he was a big player.

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Janet @ 51:

StirFry @ 45:

Doesn't anybody find it strange that McCain carries a blond mannequin around him with everywhere he goes?

I do find it strange. Can't he be out alone? Does he need a babysitter? Is she afraid of another Iseman incident? I can see a candidates spouse showing up here and there but not at every freakin speech.

I noticed on the McCain Channel (CNN) with no volume at the gym: McCain/Mannequin, Palin, McCain/Mannequin, 1/2 sec of Obama, Palin, McCain and no mannequin, Palin, 1/128 sec of Biden, McCain/Mannequin. etc

fastfeat's picture

RobertD @ 53:

What the hell's with Colin Powell. He says he's still undecided...because he can't decide which candidate is in the country's best interest? I have a question for you, General. How'd that Republican administration work out for YOU?

I wonder if someone is threatening his pension/benefits...

constituent's picture

mit romney...the republicans aren't running to be president John Mccain is. maybe barack needs to identify his opponent as a
republican=bush....

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fastfeat @ 60:

RobertD @ 53:

What the hell's with Colin Powell. He says he's still undecided...because he can't decide which candidate is in the country's best interest? I have a question for you, General. How'd that Republican administration work out for YOU?

I wonder if someone is threatening his pension/benefits...

Someone thinks he has or ever had any integrity?

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Janet @ 51:

StirFry @ 45:

Doesn't anybody find it strange that McCain carries a blond mannequin around him with everywhere he goes?

I do find it strange. Can't he be out alone? Does he need a babysitter? Is she afraid of another Iseman incident? I can see a candidates spouse showing up here and there but not at every freakin speech.

I believe she operates the controls.

xoites defends Constitution's picture

Peter G @ 63:

Janet @ 51:

StirFry @ 45:

Doesn't anybody find it strange that McCain carries a blond mannequin around him with everywhere he goes?

I do find it strange. Can't he be out alone? Does he need a babysitter? Is she afraid of another Iseman incident? I can see a candidates spouse showing up here and there but not at every freakin speech.

I believe she operates the controls.

Well she really sucks at that grin thing.

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Peter G @ 63:

Janet @ 51:

StirFry @ 45:

Doesn't anybody find it strange that McCain carries a blond mannequin around him with everywhere he goes?

I do find it strange. Can't he be out alone? Does he need a babysitter? Is she afraid of another Iseman incident? I can see a candidates spouse showing up here and there but not at every freakin speech.

I believe she operates the controls.

Who else will change his Depends.

xoites defends Constitution's picture

Ron @ 65:

Peter G @ 63:

Janet @ 51:

StirFry @ 45:

I do find it strange. Can't he be out alone? Does he need a babysitter? Is she afraid of another Iseman incident? I can see a candidates spouse showing up here and there but not at every freakin speech.

I believe she operates the controls.

Who else will change his Depends.

Hannity?

Ron's picture

fastfeat @ 60:

RobertD @ 53:

What the hell's with Colin Powell. He says he's still undecided...because he can't decide which candidate is in the country's best interest? I have a question for you, General. How'd that Republican administration work out for YOU?

I wonder if someone is threatening his pension/benefits...

Yeah, they told him his pension benefits die with him.

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xoites defends Constitution @ 64:

Peter G @ 63:

Janet @ 51:

StirFry @ 45:

I do find it strange. Can't he be out alone? Does he need a babysitter? Is she afraid of another Iseman incident? I can see a candidates spouse showing up here and there but not at every freakin speech.

I believe she operates the controls.

Well she really sucks at that grin thing.

Perhaps she doesn't know that beauty pageant trick Palin uses of smearing your gums with Vaseline to give you a hair trigger smile. Cindy's seems a little frosty doesn't it?

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BobbyG @ 52:

Ron @ 49:

Who's winning the debate McCain V McCain?

And, are any Republicans running this time? Against this Palin-McInsane Independent Reform Party ticket?

I'm still wondering how long it will take true Republicans--like Powell, Hagel, Lincoln Chafee--to line up behind Obama and say, "Look, in this situation, this guy's got the goods." They have to see that McCain's got plenty of nothin' on this issue. He went on Matt Lauer this morning, apparently, saying that he continues to oppose additional regulation for the financial system.

This one is Obama's to win or lose. He's got the "crack economic team." I agree with the post earlier--time to roll out a "10-point plan" that makes common sense connections with Joe-average Ohio voters.

And he needs to do it yesterday. Not wait for the damn debates.

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Orangutan. @ 37:

MountainMan23 @ 32:

k1ngothwld @ 18:

Now is the time for Obama to come out with a "New Deal" type of plan. Elevate himself from these b.s. lies and the framework owned by McCain. Obama needs to solidify his claim as the generational leader that will turn this country around. Those progressive think tanks need to come up with a catchy two or three word phrase for a 10 point plan for getting America back on track... Any suggestions?

Might be a good time to listen to FDR's First Inaugural Address here or here.
Both links have text and RealPlayer Audio.

That's awesome.

Agreed.

And props to Thom Hartmann for frequently giving FDR the airtime that he does.

Listening to FDR makes me feel like I used to when leaving a Dead concert...

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xoites defends Constitution @ 62:

fastfeat @ 60:

RobertD @ 53:

What the hell's with Colin Powell. He says he's still undecided...because he can't decide which candidate is in the country's best interest? I have a question for you, General. How'd that Republican administration work out for YOU?

I wonder if someone is threatening his pension/benefits...

Someone thinks he has or ever had any integrity?

His mother?

xoites defends Constitution's picture

RobertD @ 69:

BobbyG @ 52:

Ron @ 49:

Who's winning the debate McCain V McCain?

And, are any Republicans running this time? Against this Palin-McInsane Independent Reform Party ticket?

I'm still wondering how long it will take true Republicans--like Powell, Hagel, Lincoln Chafee--to line up behind Obama and say, "Look, in this situation, this guy's got the goods." They have to see that McCain's got plenty of nothin' on this issue. He went on Matt Lauer this morning, apparently, saying that he continues to oppose additional regulation for the financial system.

This one is Obama's to win or lose. He's got the "crack economic team." I agree with the post earlier--time to roll out a "10-point plan" that makes common sense connections with Joe-average Ohio voters.

And he needs to do it yesterday. Not wait for the damn debates.

I have to say this about the "Palin bump:" it will be long gone in a month. It may have been the smartest thing in the world for Obama and Bidden to sit back for a week or so and do nothing and wait to strike. With the memory span Americans have shooting your wad early is usually a bad idea.

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xoites defends Constitution @ 66:

Ron @ 65:

Peter G @ 63:

Janet @ 51:
I believe she operates the controls.

Who else will change his Depends.

Hannity?

It's funny no one has thought to ask McCain what he means when he yells out "change".

xoites defends Constitution's picture

Peter G @ 73:

xoites defends Constitution @ 66:

Ron @ 65:

Peter G @ 63:
Who else will change his Depends.

Hannity?

It's funny no one has thought to ask McCain what he means when he yells out "change".

LOL! :)

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xoites defends Constitution @ 62:

fastfeat @ 60:

RobertD @ 53:

What the hell's with Colin Powell. He says he's still undecided...because he can't decide which candidate is in the country's best interest? I have a question for you, General. How'd that Republican administration work out for YOU?

I wonder if someone is threatening his pension/benefits...

Someone thinks he has or ever had any integrity?

The conflicted military voter?

StirFry's picture

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The Maddow Show was awesome tonight. Here are some highlights:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfKPB-AbNts - Maddow & Sirota on McCain's Flip Flop on Regulation
This one makes it clear on how ridiculous McCain's sudden call for regulation is. And the Keating 5 is mentioned!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drKBhaaqGyw - Bill Maher on the Rachel Maddow Show: Palin is not ready
Maher talks about what constituent @ 58 mentioned about Phil Grahams role. And of course Maher shits all over Palin.
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xoites defends Constitution @ 62:

fastfeat @ 60:

RobertD @ 53:

What the hell's with Colin Powell. He says he's still undecided...because he can't decide which candidate is in the country's best interest? I have a question for you, General. How'd that Republican administration work out for YOU?

I wonder if someone is threatening his pension/benefits...

Someone thinks he has or ever had any integrity?

At one point, I believed he was honest. I didn't agree with him on everything, but back in '98 or '99, when there was talk he might run for president, I was willing to give him a look. I'm not a hawk, but I have a lot of military folks in my family, and I understand why they think the way they do.

He shot his own credibility in Bush's cabinet, though, when he refused to resign over the war and then went on to hawk for it at the UN. He knew it was wrong, and he knew it would hurt the military.

I'm willing to believe he knows what the right thing is now. To me, he's an example of a Republican who may not be "of the GOP." He can see what the GOP is doing not only to the country, but specifically to the military to which he devoted his career. He could step up and do the right thing right now. If he's on the fence--and this article indicates he is--he could still prove me right.

I believe in redemption.

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fastfeat @ 75:

xoites defends Constitution @ 62:

fastfeat @ 60:

RobertD @ 53:

I wonder if someone is threatening his pension/benefits...

Someone thinks he has or ever had any integrity?

The conflicted military voter?

I seriously doubt too many members of the military are very conflicted at this point. In a conflict? Yes. Conflicted? No.

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StirFry @ 76:

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The Maddow Show was awesome tonight. Here are some highlights:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfKPB-AbNts - Maddow & Sirota on McCain's Flip Flop on Regulation
This one makes it clear on how ridiculous McCain's sudden call for regulation is. And the Keating 5 is mentioned!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drKBhaaqGyw - Bill Maher on the Rachel Maddow Show: Palin is not ready
Maher talks about what constituent @ 58 mentioned about Phil Grahams role. And of course Maher shits all over Palin.
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I watched that and it was actually the first one i got to see. It was very good.

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RobertD @ 77:

xoites defends Constitution @ 62:

fastfeat @ 60:

RobertD @ 53:

I wonder if someone is threatening his pension/benefits...

Someone thinks he has or ever had any integrity?

At one point, I believed he was honest. I didn't agree with him on everything, but back in '98 or '99, when there was talk he might run for president, I was willing to give him a look. I'm not a hawk, but I have a lot of military folks in my family, and I understand why they think the way they do.

He shot his own credibility in Bush's cabinet, though, when he refused to resign over the war and then went on to hawk for it at the UN. He knew it was wrong, and he knew it would hurt the military.

I'm willing to believe he knows what the right thing is now. To me, he's an example of a Republican who may not be "of the GOP." He can see what the GOP is doing not only to the country, but specifically to the military to which he devoted his career. He could step up and do the right thing right now. If he's on the fence--and this article indicates he is--he could still prove me right.

I believe in redemption.

In the unlikely event that what you believe is true where do you think he will draw his cabinet and administration appointees from? Space? Or is he going to do it solo. The Republicans are backing McCain not because they believe he will reform anything but to retain their hold on power. The US isn't bankrupt yet and they still have pockets to fill. One more term ought to about do it.

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The efficiency of the McCain campaign is stunning. I received a call this morning urging me to register and vote McCain /Palin in Pennsylvania. That would not be strange except they called me at home in Northern California !! Vote early and often if they can supply that private jet

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I'm struck by how amazingly the McCain/Palin ads resemble a movie trailer. Anyone else notice this?

I mean, sure, political ads have become more stylish and sensationalistic over the last few years, but come on. You expect to see Palin dodge bullets in slow motion and McCain spout a cyborg rocket-launcher out of his chin. It probably appeals to the WWE/NASCAR Republicans, but it's got to annoy the hell everyone else.

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xoites defends Constitution @ 72:

RobertD @ 69:

BobbyG @ 52:

Ron @ 49:
And, are any Republicans running this time? Against this Palin-McInsane Independent Reform Party ticket?

I'm still wondering how long it will take true Republicans--like Powell, Hagel, Lincoln Chafee--to line up behind Obama and say, "Look, in this situation, this guy's got the goods." They have to see that McCain's got plenty of nothin' on this issue. He went on Matt Lauer this morning, apparently, saying that he continues to oppose additional regulation for the financial system.

This one is Obama's to win or lose. He's got the "crack economic team." I agree with the post earlier--time to roll out a "10-point plan" that makes common sense connections with Joe-average Ohio voters.

And he needs to do it yesterday. Not wait for the damn debates.

I have to say this about the "Palin bump:" it will be long gone in a month. It may have been the smartest thing in the world for Obama and Bidden to sit back for a week or so and do nothing and wait to strike. With the memory span Americans have shooting your wad early is usually a bad idea.

I thought early and often.

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Ron @ 65:

Peter G @ 63:

Janet @ 51:

StirFry @ 45:

I do find it strange. Can't he be out alone? Does he need a babysitter? Is she afraid of another Iseman incident? I can see a candidates spouse showing up here and there but not at every freakin speech.

I believe she operates the controls.

Who else will change his Depends.

Oh man, she'll hire that job out in a heartbeat.

constituent's picture

this is the 40 second video ...mccain..'i know a lot more about the
military then economics'...yeah we know...bomb bomb singing with
shxt eating grin....if i was obama i would put this in ads. i'm tired
of mccains shxt.that lie about the sex education eas a low blow.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OunCv-7qvA

Ron's picture

RobertD @ 84:

Ron @ 65:

Peter G @ 63:

Janet @ 51:
I believe she operates the controls.

Who else will change his Depends.

Oh man, she'll hire that job out in a heartbeat.

That kind of mess, it will be hard to find anyone to do it at any price.

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RobertD @ 77:

xoites defends Constitution @ 62:

fastfeat @ 60:

RobertD @ 53:

I wonder if someone is threatening his pension/benefits...

Someone thinks he has or ever had any integrity?

At one point, I believed he was honest. I didn't agree with him on everything, but back in '98 or '99, when there was talk he might run for president, I was willing to give him a look. I'm not a hawk, but I have a lot of military folks in my family, and I understand why they think the way they do.

He shot his own credibility in Bush's cabinet, though, when he refused to resign over the war and then went on to hawk for it at the UN. He knew it was wrong, and he knew it would hurt the military.

I'm willing to believe he knows what the right thing is now. To me, he's an example of a Republican who may not be "of the GOP." He can see what the GOP is doing not only to the country, but specifically to the military to which he devoted his career. He could step up and do the right thing right now. If he's on the fence--and this article indicates he is--he could still prove me right.

I believe in redemption.

I firmly believe that he decided not to run for president because someone promised him a cabinet position in the next Republican administration if he didn't.

I also think he became a General due to his helping cover up the Mi Lai massacre and denying it went any further in Vietnam when it was a widespread practice to kill civilians suspected of cooperating with the Viet Cong.

Trittydi's picture

The sense of entitlement at work here is mind-boggling.

"My turn"? That's what Bob Dole said. And they call the American people a "Bunch of Whiners." They're the biggest bunch of f**king whiners you could encounter anywhere.

What is it with these dying white male repuke-lics?

Repuglics -- the party of immature, rapacious, despotic, doughy white, cowardly, angry, bigots, racists, perverts, pedophiles, murderers, war criminals, homophobes, misogynists, stupid women and liars.
*

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RobertD @ 77:

xoites defends Constitution @ 62:

fastfeat @ 60:

RobertD @ 53:

I wonder if someone is threatening his pension/benefits...

Someone thinks he has or ever had any integrity?

At one point, I believed he was honest. I didn't agree with him on everything, but back in '98 or '99, when there was talk he might run for president, I was willing to give him a look. I'm not a hawk, but I have a lot of military folks in my family, and I understand why they think the way they do.

He shot his own credibility in Bush's cabinet, though, when he refused to resign over the war and then went on to hawk for it at the UN. He knew it was wrong, and he knew it would hurt the military.

I'm willing to believe he knows what the right thing is now. To me, he's an example of a Republican who may not be "of the GOP." He can see what the GOP is doing not only to the country, but specifically to the military to which he devoted his career. He could step up and do the right thing right now. If he's on the fence--and this article indicates he is--he could still prove me right.

I believe in redemption.

Redemption implies a saviour. Do you really loath yourself that much?

Peter G's picture

Ron @ 86:

RobertD @ 84:

Ron @ 65:

Peter G @ 63:
Who else will change his Depends.

Oh man, she'll hire that job out in a heartbeat.

That kind of mess, it will be hard to find anyone to do it at any price.

Oh I don't know. Among the wingnuts like Hannity the used ones are considered a collectible. I believe he displays some on his mantlepiece.

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Peter G @ 80:

RobertD @ 77:

xoites defends Constitution @ 62:

fastfeat @ 60:

Someone thinks he has or ever had any integrity?

At one point, I believed he was honest. I didn't agree with him on everything, but back in '98 or '99, when there was talk he might run for president, I was willing to give him a look. I'm not a hawk, but I have a lot of military folks in my family, and I understand why they think the way they do.

He shot his own credibility in Bush's cabinet, though, when he refused to resign over the war and then went on to hawk for it at the UN. He knew it was wrong, and he knew it would hurt the military.

I'm willing to believe he knows what the right thing is now. To me, he's an example of a Republican who may not be "of the GOP." He can see what the GOP is doing not only to the country, but specifically to the military to which he devoted his career. He could step up and do the right thing right now. If he's on the fence--and this article indicates he is--he could still prove me right.

I believe in redemption.

In the unlikely event that what you believe is true where do you think he will draw his cabinet and administration appointees from? Space? Or is he going to do it solo. The Republicans are backing McCain not because they believe he will reform anything but to retain their hold on power. The US isn't bankrupt yet and they still have pockets to fill. One more term ought to about do it.

Agreed, but Powell won't be in a McCain cabinet. He's persona non grata to Republicans now that they've used him up. He might decide to sit it out and do nothing...but I have the feeling he's not as heartless and blind as the typical, card-carrying GOPer. Unlike a lot of Republicans, the possibility of him doing the right thing at least exists.

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Trittydi @ 88:

The sense of entitlement at work here is mind-boggling.

"My turn"? That's what Bob Dole said. And they call the American people a "Bunch of Whiners." They're the biggest bunch of f**king whiners you could encounter anywhere.

What is it with these dying white male repuke-lics?

Repuglics -- the party of immature, rapacious, despotic, doughy white, cowardly, angry, bigots, racists, perverts, pedophiles, murderers, war criminals, homophobes, misogynists, stupid women and liars.
*

Damn, I can't think of anything to add.

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Trittydi @ 88:

The sense of entitlement at work here is mind-boggling.

"My turn"? That's what Bob Dole said. And they call the American people a "Bunch of Whiners." They're the biggest bunch of f**king whiners you could encounter anywhere.

What is it with these dying white male repuke-lics?

Repuglics -- the party of immature, rapacious, despotic, doughy white, cowardly, angry, bigots, racists, perverts, pedophiles, murderers, war criminals, homophobes, misogynists, stupid women and liars.
*

Yo*r "*" and "*" b*ttons are obvio*sly broken. Yo* sho*ld seek the help of a professional *omp*ter hardware spe*ialist.

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RobertD @ 91:

Peter G @ 80:

RobertD @ 77:

xoites defends Constitution @ 62:

At one point, I believed he was honest. I didn't agree with him on everything, but back in '98 or '99, when there was talk he might run for president, I was willing to give him a look. I'm not a hawk, but I have a lot of military folks in my family, and I understand why they think the way they do.

He shot his own credibility in Bush's cabinet, though, when he refused to resign over the war and then went on to hawk for it at the UN. He knew it was wrong, and he knew it would hurt the military.

I'm willing to believe he knows what the right thing is now. To me, he's an example of a Republican who may not be "of the GOP." He can see what the GOP is doing not only to the country, but specifically to the military to which he devoted his career. He could step up and do the right thing right now. If he's on the fence--and this article indicates he is--he could still prove me right.

I believe in redemption.

In the unlikely event that what you believe is true where do you think he will draw his cabinet and administration appointees from? Space? Or is he going to do it solo. The Republicans are backing McCain not because they believe he will reform anything but to retain their hold on power. The US isn't bankrupt yet and they still have pockets to fill. One more term ought to about do it.

Agreed, but Powell won't be in a McCain cabinet. He's persona non grata to Republicans now that they've used him up. He might decide to sit it out and do nothing...but I have the feeling he's not as heartless and blind as the typical, card-carrying GOPer. Unlike a lot of Republicans, the possibility of him doing the right thing at least exists.

I happen to agree with that assessment of Powell. He was a well of integrity for the Bush administration. They sucked him dry. I was unaware of the connection x cites in relation to My Lai. This will require a reassessment. He was, in fact, recruited by both parties but elected to go with the Republicans. Bad career move.

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xoites defends Constitution @ 87:

RobertD @ 77:

xoites defends Constitution @ 62:

fastfeat @ 60:

Someone thinks he has or ever had any integrity?

At one point, I believed he was honest. I didn't agree with him on everything, but back in '98 or '99, when there was talk he might run for president, I was willing to give him a look. I'm not a hawk, but I have a lot of military folks in my family, and I understand why they think the way they do.

He shot his own credibility in Bush's cabinet, though, when he refused to resign over the war and then went on to hawk for it at the UN. He knew it was wrong, and he knew it would hurt the military.

I'm willing to believe he knows what the right thing is now. To me, he's an example of a Republican who may not be "of the GOP." He can see what the GOP is doing not only to the country, but specifically to the military to which he devoted his career. He could step up and do the right thing right now. If he's on the fence--and this article indicates he is--he could still prove me right.

I believe in redemption.

I firmly believe that he decided not to run for president because someone promised him a cabinet position in the next Republican administration if he didn't.

I also think he became a General due to his helping cover up the Mi Lai massacre and denying it went any further in Vietnam when it was a widespread practice to kill civilians suspected of cooperating with the Viet Cong.

All very possible. Regarding how and why he rose to general, I don't know much about it, so I'll defer to you. As for not running for president, I think there were numerous factors. What you mentioned certainly seems plausible. His life was threatened, I've read, and he was also treated with hostility by people high up in the GOP (as well as hard-core right-wing activists) who thought him "too liberal" and too much of a wild card on social issues.

The other thing that I vividly recall, though, is that his wife has suffered from severe depression. Some knucklehead on pundit teevee back at the time he was considering a run pointed out that the GOP would declare open season on her medical history. It was shortly thereafter that he decided, "Fuck it." I can't say I disagree with him. I wouldn't put my family through it, either.

RobertD's picture

Neo-classical secular humanist @ 89:

RobertD @ 77:

xoites defends Constitution @ 62:

fastfeat @ 60:

Someone thinks he has or ever had any integrity?

At one point, I believed he was honest. I didn't agree with him on everything, but back in '98 or '99, when there was talk he might run for president, I was willing to give him a look. I'm not a hawk, but I have a lot of military folks in my family, and I understand why they think the way they do.

He shot his own credibility in Bush's cabinet, though, when he refused to resign over the war and then went on to hawk for it at the UN. He knew it was wrong, and he knew it would hurt the military.

I'm willing to believe he knows what the right thing is now. To me, he's an example of a Republican who may not be "of the GOP." He can see what the GOP is doing not only to the country, but specifically to the military to which he devoted his career. He could step up and do the right thing right now. If he's on the fence--and this article indicates he is--he could still prove me right.

I believe in redemption.

Redemption implies a saviour. Do you really loath yourself that much?

I consider myself a kind person who gives others the benefit of the doubt when they know they've done something wrong and want to try to make it right.

What's your excuse?

constituent's picture

one page read:NYT why experience matters.....by david brooks

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/16/opinion/16brooks.html?_r=1&scp=2&sq=da...

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Ron @ 92:

Trittydi @ 88:

The sense of entitlement at work here is mind-boggling.

"My turn"? That's what Bob Dole said. And they call the American people a "Bunch of Whiners." They're the biggest bunch of f**king whiners you could encounter anywhere.

What is it with these dying white male repuke-lics?

Repuglics -- the party of immature, rapacious, despotic, doughy white, cowardly, angry, bigots, racists, perverts, pedophiles, murderers, war criminals, homophobes, misogynists, stupid women and liars.
*

Damn, I can't think of anything to add.

Does seem comprehensive doesn't it Ron. Maybe anti-science? But that seems a little weak set against their other faults.

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RobertD @ 95:

xoites defends Constitution @ 87:

RobertD @ 77:

xoites defends Constitution @ 62:

At one point, I believed he was honest. I didn't agree with him on everything, but back in '98 or '99, when there was talk he might run for president, I was willing to give him a look. I'm not a hawk, but I have a lot of military folks in my family, and I understand why they think the way they do.

He shot his own credibility in Bush's cabinet, though, when he refused to resign over the war and then went on to hawk for it at the UN. He knew it was wrong, and he knew it would hurt the military.

I'm willing to believe he knows what the right thing is now. To me, he's an example of a Republican who may not be "of the GOP." He can see what the GOP is doing not only to the country, but specifically to the military to which he devoted his career. He could step up and do the right thing right now. If he's on the fence--and this article indicates he is--he could still prove me right.

I believe in redemption.

I firmly believe that he decided not to run for president because someone promised him a cabinet position in the next Republican administration if he didn't.

I also think he became a General due to his helping cover up the Mi Lai massacre and denying it went any further in Vietnam when it was a widespread practice to kill civilians suspected of cooperating with the Viet Cong.

All very possible. Regarding how and why he rose to general, I don't know much about it, so I'll defer to you. As for not running for president, I think there were numerous factors. What you mentioned certainly seems plausible. His life was threatened, I've read, and he was also treated with hostility by people high up in the GOP (as well as hard-core right-wing activists) who thought him "too liberal" and too much of a wild card on social issues.

The other thing that I vividly recall, though, is that his wife has suffered from severe depression. Some knucklehead on pundit teevee back at the time he was considering a run pointed out that the GOP would declare open season on her medical history. It was shortly thereafter that he decided, "Fuck it." I can't say I disagree with him. I wouldn't put my family through it, either.

Funny considering a right wing blog excused Sarah Palin's installation of a tanning bed in the State House because she was suffering from depression because of lack of sunlight.

Tequila's picture

The FDIC is going broke. Johnny thinks he can fake Palin's experience with a field-trip to the U.N.. Pigs being abused by bigger pigs.

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What I would like to see Obama's people put out is a video similar to the one I just uploaded to YouTube.

After putting it together and then watching it, I was impressed by all the things McCain knows how to do, but unfortunately hasn't done any of them - yet, nor will he, nor could he.

Tequila's picture

Will many Americans have a Y2K-style problem with their tv sets?

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RobertD @ 96:

Neo-classical secular humanist @ 89:

RobertD @ 77:

xoites defends Constitution @ 62:

At one point, I believed he was honest. I didn't agree with him on everything, but back in '98 or '99, when there was talk he might run for president, I was willing to give him a look. I'm not a hawk, but I have a lot of military folks in my family, and I understand why they think the way they do.

He shot his own credibility in Bush's cabinet, though, when he refused to resign over the war and then went on to hawk for it at the UN. He knew it was wrong, and he knew it would hurt the military.

I'm willing to believe he knows what the right thing is now. To me, he's an example of a Republican who may not be "of the GOP." He can see what the GOP is doing not only to the country, but specifically to the military to which he devoted his career. He could step up and do the right thing right now. If he's on the fence--and this article indicates he is--he could still prove me right.

I believe in redemption.

Redemption implies a saviour. Do you really loath yourself that much?

I consider myself a kind person who gives others the benefit of the doubt when they know they've done something wrong and want to try to make it right.

What's your excuse?

Although Redemption has religious roots it does not necessarily imply religious belief.

I am an Atheist, but the last thing i would do is jump on someone for their religious beliefs. It is what you do with those beliefs that really matter.

RobertD's picture

xoites defends Constitution @ 99:

RobertD @ 95:

xoites defends Constitution @ 87:

RobertD @ 77:

I firmly believe that he decided not to run for president because someone promised him a cabinet position in the next Republican administration if he didn't.

I also think he became a General due to his helping cover up the Mi Lai massacre and denying it went any further in Vietnam when it was a widespread practice to kill civilians suspected of cooperating with the Viet Cong.

All very possible. Regarding how and why he rose to general, I don't know much about it, so I'll defer to you. As for not running for president, I think there were numerous factors. What you mentioned certainly seems plausible. His life was threatened, I've read, and he was also treated with hostility by people high up in the GOP (as well as hard-core right-wing activists) who thought him "too liberal" and too much of a wild card on social issues.

The other thing that I vividly recall, though, is that his wife has suffered from severe depression. Some knucklehead on pundit teevee back at the time he was considering a run pointed out that the GOP would declare open season on her medical history. It was shortly thereafter that he decided, "Fuck it." I can't say I disagree with him. I wouldn't put my family through it, either.

Funny considering a right wing blog excused Sarah Palin's installation of a tanning bed in the State House because she was suffering from depression because of lack of sunlight.

Agreed. Members of the GOP may not be rational, but they can certainly rationalize.

Your comment reminds me of the Jon Stewart clip where Republican convention delegates are wearing band-aids with purple hearts drawn on them to mock John Kerry's war service and wounds. It's OK to be a wounded war vet now, though. If only Kerry had had a tanning bed, maybe they would've liked him better. ; )

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Peter G @ 90:

Ron @ 86:

RobertD @ 84:

Ron @ 65:

Oh man, she'll hire that job out in a heartbeat.

That kind of mess, it will be hard to find anyone to do it at any price.

Oh I don't know. Among the wingnuts like Hannity the used ones are considered a collectible. I believe he displays some on his mantlepiece.

Clannity has the busts of overpaid diaper-changers above his fireplace? I was wondering where our last babysitter disappeared to...

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StirFry @ 76:

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The Maddow Show was awesome tonight. Here are some highlights:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfKPB-AbNts - Maddow & Sirota on McCain's Flip Flop on Regulation
This one makes it clear on how ridiculous McCain's sudden call for regulation is. And the Keating 5 is mentioned!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drKBhaaqGyw - Bill Maher on the Rachel Maddow Show: Palin is not ready
Maher talks about what constituent @ 58 mentioned about Phil Grahams role. And of course Maher shits all over Palin.
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ah who cares

maddow is just a liberal, air america lesbian

i believe that if she gives me one hour, i can preach to her and have her understand her cofusion over her sexualtiy....cuz damnit...i want to bear her children

constituent's picture

Listening to Rep. Eric Cantor(R) explain what a mccain administration
do with the economy. I swear this guy spent almost his entire time
talking negative about obama. it seems to be true. they can't compete
on issues and have to make it cultural. it's pathetic.

RobertD's picture

xoites defends Constitution @ 103:

RobertD @ 96:

Neo-classical secular humanist @ 89:

RobertD @ 77:

Redemption implies a saviour. Do you really loath yourself that much?

I consider myself a kind person who gives others the benefit of the doubt when they know they've done something wrong and want to try to make it right.

What's your excuse?

Although Redemption has religious roots it does not necessarily imply religious belief.

I am an Atheist, but the last thing i would do is jump on someone for their religious beliefs. It is what you do with those beliefs that really matter.

Yeah, I agree, and I wasn't using "redemption" to imply religion or self-piety. But I get the feeling that the commenter knew that already and simply felt the need to call someone out. That's cool.

fastfeat's picture

xoites defends Constitution @ 99:

RobertD @ 95:

xoites defends Constitution @ 87:

RobertD @ 77:

I firmly believe that he decided not to run for president because someone promised him a cabinet position in the next Republican administration if he didn't.

I also think he became a General due to his helping cover up the Mi Lai massacre and denying it went any further in Vietnam when it was a widespread practice to kill civilians suspected of cooperating with the Viet Cong.

All very possible. Regarding how and why he rose to general, I don't know much about it, so I'll defer to you. As for not running for president, I think there were numerous factors. What you mentioned certainly seems plausible. His life was threatened, I've read, and he was also treated with hostility by people high up in the GOP (as well as hard-core right-wing activists) who thought him "too liberal" and too much of a wild card on social issues.

The other thing that I vividly recall, though, is that his wife has suffered from severe depression. Some knucklehead on pundit teevee back at the time he was considering a run pointed out that the GOP would declare open season on her medical history. It was shortly thereafter that he decided, "Fuck it." I can't say I disagree with him. I wouldn't put my family through it, either.

Funny considering a right wing blog excused Sarah Palin's installation of a tanning bed in the State House because she was suffering from depression because of lack of sunlight.

I've heard that the sun is always brighter on the other side of the Bering. Maybe she can confirm it for us?

constituent's picture

executive experience: 'the holy grail'

obama...............no
biden.................nope
mccain..............zero
palin.................20 months

Ron's picture

constituent @ 107:

Listening to Rep. Eric Cantor(R) explain what a mccain administration
do with the economy. I swear this guy spent almost his entire time
talking negative about obama. it seems to be true. they can't compete
on issues and have to make it cultural. it's pathetic.

That's what they all do. They can't answer the questions.

xoites defends Constitution's picture

fastfeat @ 109:

xoites defends Constitution @ 99:

RobertD @ 95:

xoites defends Constitution @ 87:

All very possible. Regarding how and why he rose to general, I don't know much about it, so I'll defer to you. As for not running for president, I think there were numerous factors. What you mentioned certainly seems plausible. His life was threatened, I've read, and he was also treated with hostility by people high up in the GOP (as well as hard-core right-wing activists) who thought him "too liberal" and too much of a wild card on social issues.

The other thing that I vividly recall, though, is that his wife has suffered from severe depression. Some knucklehead on pundit teevee back at the time he was considering a run pointed out that the GOP would declare open season on her medical history. It was shortly thereafter that he decided, "Fuck it." I can't say I disagree with him. I wouldn't put my family through it, either.

Funny considering a right wing blog excused Sarah Palin's installation of a tanning bed in the State House because she was suffering from depression because of lack of sunlight.

I've heard that the sun is always brighter on the other side of the Bering. Maybe she can confirm it for us?

If you look at Juno on the map she can't see shit from her front porch. In fact she is 2,000+ miles away from anywhere you could possibly see Russia from.

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Unless of course she thinks Canada is Russian.

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Ron @ 111:

constituent @ 107:

Listening to Rep. Eric Cantor(R) explain what a mccain administration
do with the economy. I swear this guy spent almost his entire time
talking negative about obama. it seems to be true. they can't compete
on issues and have to make it cultural. it's pathetic.

That's what they all do. They can't answer the questions.

your correct i'm just frustrated. i just listened to nancy pfotenhauer
lobbyist the one with the longer/slender neck. d. gregory asking her
about palin's experience..after refering to david brooks article
she went right into talking about obama. i would will like her to explain palin without talking about obama. why is it important to me..it's
a poor decision by mcLiar.

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McCain may fly with his new wife VP armcandy to the United Nations to show the rest of the world what really bad vetting gets you:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080916/pl_nm/usa_politics_palin_un_dc

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Evening all!

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MsJoanne @ 116:

Evening all!

Gooood evening my lady.

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Hi :)

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xoites defends Constitution @ 113:

Unless of course she thinks Canada is Russian.

The citizens of both countries speak such poor American that she probably confuses them.

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fastfeat @ 119:

xoites defends Constitution @ 113:

Unless of course she thinks Canada is Russian.

The citizens of both countries speak such poor American that she probably confuses them.

Eh?

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How is everyone doing this evening?

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MsJoanne @ 121:

How is everyone doing this evening?

Great but it's a little slow now.

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I could run. We could have a race, Ron. :)

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fastfeat @ 27:

Undercover video of pigs being abused--no kissing, no lipstick, no VP appointment:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080917/ap_on_re_us/abused_pigs

People who hurt animals for kicks are sick motherfuckers. Psychopathic maniacs who end up like Jefferey Dahmer.

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Why doesn't this gem doesn't get more attention?

John McCain admits on tape that he ran for president out of personal ambition for "the prize":


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBKj5Wx1DbY

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xoites defends Constitution @ 123:

I could run. We could have a race, Ron. :)

Where ya running to, darlin?

I am in Cali now...I think everything is a wee bit slower here. :)

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xoites defends Constitution @ 123:

I could run. We could have a race, Ron. :)

Do you want to be responsible for me dropping dead? Hey, I just got a used 18 speed mountain bike. How about you run and I ride.

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The "Rose Revolution" ran into a Red Brick Wall last month.

Now the "Orange Revolution" implodes.

Ukrainian orange coalition dissolved

Will this be the end of color-coded "revolutions" encircling the Great Bear?

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I am in Las Vegas and everything is just a wee bit hotter here. LOL :)

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xoites defends Constitution @ 128:

I am in Las Vegas and everything is just a wee bit hotter here. LOL :)

As much as I love Cali...I will be glad to go home tomorrow.

I fly out of Reno...not quite Vegas, to be sure. :)

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So here's a good one.

Suddenly, after telling Matt Lauer on NBC-teevee earlier today that he's against additional regulations for the financial sector, John McCain has seen the light and is in favor of additional regulation.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/16/AR200809...

Talk about major flip-flop.

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I am not saying its hot here but it plumeted to 97 the other day and i had to put on a sweater.

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DaveK @ 124:

Why doesn't this gem doesn't get more attention?

John McCain admits on tape that he ran for president out of personal ambition for "the prize":


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBKj5Wx1DbY

It just got a little more attention!

Thanks!

.. now if only the MSM would play that 24/7 for a a few weeks ..

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RobertD @ 130:

So here's a good one.

Suddenly, after telling Matt Lauer on NBC-teevee earlier today that he's against additional regulations for the financial sector, John McCain has seen the light and is in favor of additional regulation.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/16/AR200809...

Talk about major flip-flop.

And this flip of all flops took place within ONE HOUR. Senator Clueless strikes again.

X...then I assume you won't be coming to visit me in Chicago any time soon, eh? :-D We won't see 97 again until next August.

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Pretty amazing shots of damage from Ike, especially the first few:

http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2008/09/the_short_but_eventful_life_of....

Haven't been watching much TV lately, but the coverage on evening news (non-cable) sure has seemed light, given the extent of apparent damage.

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Being from Maryland and having lived in Boston i understand completely what cold weather is. I think that has some influence on why i want to stay here.

Between two weeks from now and next May the weather here will be perfect. :)

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McCain camp calls Fey's Palin portrayal ‘sexist’

“Just because Sarah Palin has different views than Hillary Clinton does not mean that she lacks substance. She has a lot of substance,” Fiorina said.

Plus: Cindy McCain says ‘View’ hosts ‘picked our bones clean’

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fastfeat @ 134:

Pretty amazing shots of damage from Ike, especially the first few:

http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2008/09/the_short_but_eventful_life_of....

Haven't been watching much TV lately, but the coverage on evening news (non-cable) sure has seemed light, given the extent of apparent damage.

Photo 13 blows my mind.

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DaveK @ 124:

Why doesn't this gem doesn't get more attention?

John McCain admits on tape that he ran for president out of personal ambition for "the prize":


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBKj5Wx1DbY

John McCain is really the "Highlander" ?

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DaveK @ 124:

Why doesn't this gem doesn't get more attention?

John McCain admits on tape that he ran for president out of personal ambition for "the prize":


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBKj5Wx1DbY

maybe i shoulda read his book...but he sure didnt act like ambition was driving him

though it seems that way now

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MountainMan23 @ 136:

McCain camp calls Fey's Palin portrayal ‘sexist’

“Just because Sarah Palin has different views than Hillary Clinton does not mean that she lacks substance. She has a lot of substance,” Fiorina said.

Plus: Cindy McCain says ‘View’ hosts ‘picked our bones clean’

Cindy McPillPopper has done a lot of substances ...............

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DaveK @ 124:

Why doesn't this gem doesn't get more attention?

John McCain admits on tape that he ran for president out of personal ambition for "the prize":


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBKj5Wx1DbY

Well knock me over with a feather!

All this time i thought it was because he had missed that kitchen table so bad he wanted a kitchen cabinet!

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Those are amazing pictures. The oil slick one, along with the floating caskets...pretty horrifying.

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xoites defends Constitution @ 141:

DaveK @ 124:

Why doesn't this gem doesn't get more attention?

John McCain admits on tape that he ran for president out of personal ambition for "the prize":


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBKj5Wx1DbY

Well knock me over with a feather!

All this time i thought it was because he had missed that kitchen table so bad he wanted a kitchen cabinet!

Hey, watch it. He was a POW and didn't have a table for five years, dontchano.

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xoites defends Constitution @ 137:

fastfeat @ 134:

Pretty amazing shots of damage from Ike, especially the first few:

http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2008/09/the_short_but_eventful_life_of....

Haven't been watching much TV lately, but the coverage on evening news (non-cable) sure has seemed light, given the extent of apparent damage.

Photo 13 blows my mind.

I can picture a real estate developer getting a hard-on for the first shot (Photo 11)--a sales office already in place and soon hundreds of new condos rising all around...

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OMG, photo 11. I used to live in Clear Lake, TX and used to go to Galveston every weekend. Basically, Galveston has disappeared from the face of the Earth.

Photo 28 is upsetting.

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MsJoanne @ 143:

xoites defends Constitution @ 141:

DaveK @ 124:

Why doesn't this gem doesn't get more attention?

John McCain admits on tape that he ran for president out of personal ambition for "the prize":


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBKj5Wx1DbY

Well knock me over with a feather!

All this time i thought it was because he had missed that kitchen table so bad he wanted a kitchen cabinet!

Hey, watch it. He was a POW and didn't have a table for five years, dontchano.

Don't the world know?

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fastfeat @ 144:

xoites defends Constitution @ 137:

fastfeat @ 134:

Pretty amazing shots of damage from Ike, especially the first few:

http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2008/09/the_short_but_eventful_life_of....

Haven't been watching much TV lately, but the coverage on evening news (non-cable) sure has seemed light, given the extent of apparent damage.

Photo 13 blows my mind.

I can picture a real estate developer getting a hard-on for the first shot (Photo 11)--a sales office already in place and soon hundreds of new condos rising all around...

Capitalism at its finest.

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I went into the den of the of the lions (read subservient, brainless, minions) at Town Hall and posted. What is posted here is very mild to what you will read here. Obama is, according to one nitwit, a communist, and that is mild compared to some of the other dog feces that masquerades for comments. Intelligent cannot be used to describe the bloggers much less the posters. I don't want to go back but I guess if Dennis comes here, I have to go there.

By the way, has anyone been paying attention to David Gregory. What a sorry excuse for a male half of a heterosexual couple. His tongue must perpetually drag on the ground.

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MsJoanne @ 143:

xoites defends Constitution @ 141:

DaveK @ 124:

Why doesn't this gem doesn't get more attention?

John McCain admits on tape that he ran for president out of personal ambition for "the prize":


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBKj5Wx1DbY

Well knock me over with a feather!

All this time i thought it was because he had missed that kitchen table so bad he wanted a kitchen cabinet!

Hey, watch it. He was a POW and didn't have a table for five years, dontchano.

And with some luck (and lack of help from Diebold) he won't have a Cabinet in January.

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