Is Bush's shoe-throwing heckler being tortured?
By David Neiwert Tuesday Dec 16, 2008 10:00am
While Tweety fussed about the propriety of Al Zaida’s shoe throw just now, very credible reports started to come in from Arabic sources that Muntader Al Zaida is in very bad shape:
Raed in the Middle reports:
Albaghdadia, the TV channel where the Iraqi Journalist Montather Al-Zeidi works, reports that an Iraqi MP (Ms. Zainab Al-Kanani) informed them that Montather’s hand was broken in jail.
This confirms a lot of reports and rumors about Montather being subject to torture while the Iraqi authorities are interrogating and detaining him in some unspecified location.
From Roads to Iraq:
Iraqi TV al-Sharqiya just reported on the news that AL-Zaidi is transferred to Camp Cropper prison [the Airport prison, managed by the American forces].
The TV Channel announced that Al-Zaidi is in a difficult condition, with broken ribs and signs of tortures on his thighs. Also he can not move his right arm.
The brother of the Iraqi journalist who threw his shoes at US President George W Bush has said that the reporter has been beaten in custody.
Muntadar al-Zaidi has allegedly suffered a broken arm, broken ribs and internal bleeding, his older brother, Dargham, told the BBC.
Mr Zaidi threw his shoes at Mr Bush at a news conference, calling him "a dog".
A spokesperson for the Iraqi military says the journalist is in good health and said the allegations were untrue.
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I suppose he fell up and down the stairs a few times.
This world is so fucked up.
I'd think his fellow Iraqi's would be hailing him as a hero, not a criminal.
Not the case evidently...
Zaidi's fellow Iraqis are no more monolithic than the population of any other artificially gerrymandered region of the world.
He and his fellow Iraqis went from the U.S.-sponsored dictatorship of Saddam Hussein, to the U.S.-backed puppet government they have today. Does anyone believe that, at all levels of government & society, they have unlearned all prior conditioning in four years & that the authoritarian mindset doesn't persist?
When you or I attend a peace demonstration, the cops in riot gear are just as American as the people marching - whether or not they should treat you with respect & dignity, do you really expect that the police will?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyCeeA_rqvU&fe...
Bush is bound and determined to make the Spanish Inquisition look like a footnote.
but the Inquisition was an absolute horror...of course...state-side we ain't getting alot of coverage on what's really happening over there...so hell...you may be right...
Either way...it gotta stop.
to power and now has to pay. I wonder if bush ordered the harsh treatment himself. I'm not an Iraqi but if I was I would shake his hand not beat him.
for someone who really spoke for millions of people in one act.
The price this guy is paying for being a principled person and a hero for millions.
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That's how the world generally treats that type of person.
should have all his bones broken for the crimes he's committed.
at least - because those shoes sailing towards his head probably brought back memories of "The Little Goat Who Could" moments and the "What do I do now?" aftermath.
Mix a little "Mission Accomplished" into it all and the roughing up of the Iraqi journalist and one might conclude that this 'victory lap' was bogus and the status of the 'democracy' that he bought with 4200+ American lives, countless Iraqi lives and a big chunk of our national wealth doesn't include free speech and certainly didn't gain the appreciation that he expected.
your "free-dum and dumbocracy" Iraqi people.
An honest man will be tortured to death for speaking the truth to a murdering, amoral tyrant.
George W Bush deserves life in a maximum security prison facility.
More shoes.
White house reporters required to remove shoes at security entrance. No shoes in press room.
* Dick Cheney's response.
I feel so much empathy for that journalist and any Iraqi who hates our Government for breaking that innocent nation.
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But Iraq never attacked us.
was innocent when Saddam held power.
It was the USA that put SH in power, kept him in power and sold him weapons of mass destruction in the form of chemical agents.
It was also the GHW Bush administration via James Baker that gave SH the go-ahead regarding the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait.
I won't ask you to explain how you didn't know this.
As Mike Malloy likes to say, this is indeed a Bush Crime Family.
"innocent nation"
You don't get that?
So you think it's okay that tens of thousands of innocent Iraqis were murdered by our government?
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If you still believe that we have (or ever had) any justification for being in that nation for any reason, I simply do not wish to correspond with you.
"nation"? Even if Saddam was a thug and a dictator, that doesn't make all Iraqis deserving of what the U.S. has unleashed.
At the same time, it's not the United States' job to go around policing the world. You're talking like you're god's messenger on this earth, sent to rid it of all things you perceive to be evil. How righteous of you.
not NEARLY enough of those types in this country! };)>
Please explain what you believe the Iraqis to be guilty of.
And please explain why it took so long for you to give a shit that Saddam was such a bad guy.
"Ooh, Saddam killed all those people! Why, in twenty or so years, we're not going to stand for that!"
Rummy, Reagan's emissary, clearing the way for Saddam Hussein to buy American-made chemical weapons in 1983:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTldYbqlJc8
what an ignorant comment.
Thanks, site monitor.
You're an idiot. (Saw you in another thread, so... )
Free al-Zaidi! Imprison the war criminal!
CNN actually reported this story today but no mention of the injuries. but they showed great concern over Perino`s black eye. I figure the Secret Service worked this brave Iraqi over real good. CNN sucks.
The black eye Parino got is nothing compared to the black eye BushCo has given America. Quite fitting actually.
If CNN did real journalism, the destruction and dead victims of Bush's war would be documented. The media in the USA is just the public relations arm of the MIC. Disgusting.
if cnn actually attempted to cover stories like a news organization we could no longer call it 'cnn'. as 'cnn' is synonymous with piss poor infotainment.
He will be beaten and get a bullet in the head.
If it hasn't already happened, I'd be shocked- Tune into the right wing radio venom sometime- you'll hear callers voicing the different ways they want this Iraqi man to die.
Michael Savage called for him to be shot.
Very sad.
In full glory.
Bush claimed he wasn't the least bit phased by the incident,easily ducking out of the way of the air born shoes.He made sure to gloat and swagger over this fact,yet Savage feels another death is called for.
I've got a shoe right here for you Savage,with my foot in it.
I'd like to put it right up your evil pooper.
I don't think it would satiate your anger at Mr. Savage Weiner, seeing as how he likes that sort of thing:
"There are Savage's years with Ginsberg and Ferlinghetti, including a note to Ginsberg that read, "Watched a tourist from New Zealand taking pictures of Fijian people in the marketplace [and] thought of inserting my camera's lens in your A-hole to photograph the walls of your rectum.""
Yep, that's the same insane radio host who wished AIDS & death on a caller to his short-lived teevee show. Word is he's full of self-loathing over being gay & rejected by Ginsberg.
http://www.alternet.org/mediaculture/86237/?p...
Just for fun, here's a photo of Savage-Weiner wearing a purse:
http://marklevinfan.com/PhotoAlbum/albums/use...
Yeah I remember reading somewhere about this mutt's association with the Beats.I couldn't believe what I was reading.
He then turns around and becomes this complete rightwing homophobe nutcase and stabs them in the back.He is to the Beats what Stalin was to the Revolution.A lousy stinking traitor.
Go ahead, make a martyr of him. That will really help things along. The guy is a hero to the Arab world.
"WASHINGTON (AP) — A White House spokeswoman said Tuesday that Iraqi leaders are the ones to decide whether punishment is appropriate for the Iraqi journalist who stunned observers by hurling two shoes at President George W. Bush from close range.
"The president believes that Iraq is a sovereign country, a democratic country, and they will have a process that they follow on this," White House press secretary Dana Perino told reporters."
"The guy is a hero to the Arab world."
And to most of the free world and probably half the United States.
George Bush or Dick Cheney or the fine men and women in our military would allow this man to be tortured. Come on. This is AMERICA!!!
From the fairy tales they taught us in History class growing up.
I owe you an apology for last night. You were right and I was wrong.
I'm sorry.
p.s. I fell asleep which is why I did not respond to you last night.
The TV station the Iraqi journalist works for is owned by a Sunni. Most Sunnis in Iraq are critical of the U.S. occupation. However, Nuri Al-Maliki's government is mostly Shia, the same goes for his body guards. In other words, the Shia government will be more than happy to break Al-Zeidi's bones just to appease their American masters, the masters who installed them in power.
That man's not gonna survive.
Time to buy stock in Nike and Adidas.
Why would we expect anything less? Will Bush make a comment about this?
A war crime victim staring at his smirking, smart ass, mass murdering assailant, snapped and threw his shoes at the asshole, gets arrested and possibly tortured... This is so wrong. Victims go after their attackers in court rooms every day all over America.
We need a "shoe day" to reiterate to the Muslim world that this devil has never actually represented our nation.
Mr. Al Zaidi is a hero to millions. He threw the shoes at a war criminal...Would not have had to happen if the U.S. congress had had half the nerve that Mr. Al Zaidi has to hold Bush and Cheney accountable for their war crimes
If Bush were any kind of a man, he'd do something to spare Al-Zeidi.
*re-reads that sentence*
What the h*ll am I thinking?
What else would you expect? Do you think Iraq is a country with a legitimate legal system? Do you think George Bush would do anything to intervene?
it is more than half here in the US that support shoe throwing.
From now on will attendees at bush speech-a-fying events have to remove their shoes?
We already do at airports...
as a triumph for democracy because if the reporter had done that under Saddam's regime, he would have been beaten and executed.
Half way there.
"Meet the new boss,
Same as the old boss"
One can only wish. But, Bush is as thugish. In front of the TV cameras and the world he pretended to take it lightly, but behind closed doors I bet he was asking for that journalist to be taught a lesson. I think Muntather is being handed over to U.S. forces to be beaten even more, perhaps even inflict injuries that will leave him unable to perform his job as a journalist anymore, ever. They won't kill him. He's become an icon at this point.
The Bush Clan has a long history of seeking,and getting revenge.
This "democracy" in Iraq reports directly to Washington,which is to say,Bush.He will have definitely been involved in whatever "retribution" is meted out.Petty vindictive thug that Bush is,it can't bode well for this guy.
Free the Shoe Thrower Petition
http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/montather/
More on the shoe thrower or hero for millions
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/12/14/bush...
That man must be set free!
Just a matter of time...
Pardon Zaidi, Not Rove!
Maybe he can give the guy a vice presidential 21-birdshot facial.
"Hi I'm Dick Cheney and I approved this torture."
same as the old ruthless Iraqi dictator
A leader worthy of the name would make a plea for the man's safety. Certainly, Obama would do this were he the shoe target.
Last night Olberman had a guest on saying that in a few days he will be quietly released. I hope he's right.
Into the Tigris river under cover of darkness.
So quietly no one will know.
Let's hope quietly released to freedom for showing the world what trash Bush is.
Time for our "Christian" "president" to show some mercy and pardon this guy. Bush could definitely put in a word with Maliki or whoever to release him. But he won't. Cuz that's our Bush.
Reminds me of the Simpsons episode where Homer winds up driving his enemy Frank Grimes crazy and ultimately to his death.At the end of the show,they are putting Grimes in the ground while Homer, sleeping,tells Marge to "change the channel".Everybody yuks it up and Lenny observes:"Thats our Homer!"
...have you heard from some righty that he couldn't do this when Saddam was in power or they'd lock him up and torture him?
yet, they failed to acknowledge that one of Saddam greatest crime when he supposly killed his own people was when the pro life conservative icon, the adulterer and divorcee Ronald Reagan was president.
Yet Ronny sent Rummy over to Iraq to give him more weapons.
Is this the culture of life that Bush and his cohorts, the far right pro lie conservatives are always talking about?
650,000 dead Iraqis, innocent precious lives that were "liberated" by Bush who believe that all lives are so scared.
1 million or more Iraqis had their homes destroyed; forcing them to leave Iraq and millions more are constantly facing threats to their lives because of their country instability. Once again, a culture of life.
4,000 and counting dead American soldiers, who lives was so scared because they were send to be a part of a culture of life.
So I guess that is why the pro lie conservatives like war so much and support blackwater because in war, where there is constant death and destruction, the culture of life is at its greatest.
he and his corporate fascist elitist buds are spreading the same joy here in America: forcing people out of jobs, out of their homes, refusing healthcare, spying on citizens, imprisoning more people than any other country, taking away civil rights.....
....beginning to look more like Iraq every day.
If this man who is a hero to the Iraq people was tortured the PM will lose his job. The man now has over two hundred lawyers willing to take his case for free. 100 of those lawyers are Americans. The charge this man has will not stick. Now if he was beaten by guards watch those guards so missing soon. This action will be part of Bush's legacy around the World. Now if he is jailed for two years he can watch Bush/Cheney's trial for War Crimes by the United Nations on TV. Just think Bush's trial as the man who tossed a shoe watching, priceless.
Saddam supposely killed 10,000 people, Bush/Cheney killed 500,000 people and made millions homeless that's the facts.
Wouldn't it be great if 10,000 people showed up at the White House and threw one single shoe over the fence? And make sure there are cameras there.
Looks to me like Al-Zeidi got some payback from the security guys for making fools of them.
Would be good if we could make his act of courage live on.
I'd like to see GWB pelted with shoes everytime he dares to show his face in public from now on.
Send your old shoes (preferably soiled) to GWB's Crawford Ranch. Send him the clear message that he is an epic fail.
Let the act of throwing one's shoes at a person, with intent to injure and humiliate, be know henceforth as 'Bushing'.
If he's at "Camp Cropper", which is managed by Americans, it must be Americans who authorized this man's brutal torture. All Bush has to do is speak a single word, "Stop,", and release the man.
So Bush wasn't "bothered" by the shoe-throwing, it didn't "threaten" him but was "interesting", and he didn't know what the man's problem was? Yeah, I'll bet that's true.
I despise the Bush administration.
Iraqi Freedom of speech.
Just like freedom of expression in America, where King George and his cronies called anyone who disagreed with their policies a terrorit sympathizer?
I've just checked the Baghdadia's website. The website reports that according to the journalist's brother, he will be appearing in court sometime this week and charged in accordance with an anti-terrorism law.
Despite being the object of this Iraqi journalist's hatred (and many millions across the globe), how many here think King George had the dignity and courage to ask that he be treated fairly while in custody? Yeah, I doubt it.
Just holding this guy for a long period of time would have sparked sustained outrage at least among those in Sadir City. If the reports are true which I would not doubt given the track record of the US and Iraqi officials, then this will likely unite Iraqis. Plan to see the outrage and protests spread across Iraq. Maliki can also kiss his chance for re-election goodbye in the coming months unless the Bush regime helps him steal it.
Don't forget this guy had already been tortured as well as several members of his family prior to the shoe throwing incident. I don't know what I would have done in that situation.
"Those shoes were a size ten"
This man is going to be bigger than jeebus!
I pray for his safety, wtf is wrong with humans?!
"What? Me worry?"
A shame that a direct hit with a size ten at 100 mph couldn't really cause more damage.. I am so proud of that man, he called the devil out where nobody else has. If I ever see that fucker in person I'm throwing my shoes too.
Bush has black-eye.See here
Well, we wanted American style democracy over there, and at least judging by the treatment he is getting while being detained goes, we got it. Cheney must be so proud!
Anyone think this guy would have gotten better treatment under Saddam?
Oh wait, he would have gotten killed.. right?
Like that will make the difference.
'Yes, your honour, I did run over the victim three times with my car. But it was my friend that shot him.'
The US 'liberated' Iraq and just replaced one ruling mob with another.
Again the US will turn a blind eye for as long as it furthers their goals.
Just wait until al Puppet becomes uncomfortable and see how this and the other crap gets used against him.
Why do you think Bush wanted to transfer power asap? So that the victim's blood will be on al Puppets hands.
The US learned from Vietnam very quickly that you can do what you want and the blame will go to the rulers you are just 'helping out'.
As soon as I saw this clip on the news of him throwing the shoe I thought to myself, "This guy is gonna pay for that." It's a shame and I'm sure he expected to get roughed up, but if only the shoe would've hit it's target. This guy is a hero.
What, are they making him listen to recordings of boosh's speeches? Or this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZBoPlCzuRY
CNN ( CANDY CROWLEY )asked the perpetrator, if the VICTIM , should be " grateful" for all the money he allegedly poured into Iraq , in an appalling display of typical sycophantic , behavior .
Rule # 1 - Ignore completely or marginalize the suffering of Arabs and either ignore his complaints completely or MISREPRESENT them , as the lying accused war criminal George Bush did , claiming he only wanted to get attention or " publicity "
Not surprising though or an isolated case, it's typical for CNN to totally ignore or censor reports of up to 20 , 25 Palestinians killed by Israel in ONE DAY , yet will give live reporting for ONE or TWO killed , to make only Israelis the victims .
Crowley , the gov. and zionist sycophant had the NERVE to suggest , even if you don't agree , had the nerve A. to ignore his anger , his righteous rage and THE REASON FOR IT !
iT'S ONE THING for the accused waR CRIMINAL TO JOKE , LIE AND MISREPRESENT AN IRAQIS HATRED FOR HIM AND US, but when the complicit "news" media spins, distorts and ignores the provable rage and anger from an ARAB PATRIOT , BECAUSE over 300,000 civilians are massacred by the U.S. gov. , millions still homeless, over 20,000 in U.S. controlled prisons , and the paralyzed, the blind from the bush invasion..and this man doesn't have a right to be angry , his outrage isn't legitimate in the corrupt eyes of the Better than Pravda media .
This racist dehumanization of Arabs in the zionist controlled media needs to stop .....!
I despise that fat cow.
He's supposed to lob softballs, not hurl shoes, at least if he ever wants a job in the Washington press corp. Bonus points if he's a male hooker that can do overnights at the White House.
More importantly, he's now a hero to millions and deserves a far better fate than that which he appears to be experiencing at the moment.
Someone please give Muntadar al-Zaidi some kind of honourable medal for bravery, and pay for his medical bills. The man's a hero.
Free Muntadar al-Zaidi.
How do we set about getting that done? Millions of voices...
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