Jonah's roadmap for conservatives has a few gaping holes in it
By David Neiwert Monday Mar 30, 2009 5:45am
Jonah Goldberg was part of a panel discussion broadcast on CSPAN this weekend put together by Commentary magazine titled "The Future of Conservatism."
Goldberg, as is his wont, tried to explain the need to humanize conservatives by whining about how tough it's been to get people not to see them as humorless, out-of-touch whiners:
There's a lot to be said for sort of -- David Brooks came up with a great anthology of conservative writing. And a huge chunk of it was just trying to remind people that conservatives are in fact people. You know, that we're nice people, that we are -- with human ambitions and human desires, and compassion and all of the rest. Because we already had the arguments about economics and all of that, and foreign policy pretty well nailed down when this book came out, it was to convince people that you were not a bad person to be a conservative.
Now, I think in some ways that fight has kind of been won, or at least we've made a lot of progress in that fight. The problem is that in the process, we are now going back to New Deal economics and all of the rest, and all of the other issues, on foreign policy we're sending out lovely videos to Iran and that's about it. And so the job for conservatism is again to go back to these arguments that we thought we had won a long time ago, and that's a worthy fight to have.
These sorts of ruminations tell us a great deal about how conservatives see themselves, which (as is usually the case with conservative self-mythology) has the cognitive-dissonance-producing problem of not being particularly well grounded in reality. Indeed, as in Goldberg's peroration here, it's practically an alternative-reality fantasy, a distinctly backward-looking one that refuses to acknowledge current realities on the ground.
Conservatives indeed had economic arguments won for much of the past thirty years -- Reagan's "small government" ethos was present in Bill Clinton's administration as well, embodied by his willing signature on the repeal of the Glass-Steagall Act back in 1998.
What Goldberg and his fellow conservatives are loath to admit is that this approach to economics and fiduciary responsibility has been proven irrevocably to be an unmitigated disaster, and a return to FDR-era regulation is not only warranted but necessary for our economic survival.
This reality on the ground changes the arguments for conservatives in fundamentally profound ways -- which they, in their ongoing state of denial, stubbornly refuse to acknowledge. One of these is that the old, stale argument about whether conservatives are nice people or not is rendered utterly useless.
It is, in fact, quite possible for perfectly nice people to believe things that produce perfectly bad outcomes for the rest of society. That's as true of liberals as it is of conservatives. And what's become clear is that movement conservatism produces all kinds of bad outcomes. Those nice people make for really bad governance.
Indeed, those nice people can even politely applaud while real evil proceeds. Torture, anyone? Katrina? The list of actual evils produced by conservative governance is quite long.
Sure, we can acknowledge that most conservatives are in fact nice people. But they're nice people who have nearly ruined the country. That's an argument conservatives can't really engage, though, without losing -- because they've already lost it.
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Another fat-ass with a goatee.
Here's a note jonah; you still ain't cool.
and Bill Clinton's stain. Why waste time on him?
Jonah Goldberg appears another right wing Jew, a traitor to my faith.
Actually their stupidity does appear fatal:
to 14 dead astronauts under 2 Republiklan administrations who launched space shuttles despite the heated warnings by engineers not to launch them.
to thousands of people who used or ate Vioxx, Celebrex, Heparin, Peanut butter, peppers, tomatoes and other tainted food not policed by Republiklan FDA departments.
to 1 million innocent Iraqis.
to thousands of dead Ford Explorer / Firestone tire owners.
A lot of conservatives care about their family and friends, but
they do not care about people they do not know. Their compassion ends with a small circle of friends and family, and then eff everyone else.
You would have hoped that with One great depression under Herbert Hoover that people would not have elected Ronald Raygun and the 2 Bushes, but they did and now we face our second large depression.
I sincerely believed that Bush did not appear the worst President, and that Herbert Hoover appeared worse, making Bush the second worst President. However when I saw CSPAN publish the survey of 65 Historians making Bush worse than Herbert Hoover, that surprised me. One would hope now with SloboGeorge MiloseBush rated worse than Herbert Hoover by 65 historians that the American people will now keep the Republiklan party out of any position of power for 40 years for congress with less than 40 senators for the next 40 years and no majority in the house for 40 years and out of the Presidency for at least 20 years.
One can hope that the American people will not make this stupid mistake and bring the Hooverite Bush Republiklan party back into power.
Thank goodness that historians will enshrine Bush's failure in school textbooks and children will hopefully see that the Republiklan party has now 2 strikes against it and ask their parents, why do these screwups get into power and deliberately produce deficits to destroy the social safety net in order to bring back Ayn Rand's screwed up vision for America.
Conservatives need to live their private lives and keep their Mitts off government because they ruin people's lives and actually kill them.
They appear the party of Religious nuts and tax cut sluts.
Or the party of Ayn Rand and Tomas de Torquemada.
Maximus 7, thank you for posting your above message. Too often my friends, many liberal jews, also tell me how impossible it is for them to confront AIPAC/neoNAZIcons, and say that just because the GOVERNMENT of Israel and it's suck-ups here, don't want something said, it can't be said.
Ford Explorer/Firestone owners, I have no opinion.
I didn't know that ~250 is the same as "thousands"
Goldberg's father is Jewish but is mother is Episcopalian, and he was raised in that faith.
On top of that doughy pantloads blames "liberals" for not recognizing his Jewishness, when according to Jewish custom you're only born Jewish when your mother is.
Otherwise you have to convert, and they don't make the process easy. The Reform branch might; they're like the Unitarians of Jews.
that created Obamatons from our witless youth.
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The holes in Jonah's plan match the holes in Jonah's head. If this is the intellectual leadership of the conservative movement, and I firmly believe that these are their best and brightest, they are eternally doomed.
When your ideology has failed time & time again....and you have no new ideas, at least ones based in reality...
Your 'movement' is doomed...
I'm still waiting for one con-servative to show me how a tax cut for the wealthy has created one job...
..illegal immigrant groundskeeper. If he had to pay someone a real wage, what good would the tax cut do? But see, a job created..oh wait, no tax collected. Never mind!
Like the article said, their economics wrecked America, and by extension the rest of the world who traded with us, so that makes for crappy foreign policy as well.
Part of the reason the Chinese and Indians are pushing for a new reserve currency, the so called SDR (Special Drawing Rights) is because they get tired of America not negotiating with the rest of the world, but simply telling them what to do, as per the chimpanator. And because boosh/conservative policies weakened the dollar even our stronger allies are considering switching to the Euro for international trade.
And of course with Nouri Al Maliki in office in Iraq, the Shia hand has been strengthened in the region along with Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's Iran.
It's as if certain representatives of six countries were stranded on an island.
Russia would do the hunting.
England would gather wood.
Japan would dive for seafood.
Brazil would grow vegetables.
China would do all the cleaning of the living space.
And the United States would just eat. Just enough morsels of food would be left for the other countries to eat to keep them satisfied.
After a few weeks of this, the other countries were beginning to realize they were getting the ol' shafter-uny.
Of course the most logical thing to do would be to kick the United States off the island! This way they'd all have plenty to eat plus some extra time to lay in the sun!
Wait, not fun. The other thing. 'stupid'
All it is is a lot of words to say LOL AMERICA SUCKS.
There's no basis for any of that.
is that they never, ever admit their policies & ideas are what ruined the Country, heck ruined 3 countries, plus the deadly mess in Israel.
They blame others, anyone: Democrats, the weak and powerless, or people long dead, such as Marx or Roosevelt.
I had a roommate back in the 90's who believed, really believed! that homeless people were to blame for all Societies' problems. Her solution: round them up and send them all to a camp in Minnesota or some such far-away place. I recall being stunned almost to silence- almost. Then I explained to her about Hitler & der Juden. I don't think she got it.
She loved Rush Limbaugh.
The conservatives right now remind me of termite infested wood. They look the same but when you put any pressure on them they crumble into saw dust.
... and moreso because a termite-infested house can appear perfectly sound.
I wish their stupidity was fatal.
It was. For US.
I meant that I wished it was fatal for them!
I go to Cook County prison once a week to counsel people who can't make bail. I'm no better than those folks, but I certainly won't take their recommendations on how to properly commit a crime. Whatever this pig Goldberg suggests, I'd do the opposite.
They just don't get it.
http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n152/crant...
They just don't get any.
NeoNAZIcons are all sociopathic, unable to learn in any manner. That IS this condition. UNABLE to learn from their own mistakes 'cause it's NEVER their own fault, it's ALWAYS someone else's fault.
Lets use their own hypocracy against them, Jesus said, 'For those that have ears, let them hear. For those that have eyes, let them see.'
Without these, there will never be a 'security update' for the menatlly ill.
When I listen to either this asshat or the other asshat, Hugh Hewitt, I have to say that my hair absolutely starts to hurt.
These people are passed of as intellectuals, simply because they can throw a big word or two around. Yet, when you listen...really listen...it is simple ranting. The point of their argument is that they don't really have one.
They rant, they ramble...at times so incoherently...that it seems the mumblings of a madman.
I am amazed that ANY group or media outlet would grant people like this an appearance, much less pay them for one.
the problem isn't that Americans don't like "conservatives" - the problem is Americans don't like Conservative Leaders.
my sister and brother in law are Mormon, and very very Conservative. they're great people. fun to hang out with, great parents, eager to provide a good future, demonstrate good ethics, and hand off a strong global reputation to their children.
they actually didn't vote in the last election. they disagreed in principle with too many of Barack Obama's policies, and were distrustful of Joe Biden. fair enough.
but they were already just as hesitant to back John McCain ... and then, after McCain picked Sarah Palin ... and then after Sarah Palin went on the campaign trail trying to boost support by trash talking "the black guy" ... and after my state's Republican senator Gordon Smith was caught trashing hard-working (illegal) Mexicans, then turning around and hiring hard-working (illegal) Mexicans to work for dirt cheap in his frozen food factory ......
well, they just skipped the whole damn election. they skipped the whole thing. and now with shit talking dipshit assholes like Rush Limbaugh and Karl Rove and Bobby Jindal trying to step up and assert themselves as the "voice" of the party ...... by trash-talking hard-working, caring, motivated liberals like, uh, well, like me ...
well, yet again - they're completely disinterested in having anything to do with their party.
bless their hearts, they're conservative, and they'll always be conservative. but they're incredibly disappointed in their party's leadership at this point. the Republican party really has become a party of "No". its obvious to the party's strongest base. its a party of divisiveness and bullying and hate. and nobody likes that, nobody on the left, or the right.
the best thing for the party would be for Michael Steele to do his god damned job, and supress idiots like Limbaugh, Rove, and Goldberg here. but I really doubt thats going to happen.
because I honestly believe that some of the core principles of the party embody racism, bigotry and the worst kind of opportunism. and I honestly believe right now that Republicans resent Mr. Steele because he represents another black man who achieved political greatness. and I honestly believe that all kinds of hateriffic GOP b-list "leaders" are eager to assert themselves as the "true" leader of the GOP right now.... because they don't like taking orders from another black man, and because they want to try to seize some kind of power from him.
Repeat after me.
THE REPUBLIKLAN PARTY.
The party of Religious nuts and tax cut sluts.
The Knights of the white right fright.
The Party of Ayn Rand and Tomas de Torquemada.
Mean spirited conservative people don't even want hard working people to earn a living wage, and don't want these hard working people to get unemployment insurance. They consider the unemployed freeloaders despite the fact that people paid for unemployment insurance. They don't like people who earn a minimum wage and remain stuck in such jobs.
These conservatives need to remain private citizens and stay out of government meaning that people should not elect them into majorities.
no, I don't believe that "most" Conservatives are mean spirited.
no, I don't believe that "most" Liberals are lazy ass hippies who hate the wealthy and just want to sit on their ass and smoke weed and get some kind of handout.
the left wing has done great work the last 15-20 years to purge the leadership of those who represent the left wing in the worst possible way.
the right wing needs a similar kind of enema. so I think Jonah Goldberg is accurate in saying the same thing... I just think its kind of sad, kind of funny, and incredibly ironic that he doesn't realize... well, that he's exactly the kind of right wing person who needs to stfu so his party can succeed once again.
the left wing has done great work the last 15-20 years to purge the leadership of those who represent the left wing in the worst possible way.
To whom do you refer? What's the "worst possible way" for a left leader to behave?
Care to give examples?
"Because we already had the arguments about economics and all of that, and foreign policy pretty well nailed down when this book came out, it was to convince people that you were not a bad person to be a conservative."
They made their arguments, and ran the country based on them, and from that evidence people think conservatives are bad people.
I just simply can't imagine what conclusions we can draw from that.
equating "Nice" with Good. They are not the same thing at at all. Its really fairly easy to "act" nice: pleasant & polite. Absence of active evil or evil intent doesn't = a good person. If Ann C was just "joking" when suggesting a Supreme Court justice be given rat poison, even if she didn't intend harm, what she said was still evil.
Being really good is difficult.
It must be a long cold winter in his head.
Hot Pockets and Fleshlights.
Thats the rub, arrrrr.
That's hilarious.
Sure, we can acknowledge that most conservatives are in fact nice people.
Nice people don't begin wars for oil. Nice people are able to empathize with people that are not exactly like themselves. Nice people are not bigots. Nice people are not war profiteers. Nice people are not greedy. Shall I go on?
The above are some top reasons why conservatives are not nice people, but there are smaller things as well...
Nice people don't call liberals "fascists." (Goldberg).
Nice people don't say that "liberals like to say they have open minds, but sometimes they open their minds too much, and their brains fall out." (Goldberg, in this same video).
Nice people don't call liberals "mindless," like Rush the Pig Limpballs does.
Nice people don't give out contact information for students who protest military recruiters on campus, resulting in death threats against those students (Malkin).
Nice people don't call Al Gore and Bill Clinton "fags." (Coulter).
Nice people don't make fun of and in fact get nasty about the 9-11 widows (Coulter).
"Small" things matter....and, yes, you can go on and on and on.
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I can certainly confirm that I'm broadminded.
Another synonym for liberal, also in another thesaurus: "intelligent."
More antonyms to liberal, also in another thesaurus: "greedy," "mean."
http://thesaurus.reference.com/browse/liberal
The old canard of "The road to hell is paved with good intentions" is applicable. Something liberals have been accused of for years. But here's the thought: Good intentions sometimes go bad. Bad intentions never go good. Nor do bad intentions ever announce themselves for what they are. "No Child Left Behind" is a program to dumb down America's children and to payoff standardized testing companies for their brilliant lobbying, entirely fitting in to a self-serving agenda. That's not a good intention.
It is in the basic party platforms. Bad policy is bad intentions and cannot come to good (Trickle down economics). Good policy may produce bad results, but the trick is to balance bad results against good results and to not expect panacea.
After trillions of $$$ of GOVERNMENT BAILOUT we don't hear much of this anymore:
Now there's a guy who never practiced ONE THING he preached.
Saint Ronnie Reagan who never met a military-industrialist he didn't like.
Reagan begat Bush. Bush begat lazy Bush (Chimpy McFlightsuit) and his US catastrophies America will be dealing with long after we're buried.
Republican promises;
1) No new taxes.
definition: No new rich people taxes.
2) No child left behind.
definition: No rich kids left behind (?).
3) Smaller Gov.t.
definition: Only serving our 3% of ultra wealthy will shrink Gov.t spending. (it doesn't).
"In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem." Ronald Reagan First Inaugural Speech, 01/20/81
Ayatollah Khomeini: "We have a problem with American Government. Not the American People." Mike Wallace (in reply): "America's Government IS it's people!"
Abraham Lincoln: "...a Government of The People, by The People and for The People....."
So! I get it! Conservatives/Republicans think The People are the problem! That's why they are trying to kill everybody!
How to consume an super extra large pan pizza with everything on it in ten minutes without vomitting...sure.
How to win in politics...fuck you.
Boy, I'd love to hang out with those nerds. Their grasp of popular culture is rich.
Jonah,
Don't let the fact that you sound like a smug prick make you think you're not a smug prick. You are a smug prick! And a fucking stupid one, at that.
And, if you weren't the fruit of your mother's loins, you couldn't hold a job as an assistant manager at a Wawa - no insult intended to actual assistant manager's at Wawa is intended.
A theology professor once told me that niceness is neither a moral nor ethical value, so Goldberg's assertion that conservatives are nice people rings hollow. Being nice just doesn't cut it. It isn't enough.
"so pleeeease...even though we've wrought horrible destruction on our society, our economy and our national reputation...pleeeease don't exact political retribution against us...pleeeease...we didn't mean it...we're nice people...we are...we are...waaaah...no...we didn't mean it....really...we...I...mommmmy."
Yeah...I think that basically sums up his point.
...a conservative, nice or not (most of the ones I've seen who come to progressive blogs and troll around are NOT) saying "we've wrought horrible destruction on our society"..."please"...
I just can't. It's been 69 days (THEY'VE been keeping count, and nitpicking every fricken' day of it) and not ONE of them has apologized for the past 8 years, or their part in it.
being completely wrong and destroying the nation and our society means never having to say you're sorry.
...fuck ups, they can eat shit. Now they're acting as if they have been away for ages and have returned to save the nation from Obama.
Republicans: Thriving on the sheer ignorance of what they hope is the majority. Lol.
That's it exactly. Goldberg and the other "nice" conservatives truly believe that they're the guys in the white hats come to save us all from the Obama administration. It's like life to them is a C-grade movie matinee Western, starring them riding in on their trusty steeds to save the day. And yes, they're such nice people. Oy!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPGfiDzi_Jk
was a nice fellow.
Same goes for that Church-shooter a couple of months ago...
Sure, we can acknowledge that most conservatives are in fact nice people.
Why would you acknowledge something that isn't true except in the most trivial sense of "nice?" "Pleasant" would probably be a more descriptive adjective. There are lots of conservatives who are pleasant people. I know some. But when I examine their deeper beliefs it becomes a lot more difficult to accurately use the word nice to describe them.
Being liberal is certainly no guarantee of niceness. "Ah god...fuckin moron...I wish their stupidity was fatal." Does that sound like a "nice" person?" In fairness, I doubt if this person even wants to be considered nice, but those really don't sound like the words of someone I'd seek out for being nice.
However, if you look at what it takes to be a modern, American conservative, niceness is very likely to be disqualifying. Is anyone who is fundamentally selfish a "nice" person? Not to me.
Where the hell have you been these many wretched years? I guess the playing field has always been level to you.
I too wish stupidity was fatal.
Not when my country is overrun with simple minded assholes that would destroy her.
And I become LESS nice when confronted by BS!
So PLEASE. Excuse the FUCK out of me for not being nice enough for ya.
Now fuck off and get over yourself, you fuckin choad.
And my opinion is that nicey-nice time is over.
We've been steam-rolled for far too long, because we're nice.
It's time the gloves came off.
http://stelpavlou.com/
and create a PUMA movement in the rightwing o'sphere promoting a Palin/Bachman ticket. Maggie Thatcher and Ayn Rand rule.
Somebody comes up with a great freakin' idea!!!
Palin/Bachmann for President/V.P. 2012!
I'm having the bumperstickers printed immediately!
http://stelpavlou.com/
Twice the crazy, with half the brains!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90iR2wWeojk&fe...
Best one yet!
So you're feeling random
Or randy?
who must send out orders to his "squajillions of his slavishly obedient digital stormtrooper jihadis." (See Blog Roundup for details)
ricky!
exposed me to enough marine diesel fumes to overcome the damage
done by yearts of worry over the location of Hitler and JFK's brains.
known to cause memory loss as bad as, if not worse than heavy marijuana use.
Get with the program ladies..You know they f'd up the kids, why does it surprise you that the boys f'd up the country? Palin/Bachmann 2012!
Why do they celebrate 30 years of neocon ass kissing. It seems like they give a lot more tme to these asshats.
Who was that clown?
Hey Goldberg, you are not nice. You are an asshole. Your friends are assholes. Your policies have ruined our country. You failed and failed miserably. You economics suck. Your price for freedom does not make us free. Your compassion is none existent. You and your ilk are not the type of people that we or the rest of the world admire or look up to. In short, you suck.
I would say that the biggest problem with the future of conservatism is that they are allowing intellectually ignorant nepotistic idiots like Goldberg, be the ones who proscribe the roadmap for their future.
So therefore, much like Moses and the Israelites, they can expect to spend the next 40 years wandering in the wilderness.
"According to my political map the distance between my thumb and forefinger is about 1000 miles."
I thought he was just indicating how many inches he can bring....
Apparently not too much - guess gawd endowed his big, brawny, intellectual brain rather than his other parts...Hah!
Back in 1991 when the Minnesota Twins won the series, we had in the Metrodome a sign behind first base that said "We Like It Here". It was up much of the season. Most of the fans ignored it, but when the Twins made the playoffs, it was obvious the whole country was going to see that damn sign. Most of the baseball fans were smart enought to realize that if you have to tell people that "you like it here" without even being asked, then there must be something really wrong with the place. We raised such a stink they had to cover it up, with advertising of couse.
I swear to God that these guys are dumber than a bag of hammers. They absolutely don't get it. If you have to come out and tell people that you're really a human being (not a vampire, zombie, werewolf, homicidal maniac, etc.) then you might be on the wrong side. If people vote you out of office and don't want to talk to you anymore, it might mean that they disagree with your policies. I guess that's just it. The rational folks got it. They moved on or just shut their mouths. The know-nothing 15-20% can't do that. Like a spurned lover, they just keep jabbering away in the hope that we will take them back. Now it's getting a little creepy. Their starting to peek in through the shades, follow us to work, and show up at parties their not invited to. Restraining order anyone?
Carps
Haven't these people done quite enough damage for one century? For starters, I would recommend a GOP 12 step program. Until they abandon their denial and take an accurate self-inventory, they won't go anywhere, unless of course Americans are stupid enough to fall for their garbage again.
American stupidity spicegal!
This country has it's own special kind of stupid
"we can acknowledge that most conservatives are in fact nice people"
-Oh, we can?? And who are the faces in the (current) conservative movement?? Coulter? Limbag? Cantor? Palin? DeLay? Ginrich? Kristol? Goldberg(s)? Krauthammer? Beck? O'Reilly? Hannity?
This conservative movement is based in fear and greed, and Hypocrisy is their leader: They don't want YOU to have the same things they "worked" so hard for.
Their arguments are not based in fact; their arguments are based on 'truthiness' and xenophobia, which helps when your priorities are more about Right and Left than they are about Right and Wrong.
These conservatives only care about holding office so they can further their goal (core belief) that government can't work, so it needs to be eliminated.
I don't understand why anybody would vote into government anybody who claims to despise and hate government.
Yes, it's mind blowing that the latest few elections were so close, especially after the rump-humping 95% of the country has taken since Raygun's 1st term. But, what happened FLA in 2000?
-The Supreme Court made a 1-Time ONLY ruling to appoint a president on the "Amer'can" public. (Re; Bush daddy's life-time appointees in the 'Preme Court owed him at least that much). Ohio in 2004 was a similar travesty. The process was subverted, and public's voices (VOTES) were suppressed.
How Un American is THAT??? -did ANY conservatives demand these violations of basic American rights be investigated?
-No, actually, the only people caught and jailed for voter suppression were (Surprise) republicans.
"...we can acknowledge that most conservatives are in fact nice people"
B.S. Nice people don't cheat, lie, steal, or subvert the public's opinion and American processes for their own purposes and gain.
dswagz,
You said it perfectly.
Nice? The word does have a meaning for a reason...
So's his Underoos.
http://images.google.com/images?sourceid=navc...
......you probably aren't.
If you have tell me I'm nice, it's probably a con job.
... but most conservatives I've known personally -- or read or heard about -- haven't been nice people.
That includes Ronnie, Georges I and II, and Dick.
It's just part of that reptilian, regressive, reactive mind-set. Full of anger, suspicion and catty defensiveness.
It makes me think of someone insisting that the way to start a car is to put a rag in the gas tank and light it on fire. After years of cajoling he finally gets people to believe he is right, so they light the rag on fire and the car blows up. Now they are repairing the car and the original jackass can't believe they are going to use a key to start the car next time when he already won the argument over the proper way to start a car.
Who needs the rag when a beer will do.
http://www.coolest-gadgets.com/wp-content/upl...
alcohol abuse ricky
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9muzyOd4Lh8
http://www.archive.org/details/broadstoneofho...
http://www.archive.org/stream/broadstoneofhon...
No Jonah, true conservatives are not nice people, may I name a fewwwwwwww
cheney, bush rumsfeld ~torture, lie kill and bring devastation, all in the name of democracy. Oh, don't forget fear mongering!
McCain/palin lie and incite people to violence.
Limbaugh, O'reilly, hannity and beck are nasty vindictive lying crazies.
And there are the others who would take away my rights to privacy between my physician and myself.
Or those whose religious fervor want to decide how my religious life should be conducted.
Should I go on? or have I said enough?
In order to gain the political control they've enjoyed over the last ten years, Republican moderates and Reagan conservatives made a pact with the devil (faux Christians, bigots and misanthropes) to achieve the numbers they needed to defeat Democrats. They made a strategic decision to manipulate and exploit the ignorance, fears and hatreds of dysfunctional and vulnerable voters in order to win elections rather than lose them by being intellectually and morally honest.
Today, those who conspired with the devil are caught between wanting to disassociate themselves with and or casting out the devil they empowered and the karmic reality that they don't have the numbers to hold on to or regain power without continuing to accept and "advocate" the immoral values, hypocrisies and corruptions that are dividing and destroying their party.
The survival of today's shrinking Republican Party has become so dependent on extremism that they have no significant power left WITH or WITHOUT the support of America’s increasingly pernicious lunatic fringe.
The idiom "caught between the devil and the deep blue sea" is certainly appropriate as Republicans are facing the dilemma of choosing between two equally undesirable alternatives that both result in Republican impotence in mainstream American politics. They are suffering the consequences of their treachery.
Their irresponsible propping up of George W. Bush cost them their credibility, and their disgraceful and shameless licking of Rush Limbaugh's storm trooper boots is costing them their viability.
It seems to me that 'nice' is a *perfect* description of conservative thought and practice.
It's called BENIGN NEGLECT.
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Dear Jonah Goldberg,
What's a "Liberal Fascist"?
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Someone he disagrees with. I'm convinced the tape playing in his head is a Moëbius strip.
"Fuck you, troll! Read my goddamn book, you liberal scumbag!
::: straightens tie :::
"Now, where was I? Oh, yes ... you see, conservatives are really nice people ..."
Y'all do realize the reason I bring up his latest masterpiece(of sh!t) is because the gaping hole, other than in his mind, is the leap of logic he makes when attempting to close that gap between political ideologies and pin Fascism to Liberalism; Two diametrically opposed ideologies.
In other words...
Dear Mr. Goldberg,
How much B.S. does it take to fill that pie hole of yours?
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doughy pantload just doesn't know his history, or the distinction between two extreme opposing political views, or the terms authoritarianism and totalitarianism.
But then what do you expect? he was homeschooled by his ma lucianne goldberg.
Jonah Goldberg is a Rube.
He just made up a ridiculous convoluted argument for how to fix the reichwing. And it obviously won't work, nor will it accomplish anything.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3LiXJOQ8I0
By this point, the word conservatism should be considered a synonym for the word lying.
..but anyone who loves the fetus and hates the child isn't okay in my book. Conservatism might have worked if it wasn't for all the greedy f**ks who happen to be conservative. That's the problem; conservatives are delusional if they think their way is the only way or that economic reality can be based on some laissez-faire principles. Enron, Ken Lay, Bernie Madoff, AIG, repeal of Glass-Steagall, Joe the Plumber, Sarah Palen: all basking in the conservative economic glow!
Sorry..ramblin' today.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhYy26-kV1g
is that the media gives him and the rest of the neonazis the microphone to get their propaganda out and we are not addressing that fact.
The media has confused objectivity with airing GOP talking points.
When will conservative like Jonah learn apply their own political beliefs to themselves.
Jonah is right inbetween Glen Beck and Bill ORielly. This leaves him so very confused. But as long as the GOP and their supporters are willing to pay him to speak out in confusion. Its a living.
He strikes me as being a dork. He's haughty. Thinks his ideas are far superior to anyone else's. He's the opposite of the touchy feely type that he cited Brooks as writing about. And he's in a position where he is attempting to recruit young readers to conservative rags. Conservatism doesn't work for THE PEOPLE. It works for the ELITE. It works for the MONIED. It works for CORPORATIONS and the STATUS QUO. It has no other allegiance. How can that be comforting to PEOPLE? Not only is Goldberg an apologist dork, but he is delusional. But, that's what pays the bills. He's just a whore for the conservative cause like so many others whose livelihoods depend on maintaining the status quo. He doesn't have anything worthwhile to say. It's a repeat of what we've had shoved down our throats for the last 30 years. A reaction and rejection is only natural.
goldbooger's a few jumbo Big Macs shy of a Happy Meal.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1XIK9y9z-Y
Isn't that advocating violence?
I am just worried that he's not eating right.
I mean...look at him...he's about to waste away!
I already though he was a waist of human flesh.
Several waists, in fact
What a doughy pantload.
Funny how Jonah complains that conservatives are seen as uptight while he rambles on with a bright red face.
What Jonah is really trying to do here is make any criticism of conserva-TISM be perceived as a criticism of conserva-TIVES. Thus Jonah attempts a subtle censorship: making the criticism of an idea seem like an ad hominem attack.
I remember upbraiding a friend who writes for the WAPO about the wankishness of David Broder. The response? "David Broder is a really nice guy." This thinking lurks deep in the Village Mind.
It's also a tactic that seeks to feed into the victimhood of conservatives. It's not "nice" to attack "nice" people. Especially when the attacker is a "mean", "angry" liberal.
You'd think this kind of thing would be easy to debunk - how nice is torture, really? Cheney may have tortured a few people but he's really a nice guy? But again, the Village mind has been infected with it so the usual pushback usually doesnt work.
But this goes to the heart of the problem: being a "nice person" as a way of covering up support for repugnant behavior. In fact this largely explains why political campaigns have become such personality contests.
the folks who want to make criticism of ISrael seem to be criticism of Jews...
Who says that boy's not Jewish?
Whasshe doing with his fingers
Describing the size of his penis?
Conservatives are plain ignorant fools.
Conservatives were alienated by the Republican Party beginning around 1998, and they've demonstrated their disgust by either voting Democrat or simply not voting in the years that have followed. There are very few remaining in the party today. McCain was a worthless nominee who had no business running for president, and he's never been supported by the real conservatives in this country (see CPAC straw polls). Anyone who associates the Bush years with conservative ideologies are sadly ignorant of the real definition of conservative (see Ron Paul). It's sad to see how intellectually dishonest the current political debate has become. This country has been duped into associating conservatism with a Republican party having long ago abandoned conservative ideologies. Bush played his part brilliantly in propagating this lie.
Horsepucky.
Bush was always identified with the conservative agenda. It wasn't until after the 2006 elections and the Right realized they had a disaster on their hands that they started claiming he wasn't a real conservative.
A classic example: A quote from the 2003 CPAC gathering:
Social conservative doesn't necessarily mean fiscal conservative. This is especially true of the Bush bandwagon.
No conservative would ever advocate a tax cut without matching cuts in government spending. Anyone professing to be a conservative and taking the position Bush took is nothing more than a liar.
"Nice" people don't torture others. Sorry about your definitional dissonance.
Shrub does lie brilliantly, much as my dog's daily lawn deposit is a work of art.
Heh. Jonah made the Boston Phoenix's "100 Unsexiest Men List".
I find it amusing that you point the finger at the Republican Party for running a perpetual smear campaign across the ages. We won't have an honest politician in Washington until someone stands up, cuts through all the b.s. and says, "All of us, Democrat and Republican alike, are completely self-absorbed and full of crap." Both parties are living lavish lifestyles at the taxpayers' expense, and none of them are worth a single penny of it. You want hope for the future? Then start pushing for term limits for people in Congress. I'm sick of all the lifers playing political favorites.
Jonah is the abstinence poster child.
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