Tea Party Republican warns that the next step after 'the ballot box' is 'the bullet box'
By David Neiwert Thursday Jul 16, 2009 6:00pm
We already noticed that the latest round of "Tea Parties" on July 4 in many places became forums for Mad Hatters and March Hares: far-right conspiracists and various extremist belief systems, including the "Birthers". Now Not Larry Sabato has a prime example from a Tea Party in Virginia, where a Republican legislative candidate named Catherine Crabill got up and said the following:
Crabill: [Quoting Patrick Henry] "If war is inevitable, then let it come, I repeat sir, let it come."
We have the chance to fight this battle at the ballot box before we have to resort to the bullet box. But that's the beauty of our Second Amendment right. I am glad for all of us who enjoy the use of firearms for hunting, but make no mistake, it was not the intent of the Founding Fathers. Our Second Amendment right was to guard against tyranny!
You have to wonder what Crabill will do if she fails at the ballot box. Get out her bullets?
This particular threat, voiced with these phrases -- that, failing "the ballot box," people will turn to "the bullet box" -- has been around for awhile. It was fairly common in use among militia leaders of the 1990s, and was often used as a kind of threat. For instance, environmental leaders in western Washington were told: "If we can't get you at the ballot box, we'll get you with a bullet. We have a militia of 10,000."
More recently, a far-right "Patriot" named Greg Evenson wrote a piece last year, before the election, titled "The Choice is Simple: The Ballot Box, or the Bullet Box", which warned that a massive roundup of American "patriots" was being planned:
I can find not a single bit of information to recommend to you that Barack O’Bama has the credentials, moral character, history, birth records, experience or constitutional knowledge to hold the office of president. This nation and what is left of freedom is ABSOLUTELY doomed if this evil man and his minions are place in the Oval Office. I implore you to consider your alternatives. Do Not support or vote for this predator who feeds on freedom.
... What came through was a vast list of standing orders and action units that are being funded and trained by Washington for use in this country for the near term. The results will be disastrous beyond description if these measures are implemented. They will turn the American people, who will by then finally be aware of their plight, into vengeful mobs. All in the name of peace and safety, many police officers will implement the Illuminati’s great master plan for the taming of America.
There is little that makes me more uneasy than glassy-eyed paranoiacs fingering their triggers nervously. Right behind are the Republican officials and right-wing pundits who give mainstream legitimacy to their rantings.
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Where is the Bush Doctrine when we need it?
That's only used when stealing another country's oil.
If there's a one percent chance the teabaggers might strike Cheney must consider it a certainty.
In what respect, Charlie?
Yikes! I don't think we need no stinkin' bush doctrine thanks, but thanks anyway. :)
"Bush Doctrine" my ass. According to Cheney [see cheney doctrine] there's a 100% chance the Bush Doctrine will end in global catastrophe.
HA! Made my morning.
Here in Chicago, you could see the real message on the faces of those racist anarchists. Good times or bad, we don't want a n****r running our country.
i grew up a democrat in a republican household.
that was a pure nightmare, i know what it is like
to have a gaggle of boisterous morons spewing their
bile continuously. needless to say once i was old
enough to move out, i was gone. i am totally
embarrassed by my family and over the years have
spent NO TIME with them. they have not changed
and are just FOOLS, the lot of them.
April 16: Actress and activist Janeane Garofalo talks about the purpose the conservative tea parties served for the Republican Party and whether those goals were achieved.
I wonder how much good that 6th grade educated toothless domestic terrorist hillbilly's box of bullets would do against a predator drone if the fedrul guvment really wanted to take her out?
teh stupid it hurts.
Dangerous, yes. But they haven't been properly educated.
It's the faux-"self made" Republicans that are far more annoying IMO.
Doesn't she sound like Scott Malkinson?
Hee hee.
If you don’t vote for us, we’ll kill you.
They couldn't steal the last election so the next best thing is secession or armed rebellion against democracy.
An armed rebellion against demoracy , love it too funny , sad but true .
I say secede, already. Jesus.
At first, when I started hearin about these knuckleheads wanting to secede...I was like no, we need to keep the country unified...but the more I think about it..the better it sounds...yes let them secede, and declare war on us, then we'll whup their butts...again, and then there will be a lot less ignorant fucktards in this country.
a sci-fi novel by Richard Morgan (British author). The novel is set in a future in which the US has splint into the (Pacific Rim), the North American Union and the "Republic", referred to by other Amerians as "Jesus Land".
Not the point of the book, just the milieu in which it was set....
You mean THIS video?
"Cheney: Vote for us or die."
You gotta love right-wingers. They're so transparent. Talk about arrested development. "If we don't get our way, we start shooting."
follow us or die Infidels ...oh wait, the Christian Fundies believe that as well
in the same stupid pod.
and are murder convictions just waiting to happen. :(
sociopaths, you're better off checking Congress, government, law enforcement, the military and corporations. And prisons.
I couldn't agree more. The scary thing is, some of these wackos are running our Governments. Both Federal and local. If you dug deep enough, I'm sure you would find Republicans underneath it all. It was at the end of the presidential campaign that this extreme radical and racist crap started to rear it's ugly head and it all started in McCain/Palin camp.
The GOP can not be trusted any longer.
The governments of this country are infested with Anti government looney types. This country is doomed.
They speak in generalities to keep out of trouble, but the question still hangs in the air:
Exactly WHO is their target?
Theres a power struggle going on for the hearts and minds of the wingnut right.
perhaps they will form sects...
I'm guessing that a bunch of tired ol' white people who think they own this planet, haven't yet gotten the message that THEY LOST!!!!
........and YES..........I'm white and old..........:)
to see who they come up with in '12 to run against BHO.
Romney/Gingrich...barring a scandal.
The "MBA president II" who doesn't mind being led around by the nose and the consummate Dick-Cheney-wannabe, pulling strings in secret and trying to implement all kinds of anti-Constitutional bullshit.
How did the un-constitution party become the official opposition again? and why are they still here? How was it able to hoodwink everyone for all those years?
National Bohemian, tonight, folks.
Seriously.
Oh I see, the founding fathers did not intend that the 2nd Amendment protect Americans' right to hunt, it was instead a fail-safe against anything but a far-right style of government. If the people mistakenly elected a left-leaning government, or even one that was not far enough to the right, then they were to use those guaranteed arms to impose the will of the lunatic minority onto the majority.
Way to protect against tyranny by threatening violence if the election doesn't go your way.
Ya, and way to fail to see the irony.
One of the great phrases in the Declaration is "a decent respect for the opinions of mankind." In other words, if you are going to claim the right to rebel, you have to be ready to explain to the world, as Jefferson did, in fairly explicit language, how you have been wronged and oppressed. And it has to make sense to someone besides your buddies.
Malcolm X used this language also. If we believe in our Declaration of Independence, we believe in the right of rebellion. I don't disagree with the principle she cites. I just don't think she has a basis in justice for citing it.
The Declaration of Independence inspired, and still inspires, people around the world. Is there anything that this group of extraordinarily wealthy and privileged insular white Americans could say that would resonate with the rest of the world? I'd like to see them explain to the average Bolivian or Ugandan or exactly how oppressed they are.
Well put. "We're all Georgians now..." and bullshit quotes like this and Hoekstra's comparisons to the Iranian protesters recently frame their faux outrage quite well. They have no brilliance, so, they'll attempt to confuse with bs.
Most of these people are Christians, and far-right Christians THINK they are being persecuted. The early Christians in ancient Rome who were used as lion-chow or as street lighting (imagine a kkk cross-burning...while someone was on the cross) might have a thing or two to say to that idea.
don't you mean these people "were" Christians, or something?
A history professor once told me outside the classroom something to the affect of "The Romans had the most thriving and culturally and artistically advanced society of the day. Then the Chrisitians came along with their religion and tried to bring it all to a screeching halt. The more you learn about the history of Christianity and it's detrimental affects on societies the more you come to understand why the Romans threw them to the lions."
"Jesus is cool but some of his followers give me the creeps." That pisses off Bible thumper wingnuts in a nanosecond!
Thomas Bowdler edited out a lot of Gibbon's criticism of Christianity. A notable modern censor, he also did a "family" version of Shakespeare. As such he came down in history as the eponym "Bowdlerize" -- similar to Sadism and Masochism.
Bottom line. Latin, black and gay Americans are getting their equal rights and as a result the mouth breathing gun toten white backwater conservatives feel their freedumbs are being threatened as a result.
Well at least we now know what they've been hiding behind those stuffed shirts and all that false pride.
Anecdotal view of TX Tea Party Supporters
What do ALL of the following items have in common?:
*Pistol Bag carrying case
*Glenn Beck’s - An Inconvenient Book : Glenn Beck, Kevin Balfe (Hardcover, 2007)
*Rifle laser light
*Civil War Bullets
*Rifle Kit
*NWT Qi Man White Full Coverage Training Bra Size
*Outdoor Survival Board Game
*Zimbabwe 100 Trillion Banknotes
*Silver Coins
*Cold Coins
*Jungle Boots
*Military Field Wire Cable Phone Install Use Equipment
*Schnauzer Argyle Socks
*Tif 8800 Combustible Gas Detector
*NEW Transforming Werewolf Lumberjack Plush Toy Vault
*Rifle Site
*3” Cohesive Tape Bandage Vet Wrap Wound Care 24 Rolls
*Rifle Magazine Clips
*Oval Shooting Targets
*Fibercon - 140 Caplets, Fiber Therapy for “regularity” needs.
All are actual Fox Tea Bagger supporters’ purchases. Actual Ebay items purchased by the 33 Ebay users who also purchased the official T-Shirt for the July 4, 2009 San Antonio, Texas Tea Party protest.
Amazing! Ok, now how good of cross section is that? Like, did only 33 buy the EBay shirts and something else?
good question. most bought a T-shirt and something else. the odd part though was the military related items were spread out amongst a greater portion than I would have imagined. There were a few though who definitely looked like savy price conscience "survivialists".
Not being too familiar with eBay I was wondering if you could explain how you know what these people bought?
Thanks!
...or quite a few other shopping sites, there's a suggestive sales feature that says something like, "People who purchased this order also purchased...," and then it will list what those people bought. Some of those sites will also show you how many people have purchased the (original) item.
Andy K,
Thanks for this. I realize now that I have seen that at Amazon and other places, and now I see that it is much more interesting than I first thought.
It's all legal and available to any Ebay user.
At Ebay, go into the feedback lisitngs of a particular seller to view comments from their buyers. By clicking on the Ebay BUYERS ID number you are able to view feedback for their items they've purchased up to a certain date. To view the in date items, click on the view item link.
I used this process as a way to find buyers who had good taste when researching for antique collectibles and the categories that were used to sell items in.
The tea bagger search was from the ebay user id of the the "Official San Antonio Tea Party T-Shirt". I was just curious to see if the stereotypes of the tea bagger folks were fact or fiction. Bear in mind, there were 33 buyers, but each buyer could have from 1 or two recent buys to a page or more. The alarmng part to me: the military related items were NOT with just one individual but spread out amongst the 33 buyers. Its all relavtive I suppose.
seem to sound like pretty standard stuff for the idiot TX teabaggers who are preparing for another civil war, until I got to the Schnauzer argyle socks.......LOL! What?
wtf?
So what exactly IS a bullet box? Or is this twit just trying (and failing) to be clever?
Failing to be clever and succeeding to seem schizoid.
I would assume the box the bullets come in.
Sometimes the simplest explanation is best;)
http://www.surplusandadventure.com/images/pro...
Available at army surplus stores. Pretty useful for storing nuts and bolts, small tools, etc. More or less waterproof.
These people just aren't very persuasive, are they?
Looks like another former resident of the Family's C Street House was doing hanky panky. Former Rep. Chip Pickering (MS), who left Congress in 2007 to become a lobbyist. And yes, another of those self-professed holier than thou right-wing fundamentalists.
The twist? It's Pickering's wife who's suing his mistress for alienation of affection. Claimed in the lawsuit that some of the hanky-panky did occur in the C Street House.
The RNC could get a whole bunch of hits on its web site if it would present its own reality show: Republican Fundamentalist Frat House.
Wow. Right-wing-rats are everywhere. Right in peoples neighborhoods! Yuk!
The C Street Dominionists have been anointed by God to be great leaders. Therefore, their little foibles and mistakes are to be ignored, because they're here on the planet to do the work of Baby Jesus. We know this because they tell us themselves.
Really, comments like this should be seen as the threats they are. Right-wing nut jobs are telling you to vote the way they want or they will start shooting.
I'm tired of them trying to keep people from voting.
You're exactly right!
It's called terrorism.
Bill Liely and Beckey are the snake charmers.
Too bad they blend in with the indigenous [American citizenry] people so well, or the FBI might consider them.
...tyranny?
Oh, since the Republicans have been losing the elections. So they're only in favour of democracy only when they win?
And if they lose an election because people don't want to vote for them, THAT'S tyranny, and reason enough to bring on a revolution. But...wouldn't killing other Americans because they didn't vote your way be considered "tyranny"?
Duh. I'ts okay if you are Republican. In their minds it only works one way.
is such a sick dumb fuck. I don't even know what to say after listening to this garbage.
Obviously you are all very open minded here. It is clear to you that this person is a mainstream, normal Republican and spokesperson for the Tea Party set.
If I were to say that all (place a stereotype here) are crackheads you would call me a racist profiler. And call the ACLU to sue me. And you should.
This person is on the fringe, and actually sounds dangerous to me in so many ways.
If you were to see me with a gun (at a gun range, lets say) does that make me some sort of wacko? What if I told you that far more Americans own guns than don't own guns? Are most of us wacko?
If I am volunteering at a school helping kids learn to read am I a saint? I am still the same guy that owns the guns.
I think you all need to think about how senseless it is to name call and hoot and holler. Just because a bunch of stupid old white guys did it for a long time doesn't make it a good idea. And even though I may be an old white guy, I thought it was wrong when they did it too, and I told them so. I did not want to associate with them any more than I want to associate with anyone that fails to treat others with respect.
I voted for our current President (in the primary, too) because it was clear that we needed a change. The change has to be for all of us, and be part of all of us. Swapping name-calling racist Republicans for name-calling racist Democrats gets us absolutely no where.
Sorry to rain on the parade.
Thank you for humbling me. Sometimes we all need that.
Profiling and taking lone wackos as representatives of larger groups are two different fallacies (kind of the reverse of each other, actually). But in any case, neither one is going on here. The wackos have always been around; the problem is that now we have "mainstream" people like Glenn Beck, O'Reilly, Hannity, Bachmann etc. cheering them on with only slightly more subtle calls for armed revolution. That's why this is bigger than just this particular wacko on the fringe - there are lots of them, who have suddenly been spurred into buying more and more guns, they've been killing more people in the last six months, and they get support from people who aren't perceived as fringe.
Ah, the smell of concern troll in the morning.....It smells like, well, crap, to be perfectly honest. David, these people are not on the fringe anymore. They stopped being the lunatic fringe the minute their spokespeople (hello there Ann, Billo, Glenn Beck, Bernie Goldberg) started getting a national platform aka Fox News. So you "voted for our current president" eh? Big freakin' deal;you won't even refer to him by name. Lastly, I don't give a flying f*ck how many people own guns, as far as I'm concerned, there are too many. As long as we've got people (and I use the term very loosely)using the public space to advocate hatred and violence, people on sites such as this will continue to call them out for the knuckle dragging idiots they are.
Gene,
Catherine Crabill is not mainstream and would not be interesting if she was. I think we have to have room to voice different opinions, but calling everyone that disagrees with you "knuckle dragging idiots" isn't necessarily conducive to discussion.
Are you saying that there are not "liberals" that also advocate hatred and violence?
I say we should get beyond categorizing and cubby-holing each other so we can fix the problems - primarily education and health care in my book.
All I am trying to incite is intelligent discussion. Crabill and David Neiwert are the trolls that are trying to get us to fight instead of fix things.
But then you accuse Neiwert of:
Yeah, you are a concern troll. You come here acting as if you agree, but then prove that your disingeunousness- or utter lack of reading comprehension skills- with comments like that.
These people are dangerous. They're also anti-American bullies, in that they totally disregard the fact that THEY LOST THE ELECTION.
What you teabaggers don't seem to understand is that the event you claim to be reenacting- the Boston Tea Party- wasn't a protest against taxes, but a protest against the fact that American colonists did not have the right to send representatives to Parliament to voice their opinions and vote on the taxes being imposed upon them. Their slogan was, "No taxation without representation," not, "No taxation, period!"
David regularly portrays these militiamen, neo-Confederates and klansmen for what they are: potentially violent, dangerous thugs who will force their views on the rest of us with bullets rather than ballots. They are anti-democratic. They are petty tyrants themselves. And we are all better off knowing that they are out there, talking about taking shots at us.
Your concern seems to be that David is setting these people off by pointing out what they're up to. But they'd be up to it if David wasn't reporting on it. You know that this is true, yet you comment as if it isn't. "Concern troll" is a perfect description for you. Take it from someone who loathes seeing those accusations tossed around thoughtlessly.
or maybe he actually does agree with the basic sentiment of this site, but doesn't think this kind of stuff is relevant.
If its "concern trolling" to input a different perspective on the subject, then I think this site could use more concern trolls.
Ya, but Dave should know that Neiwert is a blogger not a troll.
Dave should also know that the teabaggers are not interested in education or keeping people healthy.
No.
From the first post:
Because everyone knows that the first things that libtards do when they want to kill something is call the ACLU. That's a huge red flag right there.
David signed up a bit over 2 hours ago and began posting comments on this thread and this thread only. He's a teabagger. He probably uses Digg to find the sites that mention Tea Parties in the headline then goes there to comment. Just like the Paulists.
Personally, I read C&L for years before I ever commented. And everytime I almost commented, it was because I didn't agree with a post, so I would have looked like a concern troll, but really I just wanted to discuss.
You might be right, but you're assuming. I think "troll" is often used to dismiss people on here. You do address his points - which I think is healthy discussion, but I don't agree with the troll part.
Andy K,
I apologize. The ACLU comment was a bit flip. The idea that all of you can hate someone based on what you THINK their ideas are really bothers me. And that was the point I was trying to make.
I was referred to this story by someone I follow on Twitter, but because they were promoting the site. I have never commented before, that is true, but today something got to me - the idea that you all could believe that Catherine and Rush and Pat and Glenn speak for a huge number of Americans. I don't think they do. I think they are idiots, and a very big part of the problem. I wish that Glenn had yelled at me to get off his phone, but alas I have not wasted my time calling him.
My feeling still is that we spend a lot of time yelling at each other and judging each other, and I was just trying to point out that it is not productive. Still isn't, won't ever be.
The blogger - David Neiwert - is inciting this. He is making her into a bigger deal than any rational person would consider her to be. That is why I suggested he is the real "concern troll" here as he is taking us away from the the discussion of the problem and focusing us on the useless noise that surrounds us.
I am not a "Tea Party-er" and I am quite aware of the original purpose of the "tea party" that these people are playing at. I don't think they are helping things either.
I appreciate Manic's and (and other's) comments, and apologize again to any of you that I offended with the ACLU comment.
I will admit that I tend to be conservative in some ways, but that usually stems from my feeling that we should be self-reliant and not expect big government (or big business, or even our big brother) to take care of us. Conversely I do believe that I have to help take care of those that can't help themselves (to the extent that I can). Mostly I choose to do that through supporting education. If you look at those countries in the world with healthier citizens, less violence, less poverty, less crime and happier people than we have here you will find that they are also better educated. I think that education "causes" all those other things.
But all of that is off-topic, so I have made myself into a troll.
..stupidity isn't.
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"Are you saying that there are not "liberals" that also advocate hatred and violence?"
Give me one example of a Liberal committing an act of violence. I'm waiting....... Didn't think you could. I'm not getting into a pointless, protracted argument; I stand by what I originally posted.
But I have yet to hear someone point to an actual incident of a violent liberal attack.
I can think of half a dozen Right Wingers off the top of my head, just from this year:
1) The Florida guy who shot and killed two Central American exchange students because he thought they were illegals.
2) The Knoxville church manifesto killer, who was out to shoot as many liberals as he could.
3) The guy who just killed the abortion doctor a couple weeks ago.
4) The cop shooter in Philly, who was a Glenn Beck aficionado.
5) The "Minute Men" in Arizona who just killed a father and his 9-year-old daughter in cold blood, so they could buy more guns for "the cause."
6) The other church shooter in California who shot and killed the preacher.
Even the left-wing terrorists, like ELF and the Weather Underground went out of their way to ensure nobody got hurt while they were making their "statements."
You know, at first it was easy to dismiss these statements as just a few crackpots.. but when you hear it more and more often, and the threat of violence is constantly echoing in their rhetoric, both obvious and implied, it starts to get very scary. Very scary indeed.
these morons have no idea how many well armed liberal Vietnam Vets are distributed around this country. Those teabagging freaks really, really don't want to start something that we will need to finish. Folks in my neck of the woods are really getting tired of their lame BS.
Not every person that owns gun(s) is a crackpot teabagger. There are many liberals that own guns.
the goopers visions of reality are distorted at best. ;)
Well, it is terrorism after all.
Exactly.
is let these right-tards come for me.
I got something for their punk asses...
Dude, my husband is seriously thinking about getting a gun. His politics lie just a little to the left of Jesus and he thinks he might need a gun because of these psychos. This was especially cemented when he went to a local gun show with my grandfather, and saw how easy it was to arm yourself with weapons no hunter would ever need. Unless, of course, you're out hunting hippies and brown people...which was no doubt the goal of at least some of them.
pundits who give mainstream legitimacy to their rantings."
And, right behind them are such MSM mainstays as Tweety on Hardball. He an Buchanan start attacking the NAACP's John Payton around 5:57. I would say that's mighty whitey of him!
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036697/#31950216
Actually, what it first reminded me of was the IRA's Armalite and ballot box. Another group that couldn't win an election even among the people they claimed to represent and turned to terrorism in response. We all know how well that went.
Catherine,
You reference the writings of the Founding Fathers, who revolted against a monarchy that taxed them without giving them fair representation (which is why today we have representatives chosen by fair and transparent elections.)
In all the writings of our Founding Fathers, you'll never find anything like, "a government of, by and for the people EXCEPT when the people vote for a liberal or when they vote in favor of big-spending social programs."
If people vote for government-run healthcare, it's still a democracy. If the people vote for a Communist, it's still a democracy. If people vote for a monkey, it's still a democracy. Democracy means, the ballot rules in the U.S. And when the bullet rules, THAT is "tyranny."
If you cared about your country, you certainly wouldn't be out there preaching armed revolt against our DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED OFFICIALS. Or encouraging conservatives to act out their frustrations by shooting fellow Americans because they don't agree with their political views. Wouldn't THAT be "tyranny"?
By the way, your claims that you were selectively edited by the "liberal" media don't hold up after one reads your website, which seems long on "Tea Party" rhetoric and short on actual policy issues. I suggest you find something substantive to offer voters if you want to be a viable candidate.
think violence is the only way to take back actual representative government from the democratically elected people who've bought, lied and stole their way into power.
And I'm not talking about you or some commenter on a blog, I'm talking about a politician who's running for office or a well-known author or talking head on the MSM.
There's no evidence that the leaders of the American Left are out there preaching violent government overthrow or that Leftist zealots are committing acts of violence against political opponents.
There are plenty of actual acts of violence that can be directly attributed to the persuasive rhetoric of Right-Wing politicians, leaders and powerful media ideologues. I can think of half a dozen specific murders committed on behalf of these leaders in the past few months.
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Yeah...didn't think so.
If you cared about your country, you certainly wouldn't be out there preaching armed revolt against our DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED OFFICIALS. Or encouraging conservatives to act out their frustrations by shooting fellow Americans because they don't agree with their political views. Wouldn't THAT be "tyranny"?
Actually it would be sedition which is just this side of treason.
If people vote for a monkey, it's still a democracy
We did elect a monkey, twice.
We had two elections stolen from us.
talkers are mostly in front. The majority of wingnuts are right-wing authoritarians--followers, not leaders. The Coburns and Limbaughs rile these people up because then it's easier to get them to support the corporatist agenda that is really at the heart of the Repug/corporate media project. Scare them with brown people and homosexuals and they'll vote against their own interests every time--even when they know they're being used. It's a continual application of the Shock Doctrine. If Limbaugh, Hannity and the rest were to disappear from the airwaves tomorrow, millions of Americans would start milling around like concussed sheep. Replace the haters with reasoners and the saintly, and most of America would get much calmer and more peaceful.
But then the Repugs and corporatists couldn't pass their hateful laws and continue bilking the country--so the hate-talkers will go on and on.
Let me put it as clearly as possible, in a contest between these para-military idjits and the REAL military, bet on the real military. As I made mention of a couple days ago in another thread, they dont have the equipment to win in a real revolution (tanks, air support, artillery). This is not the 18th century or the mid 19th century where you could stockpile a bunch of guns and maybe grab up a few cannons, I know many of these people love the Civil War but the days of that type of warfare are long gone...the First World War changed everything.
Unless these people can create ammunition factories and an aerospace industry for themselves, they will quickly find themselves massively outgunned. I suppose many of them think that the military will flock to their side which only suggests how truly delusional they really are, sedition and treason are not military virtues.
In another thread I speculated that when it came to the hate talkers who whip these know-nothings up into a frenzy, the only way we'll truly break their power is for them to discredit themselves. I thought that historically, far-right movements escalate to violence which in the end is what wakes people up to the evil being practiced; the Nazi's, Jim Crow segregation. I stated that what might wind up happening is another Oklahoma City incident, more Waco's and Ruby Ridge standoffs, and killing sprees that I likened to lynch mobs.
Anything could happen, this is my worse-case scenario, but the idea that these intellect and history challenged people are going to fight and win a revolution against our modern military is just dumb even for them. Their only hope is an Iraq-like insurgency.
when these nuts do attack something? 5 thousand nuts with random guns attacking an army base or takeing over a small town or something. What's going to happen then? Are people going to at last wake up and see what these groups really are.
At what point will people see these groups are terrorist.
are any indication, then I don't really see them waking up to see these groups as domestic terrorists. Just in the last 48 hours they have come out in droves to support the three soldiers who are refusing to be deployed based on their assertion that the president is not the commander in chief. They don't think he has given them "proof" he was born on US soil. These birthers see this as just the beginning of more and more servicemen and women turning against the democratically elected government and siding with the "true patriots" who are going to take back their country. They cannot be reasoned with because they are not reasonable people. They don't want anyone to point out facts, because they only believe their own facts. There are even those who now think that there is some conspiracy involving vaccinations for the swine flu. This is being sent all over with links to youtube that the government is involved in some nefarious plan to give a flu vaccine against our will. I think we are close to reaching a tipping point here, and I don't know what these nuts are capable of. I mean Timothy McVeigh was part of a small group and look what he did. This is a much bigger problem
Well, since she is a cave woman, I guess it is safe to say that she WAS living in a cave the past 8 years of tax spend and deficit.
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Vote for us or die?
More like vote for us or we'll fucking kill you.
of George W Bush having the "constitutional knowledge to hold the office of president."
..world. Imagine if we REALLY had a tyranical government (not like W's, a real one) and this person spewed that poison. What would that government do? Doncha' think they'd be locked up and have horrid things done to her and her ilk? So, here she is preaching insurrection with weapons and to the detriment of us all (and its against the law of the land she loves), she'll get a totally, free pass. And these people complain.
Would never make these statements on the streets of Moscow. Can you imagine her speaking to a group of people in North Korea? The government would have her butt in hard labor prison in no time. That's if they don't execute her instead.
After these "informed voters" gave us eight years of Zippy the Pinhead as preznit.
http://www.seattlemet.com/image_cache/assets/...
So many many people are 'informed' to ignore the stuffed ballot boxes
by Acorn in order to win elections in '57' States. And true to form, they look the other way. These individuals do not see how the office in power decides to 'ignore' any Acorn offenses....even though it was even clear what happened once again just recently in Minnesota with the new lunatic Senator. No doubt if the ballot box is gone, there is nothing left but the bullet box.
When will these blind 'hopeful' liberals open their eyes and see that the current govt is completely corrupted (via Chicago: hint). Anyone can look back to the Bush admin and say how bad they were. What patriots are saying: "Enough! To All Corruption!"
Ahhh yes, of course they did. You don't have any proof of it but it must be true. The Bush DOJ appointees were still in office before and after the election and could have stopped it, but they didn't for some odd reason, so it must be true.
ACORN has been around since 1970, but you wing nuts have just now discovered their existence. You're a little slow on the uptake, huh'?
Name calling not necessary unless you have a weak opinion.
Acorn was in Chicago in 1970 when I was...along with Black Panthers.
Obama was keen on using this organization to get himself elected in Illinois. Obviously, everyone but you know this.
Obviously, you want so badly to believe that Obama is good. Hopeful no doubt. That's why all his history is kept under lock and key...so you can't see his real records.
If calling you a 'wingnut' offends you then the weakness is in YOU, not my opinion. My opinion about the smegma you're going on about is incredibly strong.
The Panthers were around at the same time as ACORN? *gasp* That is shocking. //end sarcasm//
You're still talking irrationally.
WHAT!?
Put down teh meth there homer.
It's doin a number on your brain.
The Chicago chapter of the Black Panthers are presently irrelevant here. They couldn't have helped Obama politically or financially even if they wanted to. You clearly don't/can't think for yourself.
Btw, is being criminally insane as well as racist a prerequisite to be a Tea bagger?
you need to get a life and stop listening to Rush and stop subscribing to all those idiot rags that get sent to you in the mail.
I think Rush tries to bring the news....but his delivery is offensive at times and rarely listen to him. He is far better than MSNBC, CNN, NBC etc. but I don't listen to them as well. These news channels are programmed.
You're obviously a rightwingnut if you think el rashbo "tries to bring the news"...he's a fascist propagandist. Period, end of story.
Oh wait...he's a pill poppin pedophile too. So he's got THAT goin for him.
You've been so well programmed by the righwing propaganda machine that you function better than Microsoft Windows!
You "think" Rush tries to bring the news...actually, he ONLY brings his biased opinion, that of the angry old white man. And if your screen name is any indication, you must be another one, a member of the same cult.
Your massive concern is noted. But if your 'bullet box' can't stop a sidewinder missile, then you just might find yourself in a bit of a deadly situation (with you on the short end of the stick).
Did you know that the maker of the voting machines, Diebold, actually was a contributor to the Bush campaign back in the day?
Boxes don't have to be 'stuffed' if you can manipulate the voting machines.
"Doh!"
...every rally, every event starts normally with moderate views and opinions. Everything quickly devolves however by about the third go 'round when the ugly voices and opinions of the quacks come to light, and the "mainstream republican" voice says and does nothing, thereby endorsing it.
Actually Nathan Hale is among my ancestors
Like him I was well hung.
If I ran for office, I wonder what voters would think of me?
bullet box initiatives are supported by "The Family" and C Street.
...the bullet boxes used by the founders of this country were so important to us all.
Unfortunately for all of us, when you have a current govt that is lawless (masquerading as attorneys) cozy little America tends to become not real comfortable. No one wants violence (F Street). No one except every the damn terrorists in the Middle East. I am going to bear arms to protect my country. Obama can't take our guns away so he is now trying to get expired dates on all ammunition. Are you still hopeful he is doing this for 'your' good? Get out from under the bed.
What is rosie with too many Americans under 49, they are naive to think (with current govt ideology) that we should just give our country away to....them...the new world owners. Bush talked about this new world order. Did you see his face last Sept. Scared shitless!
I suspect Saudi Arabia or China 'owns' us by now and Obama the Muslim is doing what they demand (bowing to the King). One has to be real blind to think Obama does not have another agenda.....and it has little to do with
Americans. Hell! He can't even get off slavery that he never in is life experienced! He sat is a church for 20 years that denounced America! Amazing he goes back on his promises, lies, tells half-truths and the media just looks the other way. All this hate after being paid free university as a foreign student! Amazing that the media looks the other way!
Look the other way....just like the stuffed ballot boxes by Acorn.....or state like true Patriots.....enough is enough with all corruption!!!
Pull up your pants and go sit down, you're embarrassing yourself.
You're repeating a load of nonsense that no sane person believes.
Nothing to do with pants lifting or shirt ripping. You need to read history....and get off the couch.
have read history. Obviously, you haven't.
That is why I know you're embarrassing yourself with this right wing garbage.
You must be talking about the Bush/Cheney administration. Nothing but lawlessness and Constitution trashing by those two and their cabal. Let's see, Bush sold the US to China when he invaded Iraq and when he escalated the national debt. And it was George W. Bush that was seen kissing the Sheik. If you think that the Obama administration created this massive deficit, then you must have had your head in the sand for 8 years. Your statements indicate that you know nothing.
When it comes to safety, expiration dates on ammunition is not a bad idea. I would not feel safe using ammunition that expired. If you knew anything about ammunition and science, you would know that gunpowder can become unstable after a prolonged period of time. Moisture and oxygen seem to get into everything. Using bad ammunition is like using a gun that wasn't cleaned. Very dangerous. Perhaps you would benefit from taking a gun safety class like I did.
Bullet-shit that flies.
Filled with Fox/tea bagger bullshit redundant(yawn) talking points. Listen angry white man, if you want respect here bring some original thoughts.
I'm not white you racist!!!
Maybe you're Asian? Latino? Surely you're not an Arab...
*lol*
.:: On Edit ::. Above all else, you are a joke.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BD1uGPkxQfA
Perfect song choice.
That's really the only song I like by them
Like a slightly more melodious Clash.
...You bullshitter.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ra-ql7dHti4
Fri, 07/17/2009 - 06:42 — WhiteHomer
I'm not white you racist!!!
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Incongruity, thy name is WhiteHomer.
some relevant ideas or opinions, or STFU.
Your paranoid, racist ravings aren't welcome here.
Who me?
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