Limbaugh sez health care is only for people who have tons of cash!
Check out how William Shatner questions the head of the GOP about what he thinks about you and health care.
Shatner: If you have money, you're going to get health care. If you don't have money, it's more difficult.
Limbaugh: If you have money you're going to get a house on the beach. If you don't have money you're going to live in a bungalow somewhere -- that's -- that's...
Shatner: Right, but we're talking about health care.
Limbaugh: What's the difference?
Shatner: The difference is we're talking about health care.
Limbaugh: No...
Shatner: Not a house or a bungalow.
Limbaugh: You're assuming that there's some morally superior aspect to health care than there is to a house or a bungalow.
Shatner: No, not moral at all. I want to keep the subject for the moment on health care.
In RushBo's world, houses on the beach are old school, man. Why don't you have one already? If you got no cash -- too bad. Rush makes Alan Grayson's point for him. Don't get sick. You've got to be a rich conservative to make it in America. Or so Limbaugh says.
And Digby sez:
He's really just being honest. That's how they feel, which is why anyone who calls themselves conservative who isn't a millionaire is a fool.
Is it just me or does his not wearing socks make him look like Porky Pig?
and his fat jowly face, his porcine snout and his piggish attitude.
I wish he'd been more assertive with Blimpbough, though.
NO, Medical Care is NOT NOT NOT equivalent to a vacation home, or a new car or even buying ice-cream or a bag of M&Ms.
Umm, could we leave M&Ms out of a conversation about Rush? M&Ms deserve better than that.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
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I've never seen change without a fire
...he can shove in that snout.
By the way, notice the hearing aid. Bad side effect of all that illegal drug taking.
is correct once again.
No money your screwed.
He's really just being honest. That's how they feel, which is why anyone who calls themselves conservative who isn't a millionaire is a fool.
AMEN!
The only other person that likes to call themselves a conservative likes to think that they are also morally superior.
Only when the last tree has died
and the last river has been poisoned and the last fish has been caught
will we realize we cannot eat money.
limpballs should have the tons of cash his weight is.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
The teeth are awful. Simply awful. He looks like he taped a bunch of white chiclets together and glued them to his gums. When he talks he looks like Mr. Ed.
his trap...
A horse is a horse
of course of course
Would Rush have intercourse
with a horse, of course
But would the horse
have intercourse
With that Lard Ass
Rush on meds
"Anyone that makes less than $150K in this country, has no business voting Republican."
and hereby nominated for poet laureate of the USA!!
To paraphrase rush, I have mine and if you don't have yours, fu*k you!
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
Of a "man" he is. rapeublicans are sick creatures. Every goddamn last one of them...
white pants will make his butt look big.
Only when the last tree has died
and the last river has been poisoned and the last fish has been caught
will we realize we cannot eat money.
And not wearing socks with his white linen pants makes him look like he hasn't changed the way he dresses since Miami Vice was a big hit down here.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
Toothpaste, liquid plumber, lawnmowers, cars, houses, medical treatment . . we got a product for all your problems!
... SHOCKING I tell you SHOCKING!
Let me see if I can explain it to Mr. Rush. People don't die as a result of not having a house on the beach. People do die as a result of not having health care.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
of a republican finding out they are foreclosing their beach house. They can be rather dangerous, mortal even...
At the present time, if I'm not mistaken, having laser surgery done on your eyes in order to improve your eyesight is an elective procedure.
Does everyone have a moral right to 20/20 vision? Does everyone have a moral right to 20/20 vision without having to wear glasses? If you can't afford a pair of prescription eyeglasses, should everyone be taxed to pay for it for everyone or not? If so, is there any reason why we should stop there and not include laser eye surgery as a government-covered benefit?
How can you claim a right to something that imposes an obligation to act on the part of someone else?
I have freedom of speech as a right because it doesn't force you to do anything except to not punch me in the nose if you don't like what I say.
I don't have a right to freedom of vision if I can't find an eye doctor or surgeon to provide me with better vision for free.
Where do you draw the line?
Don't shoot the messenger, I'm just the devil's advocate here. Keep on topic.
If one doesn't have to pay enormous sums for BASIC care, one can probably afford to pay out-of-pocket for less urgent medical care, such as lasic, braces, plastic surgery and so on.
What if a person is legally blind? If achieving decent eyesight (not necessarily 20/20) is needed to work, why not cover it in a sane medical plan?
That is The Whole Point of Insurance.
Lasic isn't very expensive, BTW. I had it done in 2001 for $2,000. It wouldn't kill taxpayers, or insurance payers for that matter to assist with lasic surgery payments.
... then why shouldn't people be required to pay for that out of their own pockets? If it's no biggie, then other taxpayers shouldn't have to shoulder that $2,000.
I wish I had $2,000 bucks sitting around doing nothing right now.
including rental of the surgery lab. And I DON'T consider $2,700 a lot to pay for 20/50 vision, since I was legally blind before that. I'd have paid as much money as I could scrape together. And I would not mind at all paying more taxes to help other people in that awful situation.
And that's why INSURANCE was INVENTED. To spread the costs around.
"And that's why INSURANCE was INVENTED. To spread the costs around."
Yup.
Provided that it's voluntary. Provided you can shop around and decide to get insurance or not based on your own needs (who knows your needs better than you do?) and your own right to make decisions that affect you.
When the government does it, and it's no longer a voluntary matter, it's no longer insurance. It's something else entirely when the government decides it has the right to point a gun at you and says, "Do it, or else."
when so many lives are at stake. That's why we ALL must pay taxes, even for things we don't need or THINK we don't need, like NASA or the FAA or Coast Guard for those who live inland.
We must go to war with the evil brown people, and we must raise the taxes (or devalue the dollar) to pay for the army and the weapons of destruction, because so many lives (on our side, at least; who gives a rat's patoot about the brown people?) are at stake! If we don't do it, thousands and thousands of the wrong people will die!
I draw the line here.
Healthcare for all, government subsidized, if you want to funnel it through NOT FOR PROFIT private industry fine...with controls on cost, coverage for ALL...including dental, eyes, feet, the whole person...even the heinie.
No coverage for a professional ball washer. Important CEOs can wash their own balls.
"Anyone that makes less than $150K in this country, has no business voting Republican."
that people will still pay premiums, only the Government will take care of administration, and being non-profit with a huge membership, be able to keep prices down?
My husband is from England, land of public health care- his family (middle class) paid a for-profit Ins. company for 'extras', such as a private room at a hospital, doctor of choice, non-generic drugs and so on. Worked out well for them. There ARE private hospitals & Insurance Cos in the UK, and I gather they make a reasonable profit.
I'm in favor of a line item on wages or on your tax return.
I also don't believe in deductibles, co-pays or anything else that generates wasteful bureaucracy. Put it all on the diagnosis. Puts doctors on the line directly for the fraud.
None of this, administrative error bullshit. The diagnosis is the claim form.
Easy.
But then again. I'm a dirty socialist.
"Anyone that makes less than $150K in this country, has no business voting Republican."
mnich13 - do you consider yourself a Christian? If so, let me lay this one on you: "Whatsoever you do to the least of these - you have done to me." -J. of Nazareth (the town, not the band)
I would submit to you, devil's advocate, that a caring nation, one that has the greatest wealth in the world, has a moral - YES, MORAL - obligation to take care of those who can't take care of themselves. Conservatives call this socialism. Jesus calls it love.
You pick which side you're on.
... is there a Roman Soldier who forces the first guy who comes along and encounters the beat-up guy in the ditch to take care of him?
Yes, I consider myself a Christian, and I consider it very un-Christian to have a government force people to take actions that they should be willing to take voluntarily.
When you introduce coercion into the formula, you remove the very thing that makes it a Christian act to care for one's fellow man.
You've missed the point of living in a collective society.
By the way, I'm sick and tired of being "coerced" to pay for your clean drinking water, interstate highway system, sewer, police and fire protection, and the electric grid from which you draw electricity.
... provided you can use the power of persuasion (and not the power of coercion) to convince everyone that it's in their own best interest to participate in such an enterprise.
Once you go the coercion route, though, you've crossed the line. I like having clean drinking water (I have to pay for that separately where I live) and an interstate highway system (my taxes for this are supposed to be included in the price of the gas I buy) and I get billed for sewer charges, and taxed for police and fire protection (having gone through a fire at my residence, I'll never argue the cost of fire protection).
If you can persuade your fellow man to see it your way, then you're on the right track. If not, you lose your moral highground when you force him to do it your way.
but NOT OK to 'force' them to pay for medical coverage? What is the difference here- is health care less important than fire protection and roads? I have fire insurance on my house, why should I be FORCED to pay for the Fire Dept? I have 4Wheel drive, I can drive on rough terrain; why must I be FORCED to pay for roads suitable for people with regular tires?
And massive support of foreign countries. I don't have kids but my money goes to pay for public schools (I'm okay with that one, but see the argument of those who aren't). It's called a representative democracy for a reason - everyone is not going to get their way 100% and be "forced" into situations not personally pleasing.
I've seen some stuff, man. And some thangs...
... to not pay for stuff that you didn't want to pay for, without someone threatening to throw you in jail and take away your possessions and your freedom, wouldn't that be preferable?
Why do you put up with such a system? Because "that's just the way it is" (to paraphrase a certain song)?
I guess you've given up on that whole idealistic notion of forming "a more perfect union". You think it's already perfect.
Is what you are fighting to protect! You must be the one that thinks all is perfect!
Cue the Kabuki....
... about the accepted use of force in society to get things done. If you see that as acceptance of the status quo, you're very confused.
You want to bitch and moan about UR tax dollars being FORCED on fellow Americans healthcare, but fail to care about the FORCE being used in the mid-east to "get things done" .....Howwabout some "complaining vociferously...
... "about the accepted use of force" in unjust, illegal, perpetual wars?!
Cue the Kabuki....
We have no business being over there fighting unjust, illegal, perpetual wars.
You'll get no argument from me on that.
I'm all in favor of socialized medicine from the standpoint that if we're determined to spend the money anyway, let's spend it on good stuff for ourselves instead of spending it for the purpose of "killing people and breaking things" (as Limbaugh likes to put it).
Healthcare has to be paid for somehow. Insurance works because a lot of people who don't like the risk of paying a lot of money later are willing to part with a much smaller amount now, in the hopes that something bad won't happen to them later, but it if does, they get to use some of the money in the pot. Insurance works because a lot of people put something into the pot and never take anything back out.
Social security used to work, because a whole lot of people were putting into the pot and then dying off before they got to the age where they were "entitled" to start taking back out. Increased life expectancies have screwed that up a bit.
Are we proposing that doctors and nurses and specialists should expect to work "on the cheap" in order to get a healthcare system that works?
People, being people, will always look to their own benefit, first and foremost. This is not to say that they don't have altruistic feelings for their fellow man. But they need to be persuaded that they will benefit from their participation in a universal healthcare plan.
If you can't persuade them, then why should they participate? Because you're going to point a gun at them if they don't?
Nice plan, Jesse James.
Insurance does not work......that is why we are having this discussion!
Cue the Kabuki....
to do the right thing, or because you are afraid if you aren't, the horrible eternal damnation and punishment you will receive per the Bible? Seems your God is rather "coercive," aye?
I've seen some stuff, man. And some thangs...
If God is going to punish me eternally for something I've done, that's an article of faith on my part. I can't prove it's going to happen to me after my death while I'm still here in mortality, and I would have no right to insist that you do something based on my faith that something bad might happen to you in an afterlife of some sort if you didn't do the right thing in this life.
If the government enacts a law, however, that says that they can punish me in the here and now for doing something they don't want me to do (or for not doing something that they insist that I do), there's not much faith involved in that. If they say they're going to punish me and/or fine me, way before I'm dead and gong, I figure that's way more coercive than something a holy book of some kind promises will happen to me after I'm dead.
As they say, God will force no man into heaven.
So,ur ok being FORCED into paying taxes on police and fire that benefits both you and society, also ok w/ ur tax dollars being used to torture and kill people in unjust wars, but HELL NO....can't use those tax dollars to provide health care....that would be ungawdly! ......jebusfuckinxmas!
Cue the Kabuki....
... because of your lack of ability to persuade your fellow man to do the right thing.
If I give you a gun so's you can force everyone to do the right thing, will it make you feel better?
"... provided you can use the power of persuasion (and not the power of coercion) to convince everyone that it's in their own best interest to participate in such an enterprise."
Mnich, what utter nonsense. You clearly don't believe in any form of democracy, because in any form of democracy not "everyone" will agree, and someone will be 'coerced' into accepting others' ideas, and paying for them.
Your analogies are false, and your logic is broken.
You accept coercion as a way of life. How are you better than the conservatives who are ready to kill their fellow man at a moment's notice in order to get them to do the right thing?
but you really do think in shallow terms.
Seems to me that those who see coercion as the answer to everything are the shallow ones.
coercion? Where did you go to school or are you home schooled? Are you against public education too?
most call Democracy. A group of people combining -some- of their resources for the common good. Volcano monitoring is of no use to me, but clean water is. Its a tradeoff. If I am too stupid or selfish to understand or agree with the civil contract, then, yes I ought to be forced -as we all are- to pay taxes I disagree with.
As long as I live in this country. I can leave anytime I want. I HATE paying taxes to fund wars. But I have to, like it or not.
... because you put a gun in someone else's hand allowing them to force you to do it.
Land of the free? Home of the brave?
Not so much.
mnich13's red herring presented as a false dilemma?
he sure got his bang for his buck.
... you need to explain where the third choice is that everyone's missing.
your rejoinder is a burden of proof fallacy?
really?
that's the best you can do?
Therefore, you must see another unmentioned choice here.
What is it?
Tick, tock, tick, tock...
is non-existent.
... you've evidently decided to shut up.
Whatever. I didn't think I was asking all that much, seeing as how you made such a facile statement about having a way out of the supposed dilemma.
You're free to persuade me that you do know what you're talking about, but if you're willing to settle for smugly keeping your wisdom to yourself, I guess that's the best we can hope for.
libertarian jerk who doesn't care what happens to the rest of humanity, and try to ignore him.
It does perturb me that he manages to derail threads with people trying to set him straight, when he clearly doesn't want to be set straight, and believes that doing something that benefits the other people of this country and may very well benefit him too at some point is positively awful.
I've never seen change without a fire
for a minute there I thought Dennis had stopped by ubder an assumed name....
"Egotism is the anesthetic that dulls the pain of Stupidity" - Frank Leahy
way.
I've never seen change without a fire
... those who do not initially join your program will see the benefits shared by those who do (provided that it really is a good idea), and they will be persuaded to sign on so that they can enjoy its benefits as well.
Forcing everyone to take part would seem to indicate the weakness of the ideas being suggested. If it won't work for a small group, it most certainly won't work for everyone.
leave it up to the rest of the industrialized nations and see if they feel coerced into having healthcare insurance forced on them.
... then I say hooray for them. I'd much rather see them choose to spend their money on that instead of doing nation-building activities where they're not wanted.
but to hell with us?
Cue the Kabuki....
... then surely the power of persuasion is on your side.
"It may be true that no army can stop an idea whose time has come, but neither can an army impose an idea whose time has not come."
we live in a fascist state, corporatism has influenced the debate in this once great country......and completely brainwashed ur sorry ass.....
Cue the Kabuki....
it for themselves, it was legislated and they accepted it. Damn, what is it you don't understand? Nobody held a gun to their heads.
... that's when the gun was put to their heads.
that some people, for example, are just flat-out racists and nothing is ever going to change their mind? If not, according to your logic, these people should be allowed to practice discrimination in the U.S and not be forced, er, coerced to do otherwise, even in private business.
I've seen some stuff, man. And some thangs...
... for example, are just flat-out racists and nothing is ever going to change their mind.
Seems to me that that will carry its own punishment when those who are not racist become more successful in the world than the racists.
The racists are limiting their own share of the market, and are cutting off their noses to spite their face. Let 'em.
So, end child labor laws, too?
I've seen some stuff, man. And some thangs...
if, in return I help pay for their appendectomy, or broken leg, or diabetes meds. That is the point of pooling resources.
... "a caring nation, one that has the greatest wealth in the world, has a moral - YES, MORAL - obligation to take care of those who can't take care of themselves."
We may not be in that situation (of being the wealthiest nation) for much longer.
You have to ask yourself: how did we get to be the wealthiest nation? I'm not at all sure we did it completely on the up-and-up, and we may be on the verge of paying for past transgressions.
is how we became the wealthiest nation on earth. The neocons have done everything in their power over the last 35 years to dismantle it. And it looks as if they're succeeding.
places rules and regulations on Big business, stopping monopolies, regulating minimum wage, empowering uniions, controling lending practices and much more. It was the Repugs, Nixon, Regan and Bushes and their lickspittle congress that repealed the laws, rules and regulations which created the horrible mess we're in now.
due to Government insurance, thats for sure. Or because we pay unemployment insurance, or Medicare & Medicade and SCHIP.
Our 'wealth' collapse is due to greedy corproations being allowed by our Government to pillage and loot just about everyone. NOT due to our helping the elderly, poor and sick.
the cornerstone of wingnut "thought".
Health care is for everyone. Everyone is covered. Taxes pay for it.
That's what taxes are, the "common wealth". Sharing the burden of your country's expenses.
But in America, there are far too many people who don't want to "share", they're known as "selfish, greedy assholes". But, these same miserable assholes that don't want their money going to someone else's health care have no problem with the G spending trillions of tax dollars on killing people in other countries...
mnich13 (is 13 your age?) seems to argue that a right isn't a right if it somehow "imposes an obligation on others." Doesn't a right to a fair trial impose obligations on public defenders and juries? Doesn't a right to fair treatment impose obligations on employers to consider all applicants, regardless of race, sex, and creed? Doesn't a right to a public education obligate educators to provide a decent education?
Also, your examples are all elective surgeries, which arguably should not be a part of health care reform. I support the plastic surgery tax, actually, but I digress...
When it comes to NON-ELECTIVE medical procedures, health care should be a right because it involves societal well-being and morality. The well-being part comes in when we consider the number of potential vectors for disease transmission in our society who put off seeing a doctor, and the moral part comes in when folks like Rush Limbaugh argue that only rich kids deserve to be free from disease. A "right" in this sense (i.e., Liberal Democracy) is something that we hold sacred that cannot be be taken from a minority group at the whim of a majority group, even if the majority enjoys a 99 to 1 advantage.
BTW, the wonderful health care system that Repubs love so much and want to protect, is largely informed by research conducted by the National Institutes of Health, a tax supported system that ALL of us pay into, not just the wealthy. So there's also a money issue, but I'll let that one go...
schultzbk (does the bk stand for "butt kisser"?; gosh, now wasn't that mature?) doesn't seem to think that people who are determined not to serve on a jury can always make sure that they don't have to, and that it's probably pretty hard to prove discrimination that's anything less than blatant, and that the existence of public schools in no way guarantees that anyone attending said schools will receive a "decent education", unless one's idea of "decent" is to see to it that "decent" is a shockingly low bar to climb over in order to make sure that everyone gets "decent".
I think that a lot of the debate over health care occurs because nobody knows for sure what the cost of a given health treatment or protocol is, and they have no idea if they're being ripped off or if a given course of action really does cost a tremendous amount of money based on scarcity of resources and the relative risk being taken on the part of those performing the medical procedures, or if the insurance companies really are stealing their customers blind and denying coverage for some things just to keep the wallets fat for the healthcare executives, or if it really would be irresponsible of healthcare insurance companies to insist that there be tons of money sitting in the vault earning interest because it really does keep the overall costs down.
At the very least, there needs to be some kind of open audit of costs so that everybody can see for themselves what's going on.
As Jesus said, "which of you, intending to build a tower, sitteth not down first, and counteth the cost, whether he have sufficient to finish it?"
It's one thing to declare health care to be a moral right or imperative, and it's another thing to know, ahead of time (when declaring a new "right") what the cost of implementing that "right" is going to be.
the rest of us have to spend trillion$$$ in tax dollars on the military budget to protect your ass. So where do YOU draw the line?
The spokesperson of Priceline and possibly the worst living actor without the name Guttenberg can deftly out-debate Rush? Is the bar now that low?
He's Canadian... As a rule, all Canadians are smarter than Limpy.
"I could give a flying crap about the political process.... We're an entertainment company."
- Glenn Beck - Forbes interview; April 26, 2010
had an an IQ a couple of orders of magnitude higher than Limbaugh's. And it was 100% made in the USA.
So that is not just an achievement exclusive to our Canadian friends!
The bar is so low now that the mice no longer need to sit on stools.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
The look on his face at the end of the interview was priceless. It looked like he had just scooped up a rather nasty dog mess.
I was thinking the same thing . .
William Shatner taking down Cystboy, what the hell is that all about??
He changed . . . -the world! ... For....the Better...Yes, I am a killer...but I won't....kill.....today!
*Yeah its always kill yesterday,kill tomorrow, but never kill today.
Now this report isn't exactly timely. That interview was taped in August and on air on 4th Dec afaik.
It was on HuffPost days ago.
To quote the infamous Cheney, "So?"
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
LOL
a few thousand people have died since then, due to lack of health care.
Death becomes more business-friendly that way.
He's kinda right, except that I don't have a house at the beach, or a bungalow. And my healthcare monthly payment is higher than my mortgage. Maybe if I can get on the public option I'll be able to buy that beach home he thinks I already have.
... way surreal.
Corruption favors the wealthy.
And that couch man... Looks like something that belongs in Quagmire's den...
"I could give a flying crap about the political process.... We're an entertainment company."
- Glenn Beck - Forbes interview; April 26, 2010
I also found that piece of furniture a strange place for an interview.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
I thought he did a good job of exposing Rush for what he is: coldly, stupidly selfish.
Born with cash? - then you will be granted health in Pig Limbaugh's world.
Everybody else? - Don't get sick.
Health care in America is the new "Company Store"
'Men do not go to the gallows and put their heads in a noose if they can avoid it.' - Mark Twain
Wal Mart medical centers popping up.
...it probably should have been phrased a la the infamous quote from George Orwell's "Animal Farm", as in...
ALL MEN ARE CREATED EQUAL -- BUT SOME ARE MORE EQUAL THAN OTHERS.
Considering the way in which the neconservative/Social Darwinist rhetoric like Limbaugh's has been taking on an increasingly Orwellian flavor over the past couple of decades...it wouldn't surprise me at all to find out that he believes this. The kind of comments he typically makes certainly seem to suggest that this is the case.
*Sigh*...when will these people realize that "1984", "Animal Farm", and "Brave New World" were not intended as instruction manuals?????
Never trust anyone who insists that patriotism requires you to blindfold yourself with the flag.
So only people who own beach front homes should have health care insurance?
Between Rush and BillO they seem to have the answers to everything.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
They probably think 911 should not be a toll free call.
"Anyone that makes less than $150K in this country, has no business voting Republican."
They probably don't think we need 911. After all don't the very wealthy have body guards and personal physicians.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
got to go throw up!
sorry
Rush is one cold hearted bastard if he believes what comes out of his mouth.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
Always has been. That's part of the conservative philosophy: approve of whatever laws allow you to keep what you have and not share it with anyone else, even if you exploited other people's labor, money or their worst fears and hatreds to get your millions. He is a sick, pathological person. No wonder he is a three-time loser at marriage. Thank goodness he has no children on which to inflict his sick beliefs.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Btb_pAoTkfM
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
Rush doesn't seem to understand that not all little boys can grow up to be foul mouthed, drug addicted, full of shit radio talkers who get paid tons of money to stir up as much trouble as possible.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
My parents raised us not to hate people; I hate frgn' limpballs with a passion. He's an arrogant, cold-hearted SOB. There are few people on this planet that I loathe more than this bastard.
tells about himself without being aware that he is telling stories on himself are legion. Here, he is telling us all, once again, that he is a sociopath. And, he hasn't got a clue.
Lintball the Horrible?
"I know that there are people who do not love their fellow
man, and I hate people like that! " ~ Tom Lehrer (1928 - )
Just 60 seconds... I may break my fists but it would be absolutely satisfying and worth every second.
He seems pretty soft and squishy.
Corruption favors the wealthy.
would be, "How are YOU going backwards, Rush? Financially you are going forward." The only way he is going backwards is in common sense,
Two categories of republicans: the rich and the ignorant.
This is not my father's America
...that it's not possible to be both rich and ignorant? I think it is -- George W. Bush is a classic example, in my opinion. I for one am not convinced that Bush was really the one making the decisions for the Bush administration...my belief is that the Bush administration should more accurately be called the PNAC administration, given how many people from that group held high-ranking positions within the administration and/or were advisers to the administration.
Never trust anyone who insists that patriotism requires you to blindfold yourself with the flag.
Rush is just spouting the conservative mantra; "I got mine, go Ef yourself"
How does anyone with half a brain still vote republican in this era.
Unless your filthy rich your just voting against your best interest.
If you vote republican, you must be:
Rich, Racist, or Retarded
They aren't deep thinkers. They don't understand or want to understand where their wealth comes from. Without the appropriate investment in education and healthcare the productivity of the workers will decrease and America will be poorer. When America is poorer all American are poorer especially the rich. Univeral government run healthcare would be the cheapest way to provide healthcare to those who can't afford it.
Question:
What has this bag of goo contributed to society to justify the mega millions he earns?
Answer:
Zilch!
Their homeworld was a place called Earth, located in an uninteresting part of the galaxy. They had an expression: pride goeth before a fall. Their pride was their undoing. I know. I was there....They did not listen, of course. Arrogant men never do.
stupid dittoheads...they actually think he cares about the working class...
Of course he can afford his health insurance once it decides to rescind his ass...
What Limbaugh is oh-so-conveniently choosing to overlook is the fact that the question of whether someone has a bungalow or a beach house hardly ever has an impact on whether someone lives or dies. Health care does. This is not an argument where there's really a lot of middle ground...you either believe that every human life has some inherent value and is worth preserving, or you don't. It's not too hard to see which side of that argument Limbaugh seems to have chosen -- which is odd, not to mention ironic, considering that one of the reasons why he's supposedly so opposed to feminism is because he's against abortion. What Limbaugh doesn't realize (not surprisingly) is that he's painting himself into a corner with this argument -- even if you overlook the fact that Limbaugh would know all about how being wealthy can help you get health care, after having doctor-shopped in the past in order to support a prescription drug habit...
If Limbaugh believes that abortion is wrong because the fetus's life is valuable, then the child's life should likewise be valuable -- particularly since children are not able to work and therefore are forced to depend on their parents or guardians for their well-being. However, by suggesting that people have no right to health care if they can't afford it, Limbaugh is suggesting that the children of these people likewise are not entitled to health care even though they have very little power or choice in the matter and -- apart from the misfortune of being born to people who can't afford to pay for health care which is growing ever more expensive -- are blameless for whatever faults Limbaugh is determined to attribute to their parents which apparently makes them unworthy of care or consideration. According to Limbaugh's argument, the only time at which all life is sacred and worth protecting is while it's in utero -- after that, all bets are off.
If there ever was any room left in my mind for doubt that Limbaugh is a Social Darwinist through and through, this latest item put paid to it once and for all.
Never trust anyone who insists that patriotism requires you to blindfold yourself with the flag.
Darwin's theory of evolution (survival of the best able to adapt) is used by many conservatives (who claim not to believe in evolution anyway)as another excuse to be selfish and uncaring. But using Darwin's actual theory, compassion, empathy and altruism are very powerful Survival Traits.
But stupid conservatives can't comprehend that at all.
I talked to two of them last friday night. I tried to be calm and explain the error of their ways but it is impossible. These MFers are just to fucking stupid to talk to.
I ended up telling them that republicanism/conservatism is a mental illness and they needed some fucking help!
Many higher-order mammals -- especially those which live in large community groups as human beings do -- engage in behavior such as sharing food which suggests at least some degree of altruism and communal concern even though there is no particular indication that these animals are self-aware (certainly not in the way that we understand it). While the individual members of a group may compete with each other for dominance within that group (for mates and so forth), such battles could potentially result in death far more often and far more easily than they usually do...so why don't they? What is it that often prevents the strongest members of these species -- particularly carnivorous species which have comparatively little to gain from protecting each other -- from literally preying upon and/or destroying the weaker members for their own advantage? This sometimes happens, yes (such as preying on the young of other groups belonging to the same species)...but not nearly as often as it could given how powerful the weapons with which most mammals are armed (claws, teeth, horns, hooves) can be. Very few mammalian species deliberately wage war against each other purely for the sake of it -- when they do, it's usually a struggle for territory or dwindling food resources. Yes, some species have far more to gain by keeping fellow members of their species alive rather than killing them -- particularly herbivorous species which gain the advantage of having more eyes open for predators -- but this is not true of all such species.
Never trust anyone who insists that patriotism requires you to blindfold yourself with the flag.
I'm not sure exactly how or why my benighted machine double-posted...but this should take care of it.
Never trust anyone who insists that patriotism requires you to blindfold yourself with the flag.
So now in Rush's world, when we go to the hospital and fill out the admittance papers the first question we should be asked is, Do you own a house on the beach? If we don't I guess they should kick us to the curb.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
Is Rush against abortions? I imagine he is. So what of the poor woman who has a miscarriage due to her lack of good health care insurance? Is that just tough shit for the woman and the baby in Rush's eyes?
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
God, I hate you so much right now.
I love that man. Really. Earth-size ego and all.
Never change, Bill. Ever.
There's always free cheddar in the mousetrap, baby. - Tom Waits
The Shat does have a ginormous ego (which is probably why he got to play the Big Giant Head from Third Rock from the Sun), and of course fat boy also has a giant ego of his own (it's what keeps the lying gasbag inflated). Shatner uses his ego for good however, he's shameless enough to easily poke fun at himself (which is why you see him in all of the things you do), fat boy however is evil and has many insecurities. In order to keep his ego from deflating he usually avoids real debates (because he always loses) except when his ego gets big enough to convince him he can win.
I think the Shats ego handily kicked fat boys ego right in the tea-bags, but it's the rest of us who are lucky....that two super-massive ego's occupied the same space briefly and did not collapse down into a naked singularity that could have consumed the solar system :D
When angry, count four, when very angry, swear.
-Mark Twain-
And here I thought vicodin was a pain pill, not a stupid pill.
Rush doesn't need a pill to get him to stupid. He was already there.
That is what I hate about republicans. They are to stupid to understand that 50% of the reason they have money has to do with luck.
If it is true that we only use 10% of our brain that means about anything you can think of you stand a 90% chance of being wrong 100% of the time.
I think rush is just wrong!
I know I would want an unhealthy, half starved, person building my house.
/snark
So, Rush doesn't want to pull the plug on poor grandmas. He thinks that if they can't afford to pay, they shouldn't be hooked up at all.
"Anyone that makes less than $150K in this country, has no business voting Republican."
no one ever got sick and died from not being able to buy a bungalow by the seashore. the utter magnitude of limbaugh's uncaring dismissiveness of the plight of the uninsured and the horrors they endure is disgusting. I'm truly at a loss how anyone with a conscience or a moral bone in their body could listen to such filth as this man spews.
I think Rush believes that every time a poor black kid sees a doctor, an angel loses his wings...
If you can't afford a car, the Government doesn't have to provide one for you! So, if you can't make it to work then too bad!
Some people aren't meant to drive or have jobs!
Oh wait...Public transportation....what are you liberals whining about you can take the bus!
If you can't afford health care then use public healthcare!
Wait...Uuumm...Oh crap...
What Limpy fails to understand (or at least acknowledge) is that there is no "bungalow" health insurance plan.
It was Captain Kirk versus Harcourt Fenton Mudd.
Trekies will understand...
Except Mudd was actually a likeable fellow in many ways, Limbaugh is more like a Ferengi only greedier (if thats possible)
See the Rules of Acquisition for what motivates a Ferengi (and a republican).
When angry, count four, when very angry, swear.
-Mark Twain-
No abortion in Limpballs world, and as soon as you're born you're on your own.
FACTS. That it is about reality, not what PigBoy wants to make up, or believe.
By the way, notice the hearing aid that PigBoy is wearing. The side effect of all his illegal drug consumption was that he caused deafness in himself.
Now, that is a true leader of the Rethuglican Idiot Party!
William Shatner is a blast; also Canadian, so he can blow this country and have his universal health care up north.
Someone please tell me the Shat punched this guy in the face and then gave him double karate chops to the neck.
I can’t imagine anyone in more need of becoming a victim of Kirk-fu.
I love Star Trek, I also love Star Wars, and here we finally get to see Kirk take on Jabba the Hutt. He should get a shot at Princess Leia now as a reward or at least one of those multi-colored slave girls with the twin head tails.
When angry, count four, when very angry, swear.
-Mark Twain-
I think he's more the Orion green-skinned slave woman type.
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