Vatican Rocked By Another Sex Scandal
Ironic that the same week that DC Catholic Charities opted to stop spousal coverage in response to legalized same sex marriages, the Vatican finds themselves answering for a gay scandal taking place right under their collective noses:
A police investigation into corruption at the Vatican has taken a twist with the discovery of an organised network of male prostitution. So far a senior aide to the Pope and a Vatican chorister have been removed from their posts over allegations of involvement in the homosexual prostitution ring.
The allegations were made public when Italian newspapers published transcripts of phone calls recorded by police. Police had been conducting an unrelated corruption investigation. Apparently the tapes record Angelo Balducci, a Gentleman of His Holiness, negotiating with Thomas Chinedu Ehiem, a 29-year-old Nigerian Vatican chorister, about men he wanted brought to him for sexual purposes.
Balducci held a high position within the Vatican and carried the coffin of Pope John Paul at his 2005 funeral. He has now lost his position as a Gentleman of the Holiness. The taped conversations include Balducci describing precise physical details of the men he desired.
Balducci was a member of one of the world's most exclusive fraternities – the Gentlemen of His Holiness, or Papal Gentlemen, the ceremonial ushers of the papal household.
The scandal is just the newest scandal in a seemingly never ending series of scandals involving the Catholic Church. There is no telling how extensive the prostitution ring is within the Vatican, or what, if any knowledge, Pope Benedict XVI had of the nefarious activities taking place within his household.
The scandal is yet another indication of the corruption and moral hypocrisy which surrounds the Pope, and permeates the Catholic Church.
Why is it that those so insistent on controlling and judging others' behaviors always seem to have the hardest time living up to their own standards?
about joining the Catolic church. There must be some sexually frustrated nuns that are being totally neglected.
have each other. So don't bother.
Do I sense an opening for a lesbian prostitution ring?
rephrase that.
;)
a great place for sister liz cheney to visit.
she's trying to give everyone else a tongue lashing.
present itself (not that I've been waiting for it), and since it's unlikely to again, here you are--
(In the voice of a mother superior): "lights out at 10, ladies, candles out at 11."
And why is it surprising that there are some gays amongst 300 men living together, wearing robes, and surrounded by fabulous furniture and drapes?
mahvelous decor and rather ornate windows as well.
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common sense matters as much as truth
so they'll do whatever they do.... for nothing!
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common sense matters as much as truth
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLt5n0auPwM
me-oww!
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“The greatest evildoers are those who don’t remember because they have never given thought to the matter, and, without remembrance, nothing can hold them back,”
sporting under those habits...
me-oww!
One can hope!
“The greatest evildoers are those who don’t remember because they have never given thought to the matter, and, without remembrance, nothing can hold them back,”
key on your keyboard stuck?
Hasa Diga Eebowai
:P
Study the symptoms not the virus...
Why are these comments being deleted? I didn't see anything offensive being said.
[We keep telling pythoncharly that 'ALL CAPS' is not allowed. We like what he says, but this is not an AOL message board, and posting all comments in all caps all the time detracts from the other posts. ALL CAPS, all bold and all italics should be used like a condiment--sparingly-Sitemonitor]
There's always free cheddar in the mousetrap, baby. - Tom Waits
Okay. I didn't realize all caps was against the rules. Just seems kinda childish style to me, but some people seem to have a hard time letting go of it.
Thanks for answering!
There's always free cheddar in the mousetrap, baby. - Tom Waits
Mint flavored condoms?
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
Organized male prostitution?
Limbaughs gonna have to rearrange his holiday plans now to include the Vatican.
"To me, truth is not some vague, foggy notion. Truth is real. And,
at the same time, unreal. Fiction and fact and everything in between,
plus some things I can't remember, all rolled into one big "thing."
This is truth, to me. "
-Jack Handy
Newt joined up.
me-oww!
answer itself?
There's always free cheddar in the mousetrap, baby. - Tom Waits
"The Gentlemen of His Holiness" sounds like an all-male dance team.
sounds more like a butt licker
Or a restroom
With larry craig tap dancing innit.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
...a Filipina doctor (the national health minister) is being berated by catholic bishops for promoting condoms in a campaign to prevent the spread of HIV/AIDS.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/A...
How long before you hear of a sex scandal of catholic priests in the Philippines? It probably would have happened already if the Philippines weren't 90% catholic.
The mind reels.
"To me, truth is not some vague, foggy notion. Truth is real. And,
at the same time, unreal. Fiction and fact and everything in between,
plus some things I can't remember, all rolled into one big "thing."
This is truth, to me. "
-Jack Handy
Aaaaaaaand, here's another catholic sex scandal, more child raping.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/20100308/wl_time...
What a surprise.
I suspect a fair number of them are homosexual men who couldn't accept themselves, and so joined the church as a means of fighting their 'inner demons'.
We have a winner!!
basically a choice between pretending your not gay as long as you can and being a pillar of the community or being victimized by your friends and family.
Getting rid of religions, or at least holding them accountable for their actions/beliefs, would help to alleviate the bashing as there wouldn't be a large acceptable group promoting the hatred. Additionally, people would not join, become priests, in order to avoid victimization.
Religions are dysfunctional and do not dispense reality/truth.
You see how various religions are reacting to the Obama administration meeting with a secular/atheist group? Extremely reactionary accusing the secularists of hate and fear mongering. The same sh*t reactionary religious have been doing for hundreds of years. They start to feel threatened and they become violent, and increase their lying rhetoric.
And do not underestimate their power. If hell goes into a handbasket in this country: meteorite, massive climate change, or terrorist attack, you will see these people charge that it was God's will to punish us for accepting homosexuals and abortionists. If the damage in this country is severe enough, they will revert to witch trials and burning heretics. These people are demonic, fearful, angry, vicious people. The only things keeping them at bay is a reasonably prosperous economy and secular government.
to be faithful to a law of chastity. The Catholic church should allow their priests to marry as the Episcopalians & the Lutherans do. Problem solved. If their homosexual desires continue, voila--they will have discovered that they are gay and should accept their sexual being.
“The greatest evildoers are those who don’t remember because they have never given thought to the matter, and, without remembrance, nothing can hold them back,”
The Catholic church should allow their priests to marry as the Episcopalians & the Lutherans do.
The Catholic Church does not recognize gay marriage.
Only gay sex.
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“The greatest evildoers are those who don’t remember because they have never given thought to the matter, and, without remembrance, nothing can hold them back,”
... you insist sexual orientation is a choice.
is not a choice, but many men repress their true sexuality by getting married to a woman or by joining the Clergy. However, doesn't work. I believe it's nature, not nurture.
“The greatest evildoers are those who don’t remember because they have never given thought to the matter, and, without remembrance, nothing can hold them back,”
Sometimes the mother is too nurturing.
wardrobe and exquisite Manolo Blaniks?
“The greatest evildoers are those who don’t remember because they have never given thought to the matter, and, without remembrance, nothing can hold them back,”
So many shoes, how's a young boy to resist?
It's the Catholic church that insists sexual orientation is a choice. Therefore, it makes sense that the church would be attractive to those believing they can be purged or absolved of the 'sin' of homosexuality, further complicated by the idea of celibacy.
Since, as a heterosexual male, I don't recall any formative moment where I made a choice to find women sexually attractive, then it seems illogical to assume that others are making this mysterious 'choice' towards preferring the same sex.
Ted Haggard Institute of Gay-Curing, I believe.
“The greatest evildoers are those who don’t remember because they have never given thought to the matter, and, without remembrance, nothing can hold them back,”
This one involving the Pope's Brother!
L
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dropped the gay opposition and the celibacy thing, these scandals would trickle down to nothing.
"I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ."
-- Mahatma Gandhi
all it takes is all of us
I'd be willing to bet that there already has been a "second coming"
(no pun intended)and Christ took one look around and thought "you're kidding me right?I'm soooooooo outta here."
"To me, truth is not some vague, foggy notion. Truth is real. And,
at the same time, unreal. Fiction and fact and everything in between,
plus some things I can't remember, all rolled into one big "thing."
This is truth, to me. "
-Jack Handy
If Jesus HAS already come back.....the first thing he would have seen are all these crosses all over the place.....the very thing he was hung up on!!....hell, if that didn't make him want to turn around and get out, I don't know what would have.
all it takes is all of us
!!
“The greatest evildoers are those who don’t remember because they have never given thought to the matter, and, without remembrance, nothing can hold them back,”
Angelo Balducci + Thomas Chinedu Ehiem = a pair of singing Ballchinians
So I've met a lot of Catholics as far as I know none of them molested children. I had some close family friends that were obviously a lesbian couple their whole lives but everyone just pretended they were friends, whatever floats your boat. I also noticed early in my teens that the Catholic rule book was both absolute and easily maliable. Birth control didn't count. You should probably feel bad for not going to Mass but not really a big deal. Confession, you can pretty much put that off until you've done something really bad. I could never understand why anyone would want to be part of a club that made it impossible to follow their rules. It's hypocrisy from the start not to mention guilt by association on so many levels it's mind boggling. Everyone gets to be their own personal Elmer Gantry just shifting their guilt around until they feel better. Not to mention their retention rates are bolstered by the threat of unimaginable torture for eternity from their all loving god.
I think Calling yourself Catholic is like calling yourself a kkk member because they really have some good ideas and you feel you should support them except for hating blacks and jews.
I was raised as a catholic too,and the operative word for me is "guilt".You learn guilt at an early age and it takes the rest of your life to slough it off.The Jews didn't quite corner the market in this regard.
"To me, truth is not some vague, foggy notion. Truth is real. And,
at the same time, unreal. Fiction and fact and everything in between,
plus some things I can't remember, all rolled into one big "thing."
This is truth, to me. "
-Jack Handy
although nominally. My dad was an atheist and my mom was very private about religion, so it was all stuff I learned mainly in school. Thus I was pretty fucking resentful of the whole thing - who the hell did these people think they were telling me what I did or didn't do was sinful?
The first indication I ever had of the sick perversity inherent in Catholicism was a catechism book I was given as a school text. It had the most gory, slavering description of the death-by-torture of Jesus that I've ever read. It was truly sick. And I was NINE when I was made to read this shit. Even at that young age, I knew something was very, very wrong with these people. A sane person simply does not sit around thinking about this stuff.
There's always free cheddar in the mousetrap, baby. - Tom Waits
and as far as his "Catholic faith" is concerned......well, after siring 9 children with his first and only wife, he impregnated a South American model 30+ years his junior....so much for being religious!
“The greatest evildoers are those who don’t remember because they have never given thought to the matter, and, without remembrance, nothing can hold them back,”
...be fruitful and multiply"
The Vatican got the first part right.
"No condoms".
“The greatest evildoers are those who don’t remember because they have never given thought to the matter, and, without remembrance, nothing can hold them back,”
I can see the porn now "Pope Bareback the II"
but I never saw that snuff film of his. Just hearing about it gave me flashbacks to that horrible, hateful book. There was no way I was gonna subject myself AGAIN to that sick shit.
But it certainly explains a lot about the guy, doesn't it?
There's always free cheddar in the mousetrap, baby. - Tom Waits
after that....and, of course, the drunk driving, Jew hating incident in Malibu! He finally revealed his true self.
“The greatest evildoers are those who don’t remember because they have never given thought to the matter, and, without remembrance, nothing can hold them back,”
I have few good memories of Catechism,although I was never subjected to the Jesus torture tract you mention.
I certainly started seriously questioning the faith at around 8 or 9.
"To me, truth is not some vague, foggy notion. Truth is real. And,
at the same time, unreal. Fiction and fact and everything in between,
plus some things I can't remember, all rolled into one big "thing."
This is truth, to me. "
-Jack Handy
to continue "the rhythm method" in raising my family.....my church said.....No birth control. I said, "The hell you say.....I'm outta here."
“The greatest evildoers are those who don’t remember because they have never given thought to the matter, and, without remembrance, nothing can hold them back,”
Oh I have some good memories too, but they were never enough to keep me in the faith. Too little too late, in my case. The dam finally broke when I was 15 and asked what I would give up for Lent. I decided I would give up Catholicism, since it was obviously (to me, at least) a travesty against God.
There's always free cheddar in the mousetrap, baby. - Tom Waits
My son!
“The greatest evildoers are those who don’t remember because they have never given thought to the matter, and, without remembrance, nothing can hold them back,”
When people would ask me if I was going to see The Passion, I said no thanks, I'm not into torture porn.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
That's a great story. I try to get my kids to do the same thing. It hasn't worked yet, but the seeds keep getting planted.
They did say it had to be something important. :)
There's always free cheddar in the mousetrap, baby. - Tom Waits
What good ideas do the KKK have?
Hasa Diga Eebowai
The uniforms?
Does that count?
“The greatest evildoers are those who don’t remember because they have never given thought to the matter, and, without remembrance, nothing can hold them back,”
If only they could get their stigmata to dispense lube...
a sick and humorous mind.
Now THAT would be convenient!
There's always free cheddar in the mousetrap, baby. - Tom Waits
Go straight to Hell,do not pass Go.
funny stuff.
"To me, truth is not some vague, foggy notion. Truth is real. And,
at the same time, unreal. Fiction and fact and everything in between,
plus some things I can't remember, all rolled into one big "thing."
This is truth, to me. "
-Jack Handy
The Pope obviously misses his old "youth group."
The uniforms were just so butch and hot! Now, everybody around him wears long dresses.
God will rain plagues on your head, but he loves you and needs money, uniforms, and sex.
the 'Hitler Youth', of course.
The current pope was a member, though he claims it was mandatory and didn't mean anything to him.
the catholic church pushes 9 year olds to confirm something that no one at that age can comprehend let alone choose. And they pushed my aunt into being a nun at 14. If he says his hitler youth didn't mean anything then how can his church feel that catholics of a similar age means anything to them?
And now, a little Vatican music...
Plus this classic ditty.
There's always free cheddar in the mousetrap, baby. - Tom Waits
and KITTENS!
me-oww!
Men are for Pleasure, Women are for Babies.
Jesus and the apostles were from Ancient Greece.
Just their inheritors. It was the collision between the Hebrew and Greek mindsets that created the utterly bugfuck insane pseudo-morality that causes all these problems in that religion.
There's always free cheddar in the mousetrap, baby. - Tom Waits
'Apparently the tapes record Angelo Balducci, a Gentleman of His Holiness, negotiating with Thomas Chinedu Ehiem, a 29-year-old Nigerian Vatican chorister, about men he wanted brought to him for sexual purposes.' Specifically he said he wanted the "filthy Eli" and the "reverse grail."
I've seen some stuff, man. And some thangs...
Is that like the Unclean Sanchez and the Rusty Ceremonial Trumpet?
Liquid communion?
Not surprised. NEVER surprised anymore by things like this. It's gotten so practically any mention of Christianity immediately gets my nose up for a whiff of hypocrisy/perversity.
Such a history. Makes me hope very much that Jesus is off in some other galaxy trying to get the people there to be decent, just so he doesn't have to hear about shit like this. (Then again, it's far more likely that he's been down in Hell distributing drinks of water to the tormented since he died, just like James Morrow said.)
There's always free cheddar in the mousetrap, baby. - Tom Waits
As a former catholic I can't help but see humor in this. It is sad though. They never seem to learn.
The religion itself is the problem. It's impossible to follow the rules, so you'll always get hypocrisy, no matter what. If only they'd stuck with the stuff Jesus said, instead of immediately embellishing the minute he was gone. They'd have had something worthwhile if they'd stuck with "Be decent, be poor, help each other, don't be a dick." But NOOOOO...
There's always free cheddar in the mousetrap, baby. - Tom Waits
It's the hazard of sexual repression, which you only tend to get in religious institutions.
So there's no sexual repression in any other institution? Hm. I have some gay soldiers I'd like to introduce you to...
There's always free cheddar in the mousetrap, baby. - Tom Waits
Nicole wrote:
I think that is the wrong question. The standards were never meant to apply to those creating them. The orignal formation of the church was a consolidation of power, with very little to do with actual teachings of Christ.
I pledge allegiance to the Constitution of the United States of America, and to the republic which it established, one nation from many peoples, promising liberty and justice for all
with very little to do with actual teachings of Christ.
Another winner! It's pretty much a standard experience for preachers and priests to be hounded and thrown out if they actually try to preach what JESUS said these days. He's far too controversial, way too hippie-commie-pinko-socialist for the Church.
There's always free cheddar in the mousetrap, baby. - Tom Waits
We're off to see the hooker, the wonderful hooker of spuzz.
I mean, honestly - how can anyone ignore the edicts of a man wearing a three-foot-tall jeweled bit of fierceness like that?!
There's always free cheddar in the mousetrap, baby. - Tom Waits
Okay,okay-you can be on top,but this time I wanna wear the hat.
"To me, truth is not some vague, foggy notion. Truth is real. And,
at the same time, unreal. Fiction and fact and everything in between,
plus some things I can't remember, all rolled into one big "thing."
This is truth, to me. "
-Jack Handy
*That* is hilarious.
told them to, back in the mists of time. and we get the word of jesusah from the bible, and we KNOW it is 100% accurate, because jesusah says it is. It's right there, in the bible. somewhere.
me-oww!
At least 90% of what the Pope deals in is not about what Jesus said at all. Very, very little of what any Christian church talks about these days has anything to do with Jesus.
There's always free cheddar in the mousetrap, baby. - Tom Waits
It's his pimp ride, the Popemobile.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tJYN-eG1zk
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
for the Vatican and all the priests to just shut their pie holes regarding any sexual proclivities and women's reproductive rights. By their behavior, and the behavior of their clergy, they have forfeited all right to say ANYTHING about the private lives of ANY of their flock. Let ye who are without sin cast the first stone.
“The greatest evildoers are those who don’t remember because they have never given thought to the matter, and, without remembrance, nothing can hold them back,”
It's not THEM saying those things, it's GOD. GOD makes them behave like bitter, jealous, hateful biddies spying at people's keyholes. It's not THEM, oh no! They'd NEVER talk like that if GOD hadn't written all this stuff down thousands of years ago to FORCE them to be utter dickheads!!!
There's always free cheddar in the mousetrap, baby. - Tom Waits
And that god guy insists they live in a mansion which is so big, it's not only a city, but its own country.
he's infallible.
________________
common sense matters as much as truth
???
“The greatest evildoers are those who don’t remember because they have never given thought to the matter, and, without remembrance, nothing can hold them back,”
"I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do because I notice it always coincides with their own desires." ~ Susan B. Anthony
I pledge allegiance to the Constitution of the United States of America, and to the republic which it established, one nation from many peoples, promising liberty and justice for all
Quoted from George W. Bush.
“The greatest evildoers are those who don’t remember because they have never given thought to the matter, and, without remembrance, nothing can hold them back,”
Gabby Johnson's right!
The Catholic church and in fact no theist religion, can shut their pie holes with respect to women's reproductive rights. That is the corner stone of the successful propagation of their perverted belief system: keeping woman ignorant and pregnant. That is how you keep an entire society poor, ignorant, and superstitious.
This is how the poor in all countries continue to give so much money to these organizations, and believe the trash they spew. It keeps them in their place, unquestioning the rules, popping out the babies so there are ever more mouths to feed in a never ending cycle.
Never ending UNTIL women are respected, and allowed to engage in what is their birthright. And at that point, suddenly we see increased prosperity, creativity, and intellectual capacity, and less mysticism and ridiculousness. This is exactly why the core ingredient to any totalitarian system is treating women like dirt. They are the lynchpin.
these into the discussion. :)
Study the symptoms not the virus...
!!
“The greatest evildoers are those who don’t remember because they have never given thought to the matter, and, without remembrance, nothing can hold them back,”
the fishy man.
Hasa Diga Eebowai
If God didn't want people having sex he wouldn't have made them anatomically correct.
;o}
I pledge allegiance to the Constitution of the United States of America, and to the republic which it established, one nation from many peoples, promising liberty and justice for all
You church people pretend to hate gay people.
That way people like me will never suspect that your all gay.
California State Assemblyman Roy Ashburn announced he is, in fact, gay.
It's worked great so far, hasn't it?
Oh wait...
There's always free cheddar in the mousetrap, baby. - Tom Waits
Nothing but hypocrisy....
Democrat.
“The greatest evildoers are those who don’t remember because they have never given thought to the matter, and, without remembrance, nothing can hold them back,”
The don't ask don't tell policy is not working for the Catholic Church.
their private policy, as with the GOP, is "Don't get caught."
“The greatest evildoers are those who don’t remember because they have never given thought to the matter, and, without remembrance, nothing can hold them back,”
The stupid thing about the Don't Ask Don't Tell policy is that it should have gone both ways. Don't talk about sex or partners and if you do you are kicked out.
In simpler words, IF you want to have a relationship, don't sign up or get out.
... Is there ANY religion out there right now that is not involved in some hypocrisy of some kind?
I fear jedichurch.org (yes "jedi" of Star Wars ilk) is probably the least hypocritical of them all at the moment. At least all of their followers are not killing each other...
also known as Discordianism. There's no hypocrisy there, because EVERYTHING is a joke! The Universe is a big Golden Apple thrown by the Goddess to confuse everyone and everything! When you ask "what's the sense in life?" the Sacred Chao says "Mu!"
Hail Eris! Hell yes!
There's always free cheddar in the mousetrap, baby. - Tom Waits
... nonetheless have some serious issues, namely their penchant for deciding what is right/just for the rest of the galaxy, and for accepting a clone army (bred into an indentured military) without a moment's pause for the ethics of doing so.
Anakin's "I'm gonna fix it all, all I need to be is strong enough and never fail" was encouraged by Palpatine/Darth Sidious, but evident long before Palpatine met the boy.
And, of course, if you have Jedi, you're gonna have Sith Lords. We're a mean bunch, too.
I do not accept your blaspehmous claims about the Clone Army and the Nature of Anakin! They are heretical texts that deface and defame the True Faith!
Down with all Emmendations and Defacements of the Original Text!! Shun the Heretics!!!
There's always free cheddar in the mousetrap, baby. - Tom Waits
... your feeble skills are no match for the power of the Dark Side.
(From the fannish side of things, I highly recommend Karen Traviss' 'Republic Commando' novels, because that's where the issue of Jedi ethics comes up.)
The Vatican is full of hiding pedophiles and so is the Republican Party. Google the documentary "The Franklin Cover-Up" about a group out of Omaha Nebraska. It was set to air on the Discovery Channel in the 90's but some people in power put a stop to that. The truth is out there.
"Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people." ~ Eleanor Roosevelt
he said they should convert to Christianity and, a, wait, never mind.
I've seen some stuff, man. And some thangs...
Ooooh, snap!
I find all religion dangerous, but having been raised Catholic I find it completely satanic and evil.
Homosexuals, officially are considered "more or less intrinsically evil". How does an all knowing, all powerful, all loving deity, create a person that is intrinsically evil and then blame the person?
This is a predatory and hateful organization. And consider that it is substantially move moderate, "liberal" if you will, in the U.S. than in poor countries where it proselytizes its disgusting beliefs onto hapless people, stealing their hard earned money under threats of eternal punishment.
"Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus" demands of all human beings that the only path to salvation (as if this is required in the first place) is through Jesus Christ and his church - i.e. the Catholic Church. You do not go to heaven if you are born a Jew and are a good Jew your whole life. You do not go to heaven if you are born a Methodist and are a good Methodist your whole life. It's a f'n cult.
And it plainly demonstrates that theistic religions are the most disgusting and dangerous inventions of man.
I'm not religious, but if I was, and I imagined Satan created a religion to counter and pervert the teachings of Jesus, I know it would look rather exactly like Catholicism.
900 years of torturing and executing innocent human beings, as a matter of explicit policy, for lying about the divine origin and absolute truth of the Catholic Church.
My person favorite (of the moment), is that the church burned heretics for a very specific reason. They believe (still) that the buried dead will all be risen and made whole again at the time of the 2nd coming. But not if there isn't a body that was buried.
So heretics were politically assassinated in this life through state sponsored murder. And then they were burned to ashes in order to prevent them from having any role in the next life as well. A double execution in the eyes of the church.
It is a completely treacherous organization.
Logically, if you accept that god made everything and has a detailed plan mapped out for everyone, then every tyrant is doing God's will.
I do like the ad which is displayed on this page:
Vatican Gifts
The Blessing from the Vatican City
-- Obviously, some people are blessed more than others as they get the staff of life.
be catholic, when she felt her lapse and sinning was the reason her life had gone pear-shaped. I told her the truth, that i didn't believe in the shit, that ccd and mass were a time waste, and I got an EXTRA hour of one-on-one with fr. lesnik. He was an ok guy, nothing bad happened, except he kept trying to fucking brainwash me into believing the shit. I mean really, I was all "Can god make a rock so heavy that he cannot lift it?" and "How can god love someone and send them to hell?" He was all "Faith faith faith" and "free will" while coughing up big gobs of green shit. I mean the guy had the worst bronchitis for months on end. Gag making.
They STILL made me get baptised, against my will, even though I was 13. gad I hated that catholic shit. I felt it was more about the numbers and shit.
me-oww!
from 3rd grade on, I had a stumper for the priests.
1. Angels do not have free will, only man was 'blessed' to have such.
2. Without free will, how did Satan rebel?
3. How did Satan get other Angels to join him, since like the Morning Star, they also had no free will?
4. How does Satan rule in Hell with no free will, and how is it possible that you consider yourself to be a monotheist when you have on one hand the 'trinity' and on the other hand, the God of evil?
I never got a response, there was some dancing around the issue and misdirection, which I would have none of - I would let them know in no uncertain terms that I understood how they had just completely avoided the question.
"That doesn't answer my question." and getting back "Some questions have no answers," then me saying "Well you certainly seem to come up with some kind of answer for everything, whether it addresses the issue or not..."
me-oww!
I got a lot of the same bs.
is all the great art it has inspired. I do love me some Michelangelo, Raphael, El Greco, Fra Angelico, etc. As well as all the glorious liturgical music, from plainsong all the way to Mozart. Some incredible human endeavors have come out of there.
But that's about it. Oh, and the stuff Jesus actually said himself (according to the accounts) was pretty good. But nobody pays attention to the hippie freak anymore.
There's always free cheddar in the mousetrap, baby. - Tom Waits
You cannot demonstrate that these works could not or would not have been produced without Catholicism. Likewise, we will never know what art was not inspired or produced because of Catholicism.
How do you paint a picture of the Madonna and Child...without a Madonna and Child? How do you sculpt the Pieta without Mary and Jesus? How do you write a Requiem Mass when you have no Mass to write about?
You're making no sense at all. Look, dude, if you don't like the existence of religion, then just say so. But don't trot out these nonsensical arguments as if there were any intelligent thinking behind them.
There's always free cheddar in the mousetrap, baby. - Tom Waits
Madonna and Child were basically Isis and Horus, the Pieta could be any sacrificed god-king, from Adonis to Attis to Tammuz to Marsyas to Heracles to Cuchulainn.
Music figured big with some of these religions too. Afterall the Greeks had a muse of Sacred Hymns, Polyhymnia.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
were the problem when it comes to the Catholic Church for calling them out, and not the Catholic Church's actual conduct.
He pulled the "flawed human beings" card, which evidently only the RCC can use for themselves, and the people the church has judged and treated callously don't get any such defense.
So I'm not shocked at all that they have another scandal on their hands.
"The greatest tyranny is censoring information in order to be better able to control people." - Cristina Saralegui
For years they moved guilty priest around, from parish-to-parish, who they knew were guilty of molesting young people. This very fitting that's it's come back to bite them right in their wheelhouse.
Well, Christanity is a pedophile dating service these days. This isn't at all surprising. The rape of children is a core Christian ideology.
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