D.C.'s Catholic Charities Dumps Family Insurance So They Don't Have To Cover Same-Sex Partners
I didn't think I could have any less respect for the institutional Catholic church, but they keep setting new lows. This is simply appalling.
The Catholic Church is known for its poor treatment of its workers (I know someone who's taught in Catholic schools for 30 years, and I make more on unemployment than she does in her weekly paycheck) and since the Church climbed into bed with the American right wing some decades back, they've dropped any pretense that they're applying the spirit of Jesus' teachings:
Employees at Catholic Charities were told Monday that the social services organization is changing its health coverage to avoid offering benefits to same-sex partners of its workers -- the latest fallout from a bitter debate between District officials trying to legalize same-sex marriage and the Catholic Archdiocese of Washington.
Starting Tuesday, Catholic Charities will not offer benefits to spouses of new employees or to spouses of current employees who are not already enrolled in the plan. A letter describing the change in health benefits was e-mailed to employees Monday, two days before same-sex marriage will become legal in the District.
"We looked at all the options and implications," said the charity's president, Edward J. Orzechowski. "This allows us to continue providing services, comply with the city's new requirements and remain faithful to the church's teaching."
Catholic Charities, which receives $22 million from the city for social service programs, protested in the run-up to the council's December vote to allow same-sex marriage, saying that it might not be able to continue its contracts with the city, including operating homeless shelters and facilitating city-sponsored adoptions. Being forced to recognize same-sex marriage, church officials said, could make it impossible for the church to be a city contractor because Catholic teaching opposes such unions.
After the council voted to legalize gay marriage, Catholic Charities last month transferred its foster-care program -- 43 children, 35 families and seven staff members -- to another provider, the National Center for Children and Families.
Orzechowski said Monday that the change in health benefits will be the last move necessary in response to the legislation.
"We do not anticipate any further changes whatsoever," he said. "Taking the action we have on foster care and spousal we feel has addressed everything the new law requires of us."
Maybe this wouldn't stick in my craw so much if they'd taken the same "principled" stand against the Church's numerous child abusers and pedophiles -- before the multi-million dollar payouts, I mean.
These bigot/Christians will never let it go...they'll always feel comfortable peeping into Gays and Lesbians bedrooms. Just a 21st century variation of the Klan.
I haven't had coffee yet, but this is a good start to the day.
"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."
---Southwest Airlines
Catholic I am a Christian, I don't feel comfortable peeping into a gays bedroom, lesbians might be a different story. Hey I'm a pervert but I admit it.
:) :) :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DG_I429BC9M
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
lesbian in a man's body would agree.
that line has worked wonders for me with lesbians. My wife doesn't understand why though. I said it at one of her birthday parties to a room full of lesbians, they all laughed and none were offended by it. My wife was.
anyone would see anything of interest peeping in YOUR bedroom.
on when it was, they might. As of now no probably not. In the past I'm sure some people would of found interest in what was happening there.
Gay people shouldn't be working for Catholic anything. That is in support of those who would be the first to minimalize and even destroy utterly the LGBT person. They are our enemy and Jesus has nothing to do with anything.. Catholics are the agents of hell along with all the other Delusionites.
to serve in the military?
"I mean Romney is the most conservative on illegal immigration and I don't think Ronald Reagan could get elected in California today."
Ann "Clipped" Coulter
BT= Bisexual and Transgendered.
There are just people that want to serve in the military, just like any oother group.
I just didn't know if all members of the coalition wanted to be included in the right to dress up and parade around with weapons.
"I mean Romney is the most conservative on illegal immigration and I don't think Ronald Reagan could get elected in California today."
Ann "Clipped" Coulter
Being gay is nothing BUT dress up and parading. And ocassionally weaponry, but that's usually the leather crowd.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InBXu-iY7cw
"I mean Romney is the most conservative on illegal immigration and I don't think Ronald Reagan could get elected in California today."
Ann "Clipped" Coulter
I've been in all branches of the military. Over and over.
they've been serving all along...they demand to be treated equally
Christ-like, isn't it?
"I like your Christ, but I do not like your Christians. They are so unlike your Christ." --- Mahatma Gandhi
There's always free cheddar in the mousetrap, baby. - Tom Waits
...that's what I was thinking. Especially not with the church being run by psychotically anti-gay Herr Pöpenfürher.
Christanity is at core a hate cult, a death cult predicated upon resentment, deriving its core ideologies from the need to overthrow the occupational armies of Rome through propaganda -- which is somewhat ironic since their "jesus" mythos was Hellenized and adopted a young male lover sex toy as was common for Romans to do at the time.
Christianity is abjectly evil but its *own* standards.
But a numbers game. To get more money from the flock they need a self propagating flock. Their mindset says Gays can't have kids so gay members aren't good for the long term bottom dollar. They don't replace themselves.
It's all about the money.
they better get rid of the priests and nuns with those financially ruinous celibacy vows.
"I mean Romney is the most conservative on illegal immigration and I don't think Ronald Reagan could get elected in California today."
Ann "Clipped" Coulter
..little of gay people and that they should be put to death as they say in the bible, do you think they all kill their disobedient children as the bible says, or kill their wives if they aren't virgins on the wedding night as the bible says or stone the women who adorn themselves as the bible says..(thanks Dan Savage, your interview with KO on the subject was eye-opening). But no, no one is going to do that in modern times are they? There wouldn't be much of a church if they did.
You know, the church at one time didn't believe in a heliocentric solar system. Then one day, Copernicus proved that the Sun was the center of the solar system and eventually the church just had to agree. I wonder what the sunrise looked like before the church was corrected? Hmmmm......(and thank you James Burke).
Mickey: "It was an epiphany. Do you know what an epipany is?"
Keoni: "NOT NOW MICKEY!"
. . . The Catholic Church does not take The Bible to be literal inerrant truth. It instead relies on papal interpretation. It may still be goofiness, but it's a much differently evolved species of goofiness.
Corruption favors the wealthy.
Magisterium
He splits hares out of his miter.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
. . . not the Rabbit Catholics.
Corruption favors the wealthy.
different goofiness--but I would hardly call it evolved. And the Catholics have been in bed with the Evangelicals for some time now, and when you lay down with dogs...
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Mickey: "It was an epiphany. Do you know what an epipany is?"
Keoni: "NOT NOW MICKEY!"
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The religious screwballs in the world will cherry pick parts of the bible they believe in and will ignore the other stuff!
they don't like teh gays, and that's all there is to it
They did that years ago here in Maine. I guess we didn't fight them hard enough back then...
done.
it's not like they are not making a profit
Tax them!! They think they don't need to do charity any more? thats why they have tax exempt staus anyway
I know someone who's taught in Catholic schools for 30 years, and I make more on unemployment than she does in her weekly paycheck)...
for doubt to be cast on the the point that Kyl was totally full of it yesterday.
http://crooksandliars.com/susie-madrak/once-a...
"I mean Romney is the most conservative on illegal immigration and I don't think Ronald Reagan could get elected in California today."
Ann "Clipped" Coulter
at a catholic school in NJ and was laid off, when my went to collect unemployment benefits she was denied. It turned out that in NJ the catholic diocese won a court case to not pay unemployment incurance taxes because their non-lay people would never need it so why pay for for the lay employees. screwung their employees is standard operating procedure.
GOP Jesus wanted it.
or a hypocritical "pro-family" Catholic organization trying to welch on its future employees health care costs using same sex marriage as an excuse to hide behind. Perhaps they think it is better to be seen as homophobic than a Mr. Scrooge employer?
Eventually when you set up differential classes in benefits, you threaten the tax deductibility of those benefits for the class of employees with a better deal.
"I mean Romney is the most conservative on illegal immigration and I don't think Ronald Reagan could get elected in California today."
Ann "Clipped" Coulter
it's a two-fer!
Democracy is too important to be entrusted to politicians.
Rise Up!
Protest!
they probably always resented paying for spouse benefits because their "religious" work force would never need thaose benefits, as you know priests and nuns don't marry. see my post above "my wife taught".
anyway, they get to discrimenate with a message that they think will get them some conservatives into the flock PLUS save a few bucks.
Jeeze I hate cults.
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"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."
---Southwest Airlines
Isn't this discrimination? They are slectively ensuring people based on their sexual orientaion. Am I wrong?
they just decided not to insure any more spouses ..
see?
(despite all the self-incriminating things they've already said)
Democracy is too important to be entrusted to politicians.
Rise Up!
Protest!
time of employment. They may have to employ a pilot, oops, lawyer to deal with IRS.
"I mean Romney is the most conservative on illegal immigration and I don't think Ronald Reagan could get elected in California today."
Ann "Clipped" Coulter
they are not discriminating between hetro or homosexuals. There policies are even across the board. But even if they were why should it be illegal? For myself I don't care if a person is straight or gay for the most part. But if I as an employer (I'm not but I'm working on it) choose to hire or insure who I choose, why should that be illegal?
. . . and can claim a religious exemption, you have to obey the same laws as the rest of us, and that includes not discriminating based on specified bases in your public life.
Don't worry, the hypothetical "you" will still have plenty of opportunity to legally discriminate on most any basis in his private life, just not his public one.
Hey, even the Amish can be required to use an orange caution sign on public roads.
Corruption favors the wealthy.
but why should that effect who I hire? For myself I'm going to hire whoever does the best job that I hire them for, regardless of race, color, religion, etc. But if I only choose to hire big breasted, red hair, green eyed, catholic, bisexual,irish girls who is to say I can't? Other than my wife that is.
. . . to drive on the right side of the road? Other than your wife that is.
Corruption favors the wealthy.
An interesting question, though. If individuals can discriminate, can churches? What about private corporations? Do the laws against discrimination apply ONLY to governmental institutions?
apply to only the gov, but I feel they should. As a white male I have been discriminated against, the only time I've had a problem with it was when I was turned down for a promotion because they had to promote a minority. I was told and this is verbatim that the reason I wasn't promoted was "they had to promote a woman or a minority" they agreed that I was better qualified for the promotion but they had to promote someone else because of racial issues.
Just because you have an opinion does not mean it is correct. Name something private that, without a governmental connection (funding, for example) is ruled by anti-discrimination laws? This is the same mentality that thinks because a restaurant is open to the public that they cannot keep certain people out.
have seen, there was a coffee shop that was hit by a lawsuit for anti minority practices. The name of the place was Karls Korner Koffe. He had a sign on the door saying "******s not welcome" He didn't refuse service to them but he preferred them not to come to his location. While I don't agree with him, I do agree with his right to not allow blacks into his business.
you WHINE when YOU feel you are discriminated again? But it's somehow okay for someone to do that against blacks as it does not affect you, whether you agree with it or not. Facisnating.
I don't whine when it happens to me. I can care less if a business decides to discriminate against me because of my skin color or my religion or anything else. That is their choice, I do care when that choice is made by the gov.
maybe whine was a bit strong, but you still think it's unfair, when it happens to just you. And not others.
BTW, use the expression correctly...it's "couldn't care less". Just FYI.
I do feel its unfair. It doesn't matter if it's me or someone else. When the Gov decides who get promotions based on race or sex yes that is unfair. Again I don't care if it happens because of company policy, but if it happens because of Gov policy then that is a totally different story.
BTW I wrote it correctly, as did you. Both are acceptable although mine is more so.
Could NOT care less, means there is no way to care any less about a subject. Could care less, makes no sense...if you could care less, then why don't you? Makes no sense. As for your argument that the government cannot not discriminate, but individuals can, that makes no sense also.
Do have anything to argue about other than my grammar? Honesstly can you argue the points I'm making?
You're just too bigoted and stupid to understand...So, I'll just leave off, as there's no point trying to get you to understand anything since you are unwilling to admit any error that you consistently make. And I'm not speaking about your incorrect use of a phrase.
It is illegal for the government to discriminate. Regardless of your feelings about it.
And, if you "could care less," it means that you have some feelings about the topic. It is the opposite of "couldn't care less," which means you have NO feelings about the topic.
Misinterpretation of how to implement Affirmative Action policy and incompetence by hiring personnel causes what you complain about.
Either "they" all told you you were passed over for promotion in favor of another in the name of affirmative action because they didn't want to tell you that you did not deserve the promotion. Or "they" were as stupid themselves as you are demonstrating yourself to be in this discussion.
"I mean Romney is the most conservative on illegal immigration and I don't think Ronald Reagan could get elected in California today."
Ann "Clipped" Coulter
I worked for was required to promote a certain percentage of females and minorities. I worked in a casino as a craps dealer. I spent 2 months learning the game they rushed her though an 8 hr class to get her qualified. There was another supervisor they did the same thing for, he was worthless on the craps table. I actually enjoyed messing with him, he would call the pit supervisors over on a regular occasion because of what I was doing, they all came down on my side, although one of them did ask me not to do it anymore because it caused him problems.
You did not get promoted because "you actually enjoyed messing" with bosses you felt were inferior to you and in a superior position over you based on race. It is called bigotry, racism, and it's counterpruductive. Bigots cause problems period, but big ones when in supervisory positions.
How many of those "pit bosses" who all came down on your side were white males who shared your view about incompetent women or minorities?
The biggest problem with affirmative action is the excuse it gives white men to deny their own failure to succeed and blame it on others.
I sure hope you don't have a pilot's license. Bet you gotta gun permit though.
"I mean Romney is the most conservative on illegal immigration and I don't think Ronald Reagan could get elected in California today."
Ann "Clipped" Coulter
messing with was white. And I didn't enjoy messing with him because of his promotion. I enjoyed it because the first time he sat box on the table I was dealing at he gave me crap about paying the field with my inside hand. Dealers are "supposed" to pay the field with their outside hand, but I had a known cheater right next to me and I would of had to turn my back to him to do so. And I would rather watch him directly rather than in the mirror.
they were inferior to me, the lady that was promoted was excellent on roulette. She just didn't know craps well enough to be sitting box. But they needed another supervisor who knew craps so they rushed her through a quick class. I was very nice to her and helped her out. Because she knew she wasn't qualified to be sitting box and didn't give me a hard time about petty stuff. The couple of times I worked as a mucker on her roulette table I didn't try to tell her how to deal it, because she knew a hell of a lot more than me on that game. She knew I knew more on craps so she didn't try to tell me how to deal it.
And yes I have a license to carry, a lifetime one as a matter of fact.
They should have shit canned you on the spot. You were causing the company trouble and costing them money with your immature games.
the company any money. And what I did to mess with him was actually part of my job, I was supposed to be entertaining. I paid out bets in a creative manner that was it, he just couldn't follow the payouts. I did the same thing with every other supervisor, heck I did it more with ones that could follow what I was doing. I actually took it easy on the guy I was messing with. Although the one that asked me not to do it with this guy did threaten to write me up for it once when I was on his table. He said I know what your doing, but they eye in the sky can't follow it, if I get a call from them I'm going to write you up for making me explain to them what your doing.
. . . Karl had another which said:
Corruption favors the wealthy.
won the lawsuit, because he didn't discriminate. Everyone who entered got the same service.
And I noticed you didn't deny that he was begging for a lawsuit.
Hey, if your food doesn't sell, sell some bigotry.
Corruption favors the wealthy.
is that he was sued for his policies. No one made people of color go there, it was there choice. And how did I not deny that he was begging for a lawsuit? I'm all for his rights to refuse service to anyone. Same as any other business owner including the ones I've been kicked out of because I was a white male.
white male is deafening.
I have been refused service. I have no problem with that. You seem to demand that business owners don't have that right. Once again as the hopefully soon to be business owner I couldn't care less about my hypothetical employees race/religion/sexuality etc, I'm going to hire who will do the job the best.
you got the expression correct, of couurse without ever admitting error. And not having the ability to recognize sarcasm. I suggest you go over to the Supreme Court gun thread that's started, you'll love it there.
to go play there?
"I mean Romney is the most conservative on illegal immigration and I don't think Ronald Reagan could get elected in California today."
Ann "Clipped" Coulter
with buttless chaps.....and no shirt.
Sorry...where was I?
. . . of textbook discrimination against a white male.
In my youngish mid-forties as a white male, I've experienced exactly none.
Nor, aside from test cases like Bakke, have I ever even heard of one directly from someone it happened to.
I guess that's the funny thing about anecdotes: everybody's got 'em.
Corruption favors the wealthy.
did you ever live in Gary IN? As a youngish very late 30's male (I turn 40 this year) I have been subject to discrimination. I have been told quote:" Get the hell out of this store whitey or your going to get killed". And again quote "your kind aint welcome here. Does that sound like discrimination to you?
Chicago, USA.
And never heard the term "whitey" either. Plenty of others, but not "whitey."
Corruption favors the wealthy.
sounds to me like those businesses just didn't want assholes in their stores.
gynecologists offices.
But I was applying for a position as a white male to fill a vacancy previously held by an Hispanic male who had once been my subordinate. My immediate supervisor would have been a white male as was the other person in the position I applied for. All three of us white men would have been working for a membership organization that was predominately female and non white. I may have been passed over because of sex and race. Had I been hired I am sure many would have thought it was because of that too.
"I mean Romney is the most conservative on illegal immigration and I don't think Ronald Reagan could get elected in California today."
Ann "Clipped" Coulter
Gotta love the "policies." Look Ma! I'm a businessman. I get to make policies!
So, if his "policy" is to serve tainted meat, then who is to say he shouldn't? Except his wife that is.
Human behavior in public life is regulated in countless ways - including traffic laws. Nobody is forcing this idiot to operate his public diner. He could always do it as a private club or not do it at all.
But if he chooses to operate a public diner, then he has to obey the laws governing such an operation - including laws protecting the public safety and interest. It's his choice.
He doesn't have to drive on the right either - except when he's on a public road. His choice.
Corruption favors the wealthy.
serve tainted meat, and posted it on his door, then the people that choose to frequent his establishment are the ones to worry about it.
Yes human behavior is regulated in countless ways, but streets are not a private business. Compare it to your home, I don't think you would like me in your home would you? Do I have a right to be there?
My mistake then. It was my understanding this diner was open to the public.
Corruption favors the wealthy.
if it was a business that forbids guns on the premises, my goodness how the tune would change.
the tune wouldn't change. It's their business what they allow. I'm actually against a current bill in my state that would force businesses to allow guns in employees cars. I agree with part of it that businesses can't be sued if they allow them, but I disagree that they should be forced to do so.
Come on Lib care to try again?
go speak to your precious NRA, that seems to want everyone everywhere to brandish guns openly. I have no problems with responsible gun ownership, that's not what a lot of these gun owners are, responsible.
You just are incapable or admitting error aren't you? That's sad.
they are the most anti gun for gun group there is. The current USSC case they forced their way into, yes forced their way into to argue on a lessor stance. The original plaintiffs lawyers were seeking to overturn the slaughterhouse decision. The NRA forced themselves into the hearing to argue not that but that the 2nd amendment be selectively incorporated. As a former member of the NRA trust me they are not as pro gun as you think.
As I can tell it's going nowhere. Go to the Supreme Court Gun thread. Your posts will be better suited there. I say this because we seem to be going off topic, not as any kind of snark.
office. All I can conclude from his "arguments" is that it sucks to have to listen to him.
There's plenty of different scripts to use. But even this one, straight out of virtually any anti-affirmative action pamphlet, has its flaws.
The bottom line to this particular one is that the employer gets to not give someone a promotion and still have that employee redirect any resentment, not at the employer that denied the promotion, but at those horribly powerful women or minorities. Convenient?
Who got the job BTW? A woman or a minority? 'Cause it doesn't seem like the employer would naturally reference both regarding only one specific instance.
Corruption favors the wealthy.
It's what's called a loophole. In order to facilitate their bigotry and hatred, they're punishing everyone married or related to their employees, the vast majority being not in the category they're weeding out. Merciful, isn't it?
Jesus is spinning in his grave, poor guy.
There's always free cheddar in the mousetrap, baby. - Tom Waits
"Christianity" gives religion a bad name ..
Democracy is too important to be entrusted to politicians.
Rise Up!
Protest!
Even Unitarians?
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
to be a lapsed Catholic.......which I have been since the 70s. I believe it began with Roe v. Wade and I was old enough to realize I didn't want my life to be ruled by a bunch of men who had never met me--or any other men, for that matter.
“The greatest evildoers are those who don’t remember because they have never given thought to the matter, and, without remembrance, nothing can hold them back,”
Does that mean you say your r's funny?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPGb4STRfKw
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
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“The greatest evildoers are those who don’t remember because they have never given thought to the matter, and, without remembrance, nothing can hold them back,”
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for marrying my daddy and when I went to communion I bit the wafer to see the blood run down my chin. I only had to recover my serious expression while being led away from the altar. Spared the buggery, I guess.
"I mean Romney is the most conservative on illegal immigration and I don't think Ronald Reagan could get elected in California today."
Ann "Clipped" Coulter
Your loss.
Nor do I like the smell of Irish whiskey over the back.
"I mean Romney is the most conservative on illegal immigration and I don't think Ronald Reagan could get elected in California today."
Ann "Clipped" Coulter
Whenever anyone asks me why I'm not a Catholic anymore, I say "I gave it up for Lent."
There's always free cheddar in the mousetrap, baby. - Tom Waits
that our species evolves beyond religion before it's too late to save ourselves.
by not-so-intelligent design.
"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."
---Southwest Airlines
Ah, celibate men in dresses making judgments about people's sexuality. That made me laugh when I was a 13 year old in Catholic school and it still amuses me today.
If you shine you shoes real good, can you see the pope's panties under his cassock?
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
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"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."
---Southwest Airlines
It isn't the shoes YOU wear to look at other people's panties. It is the shoes that lets OTHERS see your panties. It is the reflection.
That is why the pope wears red Guccis instead of black. Don't any of the nuns you know tell you anything?
"I mean Romney is the most conservative on illegal immigration and I don't think Ronald Reagan could get elected in California today."
Ann "Clipped" Coulter
The Pope Wears Prada!
too bad it doesn't exist. These child rapists are the biggest hypocrites, and any reasonable Catholic should reject their "governance".
What is the straight guy's facination with lesbians? Is it because you find homosexuality demeaning, ad it's okay for women to demean themselves, but not men? Of is it just the eye slippage factor? That is when you watch 2 women together, there is no chance of seeing a penis, which would be oh so bad. Seriously,I don't get it. I've seen straight porn, but I don't freak out if a vagina flies in front of the camera. And two women kiss in public, it's hot, but two men? It's either gross or a joke. Seriously, what is it with so-called straight men?
Yeah, there's two p*ssies there, but I know I ain't gonna get either.
I prefer one in the bush to two in the hand, but maybe that's just me.
"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."
---Southwest Airlines
Most people on C&L don't like bush. ;)
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"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."
---Southwest Airlines
...any disrespect towards Gay men at all...it's simply a preference. For me it's like going to a doubleheader baseball for the price of one.
I'd just never understood it. Totally lost on me. I will say though, you guys missed some good Desperate Housewives last Sunday then. Very hot Lesbian character.
Everybody's got their thing. You can't quantify sexual desire. What turns one person on will leave another person cold. It's like the "type" phenomenon - "he's my type", "she's not my type". Why do some people like redheads, or black guys, or Asian ladies? Why did I like blond guys when I was younger, but don't find them all that interesting anymore? Beats me. It's a mystery of human sexuality, and there's no point in trying to understand it.
There's always free cheddar in the mousetrap, baby. - Tom Waits
But there's nothing like a butch muscular blond that can control the weather. ;)
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"I mean Romney is the most conservative on illegal immigration and I don't think Ronald Reagan could get elected in California today."
Ann "Clipped" Coulter
You said "think" and "Republicans" in the same sentence!
"balls" that had me believing there was both Republicans (who have balls) and thinking (because that's the organ dominating the process) involved here. I forgot that the impact of testosterone on Republicans is due to involuntary muscle action, not thought. "Think" and "Republican" are mutually esclusive and, again, there were just too many balls in the air for me not to get slapped upside the head.
Sorry fellas. It won't happen again.
"I mean Romney is the most conservative on illegal immigration and I don't think Ronald Reagan could get elected in California today."
Ann "Clipped" Coulter
must be a teabagger with all those pears and balls slapping your head.
;)
(eXclusive) BTW.
you get called names. Sheez, no wonder TimothyJoesephWillieWinky won't admit his mistakes.
"I mean Romney is the most conservative on illegal immigration and I don't think Ronald Reagan could get elected in California today."
Ann "Clipped" Coulter
When I was an undergraduate, I worked the night-shift at a major Chicago Hotel on Michigan ave. Each year in August we'd get this Conservative women's organization's convention for a long weekend. The demands for porn would be incredible from these Christian ladies during their stay.
with stolen church funds, gets me rising faster than Jesus on Easter morning...
"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."
---Southwest Airlines
Another reason to stop giving money and going to churches. Going to church may be familiar and comforting, but this demonstrates the non adherence to the scripture that they supposedly represent. Therefore, even the social aspects of churches, which are their only redeeming quality, are decrepit.
From Blackwater to Xe, the Templar CrusadeJan 10, 2010 ... From Blackwater to Xe, the Templar Crusade. Mercenary soldiers and security personnel for the US government. by Michael Carmichael ...
www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&ai... - Cached
This is a MUST read,about Prince's Catholic Connection.
If you recall, the Catholics and the Evangelicals have joined together in their hatred of gays, abortion, and are closerthanthis with Dobson's Focus on the Family and Family Research Council.Prince as a very young man was an intern for Gary Bauer at the original Family Research Council,at that time headed by Gary Bauer.(His family donated seed money to Bauer to create the FRC.)There is a group entitled ECT-Evangelical and Catholics Together,of whom Prince is now a member.
And it is not coincidence that Focus on the Family has a tie to the lawyer that TelePimp O'Keefe has representing him for trying to manipulate Mary Landrieu's telephones in New Orleans.
O'Keefe had punked Planned Parenthood with a call offering to donate money to abort black fetuses.
Funny they never took a step to prevent their pedophile clergy from receiving health insurance.
"When it comes to bullshit, big-time, major league bullshit, you have to stand in awe of the all time champion of false promises and exaggerated claims - religion. Religion has actually convinced people that there's an invisible man in the sky who watches everything you do. And the invisible man has a special list of ten things he doesn't want you to do. And if you do any of these ten things, he has a special place, full of fire and smoke and burning and torture and anguish, where he will send you to live and suffer and burn and choke and scream and cry forever and ever 'til the end of time! ...but he loves you!"
http://www.rense.com/general69/obj.htm
So how come it was OK to take tax money from gay for years. Becasue the tax money they received would have been collected for straight and gay.
Oh, yeah and about this pedophile prients, they pay taxes too and that was also in the tax pool.
feed the hungry if D.C. recognized gay marriages. They're bullies who have none of the compassion that Jesus had. Shame on them!
I've never seen change without a fire
When it can truly be said "they've dropped any pretense that they're applying the spirit of Jesus' teachings," that will be news indeed.
They may have forfeited the right to maintain the pretense -- in this instance certainly -- but the pretense is as vigorious as ever.
But that's not the end of the story. While the Church's stand on gays is wicked, it is bad news for the neighborhood -- including its large gay population -- that St. Vincent's hospital in Manhattan is closing.
That was where my closest friend, gay and Jewish, died in 1990, of AIDS. It was a Catholic Hospital that cared for him in that hour. I loved him, but did I do as much for him?
These are the same people who will fight to the death to insure that every blastocyst and embryo has a right to life... but once past the birth canal, the hell with them.
If these pious frauds think they're going to heaven, someone with a tail and a pitchfork is going to have the last laugh.
I've been a catholic ny whole life, I've become more and more disillusioned, don't go to church anymore but really didn't have too much trouble calling myself catholic when asked about my religious beliefs, no matter how agnostic I always was.
Until now.
When priests were exposed again in the scandals a few tears back I realized then that not all priests were guilty and the church powerful were to blame for coverups. But, I had seen the church do more through charity in the inner cities that many give them credit for.
When John-Paul died a few years ago and it was time for the cardinals to elect a successor they chose the conservative route, they started pushing back on 'select' politicians on 'select' issues (read: democrats/abortion/gay marriage) and not others (read: republicans-war/dealth penalty/poverty).
Now that charity is on the chopping block in order to compete for conservative asshole membership with evengelicals I really can't stand for it anymore. I've always had my own seperate views on abortion and gay marriage but knew parrish priests who would tell me that my faith (weak as it was) was not challenged by those beliefs, now I am the enemy.
given to CC by the Office of Faith Based--whatever. 100 million--why not the Red Cross? One would think if you were getting 100 MILLION dollars from the U.S. Government, and were still tax-exempt some rules would apply. You can be dammned sure the name on the bus that pulls up to the disaster doesn;t say U.S. Taxpayer--it says Catholic Charities--continuing to pull the wool over peoples eyes--pretending it's their money.
time for the government to quit supporting hate based charities
If you can't spell benefits. Neither do you.
What is your conceptual, continuity?
The city government should immediately end the charity contracts with these bigots and give them to some actual charitable organizations!
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