Terror Plotter's Sick Brother: 'He Did It For Me'
By Susie Madrak Monday May 25, 2009 4:00pmTalk about a terror plot! You got your faux jihad, you got your inadequate health insurance (nothing single payer wouldn't fix!) and you got an FBI informant who supplied a motive. Now, I wonder how they thought all of this would play in court? I mean, we were planning to try these people, yes?
"My insurance wasn't good enough," said Lord McWilliams, 20, who has a deadly liver disease.
His brother, David Williams, wanted money "to speed up the process," McWilliams said. "Medicaid only goes so far."
He dismissed as "crazy" federal accusations that Williams was a Jew-hater who wanted to wage jihad.
McWilliams said the FBI informant who lured his brother and three other hapless petty criminals into a plot to blow up synagogues and shoot down a plane promised enough money to take care of his transplant.
"[My brother] told me, 'Don't worry, when you go to the doctor, tell them you got money,'" McWilliams said.
McWilliams, who has already had his spleen removed, said his brother told him he would have $20,000 for the operation.
Their mother, Elizabeth McWilliams, said her older son had told her he would be able to give her a wad of cash Thursday, which was the day after the terrorist plot was to have been carried out.
"He was a loving, sweet kid. He took his brother's illness worse than me," she said.
Lord McWilliams said the informant, who often drove his brother to the hospital to visit, even promised to take him to Universal Studios when he was well again.
"He said I didn't have to pay for nothing," McWilliams said.
Federal prosecutors say Williams, 28; James Cromitie, 44; Laguerre Payen, 27, and Onta Williams, 32, all of upstate Newburgh, were militant Muslims caught on tape railing against Jews and plotting to blow up Jewish temples.
They were arrested last Wednesday while planting what they thought were plastic explosives outside two Riverdale synagogues.
They also had a Stinger missile - phony, supplied by the FBI - with which they allegedly planned to shoot down a military plane. Family and friends say the four were down-on-their luck ex-cons who apparently thought they would be paid by the FBI informant.
In dozens of interviews around Newburgh, no one can remember hearing any of the four talk of Jews or jihad. They had converted to Islam in prison, but they drank beer, ate pork and rarely prayed, family members said.
I hardly know what to say. What's worse: A healthcare system where someone is so desperate, he'd blow up buildings to pay for his brother's treatment, or an FBI that thinks nothing of setting people up so they can claim they caught some "terrorists"?
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the Oklahoma City Bombing slipped through the cracks.
The difference is that the Oklahoma Bombing wasn't an FBI plot. This was an FBI ploy, a play, a sting, to demonstrate the prowess of the FBI.
If only they spent their time and resources foiling the plots of the Tim McVeighs and the Eric Rudolphs.
old program: COINTEL
shadow government plot. The Feds finally admitted that there were others involved in the bombing who were never caught and whose participation was covered up for years after the fact. A little strange that the FBI would lie to the country and say McVeigh and Nichols were solely responsible.
So maybe this was an FBI plot to "catch some terrorists", and right when Dick Cheney was most trying to justify his torture chambers.
And maybe OKC was an FBI plot to blow up a federal building. Whichever, in both cases the facts don't support the official story.
A plot which the planned and killed 163 children in a daycare.
I can't think of anything more evil. And if you want truth, find the footage of the DAY it occurred and the 3 bombs that were found in the building.
the lack of education is a contributing factor.
The Feds just trapped the Apple Dumpling Gang!
Talk about handing the defense the case on a silver platter.
Sad that the FBI played on brotherly love to lure these hapless folks into this "plot." Of course conservatives will jump all over them.
All the FBI succedded in doing is demonstrating that you can recruit people to do things for you with money.
That's right, and if that guy had medical coverage he might not have been dragged into the FBI plot.
This FBI is depraved and the medical plan sucks.
...desperation and haplessness all the way around. The real shame is that only one side to the entire charade will go to prison and the other side will probably get promotions.
At least one will get medical treatment he wouldn't have gotten by following the "rules".
There can be nothing lower in my mind than the well armed, staffed and powerful setting up the disconnected, desperate, impoverished and ignorant in order to better their careers. Welcome to America!
katenh you nailed it. Simply a sign of the times where as a nation we have completely lost our moral compass. There doesn't seem to be anything that can't be justified by our fear
terrorist,shooting,hate crimes and such,that they always throw in that the supposed terrorist,shooters etc. wanted to kill jews,Even though you can see they don't have enought education to tell the difference between a jew and a cherokee,
Must be a requirement for the funding
This is what the FBI is good at.
Not preventing 9-11's, but catching dangerous animal rights activists, "eco-terrorists" and soon, progressives (they've been working on that one for years).
Like the CIA, none of them ever gets charged for their crimes (unless they turn on their own, then they get revenge).
Spain, the FBI coined a special phrase: "Premature Antifascists." Savor the Orwellian cruelty and hypocrisy of that moniker.
Good thing his ma didn't need an iron lung.
he would have wanted an f-14?
I bet even Wikipedia and google can find it for you quickly. Then you'll know why I have this name.
COINTELPRO: THE FBI'S COVERT ACTION PROGRAMS AGAINST AMERICAN CITIZENS
Even If the Courts threw out the case, the neo-nazis could care less. For them, it would be just another example of "liberal" judges and a soft legal system that they could campaign to "toughen up"
These neo-nazis "win" either way
to help his family members, to prolong their lives, according to Newt Gingrich.
Isn't this the same?
but scaled down a whole helluva lot.
is operating on the inverse here?
who thinks blowing up synagogues will get him health care is in need of "mental" health care. they may be stupid, but putting what they think is explosives next to synagogues is indicative of a criminal, albeit a stupid one.
good observation. he probably does need mental health care. but can he pay for it?
He's under treatment for schizophrenia.
There you go. I could probably convince a schizophrenic to do stuff too.
don't know what these guys were told or what they thought they were placing outside the buildings. The FBI needed some terrorists, so it manufactured them.
"What's worse: A healthcare system where someone is so desperate, he'd blow up buildings to pay for his brother's treatment, or an FBI that thinks nothing of setting people up so they can claim they caught some "terrorists"?"
what's worse is always when someone is setup.
this sounds like a desperate fbi plot to make
itself look good. criminals are not to be
tolerated, but the fbi informant regardless
appears to actually be the real terrorist in
this case.
and why should we trust our govt? when this
kind of bs happends. it does not make us safe.
it makes us weak and desperately incompetent.
it makes us weak and desperately incompetent.
That is what we have been for the last eight years!
Weak and Incompetent!
..weak or incompetent. It was the victim of bad leadership!
We had the competentcy, our leaders lacked interlect and compassion. They were greedy and mobilized the greatest army in the world in order to make their rich friends richer. But we were never weak or incompetent. Had we actually gone after OBL, captured him when he was in our sights and then left the Middle East, we would have been better off but much of America was fooled into thinking that W and his crime family actually knew what they were doing.
...willing to say anything for some money.
COINTELPRO: THE FBI'S COVERT ACTION PROGRAMS AGAINST AMERICAN CITIZENS
aren't you sensitive and maybe a racists.
what a disgusting attitude.
Everyday I deal with minorities desperate for money and willing to do almost anything for it. I work everyday, buying them clothes for court, knowing I will never be paid my full fee, simply trying to keep them out of jail. Now what the fuck do you do?
If my directness "offends" your progressively thinned skin, please feel free to ignore me.
Its your ignorance.
...in criminal matters such as these than virtually anyone who bloggs here. Terminology such as "broke ass brothers" is quite common where I live and work. If that by your standards makes me "ignorant" that just serves as a cool reminder that I'm not you...something I never want to be.
who thinks s/he's up to schooling you. Not.
:P
Reminds me of Catholic School. :(
dadams above shows he doesn't know a damn thing about racism. And FiltyHarry, in his two cents worth reveals blatant ignorance.
I understood you completely in your characterization of some brothers in desperate times doing desperate things.
The disengenous sensibilities by some here make me want to barf!
I've really ruined the effect of swearing by overusing it.
That said, it's a hell of a habit to break.
And please, post as yourself. It feels like a box of saltines in here some days...
:D
...who was set up by the FBI. We write him every day and send him money. When he gets out, he will be here with us (and he's never been to Texas.)
If I were an attorney I'd be doing what you do, but if everybody did SOMEthing, it would lighten the load of those who carry one.
Directness is not a problem with me. Someone mistaking that for "ignorance" simply shows a lack of understanding of the nature of these situations. Or worse, maybe. Benefit of the doubt until proven moronic.
Most alleged criminals(and many convicted) just want to feel cared about. Their eyes just light up when they are treated like a human being. And they appreciate honestly and directness that they can comprehend. Nothing is absolute, but I've never had a problem with clients concerning my vernacular...if they expressed a difficulty with it, I'd immediately discontinue.
I DO understand.
Back when I was in paralegal school, one of the instructors was an overworked public defender. You should have seen her face when she announced one evening, "I got a directed verdict today!"
Over the next few weeks we heard about how she was regularly pulled over by the county sheriffs for-- whatever. Every time she drove that road.
She carried 300+ cases per year, tried many of them, and was burned out so badly that she gave up law about three years later.
The other instructor was the highest-sentencing Superior Court judge in Arizona. He turned my stomach.
But my true understanding comes because I was set up, years ago, and didn't know how to recognize entrapment when it happened to me.
It sounds like bush/chenny, willing to do anything for money. Well all republicans as far as I can see!
Did they really need a team of 70 people to entrap a bunch of halfwits?<
...when I read "an FBI that thinks nothing of setting people up so they can claim they caught some "terrorists"?" the first thing I think of is: Glad it wasn't me!
But I guess that is the state of the country today: No outrage by the govt inflicted on people just picked up off the street can be dismissed as outrageous.
the number of FAKE TERROR PLOTS that were imagined and facilitated by the FBI and then used in the MEDIA to perpetuate the mythical WAR OF TERROR.
Terrorism is not a grave threat to Americans, despite what our urine-soaked underwear may imply. We just tend to believe whatever the corporate news tells us to and fiercely defend our right to mass murder civilian populations because we saw a spooky shadow on the wall.
It's about the problem-du-jour.
There's a great dialogue in The Matrix about the way people will fight you when you're trying to free them...
I haven't seen a rash of disgruntled patients blowing up anything yet.
Mostly they just kill themselves.
than any other line of work.
There will always be people who will self promote their own career by any means necessary. If the boss wants them to find terrorists, they will do what ever they have to do to find "terrorists"
The FBI was arresting 70+ year old men for taking bets in candy stores while Al-Quada was planning their attacks because the push was on at that time for organized crime figures and they most of the big fish had already been taken out. Meanwhile they ignored reports of suspicious Middle Eastern flight school students.
I have to wonder if history is going to repeat itself and there's things that are being ignored while they seem to be hard at work luring not so smart low level criminals into "terrorist plots".
Isn't it amazing what doctors demand in pay?
I voted for Obama, and, altho I'm a bit disappointed in him, I trust him far more than that idiot panderer ["We are all Georgians"] McCain, and certainly more than Bush. OK, with that said, why on earth would I believe anything the FBI says?
You make your own.
Remember when the neocons said that they make their own reality? and while you were learning of it they would make a new reality.
Well offering poor people in dire straights money to do things they probably never thought of themselves does nothing to keep the country safe. Just like torture did nothing to keep the country safe, just like attacking Iran did nothing to keep the country safe.
This is really sick but in the last thirty years and amplified over the last eight years. Ignorance, greed, and stupidity have been the major driving factors behind the republican party. Now it is time for the party to end for the good of not only America but the rest of the world also!
I thought the FBI guy was playing a mole or an informant, not that he was playing the actual villain mastermind role.
Well then it will be easy to arrest many other alledged terrorists, I'm sure every tramp in the Bronx will be ready to blow up some synagogues.
In Europe this would not stand a chance in trial, you can infiltrate and tape them to get info on their plot to get them arrested, but the moment the undercover cop is suggesting to commit a crime then it's considered provocation and the criminals cannot be condemned for a crime which police forces influenced them to do.
Otherwise it would be too easy to get people convicted. Therefor a women cop cannot play the prostitue and go to catch actively clients to bust them, they have to be caught with an actual prostitue who is not used as a setup.
This has various declinations, you can sell them fake drugs if they are looking for it, but you can't go contact someone and tell him "hey I've got a great opportunity for you!".
outside synagogues. Frankly, I don't give a damn what their personal motivations were. Most of the folks who go through the criminal justice system believe that they had excellent reasons for doing what they did. "Apple Dumpling Gang"? Yeah, maybe if the Apple Dumpling Gang wore SS Death's Head insignia and plotted to kill all the Jews in town.
This is what happens when you create a department of paranoia. It has to come up with reasons to justify its continued existence, and if it can't find them, it will concoct them out of nothing.
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