August 17, 2013

Here's another segment from Fox's "business block" or as they like to call it, "The Cost of Freedom" where every Saturday, they continue to prove that they hate the working class, as our friends over at Media Matters discussed this weekend, they don't know anything about the economy or what's kept Americans out of poverty, and as they did in this segment from Cavuto's show, they'd also like to dupe their viewers into believing that a single-payer health care system would be very bad for them.

Following Harry Reid's statement this week that "Obamacare" or The Affordable Care Act, would eventually lead to the United States moving to a single-payer system and that it was a step in the right direction, the yappers over at Fox are yelling, conspiracy theory! Hah! We knew it all along that this was just a stealth plan to impose single-payer health care on the country! The horror!

I cleaned up the closed captioning on this mess to transcribe it, hopefully without too many typos. Just check out all of the reasons they gave for people to be afraid of the government being their insurer instead of these private insurance companies.

Here's the most ridiculous statement of the day from Charles Payne:

And the prices are going to go up. The quality is going to go down. Innovation's going to be thrown out the window. I don't know, when people dis the private sector, they need to understand where we are as a nation, where we've come from, and it's because of the profit motivation, in my mind we're as healthy as we are.

People say well, they live longer in other countries. Yeah, but we're the fattest, happiest country in the world, and I think we're doing pretty good because of the medical system.

Tell that to the person working for minimum wage that doesn't have any insurance that can't afford to treat their diabetes. We're "fat and happy" and I'm rich and don't have to worry about paying for my health care, so everything's wonderful. What a freaking idiot. More of their nonsense below the fold.

CAVUTO: So holy Harry, did Harry Reid just let his party's real health care plan out of the bag? Hi everyone. I'm Neil Cavuto and it looks like Democrats goal all along with was to ban private health care in America. Now, that's not me saying this, even though I have often said it. More on me later, my favorite subject.

Now back to the Senate Majority Leader and what he was saying when asked about whether he was actually working to scrap our present health insurance pay system.

(Begin video)

REID: Obamacare is have a step in the right direction, but we’re far from having something that’s going to work forever.

SEBELIUS: So eventually, you think we'll work beyond insurance...

REID: Yes. Absolutely. Yes.

(End video)

CAVUTO: Did you hear that? Goodbye private health insurance. Hello government-run health care. But don't say I didn't warn you. […]

All right, to our soothsayers Charles Payne and Dagen McDowell along with Adam Lashinsky, and Gary Kaltbaum. Alright, Charles, you were saying the signals were there and now we're getting confirmation.

PAYNE: Now we're getting confirmation, and it's going to be a painful confirmation process because ultimately when this happens we were talking about pushing out the private sector. We're talking about all of our worst nightmares with respect to this kind of stuff.

And the prices are going to go up. The quality is going to go down. Innovation's going to be thrown out the window. I don't know, when people dis the private sector, they need to understand where we are as a nation, where we've come from, and it's because of the profit motivation, in my mind we're as healthy as we are.

People say well, they live longer in other countries. Yeah, but we're the fattest, happiest country in the world, and I think we're doing pretty good because of the medical system.

CAVUTO: By the way, the word is calorically challenged. Ummm... Dagen.

MCDOWELL: If you were a conspiracy theorist, you would believe that the current Obamacare was written that way to be so unwieldy, to make it so you can't implement it, that people will hate it so much that you do end up going to a single-payer system, where a Democrat like Harry Reid can point to Medicare and say, hey, that's what we need, we need Medicare for all.

That's what you've heard from other Democrats in Congress. Maybe that happens, but there's so many people fighting the idea of a single-payer system. It flies in the face of everything we believe in.

CAVUTO: Yeah, but if you get fed up with your insurance premiums, who knows it better than back in your home state of Florida, where they're going up, and in some cases doubling, you might run away from that private insurance happily, right?

KALTBAUM: But, in the long run, single payer is going to kill. Just remember, the definition of single-payer is they run the purse strings. They in and out the money and that's what these people care about. The problem with all of this is that these are the people that created $17 trillion in debt. These are the people, Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, how those things are doing and as you said it best, profit motive, there is no profit motive when government's running it and it's just going to blow up.

We already know the health care bill, they've had to cancel things, postpone things. The price is double what it originally was. Uhhh... taxpayer, you're dead.

CAVUTO: You know, Adam, I don't think anyone is ever that cleaver and devious, but you could argue that, you know having 30 million who are not insured, suddenly insured, those with preexisting conditions get insured, kids stay on your policy until they're 80 or whatever it is.

I'm joking. It's 26. But you would know the math and know that premiums will go way up and you would know that people would get very annoyed by that. And you would know that would push them into the very thing you wanted all along, wouldn't you?

LASHINSKY: Well, it's an interesting conspiracy theory, Neil. I'll tweak it a little bit. I'll say, there was no secret that a large segment of the Democratic party or some segment -- I shouldn't say large -- I don't know how large, was in favor of a single payer plan, for good reason.

You know, Charles made a very good point. It gets down to values and what you believe in. I'll offer you an example. We have a single payer military in this country. We've decided really the government should pay for all of it because we want our country defended well, not sort of, not most people defended, but everybody defended.

That's what people who favor a single payer health plan favor, everybody getting medical care in this country. But i don't think that Harry Reid tipped his hand. He tipped his hand a long time ago.

MCDOWELL: Number one, everybody already gets medical care in this country, that you can go to a hospital and get that very thing. The thing people disagree with is the government making all of their health care decisions in essence where you wind up with a financially unstable, untenable health care system and then the government will end up having to ration care. There are no two ways about it. That's what we're in and I think that people don't want that...

LASHINSKY: You make a good point, that people can go to the hospital and get care. We're all agreed that that has worked terribly. That doesn't give people the sort of, you know, preventive care they need. It's extremely expensive. And I just want to say, as I've said many times, insurance equals rationing.

All insurance companies, mine, yours, they all ration to an extent. They say, no, you can't get that procedure, yes, you can get this procedure. We'll only...

CAVUTO: By the way, when it's just one guy doing it.

LASHINSKY: That's the way it works.

CAVUTO: When it's one entity doing it, when it's just the government doing it, there goes choice. But I'll leave that aside. I'll also leave the military health care analogy. We have branches of the military. They have a track record that seems to be fairly successful. The government on other matters, I don't know so much.

But Gary, where are we going with this and between the delays, we have polls now showing most people don't like the direction this is going in, that we up-ended a system for which 90 percent of Americans were perfectly happy to cover the 10 percent who now, even now, aren't eager to sign up for this, foror what?

KALTBAUM: I'll give you one number. Where are we going? Depends on 2014. The elections are going to be very important if the Democrats get the House, they're going to be able to push this forward much quicker.

CAVUTO: You'll never the get the President to sign off on signing off on this, right?

KALTBAUM: But they can at least fight it in a way. I don't know what way but at least fight it. And look, my problem is the dollars with this. I would not trust Harry Reid to run my kid's lemonade stand, yet we're entrusting these people that have never run businesses...

CAVUTO: Actually, you think lemons, I mean, I might see the guy... (crosstalk)

KALTBAUM: My points is, this is a big part of the economy and all of a sudden they're going to run it, run it well, and run it profitably and carefully? My goodness...

LASHINSKY: That's not a fair statement. He's a legislator. He's not an administrator.

CAVUTO: Fair enough, but he's overseeing the guys who will and implementing the programs...

UNKNOWN: And his buddies...

LASHINSKY: No more so than before.

CAVUTO: Fair enough. I guess what I'm getting at is that we have a monstrous system that has now left the train station. Democrats argue you can't bring that train back. We know the train is significantly delayed if not close to getting derailed. Where is this going?

PAYNE: Well, to your point, the President's not going to probably do anything despite the fact there will be a big push... defund, to delay it, to defund it. I think...

CAVUTO: So you think that effort is a waste of time?

PAYNE: I don't think it's a waste of time but I don't think it will be successful initially. I think you have to keep the drums going...

CAVUTO: What I'm asking you, would you shut down the government over it. Would you attach that to...

PAYNE: ...a continuing resolution?


PAYNE: I would but I'm not running for re-election anywhere.... so. But I would.

CAVUTO: Would you Dagen do that?

PAYNE: But neither is the president.

MCDOWELL: That's a tall order, isn't it, though?

CAVUTO: I think it would be bad. My thought is, it would be very, very bad.

MCDOWELL: The one thing I wanted to point out though, you want to see what our national health care system would look like if it was single-payer? Just look at New York City. Now Michael Bloomberg is very concerned about what we eat in this city, how large the sodas are that we drink, the calorie content, the like.

It's because the city has a city-run hospital system, and they are the, they bear the burden of higher health care costs, so they're trying to force and change behavior on the people of New York City for that very reason. So it's just the very beginning of rationing. It's the kind of thing you will see a lot in a much bigger scenario.

KALTBAUM: : You know, I'm hoping things change because they just need to change. I'm hoping that some smart people figure out businesses are just not going to hire that next person because of the mandates on how many people are hired.

CAVUTO: Well, I defer to all you guys, the experts and are far smarter than I. All I know is, the things that have been delayed are the things that are going to pay for this. The things that have been front-loaded and are going on as usual are all the goodies.

PAYNE: The things that have been delayed have all been for big businesses. Insurance companies benefit, big businesses benefit, people watching this show, they don't. They're going to be paying those penalties right out of the gate. That right there is just another red flag.

CAVUTO: That by the way is digging a deeper financial pit, but we'll see how it works out. Unlike Adam, hope springs eternal.

So even after all of the fearmongering, Cavuto had to admit that it might not be such a good idea for Republicans to attempt to shut down the government over it. It was also extremely bizarre watching their circular "logic" if you could call it that, there they were simultaneously trying to scare everyone about single-payer while admitting the reasons people might end up demanding it.

There was some small push back from one of the panel members, Adam Lashinsky on the talking points, but as is always the case on these sort of shows, they were brushed aside and of course he didn't call any of the others out for their lies about the cost of administering private insurance compared to government programs or the lies about the profit motive in private insurance driving costs down instead of up.

Can anyone imagine the shrieking if we do actually finally get single-payer that's going to go on at Fox when they're acting this way about a Republican health care plan finally being enacted? I look forward to watching all of their heads literally explode on the air if we're ever fortunate enough to have that be the case.

It's ironic, given the age of the average Faux "news" viewer out there, that most of the people they're attempting to scare here are already on Medicare. I'm also guessing that irony is lost on most if not all of those same viewers.

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