Mark: "It turns out there's a downside to disguising your theological/political hokum as science: people start to evaluate it by scientific criteria. As a result, the "Intelligent Design" scam lacks staying power. The Templeton Foundation, for example, is backing away, because ID folks weren't willing or able to do any actual science."

John: "Nor will they, no matter how often their proponents pretend publicly that this is really a competing scientific theory and not just warmed over creationism."