all the different posts here on C&L about how much it did NOT yield that information. If there is still any doubt left, have a look at the voluminous evidence Marcy Wheeler has compiled on the topic, starting with this post.

Nevertheless, Candidate Lippold wastes no time condemning and bear-hugging torture in the same breath.

HOST: Well, the president was met with reality at Guantanamo Bay. It's clearly still open, it looks like it's going to be open for it looks like at least the next couple of years. Give us a sense of how stopping the enhanced interrogation techniques have hurt, have jeopardized our country in the past couple of years.

LIPPOLD: Well, first and foremost, I do not support torture, but I think the president needs to give himself and others the flexibility that should there be a time and a place where enhanced interrogation may be necessary to be used in the war on terror, he needs to be able to provide that authorization. To not do that does endanger us because while in fact enhanced interrogation techniques may have worked to get us those threads they should only be used in the most extreme of circumstances.

But to unilaterally say we will never use them is not a responsible action.

HOST: President Barack Obama has said he is against these enhanced interrogation techniques and yet CIA director Leon Panetta did not deny that waterboarding or these techniques may have been used to help bring Usama Bin Laden to justice. Do you think it's an important part of what leads to a domino effect, leading from one piece of information to another?

LIPPOLD: It could have very well. I'm not sure of the exact specifics. I frankly believe that the only reason the administration right now is even telling us they used enhanced interrogation techniques is a political calculation going into the 2012 elections because they want to say "Look, even though we got vital information as a result of those enhanced interrogation techniques we don't use them any more. And look at what the great intelligence is that we have. "

I think it's a political calculation that we're being told about this and has nothing to do with the reality of fighting the war. And we need to preserve every option available to us in order to keep this nation safe.

What bothers me about this segment (even though it's likely that only about 3 people saw it), is how glibly a candidate for the United States Congress just lies about the facts in order to make a case for something that is evil. It's not just immoral. It's evil. That is all. Evil.