Restoring Habeas Corpus
By Nicole Belle Monday Jun 25, 2007 12:29pm 
Christy at FireDogLake has suggestions for Bending Congressional Ears to restore this most basic civil right.
Bob Geiger counts 22 Democrats supporting restoration and asks Where's The Rest?
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so should these dickwads be restoreing this or giveing our country away?
Let me guess. Some are getting spooked by the Republican's made up "Soft on Terrorism" boogie man, right?
The "Rest" should be targeted for replacement.
I don't think a "soft on terrorism" approach would work anyways (although you may be right that this is the motivation), because Arlen Specter (Republican) introduced S. 185, a habeas restoration bill, which was approved by the Senate two weeks ago. Visit my homepage if you're interested in more civil liberties campaigns, recent posts include this new bill H.R. 2826, Morse v. Fredericks, and Federal Elections Commission v. Wisconsin Right to Life, Inc.
I guess with this new and enhanced system, you have to click on my name "Yassin" (hyperlink) to get to my blog.
Not only where are the rest of the Dems, but where are any of the repukes? Mygawd, it's like they literally sold their soul to DubyaCo. 'Cause they sure as hell sold their patriotism.
What is wrong with Congress????
Can you tell I'm slightly annoyed with this entire charade?
The good news is that my two Senators are on board with this bill! The bad news is, I don't think my Congresscritter (Costello, D-IL 12) is a cosponsor at this point.
It does mean I only have to make one call...
Andy
How dare you goddamned commie-pinko-hippie-dippy-anti-American scoundrels actually put up a picture of the Constitution? Don't you know that "everything changed" on September 11th 2001? This is a whole new ball game, it's fourth and seven and you freedom-hating-baby-roasting-want-the-law-to-mean-something traitors are gonna get yours, hoo boy are you ever.
Just wait until Uncle Rovey sees this, he's gonna have your houses burned down (check out Raw Story for a truly chilling news story), pack you off for "extraordinary rendition" in Azerbaijan and make you recant until you claim Jesus is King (right after Lord Cheney), Hillary Clinton is really succubus sent by the Dark Lord (MIchael Moore) and that killing puppies with bang sticks is an honorable thing to do.
Oooooo, you, you, you .... guys! (Frank Burns' greatest line).
Geiger has a list of Senators who have not yet co-sponsored. Go there and see if your senator is on the list. If so, get on the phone.
collecting money from the lobbyists like their close friends the Repulblicans. There is only one party in this country.
With the latest revelations regarding Cheney and his Constitutional "theories" I would hope that everyone now realizes that the totality of evidence suggests a silent coup d'etat has taken place. All the Little Dems picking fly specks out of pepper is not going to do anything to change that.
We are ruled by an elite who decide for us what rights we will and will not have. The Clintons vacation with the Bushes, what more is there to be said.
A form of Neo-Feudalism is returning with "royal" families owning "public" infrastructure, merchant princes and serfs doing all the labor.
When you younger ones get a break from plowing the digital potato fields, I would want you to think of me and have a laugh at our expense.
Today is a Day of Action sponsored by the ACLU in support of habeas corpus. You can visit their website and sign a petition to support constitutional rights.
https://secure.aclu.org/site/SPageServer?pagename=habeas_petition
Here is their general habeas website
http://www.findhabeas.com/
Bob Geiger counts 22 Democrats supporting restoration and asks Where’s The Rest?
How many times did I post after November that the Dems will change NOTHING regarding our laws?
Well I told you so, didn't I?
Habeas corpus. How quaint.
The arrogance of these criminals never ceases to amaze me. I'm glad some people are calling for a restoration in D.C.
But, the main fact is this - there is absolutely nothing that allows the government to restrict habeas corpus like they have.
Foreigners or citizens, in America or on Foreign soil...they can't do it. period.
Some follow up reading:
"To Whom Does the Bill of Rights Apply?"
http://www.populistamerica.com/to_whom_does_the_bill_of_rights_apply
When they restored Habeus Corpus did they use CPR or Kenneth Strickfaden's equipment?
Ah, I wasn't using it anyway...
Many provisions of the USA PATRIOT Act, and pretty much the entire text of the Military Commissions Act do not hold water legally. They are de facto attempts to amend the constitution without even giving a nod to the process provide to make such amendments. The problem is, the partisan Republican US Supreme Court allows these travesties to stand by the simple expedient of never allowing a test case to be tried in their chambers. They are as bad as Abu Gonzales, traitors to their country and their high offices. Summary execution is too good for them.
Supreme Court Jesters
BTW, it is my understanding that even if a law is later declared to be unconstitutional, until it is ruled so by the Supremes it is still in force as the law of the land. Any lawyers or law students out there who could clarify this issue for me?
16 Michael Boldin
Yes, I quite agree with you...the problem is they do it anyway, respect for the law does not stop them. That is why I believe our representative government is dead, murdered by coup. We live in a form of tyranny now, but most Americans do not have the courage to face that fact.
Habeus Corpse-us.
In response to a lack of comments on this topic...I'll make one.
There's no point in even arguing this. The Congress does NOT belong to the people. Habeus corpus is GONE. DONE. We gave it away after 9/11.
NO CONGRESS is giving it back. They're not. Period. Not until FUNDAMENTAL changes in our electoral system are made...such as limitations on campaign contributions, term limits, etc.
Until then...the elites call the shots. They pulled the wool over the eyes of the public, and the public allowed it. The majority of this country don't even know what the writ of habeus corpus is.
Done. Finished. We got that right at the end of a gun. We got that right by fighting a revolution. We GAVE it away without firing a shot.
You want it back. It's gonna cost...and the majority of Americans are NOT willing to lift a finger to even protest...ANYTHING...you think they're gonna FIGHT?!?!
22 Liberal AND Proud
Yup, and the crooks in both parties just laugh because if 40% of the population are too dumb to understand that Iraq had nothing to with 9/11 how will anyone EVER mobilize a majority to comprehend an esoteric issue like habeus corpus.
HumboldtBlue @ 8:
Just like blowing up frogs with firecrackers, as kid Bush did.
Yes, Congress, put it back the way it was. It was perfectly fine, has been so for about 700 years. What is the matter with you?
Chuck @ 23:
Sadly, true!
If people in this country actually gave a SHIT about this country (and not just what video game or cell phone or SUV to buy) and what Bushco has perpetrated over the last 6 years, more than 50% would get off their fat lazy asses to VOTE!
Put a million people around the Capitol Reflecting Pool. A MILLION!
Then watch what happens.
Ohhh...but we can't...we have to stand in the "free speech zones". What the #$^& is a FREE SPEECH ZONE?!?!
The STREETS are our free speech zone. WE OWN THEM. The AIRWAVES are our free speech zone. WE OWN THEM.
Liberals (i.e., people who believe in the constitution) have been fighting this ignorance for decades. It's like a fight against bacteria and viruses. We keep trying to inoculate the people against fascistic tendencies and they keep coming back.
And if a MILLION doesn't do it. Then TWO MILLION...TEN MILLION.
ALL around the country. Shut down the interstate. Stop shopping. Turn off the tvs. Boycott! Boycott! BOYCOTT!!
Flood the email systems of EVERY CONGRESSMAN...local, state AND federal.
Why did we get REAL change in the '60s? Because we SHUT DOWN THE COUNTRY. There were protests EVERY DAY. Cities burned. Riots. Anyone remember the infamous Chicago convention? Kent State? NY construction workers beating up teenagers?
Reinstitute the DRAFT. Call for it! The war will be over in a DAY!!! George Bush will be leaving the White House the same way we left Viet Nam...by helicopter, running for his life.
Note the RACIST NAZIS COMMITTE (RNC) the GOOFY OPPOSITION PARTY (GOP) and the FASCIST, NEOCON Right Wing Religious NUTS are now jumping ship and in the process distracting from the Writ of Habeus Corpus, only 22 Congress man and or women signed on because there is a in house secret agreement that once re-elected it is to be a HOT BUTTON issue that never gets resolved, proof is the LACK of ACTION by the HOUSE and the SENATE.
If you think Bloomberg is a good choice I would remind you this guy is one of them and he will serve only his OWN purposes and those close to him, Habeus Corbus is not something CONGRESS wants to re-instate as it is better to make those that oppose Congress enemies of the STATE as has been proven over and over.
The Congressional KKK does not want the Habeus Corpus back as their agenda has been quietely advanced since KATRINA, notice the RACIST NAZIS's that do the name calling and how QUITE it is from the same side of the aisle even the DEMOCRATS are very quite on this which means they want to quietely advance the agenda of the RIGHT with out it seeming they were part of it.
Further proof is their FAILURE to IMPEACH IMPRISON and EXECUTE the TRAITOR cheney. So DO NOT look for anything to be done about the Habeus Corpus other then to be CONDEMNED to limbo forever.
disgusted,
well said my friend, well said.
Make a list of Hitler's Nazism. Restoring habeas corpus was one of his effective tools used in undermining the german populace whereby he gained total control over the region. Next, loss of freedom of speech (the press is doomed), imprisonment, etc.
I would like to address the last event where Hitler remained in the bunker and chewed the capsule. Feel better?
Cheney's end destruction will be similar as he frequently visits the bunker (reports).
Habeus Corpus, Founding Fathers is so pre-911.
Chuck@23
You are right in saying that Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11 etc.
According to the old testament prophecies, Babylon will be made desolate for their inequities. I saw a recent picture published by some marines, the streets are desolate as mentioned by the major prophets.
G-d was absolutely mad at Nebuchenezar for imprisoning his chosen Jewish people. G-d avenges the deeds in his own time. Hussein wanted to recreate the legacy of the ancient king. Every time he rose to power, our marines destroyed his infrastructure. Today, Cheney has been used to create destruction on the earth.
Evil slays the wicked...
30 Liberal AND Proud
I like the idea of a transpartisan 10 million person march for Democracy, how....European...of you...
Far far more effective than Bending Congressional Ears or other well-meaning lobbying efforts.
Only problem is I can be almost certain of a false flag terror attack to break it up.
GOD! Can the Dems be anymore spineless? Pathetic!
Chuck @ 36:
First off, thanks for the compliment. More and more each day I feel like a European trapped inside an American.
As for the "false flag" attack. This is where we have brought ourselves. Remember the terror color code system. We have been PROGRAMMED. This is CLASSIC black ops stuff. The whole color coding, fear fear fear. has CIA written ALLL over it. The country has been conditioned...and it didn't even take 10 years. Oh...and who was once the head of the CIA...hmmmmm?!?!
We got played. Period. That is why i say AGAIN...there is no presidential election in '08. There simply isn't. The country will roll over, easily...accept dictatorship...and it will ALL be over. We'll have feel good, purple finger elections that mean NOTHING.
redratio1 @ 37:
They are doing the work of their masters, and I don't mean the GOP.
I find this post quite misleading when it says that only 22 democrats have been counted "supporting" this measure. 22 of them so far have signed up to co-sponsor it. Whether or not somebody is sponsoring legislation has nothing to do with their ability to support it or vote in favor of it. I'm sure a vast majority of democrats and a few republicans like specter (who voted for it in committee) are going to be on board. To prematurely criticize them and say they don't support the constitution simply for not wanting to cram 50-some names onto the bill's tagline seems rather silly.
There is no need to restore it. The constitution was not ammended, so it is still there. We just need to remove the pirate regime that is running the Justice Dept.
I'm going to borrow from Ben Franklin on this one.... paraphrasing a bit...
Nice idea madam..if you can get it back... and keep it..... JD
Bob Geiger counts 22 Democrats supporting restoration and asks Where’s The Rest?
This is very misleading and while Bob Geiger might be trying to light a fire he should at least be honest. The truth, when you read his article, is 22 Dems have signed up to CO-SPONSOR this bill and he wants more. The article states way down at the bottom of the article that just because the rest of the Dems have not signed on to co-sponsor doesn't mean they don't support the bill. And actually the Senate Judiciary Vote to bring restore Habeus Corpus through Congress was something like 11-8 with total Democratic support.
There is a lot of Dem bashing going on right now, some deserved, some, as in this case totally unfair.
If this is not corrected, this is means for a new American civil war. I am loathe to invoke such dramatic prose but by this being the current law of the land, that many of you and myself as lifelong or newly American citizens and individual contributors in our "democracy" can be detained indefinitely with no legal recourse. That, as a citizen and a patriotic apostle of American ideals and constitutionality calls for nothing but all out unrest and rejection. This is no paltry civil unrest, no claiming that the income tax is illegal or unlawful. This is the gutting of our Democracy, even at the lavish and lobby money laundered 2 party level, it shrouds our country in shame and doom. I might have hoped that all representatives at any level would find this a basic affront to our nation and our constitution, and even less a blemish on the symbolic nature of our nation world wide, but it now looms over our heads again in our most progressive age? So, are we doomed to repeat the past so near to the same mistakes of our pasts? I really hope not.
"I find this post quite misleading when it says that only 22 democrats have been counted “supporting” this measure. 22 of them so far have signed up to co-sponsor it. Whether or not somebody is sponsoring legislation has nothing to do with their ability to support it or vote in favor of it."
You are right of course. But after all the government has been through with Bush, gosh darn-it, the opportunity to take a stand for habeas corpus should be about as controversial as taking a stand against raping babies. You'd think congressmen would be elbowing each other to be first in line.
I _am_ disappointed in my Senator, Amy Klobuchar, for not being pro-active on this foundational issue.
Yeah, but I look at it as kind of a first-come, first-serve thing. You reach a critical mass of sponsorship where adding your name to a bill makes you more like a groupie and a glory-seeker than a principled legislator taking a stand.
Just got back from the rally; if you're interested, try to find YouTube video of Kucinich and Dodd; they gave pretty good pep talks. Kucinich really blew me away, and he really impressed the crowd, but, there was a pretty sizeable Ohio contingent. Also, a guy from the Hip-Hop Caucus was the last speaker and he floored me. Write your representatives!
Greetings and condolences;It would appear that the U.S.A. is dead.Those who appreciate the magnitude of the damage done already to the ethos of the Republic should read the 'Magna Carta' in its entirety. This document is the foundation of civil society in the countries around the world that purport to live by the rule of law.This agreement between King John and the Barons laid out for the first time the protections of the common person and property.However the modern world can be traced in this medieval document.Read and understand Articles 10 and 11 in particular. You will find that the Jews of that time were as ruthless in their dealings with non-jews as they are now and the legendary jewish money lender was not invented by Shakespeare in'The Merchant of Venice' but was well known 400 years earlier.Moorish Spain was where Jews were encouraged to develop banking and credit systems as Muslims were forbidden to charge interest or fees on loans. These systems allowed for international trade and led unfortunately to lands being seized over paltry debt from the widows and/or children of debtors.This was until then unknown, especially as most of Europe was illiterate.In those days debt collectors had swords and battleaxes!However the Jews were not hated for being Jews but for their actions. Today such criticism and legal controls would be called Anti-Semitism. Therefore the 'Magna Carta' is an anti-semitic document! No wonder it was discarded with the quaint idea of Habeus Corpus.Nothing really changes does it?Except the money lenders are threatening the world with the use of nuclear weapons and have Americans to protect them from retaliation against their rapacious land hunger. Here we go again, back to the dark ages.DF.
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