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And their craven marketing of the Tillman's families personal misfortune would expose them for the beasts that they are.

Impeach. Convict. Imprison.

Make an example of these bastards.

This could be IT, folks.

Call the Generals in fer testimony. One of them who knows this affair inside and out is bound to give up the administration- the administration that shits on the military at every turn!

Does the FOIA cover this? Assuming they haven't classified the Tillman affair?

This is stunning news.

If Congress learns what those documents include the terrorists have won.

“implicate Executive Branch confidentiality interests.”

In other words, from the highest levels they gleefully and shamelessly used Tilman's death to fabricate a propaganda blitz. Just ask Jessica Lynch: That's what it implies, right?

Gee what a surprise! What harm could it do to give the family some peace. They could have given the family the details without us even knowing about it. I'm sure the Democrats would have respected that. The pain will never go away for the family but I really think these neocon assholes enjoy the extra pain they inflict on this family. Neocons wage war with other families sons and daughters. It's like a chess game to them. A chess game. Think about it. They lie about going to war and do not care at all what it means. George Bush worries about his legacy? What a dick. The brave soldiers who have died have no legacy. They are dead. No legacy George, they are dead. Dead. Dead.

Our beloved executive criminals.

Everyday I can't help but draw comparisons between this administration locked up with their White House and the portrayal of Hitler in Downfall locked up in his bunker. Especially the part where he refused to let the people out of Berlin while it was being sieged because they didn't matter one little bit. It's just so very sad.

Ron @ 9:

Andy K @ 8:

This could be IT, folks.

Call the Generals in fer testimony. One of them who knows this affair inside and out is bound to give up the administration- the administration that shits on the military at every turn!

What generals? I thought Bush fired them all.

Even better. They'll be in the mood to talk.

What the.....!?

Executive privilege over an issue like this!? It is just disgrace......makes me sick. A soldier's family must know how their son/daughter died fighting for their country. A basic right……damn it.

Pat did die for a good cause. Friendly fire deaths are a part of war. All this post-death game playing and deception doesnt change that.

"implicate"? you dont say.

fedupwithhypocrisy @ 15:

Tillman's mother will go justifiably beserk. If there is going to be a straw, this is it, for God's sake. What more will it take?!

Could not have said it better.

And the bu$h Cartel can take it's executive priviledge and shove it up their collective asses!!!!!

does this finally stab in the heart the idea that Republicans are better to the military? I mean I know that not giving them the supplies they need or a plan for what to do after they arrived in Baghdad is showing the utmost support for our soldiers, but will this finally lay to rest the bullshit idea that the conservatives spew like a broken record?

I mean the Republicans have shown they have no respect for American, the American Military or the American System of Justice...so what exactly makes them better for America? Go ahead you sorry ass lurkers, explane to me, becuase I don't get it, you all just look like America Haters to me, but what do I know huh, I'm just a liberal how doesn't believe our troops should be sent into battle without body armor and proper equipment and I don't believe our soldiers should have to be put along side mercinaries who are getting paid 4 and 5 times as much to do the same jobs. I don't believe in no-bid contracts and I certainly don't believe Dubya is anything more then they greatest enemy America has ever faced.

I don't imagine Mrs. Tillman will be as easy to swiftboat as Cindy Sheehan was.

But they'll try. Hell, if they can go after 9/11 widows, there's no limit.

Pat @ 23:

JimmyK As a wheel chair bound individual I resent your last remark. You are one callous SOB.

Well, whereas I feel bad for your plight, it does not likely affect your mind. I know you are aware of what I was saying and it had nothing to do with the physical but the mental and the willingness to stand for the truth and our children.

If you feel you cannot do that, don't blame it on the condition you have forced upon you, but rather that which you allow.

Shared Humanity @ 3:

Because it would expose this administration for what it truly is " a fantabulous marketing adventure".

Their deepest fear is that the American public is no longer buying what they are selling.

I think we are way beyond that. What torments me is how Bush and Cheney deserve IMPEACHMENT since 2 years ago at least and this guy keeps getting away with breaking the law, defying his oath of office and dragging this nation into disgrace.

How is he getting away with it? No other presidents got away with so much, why this guy?

Why not get some football players who knew Pat Tillman come out of the closet and do educational ads, via YouTube, about impeachment as absolutely necessary at this stage. No more game playing. Get professional football players out politically active about ending this insane war and this insane murderous traitorous regime of anti-American thugs.

Ya know, at every turn, I joke about the bunglings and even the imperial actions of this presidential administration. I make fun of them, I laugh at them, and I say stupid stuff about them. All of it is in good fun. Truthful, but still in good fun.

But I cannot, CANNOT, sit here and humor this horrendous, despicable bullshit "executive privilege" excuse pertaining to the death of an AMERICAN SOLDIER. A man who gave his life to protect us, and who was killed by friendly fire, and now, we, the Americans he fought to protect, can't know how much the people who work for US knew about this whole thing. This President will, truly, go down in history as the WORST president in the long, rich history of this great country. And he deserves every damn thing he gets. As the son of a Marine, I salute Pat Tillman, and his bravery and courage to go forth and protect this nation. And as for this President, I have a salute for him, too, but it might get me landed in Gitmo.

After this, I can pretty much guaran-damn-tee that there will be a special place in hell reserved just for those in the Bush Administration, and George W. Bush and Richard Cheney will get the best seats in the house.

The Champ is out.

What are WE going to with Emperor George 43? This will turn out to be the most corrupt and imperous administrations in US history.

IMPEACH

These are the same bastards that electrocuted my uncle in the VA because he had shell-shock after WW II.

BASTARDS. ENOUGH.

miss_kitty @ 35:

bubba @ 28:

Pat did die for a good cause. Friendly fire deaths are a part of war. All this post-death game playing and deception doesnt change that.

That is the most fucked up comment I've seen in a while.

I had to read her post twice to be sure I was reading correctly and bubba I second what you said.

carol @ 52:

miss_kitty @ 35:

bubba @ 28:

Pat did die for a good cause. Friendly fire deaths are a part of war. All this post-death game playing and deception doesnt change that.

That is the most fucked up comment I've seen in a while.

I had to read her post twice to be sure I was reading correctly and bubba I second what you said.

The second most fucked up comment.

No mother; indeed no parent should endure this, furthermore; no parent should sit idly by. Corporal Pat Tillman deserves that mothers and fathers of America rally in support of his mother's quest for truth. Corporal Tillman's mother, and his family, deserve the admiration and vocal support of every parent out there.
But for the grace of God, that could be your child. Close your eyes to this and you forfeit any claims to the life and death of your children.

So basically this is an admission of guilt that the President was personally involved in the cover up of Pat Tillman's death and the surrounding propaganda campaign.

Sounds like have another Cindy Sheehan in the brewing.

Hey Bubba at 28, why don't you enlist and put your pathetic life on the line if you think it's for such a good cause you ignorant, delusional, foolish bastard you!

I think I'm starting to come down with a lethal case of Bush fatigue! :( Will this nightmare ever end?

These are quotes from republicans when Clinton committed troops to Bosnia. Where is all of their concern today with 3400+ US soldiers dead, over 20,000 wounded, billions of dollars wasted, the death of 50,000-650,000 innocent Iraqi citizens , no victory or exit strategy, more chaos and no end in sight??

"You can support the troops but not the president."
-Rep-Tom Delay (R-TX)

"Well I just think it's a bad idea. Whats going to happen is they're going to be over there for 10, 15 maybe 20 years."
-Joe Scarborough (R-FL)

"Explain to the mothers and fathers of American servicemen that may come home in body bags, why their son or daughter have to give up their life?"
-Sean Hannity (Fox News, 4/6/99)

"Victory means exit strategy and it is important for the President to explain to us what that exit strategy is."
-Governor George W. Bush (R-TX)

"I had my doubts about the bombing campaign from the begining...I don't think we had done enough in the diplomatic area."
-Trent Lott (R-MS)

"If we are going to committ American troops, we must be certain they have a clear mission, an achievable goal and an exit strategy."
-Karen Hughes, speaking on behalf of Governor George W. Bush (R-TX)

Aide: Mr. President, the United States is under attack.

Bush: uh.....uh......

Bush needs to be kicked out of office. Impeach the whole rotten lot of them. They're daring us to do it.

So Al Qaeda is known to be training and operating in Pakistan now. Hmm didn't Bush once threaten military action against any country that is known to harbor terrorists?

I guess that only counts for countries who do not have nuclear weapons. No wonder why Iran wants nuclear weapons.

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Sitemonitor: I urge you to check comments 60 and 61. They are every bit as bad or worse than my last comment. The one that was deleted.Talk about flame bait.
[Actually your comment was pretty vicious. And your claims were off base and inaccurate. Then you said you directed it at bubba, whose same comment you said you agreed with earlier-Sitemonitor]

"But the true threats to stability and peace are these nations that are not very transparent, that hide behind the - that don't let people in to take a look and see what they're up to. They're very kind of authoritarian regimes."

George W. Bush, in a media roundtable discussion, March 13, 2001

Tillman sure could defend against the deep pass but, not frag from his own teammates. Did anyone see his flag draped coffin at DAFB? Or, was this also blacked out?

Would the chickenshit Republicans start joining the military. Instead of attending your Ivy League colleges, pass up that opportunity and serve your country. Pat Tillman gave up millions of dollars because he thought serving his country was the noble thing to do. I am tired of these shitheads calling everybody a coward that wants to leave Irag. Be the tough guy you claim you are and enlist.

StCyrlyMe @ 65:

While we are at it, we also need to remove this disgusting media that is contributing to many of the problems for American people.

We should never let up off the FCC, to force them to provide a progressive view on our radio stations all over this country. They should not be allowed to get away with this sick game they play about this so called liberal media that none of us have heard sense but stole office, both times

These people are obligated to provide a progressive voice to counter this right wing bull shit they force on us as they clog up all this free radio air waves with the daily trash they are feeding American people .

Were you old enough to remember when the fairness doctrine was supposedly in effect? It was ineffective, hence why it went in the dust bin.

The radio marketplace pretty fairly determines what gets or stays on the airwaves. In NY we don't have an FM country music station because very few listened to it.

Air America's ratings are dwarfed by conservative radio. Alan Colmes syndicated radio show is pretty much dwarfed by competition.

You can't force people in the marketplace of ideas to listen to your message. You have to be able, like a Michael Moore, to coat your message in honey so that you are not only preaching to the choir, but also influencing the fence sitters as well as the opposition.

If progressive hosts figured out a formula that was similar and enticing to the public, the ratings would jump. If you mandate that they be on stations as counterpoints to Rush, Hannity, etc., you will just hear a lot of clicks of the dial if it is not entertaining.

miss_kitty @ 81:

uh santa-I said the comment of Bubba's was fucked up. We shouldn't have been there in the first place. So the fact that anyone has died fighting for CheneyBushCo has not died 'for a good cause.' And saying so made it a fucked up comment. JMHO

As for executive privilege, it simply does not apply in this case.

Sorry, I was confused by the thread. While I disagree with your viewpoint on Afghanistan as far as being their in the first place, I do agree with you with regards to the cover-up & executive privilege.

This isn't the first or only instance when this administration has been involved in a cover-up:

A video showing how a British soldier was killed by American warplanes in Iraq was finally released by the US last night - four years after the fatal attack, and only after it had been leaked to the media. It will be used as evidence in the inquest on L/Cpl Matty Hull, 25, whose family had been told that the footage did not exist...

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4158/is_20070207/ai_n17201988

The killing of Lance Corporal Matty Hull in an American air strike in Iraq was a "criminal, unlawful act" by pilots who opened fire "with disregard for the rules of engagement", a coroner ruled yesterday.

Oxfordshire Assistant Deputy Coroner Andrew Walker also scathingly criticised the US authorities for their lack of co-operation which had caused so much "pain and suffering" to L/Cpl Hull's family. The failure to hand over important documents has meant that "the full facts have not yet come to light".

L/Cpl Hull, 25, died when his convoy came under attack from two A-10 "Tankbuster" warplanes despite the British vehicles showing orange markings to signify allied forces.

http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/legal/article2366536.ece

Not that any protest made a difference:

A diplomatic row erupted between London and Washington ght over George Bush's bid to cover up the way bungling US soldiers killed British servicemen in Iraq.

The President's envoy in the UK has been summoned to a humiliating dressing down in Whitehall tomorrow because of a White House refusal to make American troops answer in British courts for their mistakes on the battlefield...

...The provocative action of Ms Harman is supported by Oxfordshire Coroner Andrew Walker, who has conducted most of the inquests into British soldiers killed in Iraq. He has privately voiced his anger with the Americans, accusing them of making it hard to do his job properly.

Ms Harman has been in talks with the Americans for nearly six months in an unsuccessful attempt to resolve the dispute. They refused to change their stance even after she guaranteed no risk of criminal prosecution or compensation.

She decided to go public after they rejected demands to send US service personnel to two recent friendly-fire inquests conducted by Mr Walker. Earlier this month he ruled the deaths of two RAF Tornado pilots, Flight Lieutenants Kevin Main and Dave Williams, were 'entirely avoidable'. The fliers were shot down by an American Patriot missile.

And last month he criticised US Marines blamed for the 'unlawful killing' of ITN reporter Terry Lloyd after the invasion of Iraq in 2003.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article...

If the British couldn't get any straight answers out of the Bush administration for all these unlawful deaths, the Tillmans stand no chance.

Disgraceful. And criminal.

The biggest threat to the Bush Administration is an informed public. I wrote that two years ago, and not much has changed when it comes to this corrupt administration trying to cover up their crimes.

Norse @ 87:

miss_kitty @ 54:

carol @ 52:

miss_kitty @ 35:
I had to read her post twice to be sure I was reading correctly and bubba I second what you said.

The second most fucked up comment.

Hmm, I even recall reading an article about this in a norwegian magazine a couple of months back.

If I recall correctly, he got three (three) bullets in the face, while the rest of the patrol he led sustained not a single injury. Apparently, he had lost faith in the US war effort, and was appalled at the behaviour of US forces in Afghanistan. His diary, which he had faithfully written in since he was a kid, was burned, and his family lied to, mere weeks before he was to return to the US, possibly to go public with what happens.

Friendly fire? Well....

Cheney/Rummy ordered the murder of Pat Tillman because Pat's charisma could no longer serve the neocon/fascist lies. Let's stop beating around the bushslut and try cheneybushrummycondicolonrover for TREASON and MASS MURDER. And let's start with their assasination of Pat Tillman, a leader and patriot.

I think people should just start openly talking about this as the ordered assassination of Pat Tillman rather than his death by friendly fire. When I first heard he was strongly against the Iraq war and then they found a certain number of bullets in his forehead, it was pretty clear it was a deliberate hit. There is no other reason I can come up with as to why the White House would claim "executive privilege" for this. Let's start calling it what it was: Political assassination. If they want to deny it, they can prove it!

Contact your Senator and Congress critter and demand the "impeachment" of these criminals.

Executive Privilege = We're lying our asses off over and you can't do crap about it so NAH NAH NAH!

Shared Humanity @ 3:

Because it would expose this administration for what it truly is " a fantabulous marketing adventure".

Their deepest fear is that the American public is no longer buying what they are selling.

though the block of believers and followers is truly shrinking, they still are the loudest. and because they are, it would appear that they are the largest and the strongest. the rest of american must speak in unison and send the one-toothed wonders and snake handlers back to their holes. but to do that, the head must first be severed. impeach now.

Thing Fish @ 47:

Why would there be critical documents between senior administration and top military officers shortly after Tillman was killed? What's there to hide?

Abu Ghraib
   Got public attention beginning 2004. Trials ended by September 2005
Pat Tillman
   KIA - April 22, 2004

A Hero makes a good distraction...

Bingo

Karl Rove's only concern is maintaining the narrative.

Shelly @ 92:

I think people should just start openly talking about this as the ordered assassination of Pat Tillman rather than his death by friendly fire. When I first heard he was strongly against the Iraq war and then they found a certain number of bullets in his forehead, it was pretty clear it was a deliberate hit. There is no other reason I can come up with as to why the White House would claim "executive privilege" for this. Let's start calling it what it was: Political assassination. If they want to deny it, they can prove it!

After his death . . . I was watching the NFL Arizona Cardinals on TV . . . . they had a huge "jumbotron" kitsch filled tribute video at halftime mythanizing the American Hero "Pat Tillman" . . . President Bush segment starts and the entire stadium starts booing . . . they prematurely cut away to General Myers in the sportcasters booth who talks about progress in Iraq . . . segment ends and they transition to commercial playing Green Day's "American Idiot".

My jaw dropped to the floor. Major cognitive disonnance bomb or just capitalistic nihilism run amok?

This is a true story dear readers.

They're hiding the fact that they probably used Tillman as target practice.

Enough is enough already.

IMPEACH NOW!!!!!

Someone or ones in the white house either ordered or at least signed off on the friendly fire tradgedy reversal for recruiting purposes, and put a gag order on the fact that Tillman was against the war in Iraq and a non-godbot.

It seems there WAS an atheist in the foxhole after all. RIP Pat, you were a true American.

This makes me insane. My heart and soul ache for his family. His brother, Kevin, especially. God, it must take a mountain of restraint on his part to maintain a level head.

Pat Tillman's family knows, as do informed Americans, that Pat was A MAN IN FULL.........stunning on the outside, and rightous to the core. On the other hand, there's bu$h's track record. There is nothing else to say.

I hold the Tillman family, and their incredible son, in my heart and they inspire me every day to stay cool in spite of the evil underbelly of the slouching beasts that occupy our White House.

If this does not stir the family's of our troops we have no hope in this country.The army brass have been spinning and lying about a young man who volunteered and lost his life.No higher-ups were court marshaled in the torture cases at Abu Ghriab only enlisted men.Bush and the WH knew this story about Cpl. Tilman was BS but they went along.Now they are stonewalling against the family of this dead boy.Outrage.Outrage.Every newspaper should have this story on page one.Wake-up

Yes it is true that republicans have decided to put party above the nation. It makes the United States a dying giant.

You know what i know that people like Rudy Guillani, Fred Thompson, Mike Huckabee, Sen John Mccain, Mitt Romney, Sen Brownback will only continue the same path. Infact no body in the republican party is fit to run this country except Ron Paul. He speaks truth to power.

AMERICA NEEDS TO GET A SPINE,.... IMPEACH THE TRAITORS NOW !!!

Tom (Not Tom) @ 119:

Enough! This administration is practically DARING Congress to impeach Bush and Cheney. If the Dems have no stomach for it, I'm done forever with the party.

Senator Wellstone had a plane accident and Senator Leahy was sent anthrax produced at a US military installation.

hey, #120, wellstone's plane crash was no "accident". they rubbed him out. read james fetzer's book on the subject and you'll see. no doubt about it.

This current White House administration is a disgrace. I encourage every American to write Congress, write the Senate, and write the news media concerning the wrongful way this nation is being managed. The lies, the deceit, the autocracy are unbelievable. Here is my letter to Pelosi, you bloggers may do better, but at least I quickly got one sent. Please do the same.

Dear Speaker Pelosi,
I encourage Congress to file simultaneous impeachment proceedings against Mr. George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, and Alberto Gonzales immediately. At the same time indict Harriet Meiers for her failure to appear at hearings. She is not above the legal mandates issued by congress.

It is clear that the President, et al, are not behaving rationally concerning the wars in the middle east, Iraq and Afghanistan. There is more than enough evidence to bring a case for impeachment against each of them. By bringing simultaneous impeachment charges it will call attention to the extent of the corruption and the illegal practices of this White House administration.

The majority of Americans comprehend what Congress seems to fail to understand. That this sitting president behaves like a spoiled child.

Why do you, a Mother, and leader, choose to indulge this dangerous child, who wears the mantle of president of the United States. This same spoiled child that alone has the power to press a nuclear button that can create holocaust throughout the world. I do not understand your failure to immediately press for removal of such a person as Mr. Bush. Please start impeachment proceedings. You were elected to do what was necessary to change the direction of this nation. There is no other recourse at this point.

Avoiding the impeachment process implies that the democrats in congress are as interested as the republicans in keeping the war money flowing into their districts. No matter how many die for the political contributions and profits garnered by the war. Simple logic indicates that the reason democrats have not moved for impeachment is because they, too, have sold their integrity to the lobbiests and war profiteering corporations in order to benefit personal campaign interests.

There is no sane reason to allow this president and his entourage to continue the destruction of America, as well as the ruin other nations it deems unfit to govern their own affairs.

We need to get out of Iraq and Afghanistan. We need to discontinue threats against Iran. And, we need to mind our own business. (caveat: provide food, medicines, and education to those in need).

ORCON rules prohibit classification or suppression of embarassing information.

WHo classified this information?

Once the decision -- to mislead -- was made, the post-decision deliberations are not protected by privileged.

Its Karl's TV program . . . that's all its ever been . . . Karl controls the tube and the good shepherds loot the bank while the sheep salute the flag (which is made in China).

[...] Tillman story is still being hidden by the White House.  Isn’t this just [...]

Anybody happen to get when Fielding cited executive privilege? Was it Friday? Just wanted to know if the Repugs were "staying on course" with their tactics...you know, releasing bad news on a Friday, hoping that no one would notice.