Democratic Member Of House Homeland Security Committee Denied Access To Portions Of Presidential Directive
By Logan Murphy Sunday Jul 22, 2007 8:29am
Constituents called Rep. Peter DeFazio's office, worried there was a conspiracy buried in the classified portion of a White House plan for operating the government after a terrorist attack.
As a member of the House Committee on Homeland Security, DeFazio, D-Ore., is permitted to enter a secure "bubbleroom'' in the Capitol and examine classified material. So he asked the White House to see the secret documents.
On Wednesday, DeFazio got his answer: DENIED.
"I just can't believe they're going to deny a member of Congress the right of reviewing how they plan to conduct the government of the United States after a significant terrorist attack,'' DeFazio said. Read more...
What are they hiding? I posted about this Presidential Directive in May, Bush Wants Full Control Of Government During Catastrophic Attack, which garnered a lot of discussion -- it now appears the White House is attempting to block Congressional review of that directive. Contact your representatives in the House and Senate to let them know your thoughts on this. As I've mentioned before, please remind them (politely) that Congress is a coequal branch of our government and that President Bush is a public servant and therefore accountable to the people HE SERVES.
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The answer is pretty simple: They don't have a plan!!!!!!!!!!
I don't mean to sound like a conspiracy theorist, but what are the chances of another terrorist attack before 2008? And what are the chances that the directive gives Martial Power to the President?
Impeach.
Impeach.
Impeach
Hideous Dream
Impeach
It'll be interesting to see how they justify this. One would assume that members of the Homeland Security Committee would have access to materials related to, well...Homeland Security.
Of course the real reason is that Defazio is with the Enemy (democrats). I'm wondering if things are so far gone that they'll just come right out and say that.
I'm certain that he's held to strict account by the people he serves. However, we are not they.
I second the motion to impeach.
I suppose this is just a rhetorical question but, why shouldn't members of Congress be alarmed enough about this to take action without having to be prodded to do so?
Impeach
When are people going to wake the fuck up and storm the White House? When is everyone going to get in the streets and burn some shit down....this is UN fucking believable. If we let this stand, we deserve what we get.
1970cs @ 10:
We are disposable fodder.
Jason @ 12:
Never obviously.
Please stop using the pre-packaged ad hominem "conspiracy theorist". You may have missed the death bed confession of E Howard Hunt (LBJ killed JFK) and you probably missed the Memphis jury finding that MLK was killed by a US Gov conspiracy (printed on page 20 once a week after 9/11).
Sorry, you live in a Democracy, I'm a nutjob, go back to sleep, microwave a burritto and watch the latest developments on Paula Abdul's psychosis.
http://www.truthcult.com/paul_roberts
Actually when the economy tanks and crashes thats when the shit will hit the fan.
Not until then.
Murica' The Beautiful
Oakland holds its nose as garbage piles up
Cans sit at the curb after trash giant Waste Management locks out union workers. A health crisis looms, city officials say. By John M. Glionna, Times Staff Writer
July 21, 2007
OAKLAND — Twenty days without garbage pickup has taught Walter Smith an odiferous lesson about modern culture: Today's throwaway society produces a heck of a lot of trash.
http://www.latimes.com/features/health/medicine/la-me-garbage21jul21,1,7...
oh! geezus h. hopping mel gibson! i wish the dems would stop screwing around and just impeach our dear leader and defib dick.
Impeach.
I would like to know if any of the other 15 Democrats on the committee were allowed access to the secret documents.
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Chimpeach!
L.A. Confidential @ 16:
Google News Search to bookmark so you can follow the collapse.
“I just can’t believe they’re going to deny a member of Congress the right of reviewing how they plan to conduct the government of the United States after a significant terrorist attack,” DeFazio said.
I'm guessing Mr. DeFazio is not part of the plan.
Dr. Acula @ 22:
LMAO!
And, gee, wonder if this news will find it's way to the corporate/repiglican controlled media so as to educate the Amercian people to the progressive fascism of the Evil that is in power. Wanna take bets ? Of course not the corporate sluts like 'miss' brian williams, charles gibson, katie couric , the entire pundit pimps on all the cable / corporate channels minus Keith Oberman, Faux 'propaganda, should all be charged, tried, and convicted for purposefull, criminal, fraud committed against the Amercian people. All of them are bent over, pants pulled down, screaming 'next, next' to every Elephant that is approaching from behind them. What a national disgrace these corporate sluts are.
Impeach these bastards before the next orchestrated/ignored ("OK, you covered your ass, now get out") attack.
Something wicked this way comes...
Conspiracy theories aside... well, they're not looking much like theories anymore, are they?
Let's just say that if a major "catastrophe" occured before the next election, I would not at all be surprised.
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What is up with this country? GWBush is the least competent citizen in the country. Yet, these Repugs support his claims to power no matter what the consequences are. Now, should America come under attack, these idiots support a dumbbell primate's running the government?
And, what's with this propaganda - Homeland? What ever happened to AMERICA? Why did we need a Department for Homeland Security in the first place? There are more than 22 governmental agencies in existence that efficiently and effectively delivered the same functions promised and NOT DELIVERED by the Department of Homeland Security before the Bush brothers implemented Posse Comitatus from Florida on 11 September 2001.
Wake the hell up, America! We are now the laughing stock of the planet. The world has dismissed the Chimperor as Hitler sans a brain. Why have we not unloaded this little pinhead? The chimp is literally killing us! IMPEACH NOW!
I guess I'm starting to not sound so crazy anymore.
the plan? ... operation ajax coming home to roost, bush is the new shah?
Probably because the plan is for Bush and Republicans to suspend the Constitution and rule as dictators, letting a Democrat see that would spoil their plan.
Like everything else they have been doing for the last 6 and a half years, they are destroying the government, Constitution and turning it into a Tinhorn Banana Republic Dictatorship.
L.A. Confidential @ 16:
I agree. As long as Americans have a decent income and are comfortable, the pressures they put Washington will be bearable. A shitty economy will be what finally brings people out onto the streets with pitchforks and torches to dethrone Chimp.
AJ Fan @ 23:
Believe me I'm watching. I feel sorry for the "clueless". Last thing I would wish on us is another great depression since the option is prosperity but let me tell you things look awful shaky. Very shaky. The robber barons are creating the conditions for the sh*t to hit the fan.
blue @ 26:
I always like it when they tell us "Its complicated". Maybe they could speak slowly so that I could understand.
Meanwhile, 54 million gallons of toxic WW2 era nuclear waste a few hundred yards away leaches to the Columbia River.
Impeach!
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John Doheny @ 8:
The wingnut media calls the Dems, or any critic of Dumbya, the enemy, they don't have to say much when their propaganda machine is still loud and taken as the gospel by the remaining neocon cheerleaders.
L.A. Confidential @ 21:
My wife remembered last night to check the chili (no, not choke the chicken) and it was from Castleberry's in Augusta. I had forgotten. Into the trash with it. Poison food, no port security, open borders from the murder monkey and his part. Reminds me of the old saw about the neutron bomb being the Republican bomb--Destroys people, not property.
And by the way, before its too late, IMPEACH.
The law makers HAD BEST do somthing and fast before we are under marshal law, I can't believe at how much Bush has been allowed to get away with. CONTACT YOUR REP LIKE YOU HAVE NEVER CONTACTED THEM BEFORE! Write, Call, send smoke signals.
Here
http://www.house.gov/writerep/
pelosi get of your useless ass and IMPEACH this S.O.B.
El Gordo @ 2:
BINGO!
Impeachment is the most important business congress has to do !
Nothing good is going to get signed into law anyhow.
"What are they hiding?"
- For starters; the arrest of war protesters and govt. critics. Vindictiveness and revenge are always at the top of these coward's list.
The 1950s in the United States of America were marked with a sharp rise in the economy for the first time in almost 30 years, and a return to the 1920s-type consumer society built on credit and boom-times, as well as the baby boom from returning GIs who went to college under the G.I. Bill and settled in suburban America. Most of the internal conflicts that had developed in earlier decades like women's rights, civil rights, and imperialism were relatively suppressed or neglected during this time as a world returning from the brink hoped to see a more consistent way of life as opposed to the radicalism of the 1930s and 1940s. The effect of suppressing social problems in the 1950s would have a significant impact on the rest of the twentieth century. An American generation traumatized by the Great Depression and World War II created a culture with emphasis on normality and conformity.
Thats about it.
Talk about telegraphing your punches, and aiding and abetting the enemy.
All Osama has to do now is stage one itsy-bitsy terrist attack, say in D.C.
The Dummy will take control of the US, and that will be the end of this 'Great Experiment in Government', 'Democracy', and 'Freedom'.
Score: Osama, 100, The Dummy, 0.
Until the next revolution.
IMPEACH NOW, BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE.
El Gordo @ 2:
Google about H.R. 5122 or the John Warner National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2007, which was rammed through the 109th Rubberstamp Congress, then signed by Bush in a Private signing, with only members of PNAC invited and no press. Read the reviews written by law profs and students.
That law already set up this government for Martial Law.
Don't read about it before bedtime, it will give you nightmares.
Mr Murphy did ask:
What are they hiding?
Obviously, the obvious.
This is an illustration of the obvious: Sometime in summer 2008, there is another "Terrorstrike" in the USA. Whether it is real or not is of no consequence. The point is, it gives the Reichwing Neocons the excuse to put these plans in order, and basically revoke the government.
I'm an expat for a reason. I know a sinking ship when I see one. The Dems are spineless and useless. They will grumble and knuckle under. They always do. So when it all hits the fan, and the Bush Junta declares permanent martial law, they will cave. The Rethuglicans are already on board. You'll see. Bush's directives are the equivalent of Germany's Enabling Act of 1933.
Dear froggy friends: the water's been boiling for a while. America's cooked. Stick a fork in her - she's done. And when you all finally wake up and have another civil war to crush these fascists bastards, I'll consider returning. My advice? Leave. While you can. Many Germans left Germany in the 1930s - so don't feel bad. It's just another country.
We are basically screwed. I'm afraid that all it will take is an incident on U.S. soil -- no matter how insignificant. Two idiots with crappy homemade bombs in their backpacks blowing themselves up somehwere in America will signal the end of our great republic and the beginning of martial law. Oh, Bush and Cheney want that so desperately. Then, no one can tell them what to do... something they have wanted all along.
I'm gonna hurl. I'd like to be proved wrong. I'd like to find out that, in the end, I was way too paranoid. I can handle the shame. Really.
Is it always darkest before the dawn?... well, it's getting pretty fucking dark!!
If a terrorist act can impliment this secret executive order, potentially giving the President dictatorial powers (I say "potentially" because it seems only Dick Cheney knows what it says), don't be surprised if we have a terrorist act before the November elections.
I think Haliburton got the no-bid contract to ensure the terrorist act occured.
Just imagine the entities out there who would gain from a terrorist attack on the US.
And if a terrorist attack comes, the knee-jerk reaction from the neocon zionists wil be 'Al Qaeda, Al Qaeda'!
But we better look closely, there are masters of deception much closer to home, who would realize their dreams of a coup quite quickly, were Bush's string-pullers to become masters of the US.
Start thinking about where you want your RFID chip implanted. Right forearm or left forearm?
suddenly, canada is not looking so bad - and free healthcare to boot. I can say "eh" at the end of every sentence.
expat @ 49:
Agreed. The Denial given to DeFazio is just another step towards dictatorship. When the national security apparatus focuses inward more and more along with an increased secrecy by the regime you can pretty well guess where this leads. Recall how many Germans a few years ago were saying Bush was acting more like Hitler? I bet they are really saying that now.
When they shut down the internets America will go black (by that I mean the MSM will be the only news source)
when the next attack or gulf of tonkin happens, and it could be soon, IT IS TIME TO REBEL.
fuck the dumbshit, take matters into your own hands and stop this utter fucking madness.
uncle wally @ 54:
Don't forget the reeferenos.
Thanks for sharing that story.
"We the People" would never know....
Fox News is front and center with "Chiwawa Saves toddler from rattlesnake".
MSNBC - "The Mad Hatter bank robber strikes again"
CNN - "Enticing Home Buyers" story in between male enhancement commercials.
What are they hiding?
In summary:
The Networks are directly participating in Obstruction of Justice and the Coverup of Crimes, past and present.
Keep talking everyone.
El Gordo @ 2:
Exactly my thoughts. This is BushCO's campaign for the presidency in 2008. Impeach them!!
I don’t mean to sound like a conspiracy theorist, but what are the chances of another terrorist attack before 2008? And what are the chances that the directive gives Martial Power to the President?
90% (at least) and 100% respectively. Actually, what the documents will also reveal is the magnitude of the terrorist attack that would allow Bush to invoke Martial Power. My guess it is either very vague or sets the bar so low that almost anything could be used as an excuse.
the federalist society gang is Mussolinifying our government.
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IMPEACH
Stupid question for someone in Congress or the Judiciary to ask - why would the plan for continuation of the government after any kind of incident be classified in the first place? Should we be waiting for the Constitution to be placed in a secure facility and classified? All books with copies of it removed and any references to it destroyed?
They sell the directive as if it takes a "catastrophic terrorist event", but I think it is a lot more vague than that. More like "any event, natural or man made, that constitutes a threat, or causes any loss of life". It conveniently lets him declare martial law, pretty much whenever it suits him. Just as he can declare you an enemy combatant, or take your property and bank accounts at his whim.
Impeach King George.
Rep. DeFazio is in line to replace Gordon Smith as senator. However, Mr. DeFazio is completely insulated as representative in his district, usually winning a large majority of the voters. Deep Blue due to the main cities he represents. Yet nothing has tempted him to sign on with impeachment. Perhaps this will.
If it doesn't, what in hell is he good for? I don't want to add, "absolutely nothing" so I will hold off on that.
for you in the 4th district, email him, phone, ask him what he is thinking about
El Gordo @ 2:
nyguy @ 1:
Guys yes there is a conspiracy, I know it sounds weird but do not be surprised if there is another attack. There could be martial law and Bush could "Postpone" elections and take control of the government. THIS IS LAW! This is NOT far fetched.
In the Patriot Act Rev 1, I think I remember that an economic collapse also qualified. A terrorist attack could be physical or economic. I imagine that this has been expanded in Rev 2. But we don't know because elements of both were kept secret from Congress even as they voted for it.
So now we're in a position such that if a real terrorist makes even a tiny attack, they will destroy our entire nation.
and...
what happened
to the "_ new comments"
java script thing
I liked that
heh...
Nick @ 61:
I don’t mean to sound like a conspiracy theorist, but what are the chances of another terrorist attack before 2008? And what are the chances that the directive gives Martial Power to the President?
90% (at least) and 100% respectively. Actually, what the documents will also reveal is the magnitude of the terrorist attack that would allow Bush to invoke Martial Power. My guess it is either very vague or sets the bar so low that almost anything could be used as an excuse.
Don't be surprised if something happens soon. I've always felt that this group would never relinquish power. They know the repukes are going to get hammered in upcoming elections regardless of how feckless the Democrats appear. Impeachment is the only solution BEFORE they usurp the Constitution.
As I’ve mentioned before, please remind them (politely) that Congress is a coequal branch of our government and that President Bush is a public servant and therefore accountable to the people HE SERVES.
How can I be polite? My blood BOILS :( just thinking about these ash holes. That seems to be as polite as I can be. Is that polite enough?
"Maybe the people who think there's a conspiracy out there are right,'' DeFazio said.
Damn straight!
IMPEACH, don't wait
Well Well Well @ 68:
How could this happen? Everyone knows that bu$h always ignores the law.
Eingang Verbotten!
I have encouraged my daughter to leave, and she is. It may be too late for me.
I understand that they are desperate for workers in western Canada.
Executive Order: Blocking Property of Certain Persons Who Threaten Stabilization Efforts in Iraq
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/07/20070717-3.html
We must impeach dead-eye Dickhead and the his stupid Monkey now.
ysbaddaden @ 58:
ThePromenader @ 28:
They are not conspiracy theories most of the time, they are just things people want to ignore. NO ALL of them are true but many of them are and when you are talking about the Bush admin NOTHING is off limits.
Chris @ 53:
Penis?
They seem to want to know where it is at all times.
Uh.... Shouldn't they want congress to know what the plan is, so that they know what to do if the shit hits the fan?
I'm not a conspiracy theorist. I'm a conspiracy factist. We've moved beyond mere theory. Too bad so many of us who knew it all along were stifled when we tried to warn everyone, even on this very site.
L.A. Confidential @ 16:
I totally agree! The financial institutions have propped Bush up for a long time, but the crash wont come until the Dems are in the WH. I firmly believe the numbers we receive from the labor department, and others, are bogus. The truth will out-in the fullness of time. That "vast right wing conspiracy" that everyone pooh-poohed is alive in the WH. This executive order thing has got me crazy, too. Would they "stage" a terrorist attack so they could take over the gov and completely bypass Congress? If we fail to impeach this admin, we are complicit in their crimes........... I hope I am wrong.
The plan most likely disbands the Congress and strips them of any and all authority, effectively making Bush a dictator. So no, they most definitly don't want Congress to know.
hadenuf @ 77:
As I mentioned in one of my previous post that you may not be safe here. Our current government is a servant of Bush. They are also there till 2009. Our only hope is that they are a minority and can be removed by the majority. If Bush comes a knockin and enough Canadians do not want to obey there could be conflict. I would advise going to New Zealand, I may have to if our government follows Bush more than they already are.
A conspiracy is any meeting held behind closed doors.
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anonymous @ 73:
Does anyone REALLY think these traitorous bastards are just going to up and leave peacefully in January of 2009?
We are headed straight towards a nightmare. All those "conservative" nutcases on the right, that scream about our morally challenged society, that rail against government programs and government oversight but have obediently sucked the asses of George Bush and his neocon masters may well find themselves under the yoke of a totalitarian government.
If there IS an upside, they'll be imprisoned with those of us on the left that have long wanted to have "a little chat" with them about their views and politics.
I pledge allegiance
to george bush and the
united states of america
and to the republicans
for which it stands
one nation under
GOD
with liberty and justice for all
most everybody
heh...
hadenuf @ 77:
That's where I'm heading very soon if there isn't a revolutionary movement against this malignant corruption that has been allowed to fester within OUR government for decades. Otherwise we all will be serfs, sorry boys & girls I'm no ones slave.
Rage says: Wake the hell up, America! We are now the laughing stock of the planet. The world has dismissed the Chimperor as Hitler sans a brain. Why have we not unloaded this little pinhead? The chimp is literally killing us! IMPEACH NOW!
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What in the hell is happening to the 'Greatest Democracy the World Has Ever Seen'?
Not a chance. There may or may not be an election. It's conceivable at the very least that they'll take that slim, small, minor chance a repub is elected somehow (Diebold much?), and if they aren't, they still have a small window where Chimpy is in charge and can implement his plans.
Stonicus @ 85:
Bingo.
USA is a representative republic, not a democracy. Never was.
A pure democracy will never work on a large scale like a country. Works great for little leagues and PTA meetings though.
kurtnv_1 @ 41:
Okay now I'm scared into action. Subpoenas use to strike fear in the hearts of those who were served, that the weight of the law is about to come crashing down on them. The White House has showed Congress for the whole world to see that their subpoenas are no more than White House toilet tissue not even worth the paper they are written on. Why? Because the White House controls the two legal entities that can execute them - 1. The Justice Department and 2. virtually the Supreme Court. Executive Privilege has become a declaration of absolute power to trump even the constitution.
I will forgo watching TV tonight to write Congress, and remind them that history is repeating itself. We villify Hitler, but the two bodies responsible for his assention to power and tyranical rule gets a free pass in history:
1. A passive and political loyal German people
2. (and I'm quoting a documentary I saw on the subject) A pathetically weak opposition party
Tell me that doesn't sound like familiar territory. I'm with you. Let's give Congress an earful ASAP!!! This is not trivial.
Save our democracy
IMPEACH NOW !!!!!
I understand that they are desperate for workers in western Canada.
Very much so...jobs are going begging. Teach your daughter to weld, she'll make a fortune.
I have been saying for the past year and a half that the '08 election will be canceled due to a national emergency. My gut feeling is that June to August of '08 will be the beginning of the end.
Well Well Well @ 86:
I wonder about that. Harper is a minority gov't, but the Liberals and the NDP have no visible leadership. Harper's holding on with an alliance to Quebec separatists, IIRC, and keeps them happy by buying off on increased Quebec subsidies. This can only back fire on Quebec, which is sad, as I like Quebec.
My guess is the NDP and the liberals will have to go into a huddle and come up with acceptable leadership, go into another runoff and have either the NDP or Liberal leader come out on top. I'm more of a Green/NDP kind of guy, but if the Liberals get in with an NDP coalition, then they will have to buy off on a bunch of NDP inspired legislation and put together a cabinet with significant NDP representation.
And while Harper is a patsy for the Bush Junta, he is still well to the left of Hillary Clinton...
:-/
This is all pretty scary stuff. Frankly, we'd be naive to trust this administration. Sounds like they're putting systems in place to make sure they maintain control of our govt, come hell or high water. Paul Craig Roberts is absolutely correct when he states that our American constitutional system is very near to being over thrown. Otherwise, why all the secrecy? It just doesn't make sense, unless they're up to no good. I just can't believe what's happened to this country. It's unconsiounable that both Republicans and Dems aren't calling for impeachment. And while I respect Russ Feingold for having the kahunas to censure, it's simply not enough. This administration is dangerous and out of control. They've already committed high crimes and misdemeanors, and are capable of much worse, if not reigned in. The only way to reign them in is through impeachment.
Is it on the table yet, Nancy?
Use this brother, it will serve you well.
First used in reference to either a Bible or a condom, not sure which.
http://www.uclick.com/client/nyt/bs/
Otay @ 102:
She'll have to scootch her butt off first.
rage @ 30:
DHS = SS
hadenuf @ 77:
our Pee-Ehm ain't much better, but he's at least enough of a coward to kowtow to public pressure... and i certainly wouldn't trade our flawed health-care system for yours.... i think having more than two parties probably helps to minimize the divisiveness of partisanship because no matter which party rules the roost, they still have to negotiate with each other to get anything done...
The next "New Pearl Harbor" is coming. Martial law will be declared and you can forget anything about presidential elections - The end of America as you know it.
I have made a few comments in the past about how Bush needs to disolve congress and rule as the chimp emp. that he is.
He even said so awhile back, about how much easier his job would be without the House and Senate.
Seems like it is only a matter of time.
What are they hiding? everything, their crimes they have already committed and the crimes they are going to commit, that's what they are hiding!!!
Also I saw a headling on MSNBC from Newsweek about a new biography calling Cheney the worrier, but it's not about Dick worrying that he might get caught, it says it's about Dick's obsession with U.S. security...wow, I guess since it's a biographer he doesn't actaully need to get the facts straight, but Dick has never had a single care for U.S. Security, he only cares about himself. And this asshole instead of telling Americans what we could do to stop their power or make suggestions he just wants to tell us lies. And never once says the reason he still is in power is that the U.S. Congress has no balls to do anything to stand up to him (sure we have the odd few who try to stand up, but the gutless Republicans and the Fringe Dems who won't stand up are bringing everyone down.)
The signs and solutions are coming from patriotic Former Reagan Officials..
"A former Reagan official has issued a public warning that the Bush administration is preparing to orchestrate a staged terrorist attack in the United States, transform the country into a dictatorship, and launch a war with Iran within a year."
http://www.counterpunch.org/roberts07162007.html
A former Reagan Deputy Attorney is calling for an immediate solution..
--> Impeachment
http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07132007/watch.html
Where and What is Cheney up to?
What did he say recently?
The greatest threat now is "a 9/11 occurring with a group of terrorists armed not with airline tickets and box cutters, but with a nuclear weapon in the middle of one of our own cities." - Dick Cheney on Face the Nation, CBS, April 15, 2007
http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/face_041507.pdf
Cheney told WLS in Chicago on Friday April 13: It's important that people remember 9/11."
Then Rick Santorum recently said on a radio show, "between now and November (2008), a lot of things are going to happen, and I believe that by this time next year, the American public is going to have a very different view of this war."
Chertoff ... we know what he said..
Dont be fooled... Its not just a "gut feeling"..
Just like the town criers..
Keep talking everyone.
Stonicus @ 95:
and is quickly becoming a Righteous Republic...
http://www.albatrus.org/english/goverment/govenrment/democracy%20versus%...
"The difference between Republic and Righteous Republic is that in the Republic the Government rules according to the law set up by men, in the Righteous Republic the law is the Law of God. Only in the Righteous Republic it can truly be said "One nation under God" for it is governed under commandments of the only One True God and there is no pluralism of religions."
The secret plan? Fill all those secret detainee camps in America with "enemies".
expat @ 100:
Yes Harper is buying Quebec, he did it and angered every other province. I am in one of the poorest provinces and we got a 1 percent increase in payment and he gave Quebec a 30 percent increase. Quebec is the biggest welfare province, they do not allow english in their stores so many English people cannot work. I like Qubec because my family comes from there and its a beautiful place but it has its problems.
As for Liberl/NDP and Greens...well I support the Canadian Action party. I used to support the greens but the CAP (Look it up) have it right on ALL the issues especially Debt and Economy. But if there was a war with the US or some sort of conflict the NDP/Greens would probably have to drag the liberals kicking and screaming to defend us.
Harper is just as bad as Bush, but in a way worst because he is intelligent..now thats scary.
AJ Fan @ 15:
Hell yeah. This reminds of a Bill Hicks when he was talking about Bush 41 . "Here's American Gladiators...go back to sleep America.." Pacify America with mindless shit and mindless news.
I hope you guys aren't right. I like to kid myself by thinking that this administration is too stupid to orchestrate anything as sophisticated as a terrorist attack. Look at the current disastrous war at hand. However, I've accepted that this administration is willing to do anything to keep the fascists in power, and that they don't give a shit about what we think.
Otay @ 102:
Only thing on the table is Nancy ( for the highest bidder I suspect ), she is keeping in check the one power Congress has to fix the situation ( impeachment ), thus she has castrated the power of majority the Democrats have in the House.
IMHO I believe she is complicit and in bed with the elitists that are turning this country to fascism.
nyguy @ 1:
While Bush and Cheney may not have a plan for exiting Iraq, they most certainly have a plan for what to do if there is another terroist attack in the US! It starts with siezing the property and assets of anyone who oppose his Iraq policy.
"Executive Order: Blocking Property of Certain Persons Who Threaten Stabilization Efforts in Iraq "
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/07/20070717-3.html
And if you think that the "lefties" are afraid of this... wait till you hear what the rightwingers are saying:
"Old-line Republican warns 'something's in the works' to trigger a police state"
Thom Hartmann began his program on Thursday by reading from a new Executive Order which allows the government to seize the assets of anyone who interferes with its Iraq policies.
He then introduced old-line conservative Paul Craig Roberts -- a former Assistant Secretary of the Treasury under Reagan who has recently become known for his strong opposition to the Bush administration and the Iraq War -- by quoting the "strong words" which open Roberts' latest column: "Unless Congress immediately impeaches Bush and Cheney, a year from now the US could be a dictatorial police state at war with Iran."
"I don't actually think they're very strong," said Roberts of his words. "I get a lot of flak that they're understated and the situation is worse than I say. ... When Bush exercises this authority [under the new Executive Order] ... there's no check to it. It doesn't have to be ratified by Congress. The people who bear the brunt of these dictatorial police state actions have no recourse to the judiciary. So it really is a form of total, absolute, one-man rule. ... The American people don't really understand the danger that they face."
Roberts said that because of Bush's unpopularity, the Republicans face a total wipeout in 2008, and this may be why "the Democrats have not brought a halt to Bush's follies or the war, because they expect his unpopular policies to provide them with a landslide victory in next year's election."
http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Oldline_Republican_warns_somethings_in_wor...
rage @ 30:
Re. the switch to "Homeland," see this article posted at Tomhartman.com that touches on how the Nazis used the term "Homeland" as a propaganda device and came up with the idea for their own department of Homeland Security to consolidate the actions of independent police forces in order to secure their own "Homeland" from a terrorist threat.
When Democracy Failed:
The Warnings of History
by Thom Hartmann
SNIP
Within the first months after that terrorist attack, at the suggestion of a political advisor, he brought a formerly obscure word into common usage. He wanted to stir a "racial pride" among his countrymen, so, instead of referring to the nation by its name, he began to refer to it as "The Homeland," a phrase publicly promoted in the introduction to a 1934 speech recorded in Leni Riefenstahl's famous propaganda movie "Triumph Of The Will." As hoped, people's hearts swelled with pride, and the beginning of an us-versus-them mentality was sewn. Our land was "the" homeland, citizens thought: all others were simply foreign lands. We are the "true people," he suggested, the only ones worthy of our nation's concern; if bombs fall on others, or human rights are violated in other nations and it makes our lives better, it's of little concern to us.
Playing on this new nationalism, and exploiting a disagreement with the French over his increasing militarism, he argued that any international body that didn't act first and foremost in the best interest of his own nation was neither relevant nor useful. He thus withdrew his country from the League Of Nations in October, 1933, and then negotiated a separate naval armaments agreement with Anthony Eden of The United Kingdom to create a worldwide military ruling elite.
His propaganda minister orchestrated a campaign to ensure the people that he was a deeply religious man and that his motivations were rooted in Christianity. He even proclaimed the need for a revival of the Christian faith across his nation, what he called a "New Christianity." Every man in his rapidly growing army wore a belt buckle that declared "Gott Mit Uns" - God Is With Us - and most of them fervently believed it was true.
Within a year of the terrorist attack, the nation's leader determined that the various local police and federal agencies around the nation were lacking the clear communication and overall coordinated administration necessary to deal with the terrorist threat facing the nation, particularly those citizens who were of Middle Eastern ancestry and thus probably terrorist and communist sympathizers, and various troublesome "intellectuals" and "liberals." He proposed a single new national agency to protect the security of the homeland, consolidating the actions of dozens of previously independent police, border, and investigative agencies under a single leader.
http://www.thomhartmann.com/democracyfailed.shtml
Check out also this post at Democratic Underground and the comments that follow:
I Don't Live in the Homeland
I don't live in the "Homeland".
I don't live in the "Motherland"
I don't live in the "Fatherland"
I live in a state
My state is part of the UNITED states
My country is the sum of its parts
Until recently, when my country was spoken of by its leaders, it was called OUR COUNTRY..or THE UNITED STATES...or just AMERICA.
The re-naming of our country is just another exclusionary tactic to further isolate us .
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WinkyDink Tue Jul-17-07 01:47 PM
I think Georgie learned that at Grampa Prescott's knee, don't you? The term is no accident, no fluke, no coincidence.
Golden Raisin
I think they know exactly what the derivation is and associations are. I'm waiting to see the 'Arbeit macht frei" signs over the gates to the domestic Halliburton internment camps.
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dicksteele
A chill went down my spine the first time I heard that word used to describe my country. Even more frightening was how many of my fellow citizens didn't even BLINK at the term.
Blue_In_AK
I absolutely LOATHE that term "homeland" It's so Third Reich.
I Don't Live in the Homeland
I gather there a few others feeling creeped out by use of this Orwellian sounding, Nazi/fascist, propaganda like term to describe the USA:
Site Monitor: Please don't post in all bold.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCM_wQy4YVg
Here is the answer to America's problems. I would advise watching it all and PAYING ATTENTION! This could help everyone.
What really scares me is that every paranoid thought I had about the Bush administration is coming to fruition.
This is a really bad sign.
It's time to impeach.
Impeach. Our government's in serious jeopardy.
Jason @ 12:
This is blathering drivel, but may serve a single purpose - as caution to the more rational. All this domestic saber-rattling by the current maladministration is, in my view, spritely designed to bring out the very best of the very worst. My bet is that there's a windowless facility (among the many) where someone is able to graph the stimulus/response of the nation. Yes, I bet there's a scientific analysis being done which takes the national "temperature". It's released last week that a new "executive order" allows taking bank accounts of US citizens with no notice or process and granting itself a wide swath of justification. Within hours the responses start to flow.
So with this latest revealing of even more horror, and on a Monday (out of the pattern), again the response is checked.
There's another aspect to consider: If those who might offer trouble may be identified and systematically squelched long before any of the maladministration draconianism is actually engaged (because for now it's still all talk), it will make the process all the smoother. I bet the reasons why that "cake walk" could not be accomplished in IRAQ has, if there's any competence remaining, been fully absorbed. So we see one of the lessons demonstrated right here. Perhaps unfortunate - C&L and all the other web forums are providing a rather fertile feeding ground from which to pluck.
Therefore I think it's the responsibility of C&L (and the others) to fully inform their readers of this potential or at least acknowledge that such is entirely possible. Particularly at a point in the downward fall (we're past the slide) towards totalitarianism.
When Members of Congress are denied; when the maladministration hides behind their own manipulation of "Justice" (which, perhaps encouragingly, suggests there is still some to be had); when seats in hearing rooms remain empty; and mostly when Congress, particularly the Senate, and even more particularly the few Democrats running for president, haven't the balls (excepting one who may take a genetic excuse) to stand up and bring this nonsense to a halt, I'd say the country is in much deeper doo doo than any "terrorist" could accomplish.
I hear that two women have been marching across the country and will soon reach Washington, DC as their war protest. They were hoping to create a groundswell and have millions join on. So far, only a trickle.
The dull thud of their arrival will likely say it all: there are a small few who know and value this nation (many who well represent themselves in these forums). The rest are happy to live with 250 cable channels (sports, sitcoms, and "news"), stuffing themselves with fried chicken, keeping the beer flowing, and maintaining a false sense of worth by burying anyone who might point out that they're (considering even convicts are now welcome to put on the uniform) quite eligible to put their blather to the test and enlist.
The rest of us need to enlist, also. With the pen, the purse, and with peace.
The BBC produced a 3 part story last fall--"the power of nightmares". You can watch it on youtube. It calls the war on terror pure propaganda.
[UK's Brown said that he would no longer use that term].
I watched only the first part so far, but my favorite line was that the neocons think they are saving us from something only they can see.
I frequently sign off GWOT =BS.
Rasputin @ 115:
Yeah, that's essentially what I've been saying...
Add to that that the Dems don't want to own the war yet. They want to let the Republicans keep it for now. The Dems don't want to end it, because they will be blamed for losing it. The Repubs can't win it, but they don't want to lose it either. As long as the war continues, both parties win, while America, our soldier and Iraq loses.
In this case, the Repubs have set up a situation where destroying America is a winning strategy and neither party has an interest in stopping the slide.
David @ 117:
The Democrats' Iraqi Dilemma
Questions Unasked, Answers Never Volunteered
By Ira Chernus
Pity the poor Democratic candidates for president, caught between Iraq and a hard place. Every day, more and more voters decide that we must end the war and set a date to start withdrawing our troops from Iraq. Most who will vote in the Democratic primaries concluded long ago that we must leave Iraq, and they are unlikely to let anyone who disagrees with them have the party's nomination in 2008.
But what does it mean to "leave Iraq"? Here's where most of the Democratic candidates come smack up against that hard place. There is a longstanding bipartisan consensus in the foreign-policy establishment that the U.S. must control every strategically valuable region of the world -- and none more so than the oil heartlands of the planet. That's been a hard-and-fast rule of the elite for some six decades now. No matter how hard the task may be, they demand that presidents be rock-hard enough to get the job done.
So whatever "leave Iraq" might mean, no candidate of either party likely to enter the White House on January 20, 2009 can think it means letting Iraqis determine their own national policies or fate. The powers that be just wouldn't stand for that. They see themselves as the guardians of world "order." They feel a sacred obligation to maintain "stability" throughout the imperial domains, which now means most of planet Earth -- regardless of what voters may think. The Democratic front-runners know that "order" and "stability" are code words for American hegemony. They also know that voters, especially Democratic ones, see the price of hegemony in Iraq and just don't want to pay it anymore.
So the Democratic front-runners must promise voters that they will end the war -- with not too many ideologically laden ifs, ands, or buts -- while they assure the foreign-policy establishment that they will never abandon the drive for hegemony in the Middle East (or anywhere else). In other words, the candidates have to be able to talk out of both sides of their mouths at the same time.
No worries, it turns out. Fluency in doublespeak is a prime qualification for high political office. On Iraq, candidates Dennis Kucinich and Bill Richardson don't meet that test. They tell anyone and everyone that they want "all" U.S. troops out of Iraq, but they register only 1-4% in the polls and are generally ignored in the media. The Democrats currently topping the polls, on the other hand, are proving themselves eminently qualified in doublespeak.
The Democrats' Iraqi Dilemma
Let's see, that took awhile to compose. Try again w/o last (deleted) paragraph. Sorry, sitemonitor, I get the point.
Ask pointed questions of dem and repub candidates:" Re: the elephant in the room.How will you stop the u.s. gov't from fascist takeover".
After this next "planned" terr-ist attack, are we looking at another "fixed" election or an outright cancellation of the '08 elections. gee I wonder.....
GET THIS EMERGENCY ON THE MSM: our friend Keith Olbermann and others are our BEST friends to get the word out nationally (bet he's pounding the keyboard right now).
We've known this in our bones since 2000. My family is not rich. I have a 19 year old son and plan to get him a passport at-the-ready. Camping gear cheap from China on the net while we can. I'm a first-generation american with 400 years of history in Quebec and the Prince Edward Islands yet can't afford to undo what Grandma Levesque did and go back.
DON'T wait for lawmakers at this point. We need to think in terms of contingiency plans
for ourselves and our families.
This should be interesting now. Let's see what language the Dems use in the face of this true NATIONAL EMERGENCY. We are about to see exactly where we stand (even tho we kinda already know).
What we need is Harry Reid to call for a non-binding resolution for congress to ignore Bush when they see him in the cafeteria. And then take all it back and apologize.
Let's see...how could this work...
Day 1 - Pelosi puts impeachment "back on the table".
Day 2 - BOOOOOOOM!
Day 3 - President implements his "emergency executive order".
Day 4 - Good bye Constitution, Good bye Congress
Jason @ 12:
Honestly dude it should have happened after he was appointed president the first time by the supreme court. If it has not happened by now it will never happen. It is amazing to me Mexican citizens took to the streets and protested when it was clear their election was stolen yet Americans just watch in stunned disbelief and then turn the channel because the sopranos are on for Christ sake.
Its a bit of a stretch as a plausible reality but I still wouldnt mind if congress took a look. Just to be sure.
L.A. Confidential @ 35:
Georgette Orwell @ 9:
El Gordo @ 2:
The FASCISM marches on. In case you've missed, read this primer, "..to understand the potential seriousness of the events we see unfolding in the US" :
http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,,2064157,00.html
"Fascist America, in 10 easy steps
From Hitler to Pinochet and beyond, history shows there are certain steps that any would-be dictator must take to destroy constitutional freedoms. And, argues Naomi Wolf, George Bush and his administration seem to be taking them all "
I always thought that George W. Bush forgot that the most important thing about the presidency in our Republic is that no matter how much power you amass, after 8 years in office it's all over and all of that power is passed on to someone else. I guess I was incredibly naive to believe that he didn't have a plan "B" to enable him to retain power after his allotted time. We should remember that Abraham Lincoln stood for re-election in the middle of the Civil War. I can't imagine a terrorist attack that would qualify as a more serious national emergency. Of course, George Bush is no Abe Lincoln.
Democracy is the over-arching term. This process can take one of two forms: direct, like some New England town hall meetings where people vote on issues, or indirect where people vote for representatives (Republic) to vote in their stead, like proxies.
A Republic can also be like ancient Rome, that was dictatorial and oligarchical. We may have elements of both, but that's not the same as saying democracy never existed in this country.
Aristotle considered democracy to be a debased form of governance, with everyone voted for their own personal interests. He preferred constitutional monarchy. Our Founding Fathers feared what they called Mobocracy, governance by whoever can gather the greater mob. That's why they sewed in elements of both with seperation and balance of power.
a warning----they must impeach now!!!!!
http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Oldline_Republican_warns_somethings_in_wor...
As I’ve mentioned before, please remind them (politely) that Congress is a coequal branch of our government and that President Bush is a public servant and therefore accountable to the people HE SERVES.
I think it is pretty clear that this is no longer how it works. They have been working secretly and diligently for 6 years now, slowly putting all the pieces in place. All they need now is the incident or trigger to complete the total transformation.
I really don't understand why nobody has done anything to stop this progression before now.
Herr Bush, if you think we, the public, will stand for martial law, here's our response:
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bubba @ 131:
Ed @ 130:
I'm sure we can adopt some fresh 'n' hot skills right about now. We're adaptable right? We can walk and chew gum at the same time, right?
I should mention that the US constitution guaranteed all states should have at least a Republican form of government, but the States are allowed to give greater liberty than the US constitution, as long as the the additional liberties aren't against federal law like medicinal marijuana (federal supremacy clause).
I'm all for recreational marijuana.
El Gordo @ 2:
The problem with this thinking is that it relies on Bush Admin to be fair and equitable. Knowing this Bush Admin, fairness would not ever happened. They will define and redefine what a terrorist attack is until they see fit. They can, and have defined even a an act of God, such as a hurricane and/or flood as a terrorist attack, and usurped the powers of the state and local government.
This administration always said that they admired the way China conducts it's autocratic governement.
Concerning the next false flag attack, Look for areas that have decent-sized cacausian population, but low economic development ie construction projects.
Many of the lemmings will be scared into shape....
Perhaps the good news is that if/when the U.S. does collapse economically, it will be more clearly defined which geographical areas to live in. Jesusland wouldn't be one of them. I say that living in a progressive bubble surrounded by Jesusland.
In the face of these developements, I don't believe there's a way to AVOID revolution.
Materiality: Legitimacy problem
Hiding information important for decision makers is a troubling development: It means, as with the FISA violations, that Members of Congress are being denied important information to make informed voting, oversight, and budgeting decisions. Also, evidence that is not provided can be entered as an adverse judgment: That the information was not disclosed -- as required -- with one objective: To hide evidence of illegal activity. Legitimate governments rely on written laws and rules. Refusing to allow decision makers to review written documents supports the adverse conclusion: The US government lacks legitimacy.
Lawyer Complicity: Disbarment issues
The lawyers helped create Watergate, Iran-Contra, and now this. Same thing happened with Germany in WWII: It was the lawyers who twisted the laws -- rules of reason -- into absurd non-sense. A national policy fails when non-sense, as is today, rules.
There Are Options
1. Contracts illegally supporting this dictatorship, cannot be completed: Declare the US government a dictatorship, and refuse to perform on all illegal contracts supporting this dictatorship.
2. Evidence collection: Support transmission of evidence to foreign powers to support war crimes indictments against US legal community, US leadership, and complicit members of Congress.
3. State level: Work with your State AG's to prosecute a sitting President and VP outside Congress, outside impeachment.
4. Budgets: Remind your member of Congress that the budgets -- while in committee -- can be zeroed out; and require the GOP to pass Amendments to add money back. The GOP has no power to require Congress to, first, have money that can only be "taken away" with Amendment.
5. Support impeachment regardless GOP Senate vote: Regardless what the Senate does, impeachment means Bush and Cheney are denied a pardon; and they cannot be shielded as Libby was with his commutation. Impeachment removes the option of any future President -- GOP or DNC -- to lawfully immunize either Bush or Cheney. Doesn't matter if the Senate votes to convict; and the impeachment would clear the way for future prosecutions to take their time to prosecute these issues. Impeachment means the VP and President cannot be pardoned for those-charged crimes.
7. Prosecuting Members of Congress: Remind your Members of Congress that if they do not impeach, or block prosecutions -- that inaction and malfeasance in the wake of war crimes can be entered into evidence for purposes of litigating 5 USC 3331 oath of office violations. Either they enforce the law against the VP and President; or they will become targets for law enforcement action by the States, US government and international forces.
8. Notice: Remember what is happening, and discuss solutions to ensure this does not happen again.
crazylove @ 144:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gf-Q2rDd6Tw
If we can't leave the country, Vermont is the only truly progessive state to be on standby because Vermont will stand tough and is close to the canadian border.
crazylove @ 144:
No there isn't a way. Its down to if the American people are made of the same stuff they used to be.
crazylove @ 147:
Yes I admire Vermont:) I am in Canada and Vermont would be a place I would go if Ron Paul became the president:)
Storm the Whitehouse? Be prepared to be met by Bush's proletarian guard, a.k.a. BLACKWATER. And remember: the National Guard won't be able to come to your defense -- Bush & Co. have "neutralized" them.
The Second Amendment always seemed like Constitutional dead weight, a relic from a distant time when reasonable men feared despots and prepared themselves to defend their freedom. I get it now.
VT also has a secessionist movement (as well as some racist groups in the south--surprise).
hadenuf @ 151:
Can you blame Vermont for wanting to leave? As for the racist elements well that is not good but I am positive that doesn't represent most of the Secessionist movement.
http://www.vermontrepublic.org/about
The Second Vermont Republic is a nonviolent citizens' network and think tank opposed to the tyranny of Corporate America and the U.S. government, and committed to the return of Vermont to its status as an independent republic and more broadly to the dissolution of the Union.
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