BREAKING: Documents Contradict Gonzales' testimony
By Nicole Belle Tuesday Jul 24, 2007 6:50pmWe have documentation now, Congress. C'mon, is there another "Contempt of Congress" charge on the horizon?
Documents show that eight congressional leaders were briefed about the Bush administration's terrorist surveillance program on the eve of its expiration in 2004, contradicting sworn Senate testimony this week by Attorney General Alberto Gonzales.
The documents, obtained by The Associated Press, come as senators consider whether a perjury investigation should be opened into conflicting accounts about the program and a dramatic March 2004 confrontation leading up to its potentially illegal reauthorization.
A Gonzales spokesman maintained Wednesday that the attorney general stands by his testimony.
At a heated Senate Judiciary Committee hearing Tuesday, Gonzales repeatedly testified that the issue at hand was not about the terrorist surveillance program, which allowed the National Security Agency to eavesdrop on suspects in the United States without receiving court approval.
Instead, Gonzales said, the emergency meetings on March 10, 2004, focused on an intelligence program that he would not describe.[..]
"The dissent related to other intelligence activities," Gonzales testified at Tuesday's hearing. "The dissent was not about the terrorist surveillance program."
"Not the TSP?" responded Sen. Charles E. Schumer, D-N.Y. "Come on. If you say it's about other, that implies not. Now say it or not."
"It was not," Gonzales answered. "It was about other intelligence activities."
A four-page memo from the national intelligence director's office shows that the White House briefing with the eight lawmakers on March 10, 2004, was about the terror surveillance program, or TSP.
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First!
More votes for reprimands... more harsh words... more nasty emails to Gonzo's office... more of not a damned thing is really going to happen.
Wicked burn.
Clearly, Gonzales got into Harvard on some AFFIRMATIVE ACTION program, which is legalized discrimination... and now we see how UNQUALIFIED people advanced. The liberals are as much to blame for this crook as the Bushies.
Their not gonna' do nuttin'.
Bush will just flip the bird and say FU!
What excuse will the prez come up to tell the US Attorney responsible for prosecuting these charges not to prosecute these charges?
And of course nothing will happen. Call me surprised. Perhaps we should just save the tax money and get rid of congress. They do nothing as it is anyway.
Let me guess...
WH: "The document was wrong..."
or
AG: "Oh shit, i fucked up. I ment to say..."
LIES LIES LIES!
The truth is always much easier to keep track of than a pack of lies, you keep having to lie about, then lie some more to cover for the lies you lied about.
( wow that even confused me )
That is why liars always eventually get caught.
Is there a link to this memo?
What do you expect from an Enron lawyer?
tbhull @ 6:
Executive Privilege
Please, God, get this man's butt in a sling at last so we can get him the hell out of there.
Some of you are being so cynical. Would you prefer that nothing was done?
I think I got a blow job at a whore house in Acuna's boystown some twenty years ago from this guy when he was wearing a wig, cheap lipstick and a cute dress. The dress has changed but his ability to take it has not.
L.A. Confidential @ 12:
Gonzo waived it when he lied yesterday. The toothpaste is out of the tube.
Another goddamn pardon.
Bill Clinton was almost impeached for less than this. C'mon, Democrats, grow some.
This is an episode of Star Trek, and AG has red shirt written all over him. What more do you need? Kick his *ss out of there!!!
I watched the entire hearing, and my recollection is that every time Gonzales mentioned the TSP, he added the phrase "that the President confirmed," meaning the extent of the TSP that Bush confirmed to the American people. I think this is the key phrase. If there is ANY difference between the TSP "that the President confirmed" and the TSP over which Comey, Gonzales et al. were fighting, then Gonzales could claim that he was being technically accurate in his testimony, even though the intent obviously was to mislead Congress. I predict that this will happen -- Gonzales will claim that the full TSP extended a bit beyond the boundaries which Bush described publicly (of course -- when is the last time Bush described a so-called national security program in full?), so that it is technically true that there were "other intelligence activities" (a phrase Gonzales kept using at yesterday's hearing) beyond the TSP that Bush had confirmed Gonzales will claim that the fight was over these other activities, and this will come down to a simple disagreement and thus, at best, a legal case against Gonzales for perjury and obstruction that will end in failure. As we have seen with Scooter Libby and elsewhere, when it comes to bringing the Bush Administration criminals to justice, it's best not to get one's hopes up even in the case of evidence that seems damning and incontovertible.
Blue Buddha @ 2:
More DEFEATISM from Blue Buddha.
And, btw, Buddha, "nothing is going to happen" is a description of nirvana, so I'm glad you are still spreading the dharma.
What is the sound of your asscheeks sitting? Why should you bother even whining, except the defeatism is such a thrill?
Better headline:
Gonzo contradicts Gonzo testimony
The man is an embarrassment and cover for the Bush Crime Family.
We who paid attention knew this going in... he should never have been confirmed.
Thanks, Joe "I love you, man" Biden et al..
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Gonzales is too smug about his indiscretions. Perhaps he over-estimates his value to bush, except to keep his mouth shut. Perhaps Gonzales has reached the point of diminishing returns according to rove's "math." Perhaps Gonzales would be wise to look behind him every once in a while and develop a healthy sense of paranoia. He's slowly becoming a severe liability to the cabal.
When the Attorney General of the U.S. lies like a filthy rug in front of the entire United States, what does that say about the man who appointed him and refuses to fire him?
I'll say I will be pleasantly surprised if they follow through with this and get convictions.
I'm not going to get my hopes up to high though.
How can you get an embarrassment of a POTUS leading an embarrassment of an administration to recognize an embarrassment of an AG?
Wow, Gonzales is a liar. Who'd'a thunk it.
Alberto. Oh Alberto. Keep lying Al worst case scenario we give you a full pardon. Remember MUMS the word.
JudyLou @ 13:
Are we being cynical? Or are we just being realistic? Given the current track record of the Whore House right now can you doubt our skepticism? I prefer that if something were to be done...that something actually be done! That's what I prefer. Until then, everything else is a waste of time! More self-appeasing, conscience-soothing, political posturing and mental masturbation I don't need.
King of Mean @ 4:
Not "liberals" but Democrats. And only because they voted to confirm his nomination, in direct opposition to the advice they received from liberals.
Straight Shooter @ 22:
You are right mathematically speaking, but BushCo cannot replace him with another AG and keep a lid on the unconstitutional horrors that have taken place inside this most corrupt administration over the past years.
L.A. Confidential @ 12:
And that excuse won't fly, and everyone knows it.
Since we need to remove both AG Fredo and USA Taylor, let them declare their executive privelege, and let us continue to use their illegal claims to privilege to further nail them to the wall.
INDICTMENTS as soon as possible, rather than an impeachment process with not enough votes to convict, which only would succeed in removing them from power, probably after a year, if there were votes.
Unlike impeachment, indictments ARE a criminal process from day one, and they continue until they reach the inevitable CONVICTIONS. Indeed, they are likely to reach convictions AFTER Bushco has been forced from office, so therefore after the pardon power is gone.
LA Confidential's defeatism notwithstanding. How easy it is to whine and do nothing. Those of us who actually protest and work for change -- what suckers. And me, sucker that I am for change, will be in the streets tonight, and again on Friday, and on it goes. Maybe you, LA C, can get together at a bar with some of your fellow defeatists and maybe knock over a trash can on your way home.
Censure
Impeach
Indict (on war crimes)
Imprison (in the Hague)
Gonzo, Cheney, Rice and Bush
I present here all these unrelated words.
Gonzoles.
Dr. Evil's Board Room.
Trapdoor Chair.
Flames.
Thank You.
Is it just me?
What's so wrong with the nation's top law enforcement officer being a pathalogical liar?
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Everything and nothing.
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Maybe if Gonzo mislead congress about getting a blowjob from an intern at least the Republicans would be onboard for impeachment......oh, that's right, nevermind, that's reserved only for a twice elected Democrat they are trying to overthrow not for matters of warmongering and constitutional crisis.
serious question:
why did specter tell gonzo to reconsider what he'd said, to think about it because he may want to change his testimony? why???
he lied. that's it. perjury.
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Once again, the real problem in this country is SPINELESS DEMOCRATS. Listening to Dodd and Conyers and Pelosi and all the rest of those worthless assholes make excuses why they don't impeach, is just disgusting. It, and they, turn my stomach.
Republicans are just naturally evil; they can't help themselves. But Democrats - they have no excuse. They, as much as Bush, are responsible for this mess.
A Gonzales spokesman maintained Wednesday that the attorney general stands by his testimony.
Well, it must be o.k. then. Just wanted to share this clip.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=P682rGIhZwI&mode=user&search=
Paul in LA @ 30:
It's not defeatism. It's simply the way things are. If your such a freaking genius lay out your game plan of action for us.
Bush knows that the Democrats don't have the guts to stop his rampage through the government.
Indictment, please.
Punks with power. They really know how to jerk Congress around, don't they. I know as a rule it takes a long time for a lot of people (ie Congress) to get something done, but enough already.
I used to think of Gonzales as sort of like a sleazy tax attorney, cheating his way through his work...for the client, for himself. He's so much worse though. This is bottom of the barrel mankind. He'll justify anything, lie about anything for position and power.
Clinton's Fault
L.A. Confidential @ 41:
Do not waste your effort on Paul in LA as he will argue against impeachment at every turn. In fact, I think he would put his self-proclaimed skills as a street protester to work and oppose impeachment in a Dallas anti-impeachment march.
Paul in LA is afraid of impeachment. His argument against impeachment at all costs is a loser. Any indictments will take years (assuming a US Attorney decides to prosecute) and if any are successful; during this administration's term they will be met with a swift pardon Paul knows how rto protest on a street, but he has no plan on how to win a bigger fight as this one represents. That is why he will post for hours on impeachment is not a good idea. Cowards never lead and leaders are never cowards.
Gonzo - "I don't recall."
Reid/Pelosi - "okay, don't let it happen again"
Yawn...Somebody pass them some Balls please.
Enough with the threats already............DO SOMETHING!!! File Contempt charges, Something...please.
Oh, I forgot, August Recess....
This TSP program that allows spying on Americans is not about spying on terror suspects. It's about spying on Democrats. how come they can't figure it out.
The scary thing is, I don't think Gonzo wouldn't be such a blatant liar unless he knew he could get away with it.
"taking action when you have a direct conflict of interest to help out a buddy, something like that would constitute misconduct." Albert Gonzales said when asked by Feinstein about how many attorneys were fired.
why are we still debating this, even gonzo agrees he should be fired, in more words than that, but you would probably have to have him send it to you in writing because he wouldn't recall saying that, but you can hear it below for yourself.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=gtNAYg3L76w
still looking for the clip after this one that points out the text deleted from one of their guidelines against firing attorneys during election time for political leverage. wish i had that one, she really nailed him to the wall.
Maybe I'm too sentimental, but am I the only one who is actually tempted to feel sorry for Gonzales when he's getting hit from both sides during his lie fest to Congress? I said TEMPTED. I snap out of it when I think of his smug domestic warrantless wire tapping testimony:
"To the extent that Congress wants to suggest legislation, the president is willing to listen to your ideas". Please give us a real AG and not the president's b!tch.
"Asked for comment on the documents Wednesday evening, Justice spokesman Brian Roehrkasse said Gonzales 'stands by his testimony.'
'The disagreement referenced by Jim Comey in March 2004 was not about the particular intelligence activity that has been publicly described by the president," Roehrkasse said. "It was about other highly classified intelligence activities that have been briefed to the intelligence committees.'"
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See? It comes down to parsing and semantics. Gonzales never said there was a whole other "program," only that there were "other activities" than those confirmed by Bush as part of the TSP. Those "other activities" may well have been part of the TSP. But if the NY Times left out even one little "activity" when describing the TSP, then Gonzales will point to Bush's having confirmed the TSP as (incompletely) described by the NYT and say he was telling the truth. See how this works?
kdjid @ 52:
Glad you found your center. Myself, well I get sentimental whenever I think of how things were under Bill Clinton.
We Really Miss you Bill.
'Liii-ar!'
(dinkity-dink-a-ding!)
'Liii-ar!'
(dinkity-dink-a-ding!)
'Liii-ar! Liii-ar! Oooooo!'
That chorus keeps popping into my head whenever I see Gonzo's mug.
What IS that song? It was some '70's classic rock. (damn you, WRKO!)
I've emailed Leahy, my senator, and John Conyers and told them that Alberto Gonzales is not the only one who has lost credibility. As long as congress and the senate allow this kind of behavior to go on without the STRONGEST action against it, then they have also lost their credibility.
We have watched as they have been lied to. We have watched as justice was obstructed. We have watched as subpoenas have been completely ignored. And again, yesterday we watched the Attorney General of the United States LIE to the Senate judiciary committee again and again and again!!!!
What are they going to do about it? What is the House going to do to restore it's own credibility crisis? What is the Senate going to do to restore their credibility?
This is beyond ridiculous. The criminals in the White House continue to flaunt their crimes, and STILL, impeachment is "off the table"!!!!
Is there any part of our government left to save? What are they going to do????
Eternal Vigilance @ 55:
I think they were saying Fire.
MediaConcepts at 53, did Ashcroft ever testify? I thought he did behind closed doors, and if so, I sure love to know whether he took Comey's side or Gonzales's, especially in regard to pressure being put on a narked up Ashcroft. What spy program they were discussing doesn't seem relevant, just the tactics.
King of Mean @ 4:
Amazing. It only took till the fourth comment for someone to blame this on liberals. Not a record, I'd guess, but it must be close.
foolme1ns @ 56:
Continued Congressional inaction amounts to more than a loss of credibility, at a certain point, which was passed some time ago, continued Congressional inaction becomes complicity.
I'm actually For indictments that don't result in convictions until after Bush is out of office.
Since it's almost now a lock that dems will hold a huge majority in both Senate and Congress, and the chances for a Dem president are also very good, that would mean, NO PARDONS for Abu. And in my book, that's a good thing...
Anyone who has had the (misfortunate?) experience of reading my many rants knows where I stand. Hang 'em by the man parts..BUT:
I replayed the testimony and it could very well be interpreted that Gonzales was rattled when he said "It was not--" and corrected himself. He will say that he didn't mean it and was "shaken by the intense questioning." He will skate by this charge. As for the rest, it is obvious he was lying and should be ..as I said "Hung by the ....."
Richterscale @ 61:
I guess you assume that the US Attorney will bring charges.
Seriously, is Gonzalez okay? Is he well?
I just can't believe he's dissembling in this manner - completely inept.
Truth is stranger than fiction with these FREAKS!
naschkatze @ 58:
Good question. I don't know the answer. If the committees have never called Ashcroft to testify, then, to paraphrase Leahy, it might be a good idea.
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Richterscale Says:
Dream on. Nobody is going to vote for the do nothing democrats.
Yet again the democrats have found a way to pry defeat from the jaws of victory.
tbhull
I agree. Not only complicity, but capitulation of our entire system of government.
We voted the democrats into the majority because they promised to do something. Well, they have. They took impeachment off the table, and they have allowed the criminals to continue in their criminal behavior.
ignore 67 damn cut/paste f'n again
I am so glad that Bush lived up to his 2000 campaign promise (along with all of his other promises to the citzenry all these years) to restore honor and dignity to the White House.
Remember when KKKarl Rove got up and danced or rapped or whatever the fuck he did? Remember how all the ELITES laughed, schmoozed and rubbed elbows that night? Republicans and Democrats, together like buddies? All just having fun?
I think nothing gets done that needs to be done because the so-called public servant is dead. What we have now, except for a very few, is very rich and powerful people in the administration and the congress who do not want one of their own going down. They will allow criminality among their own set and maybe not condone it, but never really address it. They will have the dog and pony shows of hearings to make us think they will do something but they show their contempt by going on a month-long vacation while the country has a constitutional crises.
Unless we bribe them with money in the form of political donations. Unless we can offer them a piece of the action.
It is Upstairs Downstairs in reverse. The servants have taken over as masters. Valet service, corporate jets, month-long vacations while Rome burns in the August heat, private clubs, skybox tickets, and health care while babies and children go to bed hungry and families are forced to work 2 or 3 jobs just to stay afloat.
Do you think they lose sleep about this state of affairs? I doubt if most of them do. Yes, I am cynical. I have lived over 65 years in this country and the only way I keep my sanity is the hope of moving somewhere more civilized. I want a safe place for my grandchildren to grow up in happiness and freedom. I weep for the future of this once beautiful land we callhome.
When these liars get in front of Congress and claim over and over that they don't remember, Congress should hold them in contempt for a few months in order to jog their memory.
King of Mean @ 4:
clearly? huh? you got proof he got in because of AA? I think he's smart...he's just a liar and has no conscience.
foolme1ns @ 56:
Spot on! The only thing worse than Bushies pissing on congress and using the constitution as toilet paper IS the Democrats not having the balls to take corrective measures, or any measures. Procedural maneuvers (non-binding resolutions and censure proposals) are pure political masturbation; Reid, Pelosi, it's time to drop a pair and push back!!!
King of Mean @ 4:
I see you are repeating yourself, again.
So let see you back up the info with facts! what liberal got Gonzo into Harvard? What program was Gonzo on when he got in. I don't recall a "on some affirmative action program"
be specific!
It would be interesting to find out who vetted Gonzales' credentials for Attorney General , if ever there was such a process. That person (s) may have dropped the ball. It is clear to me that this man is lacking in the necessary experience and knowledge of what is required to be the nation's Attorney General. Did the senate not do their homework again if they were part of this process. Basically, I would like to know how he got the job in the first place. I don't want to believe that no thought the Attorney General's job was not an important one.
William @ 74:
While Reid and Pelosi have failed as leaders, Congress has failed as a whole. The whole includes Congressional repubs and even Lieberman. What this shows is that the current failure of our government is a global effort. DC needs to come to a crashing halt.
Scumbag.
foolme1ns (#56) :
Good Q. The Dems can bring anything to the table, but while the loyal Bushie 'pugs can kill it then there's a limit to what can be tangibly done.
Yes; we should proceed with impeachment proceedings with hellfire & damnation, and yes; history is watching. But I think everyone would agree that actual ass-kicking impeachment is the ultimate goal here.
Rusty was commenting about how fruitless it is to have a BushPug rep because they're too cronied-up to listen, yet this is exactly the situation where it could do the most good. When their homestate turns to quicksand, then they reconsider. But if they're not challenged by their own constituents, they won't have to. (Senators are categorically insulated from hearing ANY advocacy outside their state, it's a Senate thing)
Me, I'm in SoCal. I write my reps constantly, while conceding it's preaching to the choir most of the time. It's not like I need to convince Feinstein of anything re: Gonzo. Pelosi is a different matter.
Everyone in the US needs to contact their reps;
-the Dem strongholds who are FOR impeachment should get constituents' recognition and support.
-the 'nothing we can do" Dems need to be reminded of their oath of office.
-the DINOs will waver if they see Pugs jumping ship first. Lean on 'em.
-the Vichy Liebermans, (okay, Joe just can't be helped)
-but ESPECIALLY our friends in red states. Their reps are the thickest clots in this whole frustrating process, so it is their constituents who stand the best chance of doing the most good. Remind them: brand W is over, "Law & Order' Bush is breaking them all, history will judge those who were complicit, and August will be anything BUT restful.
Jesus I get sick of this.
Why does everyone call this the 'terrorist surveillance program'.
There is not a flyspit's worth of evidence that this targeted a single 'terrorist'.
Call it what it IS. Bush's ILLEGAL surveillance program.
Doesn't it give you a warm, secure, & fuzzy feeling knowing that the Attorney General of the United States of America, the chief law enforcement officer in the land is a compulsive pathological liar.
Calling him a scumbag is an insult to all the scumbags on the planet!
re: my own post @ #79:
I wish we had a 'clot map,' some website overview of the states we could click on to see where our state's senators stand on initiatives against Gonzo/Bush/Cheney; whose for it, who's against, who's wavering. It would make life easier when emailing them. Anyone know of links?
HAHA! Busted, muthafucka!!!
Hey, Dems: had enough of this dumbass yet?!?! Cart his ass off for perjury!!!
The Champ is out.
Or yeah, Contempt will work, too.
The Champ is out. (again)
Lieberman voted along with four other Democrats to confirm Gonzales as AG, I would like for them to explain what was it on Gonzales' resume that convinced them that Gonzales was the right man for the job.
This is like the myth that an ostrich will stick its head in the sand when in danger under the assumption that if it can't see what's threatening it, what's threatening it can't see the ostrich either. Gonzo has claimed the inability to remember anything other than his own name so many times he thinks no-one else can remember anything either.
I'm still waiting for someone to ask Gonzales, "Was John McKay fired for too vigorously pursuing the investigation of the murder of assistant U.S. Attorney Thomas C. Wales on October 11, 2001"?
mediaconcepts: my guess, Ashcroft will say he doesn't remember, being drugged up n all.
Senor Albondigas
So what else is new? Republcans just don't care about criminals in the WH. It's their favorite thing.
Mel @ 44:
And don't forget, his grandparents came into the U. S. illegally. That's the good old American "immigrant" values at work. Get here however you can and then do anything to get money and power.
the tyranny grows by the day
This is perjury, ladies and gentlemen.
"Clearly, Gonzales got into Harvard on some AFFIRMATIVE ACTION program, which is legalized discrimination… and now we see how UNQUALIFIED people advanced. The liberals are as much to blame for this crook as the Bushies."
Well, King of Queens, if Gonzales got into Harvard on some Liberal-based Affirmative Action Program, what's your "excuse" for the Decider in Chief?
BREAKING: Water is wet. More updates as events warrant.
King of Mean @ 4:
Nice logic. Now that's the kind of bullshit you can't argue with.
Actually if you're concerned about how "UNQUALIFIED" people advanced, look up the Regent University’s School of Law and how Monica Goodling got to be the 3rd ranking official of the Justice Department at the age of 33 years.
Alecia @ 85:
Close enough, actually I think it ended up being an even six, here's a list of the names: Lieberman (CT), Landrieu (LA), Bill Nelson (FL), Ben Nelson (NB), Pryor (AR), and Ken Salazar (CO). No surprises, treacherous, worthless DINOS all.
As demonstrated so aptly by Gonzo's example: Repugnicans have no shame. Include in this group Bill O'Reilly who has mislabelled himself from Republican to Independent. It is as if you re-labelled a can of Beans with a Peas label it would actually change the contents.
Remember this - In January of 2009 there will be a flurry of pardons, just as complete as the one issued by Gerald Ford, of any and all misdeeds by all the current administration. But who will pardon the Criminal in Chief?
Gonzo is disgraceful! this is just another in an administration of cronies and "yes" people. We desparately need some honest smart people that want to serve in government.
Paul K @ 94:
Executive privilege by Bush I
tbhull wrote: "Paul in LA is afraid of impeachment."
Paul in LA, unlike tbhull, spent TWO SOLID YEARS, daily, fighting for impeachment between 2002-4. Tbhull kept a clean birdcage.
"His argument against impeachment at all costs is a loser."
My argument, that we don't have enough votes for conviction, is a fact. That process is a loser.
"Any indictments will take years (assuming a US Attorney decides to prosecute)"
Yes they will. AND THEY RESULT IN IMPRISONMENT, WHICH THE NEOCONS FEAR LIKE A FIRE IN THEIR SILK PANTS.
"and if any are successful; during this administration's term they will be met with a swift pardon"
Because tbhull doesn't realize that the commutation of Libby's pardon BURNT TO THE GROUND Bushco's credibility within the Justice Department, freeing 100,000 DoJ employees to do whatever they can to stop Bushco.
"Paul knows how rto protest on a street,"
You are damn skippy.
"Cowards never lead and leaders are never cowards."
Describing yourself and your own failures has nothing to do with me. 'Cowardice' is wanting to run an impeachment without a GUARANTEED result, just because you need to label your eventual further disaffiliation with the further collapse of democracy.
No thanks. INDICTMENTS are criminal process, and if we can break loose the DoJ from Bushco crony rule -- A TASK WE CAN SUCCEED AT, working together -- then we can have TEN special prosecutors working each aspect of Bushco's conspiracy, which btw is more than just George and Dick and SecState Chevron. Special prosecutors, unlike impeachment, can indict ten or twenty conspirators A DAY.
It's easy to see why the impeachment hysterics are rife all of a sudden. Bushco is paying some of them, because they LOVE the political theater of impeachment, AND FEAR INDICTMENTS with sit-up-in-bed-screaming terror.
tbhull, I'm not so concerned about your cowardly desperation, I'm concerned about your bad judgment. Do you come by it naturally, or is it the result of some sort of PAYMENT?
Alecia @ 85:
Well, he knew the secret handshake....
• The leaves turned in Aspen.
Reportedly, Gonzalez is standing by his testimony.
I'm beginning to wonder if this was done on purpose to try to give the Dems so many targets that it appears to some that they're just going after the administration on everything.
I don't know about anyone else but Gonzo's certainly reinforced my "confidence" in the AG's office.
They'll just hire Fawn Hall to stuff her bra again.
PERJURY, PERJURY AND MORE PERJURY. Nail the lying bastard.
No wonder Gonzo leaves a paper trail when he's not even paper trained.
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Paul in LA @ 101:
I of course meant Libby's sentence, which btw is not on the outing of spies, but simply obstruction of justice. He can, in other words, be put on trial for his MAIN crimes at any future date (there being no statute of limitations on TREASON).
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Alecia @ 85:
on Gonzalez' resume? How about, "Covered up Bush DUI record"
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