August 30, 2007 07:13 PM
Scarborough talks about the Hypocrisy of the GOP over Sex Scandals and a dash of Romney
This is a few days old, but Joe Scarborough talks about the hypocrisy that fills the Republican party that he feels will hang over their heads. He also says that the Democratic Party embraces their gay members and lets them be who they are while the GOP's values will not allow that to happen. You can blame the extreme Christian Right's power over the party for that.
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Joe: There is an element of sleaze that will hang over this party. We had the David Vitter scandal a couple of months ago. We've had two sex scandals this year have involved Republicans -- conservative, pro-family, pro-life Republicans.
He also talks about Romney's flip flopping stances and this only adds to that legacy.
Truth hurts.
baby jesus loves hypocrisy, but is not gay
Joe looks like he's beginning to show signs of severe Bush fatigue.
Welcome to the club Joe.
Scarborough looks like someone just stole his lunch money.......Like he didn't know this exists in the repug party.....shit... didn't he have a young lady found dead in his office or something like that?
Scarborough may wish to try telling this to his fellow conservative Pat Buchanan who does not believe that what Craig did was hypocritical.
Scarborough is the LAST person to be yelling about GOP hypocrisy, since his mistress was found dead under some very suspicious circumstances in his office.
baby jesus @ 2:
Followup question: Has baby jesus EVER BEEN gay?
This raises at least one interesting question: Who watered down Joe's Kool-Aid?
Joementum @ 8:
KO did.
Joementum @ 8:
...or more accurately, reality pissed in his Kool-Aid.
Do you think any of these Republicans might clue in now?? (My answer: Nope.)
Let's hope they see the damage done in 2008!!!!!!!!!!! I think they will.
A Guy like Scarborough is a convenient "escape hatch" for the GOP.
Having him express his discontent unfortunately takes the attack away from Democrats.
He's the moderate conservative the Pugs can all claim(at heart)to be:that they were simply "led astray" by the radical right.The truth is,the radical right IS the Republican Party and they should ALL be held accountable for their actions since 2001.
Still a Republican, Joe?
Don't drop the soap.
"I don't think anybody would blame Mitt Romney for what Larry Craig did in a bathroom in Minneapolis..."
For some reason, this part of the video just made up for the most hellish heatwave week of the last torment of August in Memphis. 14 people died, I think at last count. Happy end of August, it sukked.
For me it did, anyhow, so thanks.
The hypocrite thing is only part of it. Republicans like Craig have led to increasing intolerence of gays, so they are being rounded up in bathrooms while women can't ride subways or buses without some guy jerking off or groping. You can't let your kid go for a bike ride without fending off an anxiety attack. People like Craig put those cops in the bathrooms while ignoring all the lewd and lascivious behavior that keeps women and children in their homes out of fear of sexual assault. Craig made a sexual advance in a public place. No money changed hands, and no act was forthcoming. So when the hell are the cops going to start rounding up men who do the same to women?
Yep.
I'm glad he kept saying David Vitter.
But you know, the thing that bugs me is the pundits say that Democrats are immunized against this because they accept gay rights and gay marriage and stuff. This has very little to do with homosexuality (regardless of what Craig thinks). I know lots of gay people, but I don't know a single person who attempts to pick up strangers in public airport bathrooms. I know lots of gay people, but I don't know a single person over 25 - gay or straight - who tries to befriend and seduce high school students. David Vitter and Duke Cunningham might be hetero, but they're still sleazebags no matter how liberal you are. You have to be pretty open-minded to think that its an example of good judgement for a guy to cheat on his wife with a prostitute or have poker parties with prostitutes.
So, the point is, the GOP is the party of sexual deviants. It has nothing to do with gay vs. straight (except perhaps in their own little warped brains.)
By the way, I just saw this again, so because its Friday, I thought I'd share it with y'all too:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=SACE1tPEcbc
Okay, fine. What I don't get is what's up with the tearoom sex? I mean, okay, I understand the closet, especially for Repugs of a certain age. But really, how stupid are you? Two weeks at Penn State and I knew where a few of the tearooms were. I mean, everybody and I do mean everybody knows which rest rooms are for excrement and which ones are for sex.
Going to tearooms for sex, especially as a public figure, is just begging to be caught by the cops. A quiet guilty plea might make this go away if you own a small business or are a college student or something. But a U.S. Senator? How stupid is Craig, anyway?
lilorphant @ 16:
Dude, I'll swing any way I want, but I don't care who you are. Keep your hands and feet out of my stall while I'm using the bathroom. That's disorderly conduct. Sue me, I guess I'm narrow minded. If you want to have anonymous sexual relations with me, come up to me in the bar like everyone else.
mudshark @ 4:
Yeah, while the dead intern in his office lurks about Scarborough- and it's probably why he's not in Congress anymore, whether he admits it or not- Scarborough's been speakin' out against both the neo-cons and the hypocritical, power hungry Christian right since at least as far back as '05. His comments just don't always appear here at C&L.
Now I disagree with Scarborough on nearly every hot-button issue(accept balancin' the budget), but- livin' as I do in perpetually Republican W. Michigan, I'd prefer to be represented by Scarborough than my Rep. (Vern Ehlers) or my dad's (Peter Hoekstra). Not votin' fer him, just sayin'...
Youffraita @18-
How stupid is Craig, anyway?
Very, very, very.
the eagle soars.....
How long ago was it when adultery was illegal in many states? Now I don't know a state where it is illegal, although I think in Virginia it is, but very low on the crime rung. A misdemeanor I think. Many of these Running the Other Way Republicans might have been in trouble for their own pecadilloes if those laws were still around. And some Dems too. Let's see: Gingrich, Clinton, Giuliani, and on and on.
There's the new line to throw about Mitt Romney's flip-flopping:
"He's got a wider stance on this issue than Larry Craig in the men's room stall."
Joe's brain and heart must be exploding!
Sorry, dude.
Is there any water left to carry?
I guess Senator Craig should not have tried to let his "eagle" soar in that MN restroom!
Next time stick to "singing," Larry.
Man, I know there's supposedly more ratings there but Joe moving to mornings pissed me off. Abrams is about as boring as they come and Joe was a perfect polar opposite to Hannity and Colmes.
PS - Doosh!!!!
ronnyg @ 24:
HA! Very funny.
Youffraita @ 18:
Funny you should mention Penn State. When I was a naive freshman there, years ago, I was in a bathroom stall at the HUB. Someone reached under my note with something written on toilet paper. I just got up and walked out. Afterward, someone told me that this was a gay pick-up spot. This was in 1980.
I like Joe. I disagree with his conservative stance but he is pretty honest and openly expresses his contempt to republicans when it comes to undeniable hypocrisy and poor leadership.
I have always liked scarborough and I miss him after Keith on MSNBC these days. I think he's one of the rare straight shooters.
ronnyg @ 30:
We R... Penn State! Lot of fellow Nittany Lions on this board!
For what it's worth, I did my doctorate at PSU and maybe I was just your basic oblivious geek, but I had no clue there was anything like that going on in the bathrooms. I worked in a lab right across from the HUB!
We R!
I just gained a modicum of respect for that man.
Scarborough has slowly been coming around.
But, don't worry; I'm not holding my breath.
I agree with you and Old Billy. It's pretty creepy to have someone come on to you while you're in the bathroom, but guys do way more obnoxious things to women all the time to pick them up. My sister was horribly harrased on an airplane and no one even made him change seats. There is way too much crime in Minnenapolis to have cops sitting around a public bathroom all day waiting to arrest guys that rub their feet. Of all the public bathrooms I've ever used, I've never been approached. ever. If I was I'd tell the guy to fuck off and I'd leave. So this can't be that common a thing. How many man hours and resources are being used for this sort of witch hunt by the police? I'm just glad that a bigot was arrested because of bigoted law enforcement priorities.
Scarborough has his lucid moments.
Conservatives are generally more corrupt, simply because they're defending inequality and actively promote it. Their obsessions are power and money.
"You can blame the extreme Christian Right’s power over the party for that."
Count me a skeptic, at least on the national level. The Republicans know they can spout off all the morals and family values rhetoric they want and conservative Christians will believe them. They've positioned themselves with conservative voters and Catholic otherwise-Dems to maximize their power.
R's are no more or less moral than any other large group of people, including falling for the sin of hypocrisy.
scumboro can kiss my ass! let him call for vitter's seat!
they only want craig's seat because they know he'll be replaced by a repug.
Tom Delay is not going to like this Joe!! Delay will not agree. He said just the opposite last night on Tweety's show. In fact he called Tweety a liberal. :lol:
Joe is one of the few Republicans I like because he can be level-headed and doesn't drink the Kool-aid. Enough with your malicious "dead intern" posts. You're no better than the right-wingers like Sean Hannity that like to insinuate there was "foul play" surrounding Vince Foster's death and that the Clintons are "murderers." Joe resigned several months BEFORE Lori Klausutis died, was not even in the Florida area when she passed away, and the Miami Herald interviewed her family members last year and they said they did not believe her death was a result of foul play. I'm sure if she were "murdered," then they family would have used the media spotlight to get the case re-investigated. I know people get mad because the "corporate media" took no interest in this story, but when was the last time respectable left-wing media sources (The Nation, Mother Jones, Air America Radio) covered this? I'm sure if there were actually a story, they would've covered it.
I think there is probably no quality more human than making poor judgments about sex. Family values republicans seem to be superhumanly stupid about it. Then they predictably compound the error with hypocrisy.
funny how sex scandels are bringing down the party. Lying about wmd's, invading a country for oil, selling out american jobs to china, trying to sell the ports to saudi's, vp shoots another old dude in the face while drinking, outing a cia operative, lying under oath, katrina, record debt, etc, etc, etc,... but a few pervs ruin the party? wtf?
Lighten up. He was asked questions about hypocrisy. That's what that segment was about and his interviewer wanted him to speak about sex scandals. You can't expect every media clip all the time to include every issue you want spoken about.
When a Conservative commentator goes after Republicans, I think we should be pleased and encourage him to continue, not moan about how he's a "safety hatch" or complain that he didn't parrot some posters opinion or just call him "scum".
From gay bashing legislation to lie based wars for big oil and their corporate masters in the war profiteering industry these reich wing Republicans have created hell on earth for a lot of people. Karma is now bringing those chickens home to roost. May these reich wingers burn in the hell they have tried to create for so many others.
Joe is right on.
Oh, come on!...Surely you're not holding up Scarboro as a truthsayer...especially when it comes to the subject of hypocrisy. Let's see...just 3 or so weeks ago he admonished Ana Marie Cox for being such a HUGE hypocrite when it came to the subject of Imus....then, doesn't he have her co-host this past week. Methinks he's all jiggy with hypocrisy.
Really, please just stop quoting or relying on a Republican pundit to bolster your point on Republican hypocrisy. It's redundant, isn't it?
And, gawd, of all people, never ever turn to Scarboro.
Allison @ 41:
You're quite incorrect.
Scaroboro, in May of 2001, announced his intention to resign come September. Lori "the dead intern" died IN his Florida congressional office in late July, and was found by constituents attending the office for a meeting with Scarboro (as was reported and never refuted).
Perhaps you should do a little reading on the subject. You'll find there was actually quite a bit of reporting on the incident, and quite a lot of stonewalling.
Joe's a lot better than he was 4 years ago but there's still a ways to go
Always nice to remind his Republican friends about the dead intern in his office. No sex scandal here; move along.
Don't ever forget that Scarborough is a republican. If there ever is a glimmer of sunshine again for them, he'll be jumping up and down screaming, 'I'm a republican!' He has the republican hypocrite disease. Cannot stand the man.
Allison @ 41:
Ageeed. It's time that the real media and the honest Americans stop playing the Fox game just to get even. It brings us down to their level, rock bottom. I'm not a huge Scarborough fan but to put him in the same class with Hannity is just plain wrong.
On Lionel yesterday, the talk was centered around Craig and sex in public bathrooms. A long haul trucker called the Interstate Rest Area's, "Pickle Parks!"
But for all the talk about Republican troubles, it doesn't matter. Though 4 more years is a dreadful prospect, the Repugs will win the 2008 Presidency if Dems allow either Hilary or Obama to win. America is not ready for either a black or female President; whoever wins the Repug candidacy in opposition will win the Presidency by default. Dems should be kicking and screaming until their demands are met that other candidates like Roberts, Biden, Dodd, or Kucich, (or whoever) are equally covered in the media.
At least Joe is willing to admit some of the disgusting truths about the Republican party. Which is a lot more than pervs like Bill O'Falafel will ever do.
Hopefully, American voters will will come to the collective realization that politicians are humans and humans are not perfect. Campaigning on morality was a deliberate strategy of the conservative right during the campaign following Bill Clinton's escapades. And what a brilliant strategy it was. It diverts media and public attention away from substantive public policy issues that might be difficult and costly to address. And all you have to do is "talk" about morality. It's cheap and easy. Problem arises when conservative voters expect their politicians to "walk" the talk, which leads inevitably to hypocrisy when voters figure out that conservative candidates are also humans.
So what have we learned. Forevermore and henceforth be skeptical of any candidate who hangs their poltical hat on morality and family values. Morality and family values have a place in American life and should be encouraged in dignified and respectful and private ways. These are things we should be discussing in our chuches, synegogues, etc. Taking political campaigns into the zones of privacy is dangerous. See link for more detailed analysis of "toiletgate" and its political implications.
Hype-Jersey @ 33:
woops. the comment i left in 57 makes it look like youffraita spent time in rec hall. sorry bout that
Good Morning Joe! It's nice to see you wide awake...
Scar will have to make up for this one...which he does very well.
No more republican gay scandals this year. Three , no longer active,
dead gay republicans found in the same house in Florida. How convenient
is that. That gay client list will never be found unless Larry Flynt comes through big time.
ParadiseDiva @ 48:
No, I think you need to do some more careful reading of this subject yourself. The couple was supposed to meet with KLAUSUTIS, not Scarborough.
From The Northwest Daily News 8/29/01:
"The body, which had apparently lain on the floor all night, was discovered about 8:30 a.m. by a couple arriving to discuss a work permit issue with Klausutis. The popular young aide's death was ruled accidental."
There is no mention in any of the Florida newspaper articles about Joe having an appointment with the couple.
He resigned in May so he would be out of office when his kids started school and because one of the sons had health problems:
"SCARBOROUGH SAYS THERE HAVE BEEN RUMORS THAT THE BOYS HAVE CANCER OR THAT THEY ARE JUVENILE DELINQUENTS, BUT THAT IS NOT TRUE. HE DID CONFIRM THAT ONE OF HIS SONS WAS DIAGNOSED A YEAR AGO WITH DIABETES. HE SAYS IF HE HAD A CRYSTAL BALL HE PROBABLY WOULDN'T HAVE RUN IN NOVEMBER. SCARBOROUGH SAYS THE DECISION HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH FRUSTRATIONS ABOUT OFFSHORE DRILLING OR ANY ISSUES ON CAPITOL HILL. Rep. Joe Scarborough/(R) U.S. Congressman; "It had nothing to do with being upset with George Bush the speaker or anyone else." SCARBOROUGH SAYS HE DOESN'T EXPECT TO MAKE A FINAL DECISION ABOUT HIS FUTURE PLANS FOR A FEW MONTHS. HE JUST KNOWS THAT WHEN HE BOYS START SCHOOL NEXT YEAR HE'LL BE HOME. SCARBOROUGH IS DIVORCED. HE SAYS HE HAS JOINT CUSTODY, BUT EXPECTS THE 13 YEAR OLD WILL BE SPENDING A LOT OF TIME WITH HIM. THE CONGRESSMAN WAS ASKED IF HE HAS ANY WEDDING PLANS. HE ANSWERED ..NOT YET." WEAR TV, May 25, 2001"
Please point to any articles in The Nation, Mother Jones, or American Prospect (all much respectable than blogs) that covered this story or name any Air American host that covered this story.
Sounds good, but he's still a Republican to his last breath.
Sounds good, but he’s still a Republican to his last breath.
No, you're right. I don't agree with his politics, but I still think he has a right to be innocent until proven guilty. (Just like the Clintons.)
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