Rep. Gingrey gets an earful
Republican Rep. Phil Gingrey (GA-11) is obviously not used to other Republicans not toeing the party line around him. He appeared on C-Span's Washington Journal this morning and got a big dose of reality from a self-described life-long Republican.
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We have a complete catastrophe as a Republican [sic] today. I will give you the vision of the future next year: about 8 to 11 senators will be voted as Democrats that are now Republicans. There will be about 30 Republican congressmen that are now Republicans that will also become Democrats. And the next president will be a Democrat. My entire Republican party is being destroyed because of this catastrophe that's happened in Iraq and all these wonderful young soldiers - 27,000 wounded and disabled soldiers, 12 - 15 million [thousand?] with severe mental problems, almost 4,000 dead. That's 50,000 young men that...lives have been either partially destroyed or are dead today and we have accomplished absolutely nothing. It is very sad and very pathetic and you can put lipstick on this pig any way you want to, but in the final analysis, we have accomplished absolutely nothing and it is very sad to see my party destroyed over this issue.
And Rep. Gingrey's weenie response?
You say you're a Republican, but what primary did you vote in last time in Ohio? That would be kind of interesting to know.
He just doesn't want to face the fact that not all "R"s are clones for the surge.
Weenie
Nuremberg trials. The Principle of Universality. Article 6. Now.
This poor guy thinks the Iraq War is a waste and the Republican Party a disgrace, now. Wait 'til he reads this:
www.asecondlookatthesaudis.com
Iraq is only half the story of the Bush administration's failure in the War on Terror, and it may not even be the worst half.
WTF? What kind of a response is that?
What Phil Gingrey is saying is that he believes all dog and pony shows.
"27,000 wounded and disabled soldiers, 12 - 15 million [thousand?] with severe mental problems, almost 4,000 dead. "
What? You mean the tens of thousands of dead and wounded and maimed IRAQIS DON'T COUNT? I guess Republicans only see Americans as being human beings (and only white Xtian ones at that), and everybody else in the world is sort of an inferior species or something. No wonder they are so goddamn arrogant. Somebody should bitch-slap this idiot.
I just love how it doesn't matter what the reality is at all to these people. I feel like I'm in hell. This war cannot and will not be won, EVER. And no I don't want us to fail, I never thought it was a good idea or a truthful one to ever go into Iraq in the first place. I swear that if by some fluke or stolen election that a Repug is elected president in 2008 and they do the same thing with Iran (only it'll be much much worse) I'm just going to give up, move, or go completely insane. Rant off...
Dennis K! for president (I know it's a long shot but it's then only hope i have for the future.)
Weenie boy Gingrey and the majority of the Republican party obviously just don't understand the comments made by the self-described life-long Republican. And that's what has gone wrong with the Republican party and how they have lost touch with the voting base in the U.S. and the vision of the majority of the people in the world.
8-11 new Senators and 30 new house seats... I like this prediction forecast very much...
no price is too great for 'merica to accomplish the goal of dominating the oil supply of the planet earth - the numbers quoted by the caller are just the tip of the iceberg - the carnage awaiting will make the numbers of dead we see now look like a tea party - go get 'em 'merica freedom, justice and death for all
ron paul tried to tell his fellow republicans last night that iraq will doom them in 2008 and beyond.
their response? THEY LAUGHED IN HIS FACE.
this guy is like all the others repubs in this state, GA, party no matter what. they are still relivin' the civil war.
Chris @ 5:
And, if ya didn't notice, check out the last still shot that runs before the clip ends! There's yer proof!
Gingrey looks young for 65 years old.
lipstick on the pig . . . i like that-- would probably look like cheney when he's steamed
Sorry buddy, your fifteen seconds of boob-dum is done. Anybody got a fork? Love the photo ops by the way, nice touch!
This is the natural progression of the "with us or against us" attitude. They just keep painting themselves into a tighter and tighter corner, and there's nowhere to go but down.
We've come a long way from "if you disagree, you're un-American", haven't we? It's now, "if you disagree, you're not a real Republican". The marginalizers are becoming the marginalized.
Why does Gingrey assume the guy isn't really a Repub? Because he actually knows some facts?
Andy K @ 13:
Good catch. That cracks me up.
"you can put lipstick on this pig anyway you want to" I love it! This is the best comment on the war I've heard in a long time. I just hope more and more and more people get angry and maybe things will change. However, Bush still has his finger on the button and no one is safe.
That's very disrespectful to the caller that it must have been some opinion poll that called him up and gave him that opinion over the phone.
Bullshit. I can't even remember what they were saying this time last year, oh yea, when they stand up, we'll stand down. One year later, they have completely collapsed, and these guys still identify this as suckcess.
wow, a "simulated hostage rescue." I used to do that with my GI Joes too. And you can bet that mine were "pretty impressive."
These liars use military families to shamelessly defend the indefensible. I would invite him to meet with Military Families Speak Out so he can get an earful. These are the anguished mothers and fathers who are about to embrace their children for the last time as they deploy to Iraq much as I said goodbye for the last time to my beloved son in March 06 for his second deployment. These are the parents who have not been deceived about how their children were betrayed.
Yeah...he's sorry alright.....what a sorry sack of shit!...I wonder how much he spends on hair dye?...egotistical narcissistic....mofo.
This happens whenever a conservative or Republican caller with half a brain calls in to C-Span. The wingnut guest accuses them of not really being Republican, just a Democrat scamming the phone screeners.
I heard and saw this exchange when it was live. The caller was way more eloquent than Gingrey could ever hope to be.
He got owned, very nicely said. It's not too late to save the party, there still needs to be a viable opposition even if the democrats take it all in your next election. I think if the republican party absorbed the "freedom movement" into it, they would have some fight in them. And by that I mean immediate withdrawl, impeachment and full investigations into 9/11. Hell, maybe you could even demand a paper ballot.
//Abraham Lincoln was a Republican too.
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Gingrey: "We can and will win this this."
Win what? Seriously, what constitutes "victory" for him? An Iraqi government that is self-sufficient and can defend itself without outside assistance? Exactly how long does he plan on us being there???
Mindfire13 @ 7:
*applauds!*
The look on Gingrey's face was priceless this morning. Since Imus got fired, I watch C-Span (or I listen to it) that guy was from Ohio and he was pissed. See Gingrey is out of his element on C-Span because he can't control who delivers the message to him. He actually got a lot of calls along this line this am and I hope he now realizes that Americans are not stupid. The people of his district--well, that's another story. I'll be charitable about them, they are very limited.
Mugsy @ 27:
I'm so sick of hearing we can win this stuff..
Explain how you can defeat a "tactic" and ensure without any doubt that there is no one in the world that hates us. "His" war will never end.
What a dickhead. One wonders how many of these assholes will be left if they're going to act like that to members of their own party. The neo-con chicken-hawks have a siege mentality now that is not going to serve them well in the next election...
I love it if "" you don't agree with us you must not really be a Republican. That should drive people out of the party pretty quick. Who will be left? Sad part is how many stupid people that used to agree with the war will now be calling themselves Dems?
Where the fuck do these Republicans find these mannequin assholes?
What did the Elephants do in the 70's grow these butt-wipes ala Boys From Brazil?
The Iraq War is lost, our country is on the brink of economic chaos, American society is depraved/ obscene/ murderous and most troubling ignorant both literally and figuratively.
As a true American I can't wait until this country implodes and we all here can start over again.
Without them!
And Rep. Gingrey’s weenie response?
You say you’re a Republican, but what primary did you vote in last time in Ohio? That would be kind of interesting to know.
What a gasbag. He tried to throw the caller off track because that caller was telling the truth, and Gingrey may well be one of the ReThugs replaced by a Democrat he's talking about.
I love it. Can you imagine what it's like to be a Republican these days? One by one, their leaders are revealed to be either depraved sexual perverts or criminals, and when one of their own points out the problems, their dishonored leadership calls them bad Republicans.
Every Republican watching that show who agreed with the caller (and I expect it's no small minority), was directly insulted. They're pissed at their sleazy leadership, and their sleazy leadership responds by demanding more loyalty, greater obedience.
They must be feeling about the way I've felt for the last six years. I think the GOP is going to lose very big next year.
That's right Gingrey, personally attack one of your own because he doesn't kneel at the alter of Bush and his war. Maybe he will vote Democratic in the next election along with hopefully hundreds of thousands of other former Republicans to make his prediction of another 30 Democratic pick-ups come to pass. Hopefully your seat will be one of those pick ups you arrogant prick.
Retired Navy @ 8:
Assholes like this Gingrey would gladly dig up old Abe and shoot him in the back of the head again. "Fuck the Party" is their 08' motto, and I believe their undoing as well. People are not as blind as Bush believes, nor as Republican as many Republicans believe. That miscalculation will likely doom the party, at least for a while.
lowly grunt @ 4:
Seriously... it has dick-all to do with shit. Does Gingrey think the lightswitch in his bedroom controls the price of tea in China or something?
i wish i knew more repubs like that guys
he's awesome
-s
john bourne harbour @ 15:
A pig with lipstick on is till a pig.
I heard (watched) Lyndsey Graham give the same talking points on his photo-op in Iraq.
Caller despite what you said & the truth of it, everything is fine & dandy. That is all.
There is only one way to describe Gingrey and his fellow repugs that think as he does - "complete douche-bag"....piece of shit....ass hole....okay, there's a lot of words, and I better stop now....
Typically pathetic response because the truth kicked him right in the balls.
Wait a minute chucklehead you CAN be patriotic and be against the war. Our soliders serving in Iraq and Afghanistan can be against the war and still be (and remain) patriotic ...
But in your own way you've just demostarted why they would not say they are against the war to you, chucklehead, because if they were that straight with you, you would at best, question their patriotism, and at worst call them unpatriotic.
I wonder where you get the balls to call those serving in harms way unpatriotic or even to question their patriotism. But on CSPAN you spelled it out that you would (and do)
So when and where did you serve chucklehead?
The man has no neck.
Kucinich/Paul Mixed Ticket
Spread the word!
WTF? What kind of a response is that?
It's a TROLL'S RESPONSE!!
Wow.
this guy is smoking from the same pipe as all the rethuglicans. I think he just helped turn someone back from the darkside in Ohio.
Win this? Win what?
With resposnes like that, coupled with the absence of spine from the other group (ie Repubbicans that call themselves Democrats) there could be a swag of third party or truly independent candidates that could get elected Nov 2008.
Clocks a ticking.....
rahm_emanuel_is_a_tool @ 19:
Which one's the dog? LoL.
I think that the good Congressman has koolaid in his cup.
Daricus @ 26:
Well, he was really a off shoot of the Whig party.
It's funny how Republicans always make the arguments for democrats better than Democrats do. That's sad.
what...a...fucking...tool. People like him are why there is an "ex-" in front of my user name
It's unfortunate and slightly jarring for Gringrey to reply to the caller with a partisan loyalty test. He had listened respectfully to the caller, had not interrupted, and never raised his voice in response. Really, how rare is that?
In short, he was being a creditable guest before he opened his mouth.
Chris @ 6:
Will he be mounting the ponies and stroking the dogs...or vice versa?
Oh, that Gingrey. He's a peach.
Really, he's a Georgia peach. He has said so.
Still working on those Ten Commandments, Phil?
His entire response seems to have been "I saw a simulated hostage rescue and it was very impressive... I don't believe polls... the soldiers are very patriotic.... therefore, the Iraq war is a good thing."
Hey, if they're really that out of touch congressional Republicans are with how angry, say, 70% of the population is, great. They'll self-immolate even worse than in the last election. Of course, that didn't help much since the entire non-wingnut congress appears to be completely sans-spine, but maybe another 10 or 20% will help them grow one.
I have nothing against the concept of conservatism. I disagree with it, but I consider it a valid perspective. A functional Republican party (along with a couple of others, preferably) are valuable to create the friction that keeps government from getting carried away with itself.
Problem is that the current "Conservative" party in this country isn't--it's more like the "Authoritarian, bigoted, bloodthirsty whackjob" party. I just hope that there are enough people who label themselves "Republican" who, like the one on the phone, will realize how utterly insane their "party" has gotten and maybe rebuild it into something that's not borderline evil.
so in review:
Gingrey: "First; I question your integrity. Second; since your larger, long-term perspective doesn't jibe with my anecdotal homilies which technically have no bearing on patriotism, (but I'm asserting a parallel anyway) then obviously you're a lying traitor. Third, I'd be crazy to answer your question truthfully."
Gingrey has Kool Aid stains on his shirt
Pazuzus Petals @ 56:
I was struck by this as well, and it's to Gingrey's credit. Once he did open his mealy-mouthed claptrap though -- well I hope C-Span has a good fumigative team on tap, even if they do have to pay for cleanups like that themselves.
Great clip!
I work as a personal trainer, and the club I work at is demanding that we don't do health questionnaire to access if the client is cleared for personal training. The club lawyer inform them that the less you know about the client, less liable you are for if anything goes wrong. I refuse to work that way because I am a good trainer, I want to know what I am working with to insure client good health.
This F**k of a Republican refuse to be inform is why he never heard any of these fact that the caller reported, and still cling to the Rove talking points as word on tablets from the almighty. This Republican doesn't want to be liable for if anything goes wrong in Iraq. He pass the blame on faulty intelligence or connection to information.
You could almost see the words fail to register . . .
Gingery is another one of these wing-nut! Where do they come from? There are more of these mollusks in DC than there are slugs in my garden! Where are the rocks from which these slimes ooze?
kerplunk @ 15:
It's the hair dye.
The caller was CLEARLY saddened and upset at the downfall of HIS party -- he said it over and over again, "My Party." Yet this thug just covers his ears and shouts "Nah nah nah I can't hear you I can't hear you!....."
And, yeah, the guy very well may have abandoned the Republican Party at this point -- why do ya think that might be, Gingrey? Hmmmm? It apparently just doesn't occur to them that people are LEAVING the party, and for good reason -- which was precisely the caller's point.
(It's a lot like the talking points about how Joe Wilson supported John Kerry -- COMPLETELY confusing cause and effect. That Wilson must be making up a bunch of lies, just cause he loves John Kerry so much. Couldn't POSSIBLY be because Bush and Co. deliberately outed his wife's covert status thus destroying her career and possibly placing her life in danger, could it? Nahhh... I know that wouldn't make ME switch parties...)
Rp is our man.
Looks as if Gingrey's aesthetician was an embalming school drop-out.
In March 2005 Gingrey was one of several Members of the United States Congress who are also physicians who offered medical opinions about the medical condition of Terri Schiavo.
Gingrey is quoted as stating that, "The tragedy of the situation is that with proper treatment, now denied, Terri's condition can improve." Failure to perform a physical examination of the patient before rendering a diagnosis is a departure from good medical practice. What he could have meant by "proper treatment" is unknown. Schiavo's subsequent autopsy revealed — as her own physicians revealed — such massive brain injury that no treatment would have been effective. Sciavo Autopsy Shows Massive Brain Injury
In his June 15, 2004, e-mail newsletter to constituents, Gingrey wrote that the Guantanamo Bay Naval Base was a "model detention facility," that "hard-working, honorable American troops at Gitmo are doing everything possible to treat enemy combatants in a manner consistent with the principles of the Geneva Convention" and that the U.S. "should work to make the prisons in Iraq more like Gitmo."
The newsletter was sent to constituents on the same day that the officer recently relieved of command at Abu Ghraib prison, Brigadier Gen. Janis Karpinski gave an interview, heard on BBC Radio 4, in which she alleged that the officer in charge of the Guantanamo Bay Naval Base Prison, Major Gen. Geoffrey Miller, was in fact responsible for ordering policy changes that led to torture shown in published photographs (See also: Abu Ghraib prisoner abuse). Gingrey's explicit approval of conditions at Gitmo conflicts with his ethical obligations as a physician. Patient confidentiality is disregarded by interrogators at Guantanamo Bay, who violate that norm by using confidential medical information to discover the physical and psychological weaknesses of detainees.
what a K-nob
For Gingrey, " i question your party affilliate because you sound disgruntled and you seem to have the liberal surrender attitude. If you would have sheepishly cherrleaded with your call then you would be a good republican".
This is how they treat their republican base? And the base keeps voting for the abuse. They need to be your Daddy leader not your Representative in a representative government.
This country is in deep trouble with the likes of Gingrey et al. I am very surprised that Gingrey did not attack the mans patriotism. It is a sign that the Republican tactics are changing but not their agenda.........
Kudos to that very brave and well-informed caller, and shame on that tragic GOP cheerleader. The same talking points repeated over and over with precious little effect this time.
And C&L REALLY needs to post that crucial Ron Paul clip that was provided by one of the readers (orginally posted in the comments section of one of the GOP Debate threads). Sure, Rudy rolled his eyes and Chris Wallace dusted off his Clinton-interview-smugness-and audible laughing was heard; but pay crucial attention to when Paul said that he takes marching orders from the Constitution. The applause was THUNDEROUS.
The same people heard cheering and applauding at Paul's courage are the same people who WON'T be voting Republican next year.
From a purely schadenfreude standpoint, it's going to be pure bliss watching the GOP Titanic crash and sink next year. From a human standpoint, how the hell are we gonna get our kids home?
I don't know the answer to that, and it doesn't appear that the caller in the above clip did either, but the tide is turning, which is all we can hope for right now..I guess.
I know it probably doesn't mean much to most of the readers here, particularly ones of the "Yes, but..." variety. And especially in the face of the imminent back-slapping and bloody-hell-cheerleading that the media is going to roll out for Petreus next week.
But callers like that let me rest easy with the knowledge that there really ARE some grown men and women out there who don't appreciate being talked down to like little children by the increasingly worthless GOP. And this is a guy who probably doesn't read Crooks and Liars. It's easy for us to come on here and bitch; we're all choirboys and girls singing on-key and in perfect pitch.
My biggest concern was always the 60 million+ who voted to re-elect that war criminal, and who spent the subsequent three years repeating his meaningless talking points. Callers like that go beyond the grain of desperately political empty talk by "defecting" GOP Senators, or even the wonderful Olbermann commentaries that C&L does a great job in keeping us informed of.
To me, victory comes when the Fox News junkies on the other side of the political fence wake up and wise up and stop Bush from holding them underwater with his pseudo-shit-kicking heels. It's callers like that that give me hope. And I can only hope those eloquent (and deadly precise) comments ring true for the rest of you.
Sure, Bush will pat Petreus on the back and nay-say all the "anti-American" dissenters and do his best to keep Americans nice and scared of the deadly terrorists while at the same time hyping an Iran battle plan. I, for one, am not worried.
Like Stevie Nicks always said, if you walk down the street naked enough times, eventually a time will come when the people passing by you stop looking....
Republicans: You will lose in 08
Democrats: You will win in 08
Americans: You will lose in 08
First, he accuses the caller of being a liar. I wonder if he would have done that to his face. Second, he won't admit that the republicans are losing some of their base even though they should have figured this out in 06, so he is the liar.
He is so stupid that he refuses to see the handwriting on the wall even though the caller was reading it to him. Well, the republicans may have something in common with that most noble of birds the Dodo - both too stupid to properly adapt to their environment so they became extinct.
please keep gingrey in congress...the man has an md and should never be allowed to practice again
in regards walter reed the man said:
"It’s not a five-star hotel, make no mistake about it, but it’s not a flophouse. It’s not a dump. It’s not a dive. It needs some work, no question about it. I’m not making excuses, of course." He went on to state, "I was glad to know that those cockroaches were belly up. It suggested to me that at least someone was spraying for them"
gingrey is indeed 65
and guess what....he didnt serve in nam
another fucking chickenhawk perv
proof that gingrey is a perv
pics of him with his porn 'stache
http://www.visi.com/juan/congress/pictures/GA11.jpg
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/images/congress/july-dec04/1124_intel_gingre...
dont allow this man around any children
He didn't tell us his phone number, but he said HE'S WAITING for people to call to express their opinions. Got a quarter?
In 2008 I am going to take great pleasure in watching the whole neocon movement, from the "preznit" right down to every blog Troll, wither and die like a bunch of exterminated cockroaches.
But fear not Neocons! While you and your party will be rendered impotent and irrelevant, you can still serve your "Preznit" by signing up with the Army or Marines and sacrificing your life in Iraq to foster his glorious legacy.
Oh wait, sorry. I forgot, hypocritical pussies like you talk tough but always let someone else do the fighting. Guess you'll just have to sit home and suck on it.
This bastard is one of the reasons I left Georgia, or I would have simply committed a crime in that State.
He turned completely red when that fellow told him he was in fact a republican and he started foaming at the mouth and did the same thing as Shaun Hannity did the other evening when Rue Paul went off on a truth tantrum on Fox News Debate. He claimed the Fox polls were rigged because the people put Rue Paul first over all of the right wing liars, lining up to be president of this country. It clearly shows not even the republicans are going to put any of these nasty foul jerks in that office. They cannot tell the truth no matter what and they can't stomach the truth, not even from their own.
This clown , Johnnie Isackson, Tom Price and all the rest of the red neck freaks in the State of Georgia will not make any kind of move in the right direction for this country. That is why C-Span promotes these animals along with the blue dog and DLC, Democrats is all we are going to get. Everlasting lying, cheating stealing and using media to mislead those who do not own computers, which is few at this time.
Every other week they will do something decent like having Ed Shutlz and Thom Hartman of Air America, who just blew the republican media jerks away.
We need to take a good look into the the corporate dealings of all of these clowns,when we get Bush nasty ass out of the white house.
This is all about money folks and these bastards are making plenty of it off our kids.
typical repube responce, attack the messanger and nevr address the issue. so lame and so old.
Gingreys response translates as: You obviously are sensitive to the fact that we are wasting blood and treasure in exchange for money and oil futures, of which you will get nothing. If you have a problem with that, vote democratic.
Got the message.
his response to the republican caller was two fold: i'd be interested in knowing which primary you voted in last implying that this was actually a dem or liberal masquerading as a republican so that he could get his points across, as though his allegiance to either party would discount what he had to say. Gingrey needed to respond to what he was saying not discounting what he had to say on the basis of party affiliation. the second part of the statement by gingrey was spent primarily in trying to "put lipstick on that pig." in essence he had nothing.
Why aren't the american people en masse outraged over this false war. look what we have done to a country that basically had done nothing to us. we perpetrated a war on false premises, we stripped iraq of its ability to sustain itself, we have killed a hundred thousand iraqui civilians, we have sacrificed over 3000 american soldiers' lives, we have allowed this administration to mortgage our children's financial well being to china, we have given away our standing as a moral leader of the free world, we have spied on our own, we have detained without trial our own, we have accepted sexual scandals, many of them against children, at the highest levels of government, all of this and we as a people are not outraged. Why?????
Of course, all of you heard the good Doctor call the gentleman from Ohio unpatriotic.
Disgusting.
I know this guy. I once had a conversation telling him that he should be ashamed of himself for voting to maintain the confederate emblem on the Georgia State Flag when he was a Georgia State Senator, He said that he had been hearing from both sides.I responded that faced with a choice, he decided to honor Jim Crow instead of a brighter future and I wanted to know how he could look at himself in the mirror.
I ask the good Doctor the same question today.
#79---Uncle Joe
Of course, you know that this guy is an OB/GYN.
Iraq is not the only stain on the Republicans. Everyone needs to know about the damage they have done to the country. The damage they have done cannot be fixed in the next four years. Damage to the Justice Department, FEMA, The EPA, the Veterans Administration, Social Security,Department of State and all other Federal Agencies. Look at the number of openings in numerous agencies that are not being filled. This is intentional to cripple the government and privatize everything. Find out about the change in hiring practices at DOJ. Find out about the good people who have left government because of these criminals. It is a lie to say is only about Iraq. If people wake up they will realize that the Republicans are a plague on the country.
Chris @ 6:
He is the dog and pony show.
Chris from Maine @ 12:
Yes, and they're going to regret not listening to him.
Google his name and then read his bio. Gingrey's a celebrated war hero,takes up most of his bio. This clown knows what he's talking about when it comes to fighting a war!
How many innocent civilians died? I'm sorry to say, but those soldiers were soldiers by choice. No one asked the the folks in Afghanistan and Iraq, though. And the little fact that the war is completely illegal according to international law (who cares about international, right?) also makes the American losses completely irrelevant. The civilians are the ones who should be mourned for. Not the army of an aggressor.
After seeing that Colbert clip, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised to see Gingrey doing the tapdance in an airport restroom.
What a waste of molecules.
moondancer @ 84:
Heh. Well put.
Does a bigger Tool exist in the world? Doubtful.
Why would you care about a politician that can't even be honest about his hair.
no one likes phil gingry because he is a big fat liar.
(more from the same cspan appearance)
What a total hypocrite! This Phil Gingrey asshole is indicative of the WILLFUL IGNORANCE that saturates the GOP. How any of my fellow Americans can cast a vote for such an OBVIOUS SNAKE OIL SALESMAN is beyond me... but then again, how any of my fellow Americans can leave their kids in a hot car to die is also beyond me... it looks like we are about as IMPERFECT a society as you can get at this point in time.
Don't we get pheremones for colognes (Imma poet and didn't know it) from porcine extracts?
I love the response questioning what primary he voted in. OMG...How can you be a Republican if you don't agree with us? Gingrey might not want to hear it, but deep down you know he has to know how true that is about the demise of his party's dominance. Ignoring it won't make it go away.
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My only question is: How do these people sleep at night? Assuming that they do.
Ok you ball-less nut jobs, don't write crap here CALL HIS FREAKING OFFICE. A thousand phone calls tends to irrate these bastards!!
You mean you want the reichwing to be irate bastards?
" Yeah, let's given them another 6 years opportunity, and we'll win this". (As long as I don't have to do the fighting)
Fucking asshole! Hemakes it sound so natural, easy and logic! Geeeez! ^&%$$#@!
Right - we can win this, but not with this miserable administration in charge of anything, except maybe restroom monitors. Oh, wait... Maybe that's not such a good idea either.
So who is getting incredibly rich on this war? Halliburton? Blackwater? Any links there to Bush, Cheney, and the rest of the repugnicans? Why did Halliburton move to Dubai? Will the government of Dubai force Halliburton to comply with investigations into corruption, if we ever have investigations? Will Halliburton funnel big $$$ into Dubai bank accounts for W and Dick and their pals? Will W and Dick move to Dubai after they gracefully leave office?
Too many questions. Better to just join the repugnican party and turn off your brains.
I knew that Bush was in total denial over the war. But, the fact that some of these congresspeople are really amazes me. Gingrey's mindset must be that it is impossible for a Republican to be opposed to the war. If there are a lot like him, then the caller's predictions may be a best case scenario. The GOP is going to be devastated and I don't see that as necessarily a good thing.
Rep. Phil Gingrey...
You're livin' in your own private Idaho!
how can he question the caller's Republicanism when he is so far from Republican? Don't they believe in small government? Staying out of other country's business? Keep it up Gingrey you are sure to hand us a Democratic Victory in 08!
Idaho!
Get outta that state you're in!
Get outta that state!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFyBH-z6c1w
Well Gingrey I now live in Georgia and you sir are not listening to what a lot of your constinuents are saying. I was very surprised at how many of my republican neighbors are now re-thinking this war. I'm a transplanted Ca liberal and have found common ground on this issue.
hope @ 19:
He is doing the "French Argument" again. There is nothing wrong with the REAL Republicans -- you have a problem because you are a toe-sucking Liberal.
As others have stated -- they are painting themselves into a corner. I think the Watershed moment was at the Republican debate with Ron Paul winning the Straw Poll, and Sean Hannity doing nothing but dismissing them.
The "kick ass" crowd, is feeling the humiliation of Losing in Iraq. Their leaders, can't really admit that there was nothing they were trying to win -- that was done the first few weeks. It was all about controlling oil (which works when you trade oil for weapons in a drawn out civil war much better than trying to control the ground) -- and it was about war profiteering, and it was about keeping Iraq off of the Euro for trading. Now some Republicans might have understood that, but not admitted it -- they are happy as long as their white picket fence stays painted.
But a lot of Americans are nervous about the economy -- the chickens are coming home to roost, and this is about to hit their "Conscience" (known to Progressives and Liberals as the wallet).
>> I can't enjoy too much Shadenfraude with this angry Republican. The reason WHY these people will soon be our allies kind of sucks. These are still flawed; "I've got mine, now screw you" Americans who still don't understand the Common Good as anything more than helping people who they don't like. But people like this -- the Archie Bunker reborn, may never change. We may have to get back into the schools and educate people again about how a Democracy and the Commons works. Still, we have to bite our tongues and welcome these angry Republicans.
The coming wave of allies is going to make me nervous. Some will be upset that Fox dismisses Ron Paul, some will be upset that the Republicans aren't racist enough. Some will merely be on our side because they will have to pay the bill for Iraq, because China won't keep buying dollars if the interest rates go down. I am not a person that thinks the enemy of my enemy is my friend and I don't believe in working in the shadows.
But these Republicans aren't evil and we will have to embrace them. They just aren't GOOD people in my book -- merely self-satisfied and greedy. But we'd lose half of America if we wanted to reject everyone who fits that description.
clueless...fucking clueless.
It is always nice to hear punks like this one imply that only the unpatriotic are against the war (3.43)
This is the old Leninist tactic of making every fact and every opinion a question of motive. Writ large, you have the modern GOP's policy of politicizing absolutely everything -- and dictating what their voters what to think from the top down, as opposed to listening to their voters.
Thing is, it has worked for a long time. And it will probably continue to work for Representative Gingrey.
My personal experience out here in Colorado -- in Tom Tancredo's congressional district, and in dealing with Senator Allard's office --is that unless you agree with the GOP party line, the GOP senators and congressmen WON'T EVEN ACKNOWLEDGE YOU, even though you are a constituent. Their staff will actually mock you and repeat the party talking points if you phone in with an opinion they don't like. They will not respond to letters unless they agree with your position.
As a former staffer on Capitol Hill, this is something new, and ugly, and it genuinely shocks me.
And I think it is revealing about the mindset and tactics of the GOP. Party membership trumps citizenship. And within the party, you have to have the correct views to be counted. You need to be on the team, and vote for the right GOP candidate and contribute money as a loyal party member. And if you don't do these things, you are effectively disenfranchised. You have no voice, and you have no representation. They don't talk to you. In fact, they have contempt for you. You are the enemy.
And while treating their non-loyal constituents that way, the GOP congressmen hold their seats like a hostile occupation, guarded by their coterie of PACs and reliable blocks of voters.
-- Bokonon
lowly grunt @ 5:
That, "the fuck", is a typical irrelevant to the question bullshit republican answer.
With the exception of Ron Paul, I have never heard a GOP member give a direct and honest answer to any serious question regarding Iraq.
It's at the point where I get a sick adrenaline rush in my chest every time I hear a Republican talk.
The USA desperately needs more and many Independents in high office before I get stomach cancer from watching C-Span.
[...] GOP : SEE NO EVIL [...]
I don't know where Georgia keeps finding those idiots, but the Georgia Congressional Delegation makes Texas pols look enlightened.
Rep. Gingrey gets an earful
What happened, did Larry Craig shove his tongue down Phil Gingrey's ears?
The caller, like so many citizens of this country, is an american idiot. We accomplished EXACTLY what we intended to do. That is, to occupy the single largest oil reserve on the planet, and protect it with military bases. He's taken a huge step in the wrong direction.
It's the oil, stupid!!!
tone-deaf parrots.
hope @ 19:
How the caller voted in any election is none of gingrey's business. that arrogant asswipe is so out of touch with the average american voter that its pathetic!!
another pompous cock.
@99: "OBVIOUS SNAKE OIL SALESMAN"
Yup. And snake oil ("aciete de culebra") reverently applied with dedicated focus to a male figure candle (preferably black in color since red stands for love and life while white is for purity, holiness and Spirit), with the offender's name scratched into the wax, has been used by many a back-country folk to bring many a snake inna' humanoid suit back down to size.
Not to incite any particular manner of trouble on such an one as that fine Irrepublican talking-point man, of course. After all, it is only hoodoo, and all white men just know that there is really no such thing as hoodoo.
Hey, Buddy: Ever been snuck up on in the dead of night by a live candle in a dead soldier's hands? (It has been done a few times now.) The awakening can be as rude as Baron Samedi (Lord of All Death and the Grave) ever might make it. In fact, Dickens' "Christmas Carol" triad of righteous spookies is very much sanitized by comparison to the actual experience, by all accounts. Hint: In actual field trials, even care-immolating Bonesmen have been found to be touchable by virtue of the Holy Hoodoo of Heaven Harmonious and Triumphant.
The situation is essentially "Reversible".
Hint too: Open your Bible and read all about how "Elijah the Prophet" (aka "San Elias" by Latino folk) set things right in his own 'hood, once he realized his own land had fallen under a somewhat repugnant and non-acceptable foreign occupation. Not so very unlike the DC Beltway under NeoWotzit rule, hm? Fortunately for the No Bloodshed Rule, the Sword of Light is highly effective - and the "victim" can still live to be wiser, though a bit sadder for a while.
Meanwhile, the disrespected discorporated spirits of BOTH sovereign nations are PISSED. (Imagine why?)
Pray for peace. Honor all combat troops - especially the DEAD ones! Spark a flame for Genuine Liberty today - and KEEP IT LIT.
Turn a bit of their own bloody petroleum aginst 'em, strong and beautiful, while the price of a glass-jar votive candle is still within reach... Think of 'em as 50 millimeter (more/less) Clown Guns, and treat accordingly.
f the repubs...
...until they say publically, frequently, and loudly that:
"they were wrong, they were wrong, they were wrong"
"the bush cartel is a sham"
"i wont vote for another repub until the denounce to the same degree i am"....
until they do that, they can live with the shame and dispair of knowing what they have unleashed on the world.
give'm hell huh?
How is it that C-SPAN knew to put up the pictures of Iraq and Afghanistan during Gingrey's response to the caller? The video says "LIVE", yet there are pictures inserted during Gingrey's response -- indicating that the technical crew knew exactly what Gingrey's reply was going to be? Something's a little fishy here...
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