Democracy Now!: On the ground in Iraq
By Nicole Belle Tuesday Sep 11, 2007 8:33pm![]()
Amy Goodman interviews filmmaker Rick Rowley of Big Noise Films of the reality of being on the ground in Iraq.
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...(W)hen General Petraeus says that they're merely applauding these tribes from the sidelines, he's lying. I mean, while we were embedded with the Americans, we saw American military commanders hand wads of cash to tribal militias. And when he says that they are facilitating their integration into the country's security forces, what he means is they're pressuring Iraq's government to incorporate these militias wholesale into the police forces. In fact, that's one of the promises that these tribes are given, that after working with the Americans for a few months, they'll become Iraqi police, be armed by the Iraqi state and be put on regular payroll. So it's completely disingenuous, what he's saying.
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YES!
Kudos to Rick Rowley for piercing through the lies and disinformation
Petraeus lying, imagine that?
Excellent...thank you...
Iraq= a killing field....they can lie all they want...that won't change a thing...the only solution is for us to leave...and get the surrounding countries to police the area...
SHOCKING!
And now air strike on Syria by Israel confirmed by US...
(See the Telegraph, I don't know how to embed. Analog.)
It's been established that the U.S. is paying the sheiks to put their men to work. I think the rate is $10 per man per day. The men work ostensibly as village security. I haven't heard anyone arguing that this is not going on. Can anybody direct me to the part of Petraeus's testimony where he says this isn't happening?
Otherwise, the only thing new about this story is the spin to discredit Petraeus..
mudshark @ 5:
[Em. Mine]
Yeah. That's what we should do. =) I'm sure Saudi Arabia and Iran can cooperate and work together to prevent the sectarian violence from plunging the entire region into war.
I'm laughing because you're absolutely right and yet it's just not going to happen that way. At least not peacefully. Shit is going to hit the fan. The question is how far is it going to spray and for how long. Staying in Iraq is not going to prevent this, but how we withdraw could make a difference either way.
The new stuff in this story is the Shiite refugee camps. I hadn't heard of them until now. Makes sense. Where do the ethnically cleansed neighborhoods go? They don't all die. We just gotta leave. We are making it worse.
Patraeus reminds me so much of Robert Bork of the military. He was offered this job when General after General refused it. He accepted this job following the resignation and forced retirement of General after General. He executed this job with the blind devotion and unquestioning resolve of a foot-soldier. And he will most likely be remembered as nothing more than a Simpson’s caricature – just like Robert Bork.
Amy Goodman is one of the last true journalist left in the media today. Finally, a story coming out of Iraq that is believable.
I don't think our civilian leaders understand just how important tribal, ethnic, and religious identity is to these people, and a majority of the world, as well. Asking them to ignore their identities or to sublimate them to a different identity (ie Iraqi) is akin to telling an American, "Ok, you're Malaysian now. Get used to it."
moonsha @ 12:
Agreed, she is a journalist in the truest sense of the word. She is neither bought, nor sold, like the corporate whores in the MSM
Exacly! And that's why I love Amy Goodman. :)
I will have to watch that whole clip again, because all I could think of the first time was, when is Amy Goodman going to get a decent fucking haircut?
I got a big surprise a couple of days ago: Democracy Now! is now on PRIME TIME TV! It had been airing on a local PBS channel at 10pm for the last year, but since the recent pledge break, it's on at 5:30pm. Some things are changing for the better.
This airs in the Philadelphia region on channel 35, WYBE at 7:00PM.
For some strange reason this show did not air.
All i saw was an intro w/ strange theme music that ran for the whole hour.
gatto @ 16:
Thank you gatto, for pointing out precisely the reason that plastic corporate news anchors win over real journalists every day in the US. Bravo.
This is classic Democracy Now! - An amazing exclusive story that tears apart the mythology and replaces it with reality. My girlfriend has them on her cable now and they are on my local NPR station WDET at 8pm.
In particular, I think this story is very important (and I recommend going to the YouTube links to watch Rowley's entire film) because it shows you what is happening on the ground as a result of throwing the US weight behind the Sunni militias. There was also a great followup story the next day explaining the first Petraus plan, arming the Shiites by creating a special police squad.
Iraq was not a chaotic country. The people knew what they wanted - free elections based on a national survey, the freedom to write their own constitution, protection of their national resources against foreign control, and the occupation ended. To control them, the US forces threw money and arms at anyone who said that they would keep the people in line and do what the US wanted. The Kurd radicals, Shiite radicals, now Sunnis radicals. And suddenly we're shocked that there are radical groups with arms and money. When the Sunnis stop doing what we want, what then? I suppose we could give more money and arms to Al Qaeda (the Mujahadeen, excuse me) again.
The lies...the lies...the horrible lies.
I heard this on DN and I was floored. 'Peace through ethnic cleansing', is clearly the current strategy. The outrage is exponential. Herding whole peoples into a pen to eventually starve or be slaughtered? Sort of like waging genocide over there so we don't have to do it here.
I'm so pissed. I'm guilty by association. Our nation right or wrong. We can't defect. There is nowhere to go. This is our land and what's done in our name is our responsibility. This time our nation is wrong and horrible things have been done in our names. We must stop this nonsense now and redirect our hundreds of billions to ends that attempt to atone for this travesty. But how? Even my hyper liberal senator caves to the pressure of 'not funding the troops'. I have only one vote. They don't fear me (us) at all. What to do?
You can keep pressing your representatives, Mark. Call them. State your case clearly, point to the evidence you used for to determine your opinion, and most important, ask what the Congressperson's position is and what actions they will be taking.
It does make a difference, and it's easier than most people think. You have more than one vote when you call, email or write a letter. You are considered a representation of many voters that is proportional to the work you go through to contact the Congressperson (email is lowest, then phone, then written letter I believe).
(I do recommend writing this all down before calling though, it makes it a lot easier! :^)
Abu Risha was blown to bits just now... http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6993211.stm
General David Petraeus, said Anbar province showed how Iraq could throw off its violence and move forward.
"A year ago the province was assessed 'lost' politically," he said.
"Today, it is a model of what happens when local leaders and citizens decide to oppose al-Qaeda and reject its Taleban-like ideology."
So true.
Wonder if Mad George will say anything about this in his telecast tonight?
Thank you for posting this story. I also put a comment into Firedoglake yesterday. It is so important the the American people get to see the other truth.
"Ass-kissing little chickenshit"
by kos
Thu Sep 13, 2007 at 08:28:28 AM PDT
In sharp contrast to the lionisation of Gen. David Petraeus by members of the U.S. Congress during his testimony this week, Petraeus's superior, Admiral William Fallon, chief of the Central Command (CENTCOM), derided Petraeus as a sycophant during their first meeting in Baghdad last March, according to Pentagon sources familiar with reports of the meeting.
Fallon told Petraeus that he considered him to be "an ass-kissing little chickenshit" and added, "I hate people like that", the sources say. That remark reportedly came after Petraeus began the meeting by making remarks that Fallon interpreted as trying to ingratiate himself with a superior.
That extraordinarily contentious start of Fallon's mission to Baghdad led to more meetings marked by acute tension between the two commanders. Fallon went on develop his own alternative to Petraeus's recommendation for continued high levels of U.S. troops in Iraq during the summer [...]
The policy context of Fallon's extraordinarily abrasive treatment of his subordinate was Petraeus's agreement in February to serve as front man for the George W. Bush administration's effort to sell its policy of increasing U.S. troop strength in Iraq to Congress.
In a highly unusual political role for an officer who had not yet taken command of a war, Petraeus was installed in the office of Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, a Republican from Kentucky, in early February just before the Senate debated Bush's troop increase. According to a report in The Washington Post Feb. 7, senators were then approached on the floor and invited to go McConnell's office to hear Petraeus make the case for the surge policy.
Fallon was strongly opposed to Petraeus's role as pitch man for the surge policy in Iraq adopted by Bush in December as putting his own interests ahead of a sound military posture in the Middle East and Southwest Asia -- the area for which Fallon's CENTCOM is responsible.
Kald @ 23:
Well that's damn convenient, isn't it? The mysterious hero of Anbar, is removed from the picture as soon as light begins to shine on him and expose a number of unsightly blemishes. And because he allegedly taken out by insurgents, it proves that he was a threat to them.
The last time he was supposed to be in Iraq, he was in Jordan, and then off conducting business. Now he arrives in Iraq just in time to be blown up? Fishy.
Sheik Abdul Sattar Abu Reesha was just killed by a roadside bomb. I wonder who'll take his place?
In the spirit of a free and open press, is what Rick Rowley says double sourced and confirmed? E.g., sheiks in Anbar are getting arms and money from the U.S. led force and saving it to do their own killing for power when they are ready. How about some confirmation on that? Date, location, second source, quote? Or the (river) is "bloated with corpses...." How about a confirming source on that? Photos, regularly, whenever it happens? I don't need anyone to tell me Bush et al have an ugly twisted agenda; I need someone who says these things to back it up, and then to get it and the backup on mainstream. Now that would be journalistic courage. To me, Rick Rowley's reports on Democracy Now are in one way no different than Anderson Cooper's reports on CNN or CBS: They both are playing to their own audiences. What they and all of us that want to effect change have to do, in my view, is get out there in that river of corpses, and get to the other side.
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