Rudy Giuliani demands placement of NY Times Ad. Violation Time!
By John Amato Wednesday Sep 26, 2007 4:45pmThe Politics TV team helped put together this video showing Rudy Giuliani demanding to have his anti-MoveOn ad placed on a date certain which is in violation of the rules since he got the discounted---standby rate. Lane Hudson filed a FEC complaint against Team Rudy:
Rudy Giuliani is a hypocrite who thinks he should live by rules different than others. He attacked MoveOn.org and the New York Times for the rate charged for a newspaper ad. Promptly, he ran an ad in response and paid….wait for it….the SAME amount.
Now we find out that his campaign lied to the Washington Post:
In a write-up over at the Washington Post by Michael Shear, Rudy's spokesperson had this to say:
"Our ad not only met the acceptability standards of The New York Times, but it was placed at the standby rate with no commitment it would run on a specific date."
However, in direct conflict to this statement is Hizzoner himself. Check it out here. In Rudy's own words, he DEMANDS that his ad run in that Friday's New York Times at the SAME rate he had already criticized MoveOn for receiving. He sounds like an angry little kid demanding an equal share of a piece of chocolate, NOT a Presidential candidate.
Justine Cole has much more..."NY Times' Seelye, public editor give conflicting reports on whether Times promised to run Giuliani ad on specific day." There is a huge conflict between what the Public editor has said and the NY Times reporter. Please demand a response.
Email the Public Editor at the NYT to demand the same treatment he gave to MoveOn for Rudy. His email is:
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Ghouliani!
The Youtube dealie said it was loading, but it never did.
Rudy needs a spanking and put to bed with no dinner. He's a grown up brat.
Maybe they should charge him 91,100 dollars for the ad? It is a bit more than what he was charged, but with those numbers, how could Rudi refuse?
Nine chances out of eleven, he won't be forced to pay the difference like MoveOn did.
I wish the Dems in Congress had half the spine of Move-On.
Can somebody tell me what Republican/hypocrite wants MoveOn investigated over this. I'd like to send him a polite letter asking if he's going to investigate Rudy.
If MoveOn could find and verify that quote where Rush used the word "betrayus" they should use it in a great big print ad.
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Rudy can demand all he wants....the results will be the same come Nov.If you haven't noticed..McCain is getting a little traction....
I almost feel sorry for republicans, they have a pathetic group of people to choose from on their ballot. McCain is beginning to look like the sanest one and we know what he's all about. When McCain is the closest you have to a decent candidate, you know your party is in big trouble. I think the sane repubs are sitting this one out because they know the repubs have an up hill climb if they are going to win in 08.
mudshark @ 9:
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If I lived in NY I would use that ad to line my garbage pail which is where Rudy belongs. Once an idiot always an idiot.
hip hop blogger Jay Smooth obliterates Bill Ho'Lie-ly in a parody here.
No offense to Media Matters or Air America, they do good work. However, Jay Smooth ethers Bill O in 2 mins, more effective then they do in 10 posts or shows.
You should put this as its own C&L post
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Hey, don't mess with Rudy, NY'Time-ers...
He'll send JUDITH (don't call me Judy) after your sorry ass, and you don't want to mess with that bitch-hound from hell....
IOKIYAR
"um.oh..ehh...aoe...ehh..umm...gah..ehh....iii....errr....ehh...umm..."
This was about the most intelligent thing he said.
Lane Hudson rules
Man, this changes everything.
....And Rudy is supposedly presidential timber eh.... Petulant egotistical spoilt brat is more like it....
That ad homina-homina-whatever attack aside, this is what I'm really thinking about in regards to this little news flap... This is ALL bullshit, the response to Moveon.orgs ad, Rudy's petulant behavior, his transparent scheming, the press's glomming all over the story, ALL OF IT... This all smells so stage managed... Given all the other bullshit this administration pulls day after day, week after week... I gotta wonder, while we're all carping on this weakass shit, (not the moveon.org ad,...What's weak is the rabid rightwing response with Rudy evidently leading the parade, and the press playing its usual lapdog roll as well) And I'm just as bad as the next guy in getting all caught up in it.....
Nevertheless...Seems like it's just the current smoke and mirrors outrage news bullshit to replace the last outrage dejour...(The Columbia Bruhaha, which replaced the Larry Craig flap and on and on)... In the meantime, just what are the republicans and neocons up to behind the scenes and press focus that is actually dangerous and likely to effect us all in a negative way.... Wonder what it will be this time... I absolutely know in my guts, heart and soul, it will be something... And it will likely be along the lines of taking money or benefits or denial of something from someone or group who needs it... Providing money (probably public money at that) to someone or group
who is undeserving but follows the party line.. Or something that gets people killed and/or maimed... That much I do know...
I'm getting tired of feeling played by these pricks! I don't really have anything useful to say about any of this anymore... Just carping and moaning with the rest... I think I need to quit doing this venting thing here and try something else... I'm not really doing any real good raging on here, and mostly I suspect I'm just either pissing people off or maybe making some heads shake in response...or being skipped as something to read altogether..
which might be for the best anyway.....Whatever is going on here, I'm not effecting change with this blogging thing.
I guess for me, it's become more like what POP sort of indicated on another thread yesterday.. Reading these threads and posts ends up like continually looking back at a car crash even though you don't really want to... It's addictive in its way..And I've been hooked for awhile. I like to think I maybe had something useful to say or add at first... But I don't know that... And in any case I don't think that any longer... That's not to say I think this site and others like it are bad... I don't think that at all.. And certainly, in this day and age, these sites are a needed venue for legitimately discussing the issues of the day. It's about the closest thing we have left to a public forum for average folks to exchange unfiltered views and possibly it does serve as a backdoor conduit to our so-called representatives to provide them with, if nothing else a sounding board to determine just how pissed or not the general public is at any one time...
Provided they or a designee read it.. Which I have no way of knowing...
Anyway, here's I've done gone and written another long windy post that other than giving Rudy another well deserved ration of shit, aint' really saying anything or offering anything new to fix this mess... So... I'm quiting now... Others can take Rudy to task better than I... We'll see how long I can stay away from this drug... Mr. Amato? You have a great site sir. I hope you keep it going for as long as is needed... P.S. Didn't actually know you were a musician... I read a post by you on a music thread I think.. You said you played a gig at the Viper room in 94 or 95... Hmmm I played some gigs in the L.A. basin including the Viper Room, around then... I wonder if we ever met... Anyway, good luck with this site. The nations in the crapper right now and I think this one of the few places people who are genuinely concerned can come and exchange meaningful ideas... regards to all, even the freepers and you know who you are......JD
This doesn't cut it.
There is nothing like proof that the Times gave a guarantee about the date. They could have said that there was no guarantee of it running on Friday - but it happened on Friday. It then looks like the "demand" that Giuliani made then looks alike an actual deman. Making the point again that I made in a diary about this at DKos (perhaps with Lane Hudson) it's like "demanding" gas a gas station, tehn gloating whe you get it.
If that's not clear enough: It's a very subtle disticntion. If Giuliani says, and if the Times now says, that they were given no oral guarantee, then the standby rate was correct. Subtle - but correct. If they were not told that there was no guarantee, as was the case with MoveOn, then they are in violation. But there is no substantiation of that to warrant these calls.
And it does not necessarily, as you say, make his campign spokesman a liar.
How can anyone this STUPID even assume he could be elected President.
IMO the one big question no one ever asks this POS. Why didn't you begin the EVACUATION of the second tower during the 30 odd minutes AFTER the first plane struck? They actually told people in tower 2 NOT to evacuate when many were trying. According to many accounts people were sent back up after they started down. It seems to me at least HALF those that died might have made it out, if an evacuation had been implemented immediately. Wasn't the Port Authority in charge of WTC security? Who would the PA be accountable to? The Mayor maybe. Wouldn't Rudy, being mayor of NYC at the time, be responsible for the PA's failure. I certainly believe he was. Am I the only one who sees it this way, or am I missing something(besides a few brain cells).
You could assume nobody could have for seen the 2nd plane hitting that tower, even though there was drills for that very scenario. But common sense says otherwise about the evacuation of T2.
Let me put it another way. If your next door neighbor's house catches fire, and his house is only a few feet from yours, would you just sit and watch out the side window or get the hell out of your house. Well, me and you know the answer, but I'm not sure Rudy does. Someone should ask him if they get the chance and put his answer on the record. I would be interested to hear his excuse.
Great video.
We have to stay on this and Make Rudy Pay Up!
Feel free to distribute the graphic at this link.
Now I am totally confused. I thought it was reported that the ad salesperson quoted Moveon the wrong rate to begin with and that the "stand by" rate really was supposed to be the $142.083.00. Also, isn't it more than that if a specific date is requested. So doesn't The Rude One own even more in that case?
F*** Rudy.
That said, I predict that The Times will roll over.
elsie
MoveOn called on a Friday, said they wanted an ad to run on Monday. they were given the standby rate for the ad, $64,575, but weren't told it was standby. The ad ran on Monday. The only mistake the Times says happened is that they weren't told it was standby and couldn't be guaranteed. It might have worked out the same - but they weren't told it wasn't guaranteed and so it amounted to giving them - in their minds - a discount they shouldn't have gotten. They should have, they said, paid the full $142.083.00. MoveOn said Fine, and they paid the difference.
Rudy on Monday (maybe Tuesday) "demanded" an ad on Friday with the same standby rate. The ad ran on Friday.
It does appear that Rudy got the same deal as MoveOn. But here's the problem: In the actual negotiations with the Times, they may have said "We can't guarantee it'll run on Friday." But it did. That's how standby works. the "demand" is meangingless - unless they were actually told they could guarantee the ad.
We don't know if they did. They might have - but we don't know. Questioning it is right, but demanding that he pay the difference is, IMO, premature.
But I support the effort to bug him and find out.
Moveon.org will apologize for the ad tomorrow.
Are Congress going to (a) censure Rush Limbaugh for broadcasting his General "Betrayus" screed -- he is, after all, broadcasting to the troops -- and (b) tack on a wrist slap for Rudy's thuggery and, what the hell, (c) issue an apology to MoveOn for abusing public time to single them out for legitimate, legal, dissent while condoning (and even endorsing) the actions of other PACs who have illegally colluded with the White House and other officials?
This shouldn't be let slide.
I've never given money to MoveOn, but if they ran the exact same ad again, superimposed over the First Amendment, I'd give money for it.
But Rudy's allowed to cheat right?
Bust his sorry ass.
Self righteous MFer.
What happened to the Republican " FREE Market " anything goes ideology ?
Gee I want a progressive radio show in an exclusive neo con area market where progressives are not served by the public airwaves when the market is there and is denied in the face of reality, Rudy.
I bet Rudy wants some inside trading info too....
Rudy is in trouble and he knows it. That would explain him going off on these wild tangents. Maybe its just me but his campaign could be headed for total meltdown sometime next year.
I think it was Ed Koch who predicted Giuliani would self destruct.
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