Breaking-- Feinstein Buckles: Votes Against Telecom Immunity
By bluegal Wednesday Nov 14, 2007 10:05pm...something incredible just happened.
This evening, the Senate Democrats finally stood up to President Bush...
Senate Democrats are now refusing to let Bush get away with his latest egregious abuse of power. They voted unanimously for a bill WITHOUT retroactive immunity to the major telecom companies who broke the law.
Everyone expected Dianne Feinstein to vote with the Republicans, but... Senator Dianne Feinstein did the right thing and voted for the bill without retroactive immunity. Read more...
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YES!
*pumps fist*
Now...let's start putting the Constitution back together.
WTG everyone!
be still my heart!
I think I'm going to have a heart attack!
Pressure applied brings results.
Is...is that a SPINE I see?
It couldn't be...
How stupid does it sound to call that "incredible"? We're reduced to rejoicing when a Senator votes with the constitution. That sucks.
Geez, Louise, the useless Demo-Republican representing my state finally did something that makes sense. Did elves slip something into her Ensure this morning? Perhaps overnight she grew a pair of balls under that 1950's skirt? A tip o' the hat to her, although you know she'll make up for it by going Republican on us again within a week or two. Has anyone ever told her she isn't representing Texas?
That's great. We're still screwed.
-DT
Thanks to the Courage Campaign, who began an effort to have DiFi censured for caving on letting Mukasey's nomination out of committee. Today, MoveOn signed on to the censure campaign; their efforts almost certainly were the deciding factor in FINALLY making her accountable to her constituents, and stand up for the Bill of Rights.
Maybe Miss Dianne is getting a little tired of being grouped (rightly...) with the Bush war criminals and torturers... In northern California newspapers she has been repeatedly attacked by both letter writers and editors for her pro-torture confirmation vote in favor of Bush's nominee for Attorney General. It probably has been bloody farking hell for her staff that has to answer telephone calls and read all those hostile negative Emails... Of course, the progressive blogs have been screaming, too. Maybe all of our fussing and fuming is getting to her... Stay tuned for her next votes on the critical legislation coming up..
... is this.. good news? wha?
Was watching the hearing and got a kick out the strained expressions from the repubs when she came out for the substitute. They looked like little boys who lost their lollypops, or had them snatched away by a girl no less. Maybe we're seeing the beginning of the end of continuous dem capitulation. Maybe.
koko the talking gorilla @ 9:
Yep, I think that censure resolution had something to do with this. I guess she won't be getting that fat check from the San Francisco telecom companies.
nightjar @ 12:
You got a link to that clip?
#9: Dana Perino's comment yesterday regarding radical elements notwithstanding. Bushmeat may be getting a wake-up call soon, with a mighty hangover afterall. In'she, Allah~! (;>
In parallel news, Pelosi's "Restore Act of 2007" passed the house. It restores the checks and balances that were not contained in President Bush’s bill, the hastily-passed "Protect America Act" of last spring.
kudos to everyone who blogged and wrote letters to get her to change her mind
The Dodd campaign sent out this email today. If anyone tries to add immunity as an amendment on the floor (which his campaign says someone surely will) he is still promising to filibuster it.
See folks, we DO make a difference. We just have to fight and stand tall.
Right, and when it gets vetoed by the retarded monkey will they override the veto?
I'm not holding my breath.
I've never understood the Administration's position on this, even at face value. If what they are doing is perfectly above board and legal, why do they even need to consider an immunity deal?
justabill @ 18:
I spoke too soon. We have to KEEP fighting on this. KEEP placing calls.
So Schumer did the right thing, too?!
EVERYONE, CALL THE SENATORS THAT VOTED AGAINST THIS BILL AND COMMEND THEM, YES, EVEN FIFI, AND TELL THEM THEY DID THE RIGHT THING, BUT STILL VOTE FIFI'S ASS OUT THE DOOR THE FIRST CHANCE YOU GET!
old billy says
I was watching the replay earlier on c-span 2 which is still showing the judiciary hearing. I stopped watching when she made it known she was going to vote for the substitute bill which didn't have immunity in it. You still might be able to catch the actual vote . They don't have the video posted yet on their website. Probably tomorrow it'll be up.
Any telco complicit with the bush admin in illegal warrantless wiretapping prior to 9/11 deserves to be sued and criminal spying charges brought against the complying executives and bush admin officials involved.
They knew it was illegal then, yet the did it. It is still illegal now.
All the Bushies are going to be impeached, tried, convicted and sentenced, then come the war crimes tribunals. LOL
In all seriousness; to all our Congressional Democratic Representatives, THANK YOU. This is the stuff that statesmen are made of. Continue in this course; America is depending on your judgment and responsibility to stop and correct the damage that this NeoCon(vict)s and the Bush/Chaney Administration have done to the America that we grew up with. Our Constitution has withstood hundreds of years, these Constitutional insults demand that as our Democratic Representatives; indeed demands even from our Republican and Independent Representatives a responsible responds with the goal to restore the American way of Life and the integrity of the Nation and our Constitution. No one is above the law. This batch of Republicans is going down in history as traitors and the most unethical, irresponsible enablers and participants in this Constitutional Crisis. We shall overcome, after all this is America and their agenda is being rejected slowly but steadily.
Again, Thank You
Good news for once. I thought DiFi was just a bush dog. Good to see Cali being blue again.
Something is afoot here we don't know about. It's the only explanation. Just to be sure I'm going to call Hell and see if the heat is still working.
DF is my senator, I wish it were not so. She is totally corrupt, for example by serving on the appropriations committee and approving monies for her husband's business. Nevertheless, it is good that she can be swayed, and shows that netroots pressure is powerful!.
I should add that none of this will matter if Reid brings up the intelligence committee version for a vote on the floor. If he does, then we'll know what the deal was.
This is a great step in the direction of returning our rights back to us. And when corporations knowingly violate constitutional laws, they will be subject to prosecution and civil lawsuits. When the telecommunication companies decided to go along with the republicans without any regard for US citizens' rights and the law they deserve the bulls-eye that is on them.
color me fucking stunned.
Symes @ 20:
Actually, if he vetoes it things are even better, because if the sunset clause in the last FISA legislation kicks in without a replacement bill being signed into law, we revert to the original FISA bill. Suck on that, W.
Haha, this bill won't amount to anything. As long as Moron is President the telecom people will have closet immunity.
I got a call today from the DNC asking me to give an extra contribution above my normal monthly contribution. I told them that until I see Feinestein show some party discipline, They won't get one dime from me. Money talks!!
I'm going to Call Pelosi's office now and tell her, "No Impeachment, No Money!"
I've been away from newssources for a couple of hours, but I'm pretty sure YOU'RE WRONG about this.
Isn't it that Feinstain agreed to withdraw her amendment to get the bill voted out of committee (because Dodd had threatened to block the bill)?
• She'll just present the amendment on the floor tomorrow, and it will probably pass, putting immunity back in the bill.
This is NOT, UIAM, a change in Feinstain's support for immunity. This was pragmatism in order to get that immunity, which requires at least moving the bill to the floor.
koko the talking gorilla @ 9:
Nope, pretty sure you're wrong about that. TMK, there has been ZERO change in her support for immunity. She just needed to get the bill out of committee.
I suggest we all thank Dianne for doing the right thing. I faxed her an angry letter and now I'll send her one of praise.
Is this a new myth forming? I hope not.
Feinstain has not changed, and will not change.
She doesn't give a hot damn what you think, or about your efforts to censure her. She lives in an ivory tower of her own conceit, and isn't planning on moving closer to the plebes at ground level -- as you will learn again tomorrow.
Reid @ 39:
Wait until tomorrow. She will fuck all of us, and your fax will pain you more than it will ever hurt her.
I'm not a wizard on Senate rules, but I think she voted for a substitute amendment that doesn't have immunity in it. Any amendment she or any one else makes to add it on the floor of the Senate can be tabled, with 60 votes needed pass.
Yippy, yahoo.
The dems finally stood up to injustice. If they didn't the telecom thieves could release all kinds of dirty without fear of fines and/or jail time. This is done in the dems best interest.
Now if they could please do something about our finest being put in harms way?
As John Aravosissays, "It's not over by a long stretch, but this means that people like Feinstein who want to give Verizon and AT&T immunity for having helped the government illegally spy on their customers now need 60 votes to include telcom immunity in the bill (i.e., enough to beat a filibuster). They may have those votes, since Feinstein isn't the only sell out. Still, now each Senator has to go on the record as to whether they support illegal spying on American citizens, and that's a vote that probably even faux Dems like DiFi would like to avoid."
koko the talking gorilla @ 44 "...immunity for having helped the government illegally spy on their customers now need 60 votes to include telcom immunity in the bill"
They have that.
I will not believe the Dems, especially the corporatists voted against immunity based on public pressure. there will be discovered, after someone else scrutinizes the bill, that some form of boondoggle disguised as a compromise was inserted into the bill that does some other form of favor for the corporations or, worse, provisions in the bill which further or permanently remove some privacy from the citizens of this country. The full damage will be announced in the late Friday news cycle for burial in saturday's press.
ChrisM70 @ 5:
ChrisM70 @ 5:
Nah, I don't think so. I think it's just fear. And I hate to say it but maybe that's the only way to motivate the war profiteers like her.
Saint King Dumbfuck will veto the bill and the dems will cave again as usual.
MAYBE SHE WAS STILL SHOCKED OVER THE RESPONSE HER LAST VOTE GOT
They're talking about making the fed government the defendant in any lawsuit which would mean any civil awards from lawsuits would be paid for by we the taxpayers. This without even knowing what the hell the telecoms actually did. Mustn't offend the corporate gods or the campaign contributions might disappear.
What really matters is will they support the Dodd filibuster on the floor. That's the battle. 41 is the magic number we need. It aint over till its over!
Glenn Greenwald has a good series of updates on it.
This is good news of course but we should never lose sight of the fact that under the existing FISA laws, should they ever be enforced, that George Bush should be in prison. And don't hold your breath for Mukasey to enforce the existing law! He has written to Senator Leahy threatening him that if the Senate passes a new FISA law that doesn't give the telecoms immunity he will reccommend to bush to veto it. Ain't that just cute having the highest law enforcement officer ignoring existing law and threatening lawmakers about the making of laws. Basicly Mukasey has already stepped way over the line. It's safe to say that when bush trys to disband Congress that Mukasey will say it's his legal right to do so. The Nazis had nothing compared to these fascist pigs.
Paul in LA @ 45:
Why do I get the feeling you're happy about that?
Terrible @ 53:
After seeing your other comment I'll take that back.
an exception to a general truth does not improve the general truth.
Feinstein needs to do this 1000 more times before any thanks should be appropriate.
I think she heard us.But that doesn't change my opinion of her.She still needs to be censured,even if it fails.It still needs to be attempted.
Fuck Feinstein. There's no more room for ambivalence.
Ummm... did the Democrats get a spine? Wow. This is great news. And hopefully this will boost their poll numbers and we can get some positive enforcement, which will lead to more acts like this, which will lead to even higher poll numbers, which will lead... you get the idea.
This was just rebroadcast on CSPAN (it's stilli on now). Feinstain DEFINITELY DID NOT CHANGE HER MIND.
She insisted on and got a replacement amendment (as opposed to having hers stripped out), so her amendment is intact for her to offer on the floor tomorrow.
She isn't your hero. That woman's name is Nancy Pelosi, who has opposed immunity the whole way down the line, and now has passed the bill without any such immunity.
*Please make a note of it.*
The thing I'm yet unclear about is why Senator Whitehouse is supporting such an idea. HE IS THE ONE YOU OUGHT TO BE PRESSURING, not Feinstain.
99 @ 6:
It's called progress.
Bruce @ 57:
Good point!
Wait, what's your point?
mudshark @ 56:
Why? Censure one senator while Bush is still Pres? Why not IMPEACHMENT?
Paul in LA @ 41:
You know Paul, I can finally agree with you on something!
Will the wonders never cease! :wink:
angelo @ 55:
Good point - while George Bush Jr. is still President, let's focus on Feinstein. It's great policy to ignore the horrible policies of the white house and republicans and vote against the "spineless" Dems.
Democracy at work - We love it!
Can Bush veto this bill? And do we love Dianne again or is this just the beginning of showing her that the people elected her - not the Neocons.
Screw the censure....the local Pol's in Cal are going to bury it.
She and Chuckie need to be removed from the judiciary cmte. and replaced with people who are more representative of the people that are supposed to represent.
As the Senate Judiciary Committee prepared to debate the renewal of FISA revisions made in August, President Bush and his Republican allies in Congress are endorsing a unique double-standard when it comes to immunity for telecommunications firms. Within the United States, they argue, service providers such as AT&T and Verizon must cooperate with U.S. government demands for access to Americans' electronic communications and should be immune from citizens' lawsuits. But in China and elsewhere, as Republican reaction to this week's Yahoo saga suggests, not so much.
For the details, see:
"FISA, Yahoo and the GOP Double-Standard on Telecom Immunity."
"they" not 'that'
Paul in LA is right......lets wait and see what she does.Cause I for one certainly don't,won't and will never trust her.Not after all the bullshit she's pulled.
Interesting that the Repugs were able to impeach Clinton for no good reason, while we can't impeach Bush for trying to destroy our country and our world.
All Senators of both parties are such "good" friends. I watched the Telecom discussion and every Senator whether Democrat or Republican applauded Feinstein's work. Never heard them do that before....just shows how dems and repubs. are all in a "good old boys and ladies" club especially if the public is condemning one of their "own". None want to lose that "spoiled" life style they are accustomed to, especially not for us common folks!
I'm very happy about this, not that it's over yet.
It's too late for Dianne Feinstein to wash the stench of BushCo off her hands.
mo_dems @ 70:
Yeah, isn't it though.
It's as if we are living in a one party dictatorship masquerading as a democracy...
I saw this cartoon in the paper the other day..."Why are the Dems so supportive of stem cell research?" "Because they hope it'll help them grow a spine."
I not holding my breath on this one. I happy about it but just you wait.
I'm not sure the DFA is right about this. I haven't seen any other reports to corroborate it. It's possible that they got the wrong end of the stick and thought that the fact that the Judiciary Committee didn't vote on Immunity either way, and left the decision to the floor of the Senate, meant that DiFi had buckled.
I'll wait before I start throwing my hat in the air.
It doesn't matter... the government will compensate the telecoms for whatever damages they suffer -- with YOUR tax dollars. It still means no accountability, no incentive to obey the law.
And DiFi was reluctant. She said she wanted not to vote but to wait a while to talk some more to the telecoms. She's hardly a saint.
mo_dems @ 62:
I think trying to censure her was overall GOOD for the CA Dem Party, so I disagree with your downplaying of the pressure. Howard Dean quickly realized how bad the state level Dem parties are organized and staffed by Rahm Emanuel and the mostly East Coast DLC.
By the way, Blue Dog Co-Chair Rep. Harmon (DINO - Aerospace) was crowing on the floor that the BD's had installed anti-terror language into FISA to cut off the R attempt to install it first, something like that. She was very specific about how the Iranian military Quds were a terrorist organization and that this bill was specifically empowered to go after these organizations.
So score one warmongering brownie point for her.
I did my part. My snak.. er, senator is on the senate judiciary cmte. and I called and left a message asking him to say no to telecom immunity. He'll probably cave and vote with the Repugnant Party. I'll have my friends who are against this call also.
swarmofkillermonkeys @ 77:
The whole issue is not damages, it's access to the courts. It's a fundamental freedom issue, the accountability of companies to follow the law. The FISA RESTORE Act just passed in the House demands all information related to these spying programs. The House Dem leadership (and caucus) is committed to allowing Americans access to the courts, and as Senator Durbin said this morning, that was why the FISA Act was instituted in the first place -- to guarantee access to the courts, a legal process, to any American person.Violating FISA cannot and is not legal under Executive privelege. FISA specifies that, still. For Congress to offer immunity from its laws is to hand away its entire mandate.
Feinstain has a whole bunch of reasons, and some false claims. She says that the program was ruled legal by Ashcroft, and therefore the companies are in good faith violating FISA. But that's exactly why FISA was written. She also claimed, along with the R, that it had not been tested in the courts, and of course FISA has been reviewed many, many times. Totally dishonorable.
joanie @ 71:
Decorum is not the same thing as complicity. Tonight you could have watched the Speaker praise 'the Speaker' (Hastert) at his retirement launch today. She said he was the greatest Speaker in history, had the greatest personal morality of any saint in U.S. history, and on and on. She prays for him every day. All decorum. But she's not complicit, she's just very precise about her political purposes, which I believe to generally excellent.
mo_dems @ 70:
H'yeah, well we just don't have any big enough SOCIOPATH mass-murderers like 'Newt' Gingrich, Rumsfeld's confidant, on our side of the aisle.
Odd that he would impeach BC --and-- help Rumsfeld conspire to commit genocide. And yet, Kissingerlike, he appears on camera like Goering before the fall. And speaking of Kissinger, his protege J. "Paul" Bremer did a bang up job with Iraq. Destroyed the Iraqi middle class. You'll remember Kissinger...he was chosen to head the Nine-eleven commission.
So, h'yeah. Too bad the Democrats don't have a Mussolini with big nuts and Reagan's head, eh?
Paul in LA @ 80:
From the perspective of preventing such knowing complicity again, I think the damages DO matter. Will you go out of business if you knowingly commit felonies against MASSIVE numbers of American citizens? Hell, yes, I think you should -- IF the courts rule in such a fashion. It is the ONLY deterrent that will prove effective against such abuses and collusion in the future.
In the corporate world, if it didn't effect the bottom line, it just doesn't matter. Wiping away any threat of monetary damages is just as good as blanket immunity for the telecoms.
Feinstein is running scared after all the attention paid to her despicable vote for Mukasey. She was inundated with letters, email, and editorial approbation from the media and was forced to throw this bone to actual Democrats. Otherwise, she's just a typical fascist in sheep's clothing.
I'm a Verizon customer. The new terms of service just sent to me this week appear to give Verizon immunity unilaterally. They basically tell the customer that Verizon can do whatever they want with customer's information (including email) and by continuing to be a customer you are agreeing to this. An excerpt of text:
14.2 Data Management and Responsibility.
14.2.2 By Verizon: For the purposes of backup and maintenance, we may use, copy, display, store, transmit, translate, rearrange, reformat, view and distribute your information to multiple Verizon servers. Verizon may access, copy, block or remove any content stored on a Verizon Service, whether pursuant to a subpoena or otherwise. We do not guarantee that these procedures will prevent the loss of, alteration of, or the improper access to, your information.
The full terms are here:
Any lawyers have a take on this? They do say "for purposes of backup and maintenance", but do they get a free pass with the "pursuant to a subpoena or otherwise" line? Or by telling users that information is not secure?
ProlefeedTV @ 85:
You don't need to be a lawyer to clearly see if you sign with Verizon you are royally screwed! Consider yourself warned.
I guess this means Feinstein has given up her ambitions for the republican vice-presidency, since Lieberman has such a commanding lead in the race.
perverseness alert
Can my opinion of Dianne Feinstein drop any lower? I suppose I should congratulate her on doing the right thing-- but in the end it just shows that she doesn't have the courage to stay bought. She's only too happy to stick a shiv in our backs when she has cover, but when she stands alone...
Well any way I m glad it worked out -- on to the floor of the senate!
Last-Minute Loophole By MARTIN B. GOLD and DIMPLE GUPTA
Buried in a law intended to promote transparent government is a tool that makes it easier for proposals to be inserted into legislation behind closed doors.
.......
So they have found a way around truth in advertising for laws. and all the 'cave' talk is OK because they can now 'insert' proposals into bills at the last minute
purvis ames @ 84:
There! I fixed it. :)
Reward good behavior!
Feinstein voted to protect the civil liberties of all Americans, regardless of the reason. I suspect it was the pressure from the netroots that changed her mind, so lets give her a call and tell her thank you for standing up for the rule of law! Her behavior was bad and we responded, now we should give her the proper kudos for coming around -- it might make it that much easier to bring her around next time.
Buckles??? She BETTER f*cking vote against telecom immunity!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
74 Symes Says: mo_dems @ 70:
Interesting that the Repugs were able to impeach Clinton for no good reason, while we can’t impeach Bush for trying to destroy our country and our world.
Yeah, isn’t it though.
It’s as if we are living in a one party dictatorship masquerading as a democracy…
Bush is not only trying to destroy our country and our world, he seems to be succeeding.
She definitely felt the pressure of the Mukasey fiasco, but as to how she'll vote in the future is anybody's guess.
I hope everyone here who is a constituent will be sure to thank her. She'll be more likely to do the right thing again, if you do.
Glad Senator Feinstein has seen the light on this one. I guess there is some hope.
also:
NEWS AND COMMENT
Yahoo In Legal Hot Seat For Cooperating With Chinese Gov't
The lawsuit contends that Yahoo provided identifying information about the Plaintiffs, in violation of the privacy agreements and assurances made to the Yahoo’s customers and users, that led to their arbitrary arrest, indefinite detention and torture. Yahoo had acceded to the Chinese government to provide this information.
Comment: Too bad that Yahoo doesn't have President Bush and his Republicans to give it immunity.
homer www.altara.blogspot.com
One little victory
Feinstein did the right thing for once?
**faints
DiFi....Buh Bye.
But...it will be vetoed.
*SIGH*
Just past midnight in Tokyo... After 10 AM in NY. Just checked NYT, WAPO, CNN websites and there is no mention of this that I could find. Maybe I missed something. I would have thought that it would be the headline above Barry Bonds lying about using steroids. Good night all. I hope I am wrong. Oh, and it is really good to know that our government responded correctly to the wishes of the majority of U.S. citizens.
MP @ 100:
Hence the yes vote from DiFi. shes owned by the telecoms..and is playing the Arlen Spector ploy.
**** The Zionists!!!
Congrats to all those who lent a voice to force the change!
But the rich and powerful always find a way to make things their way, and we will have to watch their every move, every step of the way, forever.
Just saw on Kos that Reid may be planning on putting the Intelligence Committee version of the bill on the floor. If that happens then basically the work of The judicialry commitee will be undone and opponets of the bill will have to work to strip the telcom immunity back out. At least if I am understading this right.
I'll. be. damned!!!.....I wish I could believe this signaled some kind of fundamental change in her, but Paul in L.A. has a few valid points about it all. Sometimes he's even more realistic or maybe it's just more cynical, than I, I can't really decide which... Still, I'm just going to wait and see for a couple of days on this... I ain't ready to put DiFi up on some pedestal just yet... JD
WOW....... It took the Dems how many months to start growing some balls?
We're not out in the hole yet until we get to proceed to real accountabilities. Take notes of all their actions and INACTIONS. The flip-flop DOES indicate something very wrong is going on.
PEOPLE MUST continue it's oversight of our elected officials. We will deal with them later. They have alot of questions that they must answer.
1. Investigators keep your magnifying glass handy.
2. Auditors follow the money. Accountants monitor the accounting.
3. Lawyers observe the legal loopholes and how it is being used.
4. Government watchdogs keep an eye on treasury funds and public assets.
5. Citizens keep an eye on elected officials and their associates.
6. Journalist, record every move and keep an eye on every meetings and attendance of scheduled meetings.
7. Whistleblower do not whistle until you have gathered every evidences available.
8. Every federal department must be independently audited. There are hundred or thousands of independent professional auditors that can do this job and more than willing to probe the governments books to make certain that our tax dollars are being spent and managed wisely and accordingly.
9. Monitor the judicial branch and closely watch and review the ruling of our judges.
10. Every BRANCH of government should be audited and should never be exempted from this process.
11 Audit keep administrator honest and closes any loopholes discovered in the processes. Audit IS trasperancy. It is a must.
12. Lastly scrutinize every former politicians who have accepted a lobbying job. This often leads to inside deals of our government. Our Government system and our officials are NOT for sale. This leads to corruption.
Wow, the Frankenstein monster isn't all bad!
I think it's a pretty sad day when we jump up and down in victory over an admittedly terrible flaw in an otherwise awful bill. What did we win again?
Someone help me out here. Are "we" not still debating expansion of Government by Secret?
Good but....a bill? Aren't bills not permanent? Aren't bills still open to debate? Can the President veto this too? He probably would if he had the choice.
The more we cheer for small increases, because our standards are so low, the more the politicians will think they did what they were supposed to do. When they hear applause, they have no reason to keep going.
This needs to keep going, no applause yet, let it wait. Until then complain, moan and not vote for anyone who doesn't follow through with their promises for this liberty-violating wiretapping.
I made a phone call to Senator Reid's office the day before and expressed my opinion that the last two votes Feinstein did approving the Judge and approving the Attorney General (even though he wouldn't say waterboarding is illegal, because then he would have to prosectute Bush and Cheney), were wrong and if she votes yes on giving telecommunications immunity for their letting Bush spy on anyone he wants I would consider that the third strike. And as a lifelong Democrat and Californian, the next time she runs for office I'll vote for someone else (not a Republican though). I suggested she be kicked out of the Judicial Committee if she can't vote the way we elected her to do. She's always been on my shady Democrat list these past years.
It is about time she vote on behalf of the people who put her ass in office and made her five times richer then she was when Bush took office
The Democrats will always gave in the end and "cut and run" from the Republicans. Feinstein unfortunately is my Senator and I voted for her. However, I knew Pelosi was weak and a coward and voted last election for the Republican Repuke instead. Democratic leadership is really Democratic leadershit.
Either way, if you vote Democratic or Republican, it is still the same. War with Iran will bring political and financial armagedon finally to the US.
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