Happy Thanksgiving Day! 8)

The *magic bullet* that put the Military-Industrial Complex and the CIA "Cowboys" back in the driver's seat in the Executive Branch of the US government.

The GOP is sure lucky when it comes to unsolved mysteries, isn't it? I was shocked, I tell ya, shocked to see that photo where Oswald was gunned down by Jack Ruby. I mean, who would have thought that the law enforcement escorting Oswald would leave a WIDE OPEN PATH for a potential assassin.

If our government doesn't want people to be conspiracy theorists, maybe they shouldn't leave so many unanswered questions lying around.

The Times article mentions the Zapruder film, but not what it showed…i.e. that President Kennedy’s head was blown off from the FRONT, not the back and side
where Lee Harvey Oswald was positioned.

It only looks like that because of the way matter was ejected from the exit wound. The bullet pushes so much tissue out the whole, that the head goes back in the direction the bullet came from (for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction and all that).

Nick @ 13:

The Times article mentions the Zapruder film, but not what it showed…i.e. that President Kennedy’s head was blown off from the FRONT, not the back and side
where Lee Harvey Oswald was positioned.

It only looks like that because of the way matter was ejected from the exit wound. The bullet pushes so much tissue out the whole, that the head goes back in the direction the bullet came from (for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction and all that).

Sure didn't look that way to me the last time I shot a deer, city slicker, with all that fancy book learnin of yers.

Nick @ 13:

The Times article mentions the Zapruder film, but not what it showed…i.e. that President Kennedy’s head was blown off from the FRONT, not the back and side
where Lee Harvey Oswald was positioned.

It only looks like that because of the way matter was ejected from the exit wound. The bullet pushes so much tissue out the whole, that the head goes back in the direction the bullet came from (for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction and all that).

sorry...I ain't buyin this....you have to remember he was already hit and leaning forward and to his right, slightly.And certainly not from a distance and angle like that.The only way that all that brain matter could've exited that particular way,would be that the shot had to have come from a different direction and more from his right.Not from a higher vantage point and behind him..there were reports of 3 shots and Oswald did poorly on the qualifications for rifleman.And there were reports of 4 shots.The grassy knoll......No ....it is my belief that the Govt assasinated President Kennedy simply because he said he wanted all of our troops out of VietNam by 64.President Eisenhower warned the nation about the Military Industrial Complex.They are the ones who did it.

mudshark @ 19:

Nick @ 13:

The Times article mentions the Zapruder film, but not what it showed…i.e. that President Kennedy’s head was blown off from the FRONT, not the back and side
where Lee Harvey Oswald was positioned.

It only looks like that because of the way matter was ejected from the exit wound. The bullet pushes so much tissue out the whole, that the head goes back in the direction the bullet came from (for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction and all that).

sorry...I ain't buyin this....you have to remember he was already hit and leaning forward and to his right, slightly.And certainly not from a distance and angle like that.The only way that all that brain matter could've exited that particular way,would be that the shot had to have come from a different direction and more from his right.Not from a higher vantage point and behind him..there were reports of 3 shots and Oswald did poorly on the qualifications for rifleman.And there were reports of 4 shots.The grassy knoll......No ....it is my belief that the Govt assasinated President Kennedy simply because he said he wanted all of our troops out of VietNam by 64.President Eisenhower warned the nation about the Military Industrial Complex.They are the ones who did it.

Kennedy refused to go along with “Operation Northwood”!

Big John @ 15:

What is significant about the "magic bullet" is that the bullet found on the stretcher was intact and aside from slight deformation at the base, perfect.

Actually the bullet found on the stretcher only looks intact when viewed from the side. When viewed from the end, it was significantly flattened along its length.

Yeah and RFK wasn't killed by the CIA. Sirhan's bullets actually made a U-turn, and this 8-shooter somehow shot 11 bullets.

mudshark @ 28:

One thing that gets me is this,Why did the driver of the Presidents Car(secret service)wait until the President was mortally wounded.....(3rd or 4th shot..me..I think 4th) before jumpin on it?There's too many wierd things still left unexplained.And the Warren Commission was very similar to the 9/11 commission in my opinion.

There's always a bunch of guys willing to sweep the truth under the carpet for a price. And, IMHO, they are as guilty as the perpetrators of the crime.

sadsack @ 27:

People who use the term “tinfoil hatters” just show how ignorant and foolish they are.

please refresh my memory on Op Northwood....I can't remember that right now...I read about it years ago.oh....and I think I look good in my tinfoil hat...leaning to the left..as always.
I don't take that seriously"tinfoil hats" and all.Especialy on important matters like this one and RFK,MLK and 9/11,Iraq,Iran Contra...I think you know what I'm getting at...thanks in advance for the refresher.

sadsack @ 32:

Operation Northwoods, or Northwoods, was a 1962 plan by the US Department of Defense to cause acts of simulated or real terrorism and violence on US soil or against US interests, blamed on Cuba, in order to generate U.S. public support for military action against the Cuban government of Fidel Castro.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods

My God. That's 9/11

Don't understand the obession with JFK. He wasn't a very good president and never did anything to help any Americans.

Interesting that no one talks about his brother anymore.

ok gotcha......this was one of the things Eisenhower warned us of.This is why it was so important for Nixon to win that race.He would of done it.And there are plenty of Nixonites left around right now.Pat Buchanon for one.The whole premise for Op Northwoods was to get us involved into a made up war.....just like Iraq.

mo_dems @ 35:

Don't understand the obession with JFK. He wasn't a very good president and never did anything to help any Americans.

Interesting that no one talks about his brother anymore.

neither one of them lived long enough....and your obviously to young to remember what they were about.

mudshark @ 37:

ok gotcha......this was one of the things Eisenhower warned us of.This is why it was so important for Nixon to win that race.He would of done it.And there are plenty of Nixonites left around right now.Pat Buchanon for one.The whole premise for Op Northwoods was to get us involved into a made up war.....just like Iraq.

And that's why it was so important that Bush "win" in 2000. He and Cheney finally carried out the plan.

Jo @ 41:

mudshark @ 37:

ok gotcha......this was one of the things Eisenhower warned us of.This is why it was so important for Nixon to win that race.He would of done it.And there are plenty of Nixonites left around right now.Pat Buchanon for one.The whole premise for Op Northwoods was to get us involved into a made up war.....just like Iraq.

And that's why it was so important that Bush "win" in 2000. He and Cheney finally carried out the plan.

yep...it only took Nixon till 72 to sign the Paris peace accord and we didn't leave until april 15th 75.....this would explain Nixons paranoia.(bugging)

And you have to remember that Kennedy was against sending more troops in to Indochina(VietNam)and this was in early 63...He wanted to pull out our "military advisers"(covert CIA instuctors) and shut down that war before it ever really started...OH....and mo-dems.....look up US Naval Blockade of Cuba....aka...Cuban Missle Crisis.

Fords' posthumous book mentions the CIA coverup of the Kennedy assassination/coup.

"This book, actually authored by Gerald Ford, finally proves once and for all that the CIA, our government, did destroy documents and cover-up many facts that day in Dallas," publisher Tim Miller told Fox & Friends Wednesday morning.

sadsack @ 45:

Another “false flag” operation was “The gulf of Tonkin”.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_of_Tonkin_Incident

I still think those bombs that ended up strapped to those planes was the start of another false flag operation. Funny how the "suicide" rate went up just after.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/history/presidents/jk35.html This is for Mo-Dems.....just one of many....but this is an easy start.Of course if you go to a repug site and ask....you'll get a whole different story.So lets start with the easy one first. This is a short Bio from the White House regarding JFK.He actually accomplished quite alot for only being the President for around 1000 days

Truth Be Told @ 49:

Jo @ 48:

sadsack @ 45:

Another “false flag” operation was “The gulf of Tonkin”.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_of_Tonkin_Incident

I still think those bombs that ended up strapped to those planes was the start of another false flag operation. Funny how the "suicide" rate went up just after.

another funny point - why were the nukes attached to weapons points when a transfer in a cargo hold of a big jet is usually the method they are relocated for decommissioning?

agreed...they were destined for Iran.good thing an airman spoke up.......or we'd be in deeper dog doo than we are right now.

Joel Grant @ 6:

Urban legend. Arlen Specter did not create the single bullet theory, Dr. James Humes, in testimony before the Warren Commission, was the first person known to suggest that the bullet that hit JFK in the upper back and exited from his throat might have hit the guy sitting in front of him. That would be John Connally.

Several facts are incontrovertibly true:

1. JFK was hit in the back by a bullet. The entrance wound on the back had an abrasion collar, diagnostic of an entrance wound. The holes in the back of his suit coat and shirt were punched inward.

2. There was no bullet in his body.

3. There was a small hole in his throat that was used by one of the surgeons in Dallas to make a tracheostomy incision.

The only reasonable conclusion (that is, not a hallucinatory JFK conspiracy buff speculation) is that JFK was hit in the back by a bullet and the bullet exited through the front of his throat.

No bullet that could have been the bullet that wounded JFK was found anywhere in the car.

So - they asked Dr. Humes - what happened to the bullet?

It hit John Connally. Had it NOT hit Connally then it would have been a magic bullet. The bullet it was was an ordinary FMC military bullet that was designed to go right through a human torso, providing it hit no bone. This bullet hit no bone, did not deform in its path through JFK, but tumbled upon exit and hit Connally sideways, which is why he had an elongated sideways wound in his back.

The bullet took out almost 5 inches of his rib and punched an enormous hole in the front of his chest. After exiting his chest it did what such bullets reliably do after tumbling through a body (or ballistic gelatin, through which bullets are fired to simulate such a wound) - it dived down. It hit him in the wrist, went through his right wrist and made a shallow wound to his left thigh.

Nothing magic. Reproducible. Not Specter's original idea, but he was the one who developed it.

True ! Read Bugliosi's book--you can't refute truth with pot induced fantasy....

sadsack @ 45:

Another “false flag” operation was “The gulf of Tonkin”.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_of_Tonkin_Incident

thanks for this one....although I question Wiki for accuracy....I think this one is spot on.Thanks again....I'm savin this one.

I don't buy the magic bullet theory, although the Magic Bullet blender doo-hicky works rather well, but the position Oswald was in the book depository building was not an impossible shot for a skilled marksman to make, even with a bolt-action rifle.

Joel Grant @ 6:

Urban legend. Arlen Specter did not create the single bullet theory, Dr. James Humes, in testimony before the Warren Commission, was the first person known to suggest that the bullet that hit JFK in the upper back and exited from his throat might have hit the guy sitting in front of him. That would be John Connally.

Several facts are incontrovertibly true:

1. JFK was hit in the back by a bullet. The entrance wound on the back had an abrasion collar, diagnostic of an entrance wound. The holes in the back of his suit coat and shirt were punched inward.

2. There was no bullet in his body.

3. There was a small hole in his throat that was used by one of the surgeons in Dallas to make a tracheostomy incision.

The only reasonable conclusion (that is, not a hallucinatory JFK conspiracy buff speculation) is that JFK was hit in the back by a bullet and the bullet exited through the front of his throat.

No bullet that could have been the bullet that wounded JFK was found anywhere in the car.

So - they asked Dr. Humes - what happened to the bullet?

It hit John Connally. Had it NOT hit Connally then it would have been a magic bullet. The bullet it was was an ordinary FMC military bullet that was designed to go right through a human torso, providing it hit no bone. This bullet hit no bone, did not deform in its path through JFK, but tumbled upon exit and hit Connally sideways, which is why he had an elongated sideways wound in his back.

The bullet took out almost 5 inches of his rib and punched an enormous hole in the front of his chest. After exiting his chest it did what such bullets reliably do after tumbling through a body (or ballistic gelatin, through which bullets are fired to simulate such a wound) - it dived down. It hit him in the wrist, went through his right wrist and made a shallow wound to his left thigh.

Nothing magic. Reproducible. Not Specter's original idea, but he was the one who developed it.

As a forensic pathologist the only thing that can be deduced from your statements above is: You are an ignorant cretin who knows absolutely nothing about forensics or forensic evidence. The so called magic bullet that did the damage to two men, as you state above, was alledgedly found on a stretcher in a hallway at Parland Hospital in almost pristine condition. The probability of this bullet being in such condition is about the same probability that there are flaming monkeys flying out of your ignorant asshole as you are reading this, you fucking putz !

Well, is your asshole burning or not?

There's your answer.

Next case !

CSI NY @ 62:

Joel Grant @ 6:

Urban legend. Arlen Specter did not create the single bullet theory, Dr. James Humes, in testimony before the Warren Commission, was the first person known to suggest that the bullet that hit JFK in the upper back and exited from his throat might have hit the guy sitting in front of him. That would be John Connally.

Several facts are incontrovertibly true:

1. JFK was hit in the back by a bullet. The entrance wound on the back had an abrasion collar, diagnostic of an entrance wound. The holes in the back of his suit coat and shirt were punched inward.

2. There was no bullet in his body.

3. There was a small hole in his throat that was used by one of the surgeons in Dallas to make a tracheostomy incision.

The only reasonable conclusion (that is, not a hallucinatory JFK conspiracy buff speculation) is that JFK was hit in the back by a bullet and the bullet exited through the front of his throat.

No bullet that could have been the bullet that wounded JFK was found anywhere in the car.

So - they asked Dr. Humes - what happened to the bullet?

It hit John Connally. Had it NOT hit Connally then it would have been a magic bullet. The bullet it was was an ordinary FMC military bullet that was designed to go right through a human torso, providing it hit no bone. This bullet hit no bone, did not deform in its path through JFK, but tumbled upon exit and hit Connally sideways, which is why he had an elongated sideways wound in his back.

The bullet took out almost 5 inches of his rib and punched an enormous hole in the front of his chest. After exiting his chest it did what such bullets reliably do after tumbling through a body (or ballistic gelatin, through which bullets are fired to simulate such a wound) - it dived down. It hit him in the wrist, went through his right wrist and made a shallow wound to his left thigh.

Nothing magic. Reproducible. Not Specter's original idea, but he was the one who developed it.

As a forensic pathologist the only thing that can be deduced from your statements above is: You are an ignorant cretin who knows absolutely nothing about forensics or forensic evidence. The so called magic bullet that did the damage to two men, as you state above, was alledgedly found on a stretcher in a hallway at Parland Hospital in almost pristine condition. The probability of this bullet being in such condition is about the same probability that there are flaming monkeys flying out of your ignorant asshole as you are reading this, you fucking putz !

Well, is your asshole burning or not?

There's your answer.

Next case !

well.............isn't that sumthin?............let's not forget the bullet itself.the speed a bullet travels has a lot to do with the cartridge,how big it is,what kind of powder used,how tightly packed.and the bullet....lead,cooper,brass...but lets go back to the cartidge....you can't shoot a high powered projectile out of any old rifle.at least...not one from a mail order catalog.No...that takes a specialty weapon.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tower_Commission good ole repugs.....same old same old

sadsack @ 12:

Was George H.W.Bush in the C.I.A.when JFK was killed?
Zapata Oil, founded in 1953 by George H. W. Bush.
The CIA codename for the Bay of Pigs invasion of April 1961 was "Operation Zapata".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zapata_Corporation

And the ship that carried the landing force to Cuba was named the Barbara.

There are no concidences.

After Oswald was arrested, he made the statement "I am just a patsy". One day later he is gunned down while in custody of the Dallas police. A coincidence, I doubt it. Oswald was "used" by whoever hired him. Blame it on a Communist (ie. Oswald). Kennedy had too many powerful enemies. Any one of them had motive. When Bobby ran for President, he may have wanted revenge against his brother's killers. Of course, in a familar story, he is murdered by a "crazed" single gunman of foreign origin. Multiple shots are fired in a crowded hotel kitchen and a nice clean story is provided the american people. I don't think we will ever know who was responsible. btw- Bush Senior was in Dallas the day of the assassination, as was Nixon who had left on a plane that morning.

FactsOnly @ 77:

tyree @ 63:

the sience evidence brought to you by the us governments experts, yes i can see how it can be believed!

But of course! All scientists are now in employ of GW Bush and commute fro and back to work in Black Helicopters!

im sorry i didnt know all sientists had given you thier oppinion on it!

tyree @ 81:

im sorry i didnt know all sientists had given you thier oppinion on it!

As a matter of fact they did, they call it "publishing papers". Maybe you heard of it...

sadsack @ 82:

You have no common sense or reason so go back to school or do some research into what happened on that day before making a bigger fool out of your self!

Right, a whild-eyed conspracy nut tells me that I should do some "reasearch" and "go back to school". Funny stuff.

Here is one thing you can learn in school - Cardinal rule of science #1: extroardinary claims require extraordinary evidence to be provided by the claimant.

That means no innuendos, no coulda-woulda-shouldas. Hard scientific evidence, which can be examined by all interested parties and which can not be explained away with any other theory.

While the official explanation has tons of such evidence, you have precisely zilch, bupkis and perheaps some nada. Which is a position you share with the UFO abductee nuts.

This and some empty bluster.

CSI NY @ 62:

Joel Grant @ 6:

Urban legend. Arlen Specter did not create the single bullet theory, Dr. James Humes, in testimony before the Warren Commission, was the first person known to suggest that the bullet that hit JFK in the upper back and exited from his throat might have hit the guy sitting in front of him. That would be John Connally.

Several facts are incontrovertibly true:

1. JFK was hit in the back by a bullet. The entrance wound on the back had an abrasion collar, diagnostic of an entrance wound. The holes in the back of his suit coat and shirt were punched inward.

2. There was no bullet in his body.

3. There was a small hole in his throat that was used by one of the surgeons in Dallas to make a tracheostomy incision.

The only reasonable conclusion (that is, not a hallucinatory JFK conspiracy buff speculation) is that JFK was hit in the back by a bullet and the bullet exited through the front of his throat.

No bullet that could have been the bullet that wounded JFK was found anywhere in the car.

So - they asked Dr. Humes - what happened to the bullet?

It hit John Connally. Had it NOT hit Connally then it would have been a magic bullet. The bullet it was was an ordinary FMC military bullet that was designed to go right through a human torso, providing it hit no bone. This bullet hit no bone, did not deform in its path through JFK, but tumbled upon exit and hit Connally sideways, which is why he had an elongated sideways wound in his back.

The bullet took out almost 5 inches of his rib and punched an enormous hole in the front of his chest. After exiting his chest it did what such bullets reliably do after tumbling through a body (or ballistic gelatin, through which bullets are fired to simulate such a wound) - it dived down. It hit him in the wrist, went through his right wrist and made a shallow wound to his left thigh.

Nothing magic. Reproducible. Not Specter's original idea, but he was the one who developed it.

As a forensic pathologist the only thing that can be deduced from your statements above is: You are an ignorant cretin who knows absolutely nothing about forensics or forensic evidence. The so called magic bullet that did the damage to two men, as you state above, was alledgedly found on a stretcher in a hallway at Parland Hospital in almost pristine condition. The probability of this bullet being in such condition is about the same probability that there are flaming monkeys flying out of your ignorant asshole as you are reading this, you fucking putz !

Well, is your asshole burning or not?

There's your answer.

Next case !

Of course, people never mention that this was Dr Humes first Autopsy involving bullets before.

People should reallyt GoogleVid "JFK II". Its was clear now as it was in 1970, but after 911 it all came into place.

It comes out shockingly that the same people are involved. Kinda makes your skin crawl to know that the people who openly supported the nazi's and ran their bank even became CIA members and ended up having a direct hand in the assassination of one president and likely numerous false flag operations.

But nothing I say will do it justice.

Re: Operation Northwoods

Amazing---they considered faking the funerals also!

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"It is possible to create an incident which will demonstrate convincingly that a Cuban aircraft has attacked and shot down a chartered civil airliner enroute from the United States to Jamaica, Guatemala, Panama or Venezuela. The destination would be chosen only to cause the flight plan route to cross Cuba. The passengers could be a group of college students off on a holiday or any grouping of persons with a common interest to support chartering a non-scheduled flight.

a. An aircraft at Eglin AFB would be painted and numbered as an exact duplicate for a civil registered aircraft belonging to a CIA proprietary organization in the Miami area. At a designated time the duplicate would be substituted for the actual civil aircraft and would be loaded with the selected passengers, all boarded under carefully prepared aliases. The actual registered aircraft would be converted to a drone.

b. Take off times of the drone aircraft and the actual aircraft will be scheduled to allow a rendezvous south of Florida. From the rendezvous point the passenger-carrying aircraft will descend to minimum altitude and go directly into an auxiliary field at Eglin AFB where arrangements will have been made to evacuate the passengers and return the aircraft to its original status. The drone aircraft meanwhile will continue to fly the filed flight plan. When over Cuba the drone will being transmitting on the international distress frequency a "MAY DAY" message stating he is under attack by Cuban MIG aircraft. The transmission will be interrupted by destruction of the aircraft which will be triggered by radio signal. This will allow ICAO radio"

http://www.geocities.com/tetrahedronomega/index.htm

Interesting viewing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuzWy00JC6s

But wait....there's MORE!

well well i guess facts only leaveing has finnished this thread!

NTodd @ 24:

Big John @ 15:

What is significant about the "magic bullet" is that the bullet found on the stretcher was intact and aside from slight deformation at the base, perfect.

Actually the bullet found on the stretcher only looks intact when viewed from the side. When viewed from the end, it was significantly flattened along its length.

NOT TRUE...got a picture?

tuffstuff @ 3:

if you belive that, ive got a great story about 18 arabs who hijack some planes and crash them into buildings

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The SBT has been proven plausable, in a test performed in Australia and aired on the Discovery Channel.
If you watch the Zapruder film at play speed, both men reflexively react in unison, in a manner consistent with their non fatal wounds.

Big John @ 15:

What is significant about the "magic bullet" is that the bullet found on the stretcher was intact and aside from slight deformation at the base, perfect.

As any experienced gun owner could tell you there is NO possible way such a bullet could have struck any one or any thing. Rove had it right, the US lives in a world of make believe and artificial realities.

The bullet had to have been planted to make a positive link between Oswald rifle and the crime, much like the magic passport refered to in post 11. The question is why such a material link is "needed"

hmmmmm....

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The bullet was dented flat at the base. That is not a slight deformation. I am not aware that any experienced gun owner would say that there is no possibilty that bullet hit anything.

The bullet in the Discovery channel test was intact. It hit two ribs and was thus dented more, but if it had struck only one rib, the dent would have been similar to that of CE399.

mudshark @ 28:

One thing that gets me is this,Why did the driver of the Presidents Car(secret service)wait until the President was mortally wounded.....(3rd or 4th shot..me..I think 4th) before jumpin on it?There's too many wierd things still left unexplained.And the Warren Commission was very similar to the 9/11 commission in my opinion.

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The Secret Service agents were on the follow car. Greer slowed down the limo just prior to the fatal shot.
While Greer never said he did so, i think he slowed the limo down so that the agents on the running board could run up to the limo and determine what was going on. He should have hit the gas, but it is easy to say that in hind sight.

JFK Zapruder film / stable.

Note the motorcycle cops look up at the knoll and almost hit the limo as it breaks.

Sadly, the magic bullet did not have quite enough magic in it to reach that awful guitar playing kid so many years later.

The trolls are out on every string. Reminds me of an old saying of the blogger at ADE. You know you are over the target when your drawing fire. Anybody know what is up over there he has not posted for eons?

Congrats to all! Very interesting and intelligent comments by both sides of the question. Name calling was kept to a minimum ( Hey Charles-not everyone that argues against the accepted opinion is a troll), and both sides were presented with some thought. Happy Thanksgiving to all!

damn....I lost my comment....well anyway.....I agree with Ron.j

Nothing to see here....move along!

Posthumous book claims Ford knew of CIA coverup in Kennedy assassination. LINK
Did the CIA orchestrate a cover-up in the assassination of President John F. Kennedy?

Acting Patriotic @ 232:

From the mouth of E. Howard Hunt ~ http://www.saintjohnhunt.com/testament.html
(CIA agent / Watergate burglar)

"In Howard Hunt's near death confession to his son St. John, he revealed that key figures in the CIA were responsible for the plot to assassinate JFK in Dallas, and that Hunt himself was approached by the plotters. These men included the CIA's David Atlee Phillips, Cord Meyer, Jr. and William Harvey, as well as future Watergate burglar Frank Sturgis. Sturgis later discussed the whole plot with Hunt, when they were both in prison after Watergate. Hunt also revealed that LBJ was both behind the plot and had recruited the CIA men to carry it out."

we live in a fucked up world.

mudshark @ 234:

Acting Patriotic @ 232:

From the mouth of E. Howard Hunt ~ http://www.saintjohnhunt.com/testament.html
(CIA agent / Watergate burglar)

"In Howard Hunt's near death confession to his son St. John, he revealed that key figures in the CIA were responsible for the plot to assassinate JFK in Dallas, and that Hunt himself was approached by the plotters. These men included the CIA's David Atlee Phillips, Cord Meyer, Jr. and William Harvey, as well as future Watergate burglar Frank Sturgis. Sturgis later discussed the whole plot with Hunt, when they were both in prison after Watergate. Hunt also revealed that LBJ was both behind the plot and had recruited the CIA men to carry it out."

we live in a fucked up world.

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Yes, we do, when someone would make a false deathbed confession.

Ron.i....go back to# 220

mudshark @ 245:

that was me at #4 lizdexic

not @ the original #4....@220

Ron.j @ 252:

mudshark @ 242:

Ron.j @ 240:

mudshark @ 234:

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Yes, we do, when someone would make a false deathbed confession.

why would you say that this is a false deathbed confession?.....please provide proof...as in a link or something similar.

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There is a litany of people that have claimed or were claimed to have been the actuall killer of Kennedy.

Back in the 1990's, Frontline ran a three hour program on Lee Harvey Oswald, which concluded, "in the end, there was only Lee Harvey Oswald." This was followed by a program in which a lawyer for a crime boss, whose name excapes me, claimed after the crime boss had died, that the boss was involved with the Kennedy assassination.

There is usually a pattern of buzz names. In the confession above, President Johnson, who is dead and cannot defend himself, is named as the big Kahuna. A ruthless Johnson wanted Kennedy dead, yet dejectedly said he would not run for President in 1968? What ruthless man would give up power that way? The story simply does not pass the smell test.

but the question remains.......and he was gun ho to get us into Nam.....but like I said.....the question remains.

geezzz..c'mon.....get real would ya

Mudshark, i note your agreement, re 220.

As to the backward movement, note that JFK's right arm jumped up and fell down as he began to move back and to the left. A muscle spasm, i would presume. While it is not something provable, i think other muscles spasmed at the same time, causing his body to jerk backward. As he was leaning to the left, once he lost conciousness, he would have fallen to the left. At the point of impact, the head lead the body, in terms of movement. The same was not true when he went backward. The head was not being knocked back and to the left, with the body following.

PEACE mudshark ~ http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2007/07/peace.jpg

but the question remains.......and he was gun ho to get us into Nam.....but like I said.....the question remains.

perhaps you have a weak sense of smell...........not on this one bud.

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There will always be questions. There are many secret documents that have yet to be made public.

Johnson had a tape recordeer in his office, however. The one that nailed Nixon on Watergate.

Some years ago, a clip was publicized, which was recorded after the Gulf of Tonkin incident. In it, Johnson opined that Goldwater would call him a coward if he didn't do something. That sort of a comment does not sound so gung ho, regardless that he reversed JFK's scaling down, after he was assassinated.

Not quite sure what you mean in saying, not on this one, bud.

I have seen many fishy stories of claims vis-a-vis NOV 22.

James Files claimed to be the fatal shooter, a Corsican named Sarti was claimed to be, in The Men Who Killed Kennedy.
A book by a man named Saul, claimed he was on the sheriff department roof and fired the fatal shot.
There was Roscoe White. The claim by the lawyer for a crime figure. The claims of Judith, who said she had an intimate relationship with Oswald.

The Hunt deathbed confession fits the mold.

sorry about that ....clerical error

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Ron.j @ 264:

but the question remains.......and he was gun ho to get us into Nam.....but like I said.....the question remains.

perhaps you have a weak sense of smell...........not on this one bud.

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There will always be questions. There are many secret documents that have yet to be made public.

Johnson had a tape recordeer in his office, however. The one that nailed Nixon on Watergate.

Some years ago, a clip was publicized, which was recorded after the Gulf of Tonkin incident. In it, Johnson opined that Goldwater would call him a coward if he didn't do something. That sort of a comment does not sound so gung ho, regardless that he reversed JFK's scaling down, after he was assassinated.

Not quite sure what you mean in saying, not on this one, bud.

I have seen many fishy stories of claims vis-a-vis NOV 22.

James Files claimed to be the fatal shooter, a Corsican named Sarti was claimed to be, in The Men Who Killed Kennedy.
A book by a man named Saul, claimed he was on the sheriff department roof and fired the fatal shot.
There was Roscoe White. The claim by the lawyer for a crime figure. The claims of Judith, who said she had an intimate relationship with Oswald.

The Hunt deathbed confession fits the mold.

funny thing LBJ dissapearing into obscurity after he left office.None of this PROVES anything......again.....Oswald could not of made that shot.

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It proves people make up stories. If Sarti was the killer, Saul, Roscoe White and Files could not be. All the stories have certain commonalities. The Hunt deathbed confession contains commonalities to other stories.

LBJ did not seek the lime light. He died about 4 years after leaving office.

I have not found any evidence as to why Oswald could not have made the shot. The shots occured at a distance of less than 100 yards. There was a clear view form the window after Zapruder frame 110.
The limo had slowed down as of the fatal shot.

have at it......I'm outta hear..

Have the people posting here watched the Zapruder film? Have they seen the final shot blow JFK's head open, with his scalp and brain matter flying backward and to his left, covering Jackie with blood? Have they seen the projectile(s) strike JFK's head above and forward of his right ear?

If so, do any of you honestly believe that shot could have come from Oswald's rifle? At the fatal moment JFK's motorcade was directly downrange from the Book Depository (no angle, because the road had curved back to the left). Would someone who supports the Warren Commission please explain to all of us how a projectile could change course in mid-air, or how a shot from directly behind someone's head could drive the victim's brain from a 2 o'clock to an 8 o'clock position relative to Oswald's location?

and lastly i contend cheny was not concerned about destroying the repig party by being destroyd , thier was to much at stake , as the yrs have shown, billions in cash , billions in oil, and possibly if things had gone right a repiglican lock on the office of the presidency for yrs to come, so the risk was worth the trying, thiers allways thoes with no immagination that will poo poo thoes who can see farther then others can , some cant even see beyond thier nose,

that was "If you want to rule out".....and I think I look good in my tin foil hat.......leaning to the left....as always

I really wonder, if our Government was so super powerful that it could pull of the assassination of a President, wouldn't it have done a better job at overing it up? I mean really, look at the website your reading, our government is incapapble of some of the most basic processes and you think we could bring down the World Trade Centers and kill a President? Sometimes I really wish our government was as capable as these people think is is.