I wonder when the Right Wing Blogs will call the Clinton/Hostage story a Plant?
By John Amato Thursday Nov 29, 2007 2:41pmWe don't know much about this story yet, but the thought crossed my mind that the right wing blogs would call this story some kind of Clinton plant. And guess what? Here they come...
That comes from one of the commenters at HotAir. There is also another one from HotAir and one from Malkin's site (click thumbails for full size) .
Malkin is deleting like crazy. How does it feel, Michelle? You've attacked left wing blog comments for years and played the good old victim role perfectly. And you have such a tightly controlled commenting policy, where people must be invited to comment, unlike C&L where anyone can comment.
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Honestly, some on the left would be doing the same thing if it were one of theirs. It's the name of the game.
I hope it turns out well, and no one is hurt.
What a pack of lunatics, still crying that a DEMOCRAT MAY HAVE BEEN ABLE TO ASK A QUESTION AT THE DEBATE. OMG!
I'm not a fan of judging any blogging community by the comments section. Any old douche can post there and make the whole group look bad...even Kos or CandL has irresponsible, dumb comments from time to time, it's not really the operators' or community's fault.
Just as I'm sure right-wingers questioned the timing of terror-alerts to coincide with pivitol elections. Oh, wait... Never mind.
the gop and the repugs never let you down.
they will stup to the lowest level and then fall even lower.
I'll get the wingnuts started: Vince Foster has come back from the grave to get his revenge!!
I'm not a right winger but *I've* been wondering if it's a plant too.
I think she's as divisive as Bush, and I don't know why EVERYBODY (right & left) seems to be shoving her down the electorates throat.
I swear to Jebus, If a story came out stating that Hillary Clinton narrowly averted being struck by lightning, these CON-trolls would attribute the near-miss to Gods "Liberal Bias".
Sluggirl @ 4:
Terrorist alert = apples
Hostage situation = oranges
Hannity will probably take first shot tonight, followed by Limbaugh tomorrow.
hannity and limbaugh are they doing each other these days?
It took all of two minutes for the hardcore woo-woos to do the same thing in the most visited conspiracy theory message board:
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message469150/pg1
And yes...I am Bat Schlitz Crazy. Just not that crazy.
Dr. Who @ 9:
True, but claiming one or the other was done for timing/publicity purposes = politics
L.A> Confidential, it's probably a Hannity listener.
One of the people writes "question the timing" and how different from the oft-asked question "qui bono" which some seem to think holds the answers to all questions from 9-11 to whatever else. Fortunately our legal system has never adopted the idea that "motive" (however questionable, as in this particular case) is sufficient to establish guilt.
Must be odd to go to a board with paid shills to talk with other paid shills and the occassional computer literate bumblefuck who drops in becuase you espouses the same racist attitudes as they try and paint a different version of the world than reality.
Words never cover up the truth. There are no two sides. There is the VICTIMS (THE PEOPLE, THE POOR) and the CRIMINALS (THE CORPS, THE RICH).
Two sides just gives more airtime to the criminals.
I must admit that this is so much in the vein of Clinton drama/saga. I pray that it is a plant and that no one gets hurt.
Looks like Dennis uses multiple monikers.
George W Bush was right, it is us against them. Our 70 percent vs his fascist 30%. Americans must unite against this divide and conquer administration and their enablers. America has come to that.
Evel Knievel is dead.
Seriously, what purpose does this kind or article serve? We know there are lunatics on both sides of the political aisle that will say just about anything about any situation.
It just kind of baffles me when C&L constantly bitches (rightfully so) and moans about how the MSM gives airtime to people like Malkin and Glenn Beck and their outrageous opinions, and then goes ahead and posts something like this.
rmb @ 19:
I WISH we had 70%, but I think we just barely squeak with a majority... And that's only when people are sick of the war. If this "rah rah we're winning in Iraq" line actually works, I fear we'll lose our power. As long as people have the bread and the circus, and as long as they themselves are not asked to sacrifice, they'll root for a strongman.
Maybe I'm a bit of a pessimist...
And the folks here were practically praying for such a blog comment to appear. Who knows maybe the Right's 'plant' theory was planted by someone from around here. Hell, maybe I'm a plant too. Enough already. This level of discourse gets more disappointing every day.
Peace.
Someone at Hannity.com's forum started a similar thread already.
STUNNING BREAKING NEWS!
It's Ron Paul trying to prove to his base that he is no liberal schill after Kucinich's recent praise!
I swear, Republicans have to be some of the stupidest fuckers on the planet!
The childish uproar on the right about republicans being asked questions from American citizens merely points out that even they do not consider the candidates adults but defenseless uneducated ill-equipped children. Definitely not Presidential material.
As to the hostage situation being a political ploy to divert attention from the fact that the right does not respect republicans candidates as adults they should be thankful something else more important as limited the amount of damage they are generating for the republican candidates.
Minstrel @ 23:
Although you've left this comments section and thus will not read this(?) I think you're correct. I'm not sure people were "praying for such a blog comment to apear" (especially not us of the Atheist persuasion;-) but I think we've grown to expect cynicism about EVERYTHING. It's hard not to be a cynic -- on either side -- with the way things have become in the political realm.
I dunno, geez, is it possible, golly, I hate to speculate, but could it be that Rove told Bush to order Mukasey to assign an assistant A.G. to 'take out' Clinton, because the latest Scurvy poll for the RNC showed Clinton beating any republican opponent by more than 30 points in a general election?
And could the assistant A.G. have 'misunderstood' the assignment, and drawn a 'suicide bomber kit' from the CIA, strapped it to his body, marched into the Clinton campaign office without checking to see if she'd be there, and then, realized that blowing up 'innocent' campaign workers would be against even the Cheney/Bush modified laws in effect for the duration of the 'war against terrism', and also realizing that he was a gutless, wimp, coward of a lawyer, gave up in order to save his life in case the CIA had provided Rove or Bush with a remote detonator for the 'suicide bomber kit, strapped to his ass?
I mean. it may seem a bit far out, but could anyone claim for sure that it didn't happen this way?
BTW, guys, you give the pundits way less credit. There's no need to call the person a plant. Just point out that "if Hillary and the Democrats weren't so soft on terror, this wouldn't be happening to them." ;)
How many years of jail time do you think he'll get for this stunt? A plant? LOL
I wonder if the pigs will tase him and cause him to blow up!
Minstrel @ 23:
Classic reich-wing apologist. Good job, you've mastered your craft.
When a major right wing blogger or TV/radio personality makes this kind statement that news. This is not and it demeans us. They seem to be deleting them as fast as they can over there.
A lot is going on. A dem could've just as easily made a post like that as a republican would have. Bottom line, anyone trying to blame sides in this beends to put downt he political kool-aid for awhile. There are people in there, and their lives are hanging on the whims of some whackjob. Lets just hope those people get out of their safe.
There will be plenty of time to spin and play politics with this event later.
*Breaking*: Holy F*CK, Evel Knievel is dead!
A little more info.
Dr. Matt @ 35:
Who's Evel Knievel...?
Preacher Boob @ 29:
Hahahahahahaha!!!!!!!
Bushes Murica'
Never mind, I just looked up this Evel fellow, so you don't have to tell me who he is now, kthxbai.
Freerepublic - "He was planted" posted 12:37:30 PM PST
That's quick. The planted theme is going strong. And then there's one post that speculates that the guy is either:
1) War Vet
2)Anti-abortionist
3) FILL IN THE BLANK.
I'd fill in freeper. Like that one mm fan that mailed fake antrax to KO.
According to reich-wingers: 9/11 Truthers are moonbat loons, but Clinton planting this guy is completely plausible, realistic, and quite likely.
Reich-wingers really are the lowest common denominator.
Sluggirl @ 36:
You just aged yourself....let me guess, 26, 27?
What I want to say is that George W Bush and his enablers have demonized independents, liberals and progressives who consist of a majority of Americans. George Bush is in no way our president. He does not care about our values or laws.
George W Bush has created this hateful mentality in our nation on all sides. He and Rove have politicalized every inch of our government from the miliotary to the dept of justice.
I think we ought to plant some Obama campaign material in the guy's home just like I wanted to do to McGovern when that guy shot Wallace. Hopefully the local PD isn't there yet. They messed up my plan last time. Get Gordon on the phone!!!! The last thing we need is for the people to find out that our supporters are a bunch of nut cases.
Honestly, we should all be fucking afraid of ourselves. Not to mention ashamed.
The first thought of waaaaayyyyyy too many people - both left and right, and don't fucking deny it - is that this is the fault of "the other."
The only thing that has been made public to date about the sick asshole doing this is that he:
-entered a public place
-claimed to have a bomb strapped to him
-is threatening the lives of innocents to get what he wants
and yet the left is crying "McVEigh" and the right is crying "plant" and far too few are crying "WHAT THE FUCK?"
Lest you think that I am absolving myself in all this, my first thought was this must be some moron ditto head or some "Hannitized" idiot who took the "Stop Hillary Express" to loony ville.
But the truth is, no matter what this asshole's motivations, he is INSANE - not political.
We need to reclaim our humanity from those who would politicize everything.
-Louis Macneice, "Prayer Before Birth"
This is not a time to be scoring points on the back of a tragedy.
My prayers for all those involved.
Faux news is being extremely kind on their show about the hostage situation!! Weirrrd.
They just talked to a friend of the man inside the building. He said his friend thought the Gov. had implanted a chip in his brain and were out to get him. He also said that he was involved in a Libertarian group and had opposite views of Liberals. He said he had fallen on hard times and was living in the woods.
A kid in his 20's that they interviewed said the man said he had been in the Army.
Does Faux ever get confirmation on these things?
I agree with Michelle Malkin. We need to deport anchor babies like Michelle Malkin.
I got my two cents in on the ABC website.
Of course what with what the devalued dollar is worth now...
Dr. Matt @ 35:
Will he have to pay for his Evel Evel ways?
nick @ 43:
Faith in humanity as a whole without hating on the opposite political party is not tolerated here. The sitemonitors will b here to ban you shortly. Site Monitor: Your attitude is not appreciated.
http://tesla.liketelevision.com/liketelevision/images/lowrez/evelknievel...
Classic paranoid schizo!!!! We need to reopen A LOT of nut houses for all the right wing nuts and stock up on lots of thorazine!
ysbaddaden @ 49:
Isn't that G.Hamilton from the movie?
I'm just depressed. I really believe we are on Mars and NASA keeps sending missions to Earth. Really.
BTW: this is what the righties are going to do with this: use it as commentary on Hillary's ability to thwart terrorists. I kid you not.
From TP: "UPDATE: “Local police are believed to be negotiating with a man described as a well-known local resident with a history of emotional problems who told his son to ‘watch the news today.’” 3:42 pm | Comment (54)"
The man's name is Leland Eisenberg or something according to MSNBC.
According to Fox News, the little baby jesus is punishing wicked liberals.
Evil Knievel...the gene pool is richer for his demise. Strap his corpse to his motorcycle and blast it into space! We would have wanted it that way...rest in pieces.
I truly wonder if these aren't the same kind of right-wing fanatics that conspired to kill the president over fourty years ago?
44 Years After JFK's Death, New Assassination Plot Revealed
Just Three Weeks Before Dallas, Feds Uncovered Plot to Kill JFK in Chicago, Says Ex-Secret Service Agent
The presidential motorcade through Dallas a few moments before
John F Kennedy, 35th President of the United States, was shot.
(Library Of Congress/ Getty Images)
By CHUCK GOUDIE, WLS-TV
Nov. 22, 2007
A former Secret Service agent has told WLS-TV there was a plot to kill President Kennedy in Chicago three weeks before he was assassinated in Dallas.
Kennedy was murdered on Nov. 22, 1963. Today is the 44th anniversary of JFK's assassination.
Lee Harvey Oswald would never have had the chance to kill Kennedy in Dallas, had an assassination plot in Chicago succeeded three weeks earlier, a plot that has been mentioned over the years.
Kennedy was due to arrive in Chicago the morning of Nov. 2 to attend the Army-Air Force football game at Soldier Field and ride in a parade. Newspapers had even printed JFK's detailed travel plan from O'Hare airport to the Loop.
Although police were preparing to line the motorcade route, Secret Service officials in Chicago were deeply troubled about the visit because of two secret threats.
Right-wing radical and Kennedy denouncer Thomas Vallee had arranged to be off work for JFK's visit; Vallee, an expert marksman, was arrested with an M1 rifle, a handgun and 3,000 rounds of ammo. But then there was the phone call to federal agents from a motel manager concerning what she'd seen in a room rented by two Cuban nationals.
"Had seen lying on the bed several automatic rifles with telescopic sights, with an outline of the route that President Kennedy was supposed to take in Chicago that would bring him past that building," said former Secret Service agent Abraham Bolden.
Bolden, 72, of Chicago, was a young agent in 1963. After a few years as an Illinois state trooper, Bolden joined he Secret Service and was invited by Kennedy onto the prestigious White House detail. He was the first black agent assigned to protect a president.
Bolden recalled how agents bungled surveillance of those two suspected Cuban hit men. They disappeared and were never identified.
"No one was sent to the room to fingerprint it or get an ID. The case was lost and that was the end of it," Bolden said.
On Nov. 2, the president was about to leave the White House for Chicago and Bolden says a Cuban murder squad here was unaccounted for.
"The morning of the game, the special agent in charge of the Chicago office called the White House and recommended the president cancel his trip to Chicago," Bolden said.
News reports stated that Kennedy didn't show because he was ill or because of a diplomatic crisis. Official investigations of JFK never determined why the president canceled Chicago Nov. 2. But in his first interview in 44 years, Bolden said JFK stayed away because of an imminent threat.
Bolden said the president didn't come to Chicago because he was basically waved off by the Secret Service, and it wasn't because he had a cold.
Information about Vallee, his similarity in appearance and background to Oswald and details of the Cuban hit squad in Chicago were never given to federal agents in Dallas.
Bolden said the information was not known to have been passed on to Dallas.
In a book that Bolden wrote with his wife, due out in the spring, he will cite another contributing factor in the JFK murder: on-duty drunkenness by Secret Service agents.
"I told the chief of the Secret Service this, that if anything happens, an emergency situation develops with President Kennedy, that their reflexes are going to be in a condition that they won't be in a condition to respond, and Dallas, Texas, proved I was right," he said. "The president's life was in grave danger because of the inefficiency of security around him, too many weaknesses."
"When that bullet struck the head of the president, it struck me too because I saw it coming," Bolden said.
When the Warren Commission began investigating JFK's assassination, Bolden says, he attempted to inform members about the Chicago plot and misconduct by his fellow agents.
During that time Bolden was arrested and prosecuted for soliciting a bribe from a counterfeiter and served a six-year sentence. He says it was a setup to silence him. The main witness has since recanted, and Bolden hopes now to clear his name.
A spokesman for the Secret Service in Washington said that officials "would not have any comment whatsoever about Mr. Bolden's statements."
http://www.abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=3902495&page=1
Did a radical right-wing group deliberately conspire to assassinate the president of the United States?
more clinton updates
http://news.google.com/nwshp?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&ncl=1124329795&...
I admit the thought that it might be a plant had crossed my mind...but my take was that it was most likely a right-wing plant intended to intimidate Hillary into withdrawing from the Presidential race...a not-so-veiled threat to the effect that there might be more to come and worse unless she pulls herself out. In all honesty, there are more than a few Republicans out there who despise Hillary with absolutely every last fiber of their beings -- so much so that I think some of them would do anything in their power (and yes, I *do* mean ANYTHING...even engage in an act of terrorism or threaten to do so) to keep her from being elected. Let's face it...what this man has done IS an act of terrorism or at the very least a threat to carry out an act of terrorism, yet I'm willing to lay odds that this won't be included in the charges if and when he gets taken to trial (provided that he gets taken alive). How many political candidates can you think of in this country who have had to deal with a hostage situation at one of their campaign offices? I can't think of any, which is one of the reasons why I see this as a very disquieting development. I've said this on at least one other thread, and I will say it again here...to my way of thinking, both Clinton and Obama owe it to themselves and to this country to select good running mates. If either one of them succeeds in being elected President (despite my predictions to the contrary), I don't think it's at all impossible that some right-wing nutjob will make an attempt at assassination -- and when I first heard about this incident, it struck me that perhaps this was intended as a message to Hillary saying "back out or else!"
I share the same thoughts as nick. Can't people (left and right) wait a few damned hours before hurtling shit at each other?
Farking monkey house sometimes....
Thing Fish @ 51:
Yep
But I like him best here:
http://images.ask.com/fr?q=george+hamilton+as+dracula&desturi=http%3A%2F...
It goes without saying that holding hostages under the threat of death as a ploy for distraction from the rights faux rage over a registered republican (who happens to be a Clinton supporter) asking a question at a supposed public debate, would take a lot of dedicated on part of everyone, especially of the guy with a snipers laser painted on his forehead now.
Unless of course they SWAT team and entire legal system of NH is on it to, those devious bastards!
I suppose he could have been expecting a 'loyalty oath' document to sign when he approached the clinton campaign, like he's used to on the neocon side.
curious @ 7:
Oh give me a damn break people. How many pointed lies about Hillary specifically does one have to demonstrate, before people shove off this crap of "scandal" supposedly always surrounding them?
A PLANT? An armed man with hostages? Jesus H. Christ, we're doomed.
"People in danger! But what about the political consequences?"
What do you suppose we should worry about first?
Bart @ 58:
Your attitude is not appreciated by the sitemonitors
You nailed it! Wait until Rush Limbaugh on Monday!
IgnoranceIsNotBliss @ 53:
did he specifically say was 'Faux Snooze'? They have wall to wall coverage on it, blocking out bad news on the wars in iraq, afghanistan, the breakdown of relations with china, and the ever increasing recession.
Bushies cannot stand the truth, so they just change the subject.
Curious, HERE, try being curious about the right-wing leanings of the most of the nutjobs doing all of this crazy crap:
Chad Castagana - http://www.answers.com/topic/chad-castagana
Cho - Virginia Tech murderer
Tim McVeigh
These people are unhinged...when was the last time you've EVER seen a liberal blow up an abortion clinic, or praise the police for unnecessary force?
It's ALL part of the republican/neo-conservative/chest thumping ignorant mindset.
THE END
Gimme a break. That's one comment out of almost 200, and it doesn't wish violence on anyone. Your "GOTCHA!" mojo is weak.
It's not like they're wishing death on someone, ya know, like wishing Cheney was killed or something horrible like that. Oh wait, that was HuffPo.
I hope this will be resolved with not one death...
Okay, before one more person questions the "timing" of this event, I'd like to point out that politics are so corrupt these days that there is basically ALWAYS some scandal or unpopular policiy occurring that politicians might want to direct attention from, so the "timing" of ANY event these days could be suspected of being a distraction.
Josh @ 67:
If you haven't watched it, this reveals a lot about what the neocon PNAC bush doctrine adminstration's agenda is trying to do in 'amerika'.
An interview with Naomi Wolf about the 10 steps from democracy to dictatorship!
http://courtofimpeachmentandwarcrimes.blogspot.com/2007/11/its-judiciary...
this is pathetic. Why do we give 5 seconds to comments posted on some Repub web site? I mean, come on people... there are nuts on this site who post ridiculous comments too!
Don't we have better things to spend our time doing? It's not like there's no war going on, or that I can't pay my bills now because of 3 layoffs, or that my health insurance is $900/month.
I'd like to think we're the 'higher ground' types.
I'm left wing and I'm calling it a plant.
That was specifically referring to Hot Air btw. Yes, I know the Freepers are insane.
99 @ 74:
And I'm calling you a vegetable.
FreedomOfInformationAct @ 72:
Another interview
Author Naomi Klein: America is succumbing to fascism
Nick Langewis and Mike Aivaz
Published: Saturday October 13, 2007
Author Naomi Klein sits down with Bill Maher to discuss her new book, The Shock Doctrine: The Rise of Disaster Capitalism.
The Shock Doctrine shares a sentiment that, while corporations are engineered to profit off of situations, planned or otherwise, the United States under President Bush has corporations opportunistically poised to collect taxpayer-funded payouts from disasters such as 9/11, Katrina and the Iraq occupation.
Calling it the "mission statement of the Bush administration," Klein says that politicians are seeing themselves as facilitators between disasters and their friends in the private sector. Each time there's a disaster, says Klein, politicians use the "shock" felt by the citizenry to "push through a further privatization agenda" with little opposition.
"In New Orleans," continues Klein, "it's the privatization of the school system, the public housing. After September 11th, it was the launching of a new economy in privatized homeland security, and in Iraq it's the Blackwater economy--The worse things get in Iraq, the more privatized--and profitable--this war becomes.
So it's not about the corporations taking advantage; we expect corporations to do that. It's about the politicians who think the government should be an ATM machine and just transfer wealth to their friends in exchange for a deposit in the form of campaign contributions."
"But you're talking about our government and corporations as if they're two different things," quips Maher. "Now, we all know that communism is when the government takes over private business. But, when corporations take over the government, that is what has been defined as fascism.
Do you think that's where we're at?"
Klein agrees, adding: "You could call it crony capitalism, you could call it corporatism; but it certainly not the free market."
"And, the irony is," she continues, "it's the free market ideology that gets used to propel this vision forward which has absolutely nothing to do with--it's not free for anybody but the contractors..."
Governments have historically colluded with business to manipulate the public after traumatic events, says Klein; The Shock Doctrine, she says, aims to prepare the public for the next disaster, as to not remain vulnerable to big business and big government.
The following video is from HBO's Real Time with Bill Maher, broadcast on October 12, 2007.
http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Naomi_Klein_explains_how_we_willingly_1013...
ysbaddaden @ 59:
How does a vampire get a suntan?
Listening to AM radio. Right now the big news items are:
Evil Knevil dead. (and if anyone else says who all I can say is "get off my lawn!").
Fire season over in SoCal, start of mudslide season.
So much for the hostage situation.
For starters, that's my comment... And note that Malkin and Bryan both took issue with it. But as I repeatedly explained, all I'm saying is that I'm saddened by the fact that the increasing deception of the Clinton's prevents me from just looking at this as "some nut" from the get go. I'm not speculating, as to who he is (especially since we now know he's some conspiracy theory nut), and I always thought it unlikely that he was a "plant", I'm just disappointed that it's come to the point where I can't dismiss the possibility.
Now, if you want to whine about comments, I suggest you go to the Huffington Post where they're listing "Republican terrorists" including Jesus (?). They're blaming "talk radio", and Limbaugh's drug us. They're blaming Fox news for creating a "fascist" state, they're blaming Bush, etc. etc. And these are 90% of the comments.
FreedomOfInformationAct @ 72:
Thanks..I've heard of Naomi, but haven't done much about reading it...I'll check it out.
In the meantime, this is great regarding fascism in America...12 signs
http://www.mvp-seattle.com/Pages/pageFascism.htm
With a clarification to my comment, I do not believe republicans are all nuts.
I DO think that pushing this whole fascist schtick attracts people who are ALREADY on the
edge, and it just pushes them off. It's Hitler, 2007. 1)Create enemy, 2)Build nationalism to
a crescendo, 3)encourage people to spy on each other, 4)call neighbors your enemy, 5)Skip your medication, and BAM! Cho, Mcveigh, and this nutter in the Clinton campaign office.
Anybody locate Karl Rove today?
bill @ 54:
Let me quess, he too was told by his "God" to do this- just as Oral Roberts son...this has to be all time greatest scheme ever. You know what, some pundits will now start the meme that this is just the start-alot more to come if Clinton occupys the WH. Maybe he thought it was an abortion clinic, who knows, but this is type of behavior that is unacceptable in our society.
I will not comment on this one till I have more information. An FBI profiler on CNN did say there are ssuch things as "hostage hoaxes" in reference to when no bombs or weapons are found on the person holding others hostage.
I do not know what went down, but it seems like the person who was the hostage taker had some emotional problems.
I think its unfortunate and irresponsible of the media not to make a disclaimer that not all people who, suffer from mental illness resort to criminal or violent behavior. I wish for once the media/press would be responsible and ethical and point this out. Mental illness covers an array of disorders, which in most cases, directly harm the individual himself/herself. I am tired of the underlying and automatic stigmatization of people with mental illness in our society, unless they happen to be celebrities or media personalities---then we are all supposed to listen to their stories. I will continue to expose media hypocrisy and stereotypes when it comes to the issue of mental illness and surrounding issues. Perhaps, the government should stop cutting so many programs for the mentally ill and stop treating many of these mental patients as criminals and get them the help they desperately need so a person like this does not cause others any pain.
This person's behavior is not inexcusable by any means and he should be held to account and obviously is severely disturbed. Commitment indefinitely to a mental hospital and proper care and medication would be a great start, but in today's America he will most likely get that care in a super-max prison and just become worse.
It is an unfortunate and sad situation, but these kind of situations do not happen in a vaccuum.
I hope those held hostage are okay and will say a prayer for them. Adios.
Josh @ 80:
Agreed, there are only about 11 percent of Americans who still follow this admins wag-the-dog lead, and they are of the philosophy of 'the ends justifies the means' mentality.
They are what's wrong with America, and they have been spending the past 7 years attempting to force the rest of the populace to their fanatical beliefs.
Well, we have had enough! Impeach Bush AND Cheney NOW!
RightWinged @ 79:
Rightwinged...here's my problem:
1)Clinton was accused of pandering to people in the south a few months ago, with a 'fake accent.' Watch the clip, and oops, she was using inflection for a short reading..she wasn't giving the SPEECH in that accent. LIES that are so obvious...but once again, it adds to the national collective conscience that she's a rotten lady
2)The general Kerr who is registered as a republican, a member of the log cabin group, and "who hasn't donated to any political campaign" is tied to Clinton, so therefore his legitimate question becomes swallowed up because of the CLinton name.
It's DISGUSTING...no one will ever ever ever tell me that as many powerful republicans hate the Clintons that during all 8 years of his Presidency that ALL that money (much more than Clinton has ever had, or will have) and all that power and all that energy and nothing else has surfaced?
BS!!!!!!!!!!!
FreedomOfInformationAct @ 84:
Public sentiment for impeachment expands
Submitted by davidswanson on Fri, 2007-11-30 21:30. Impeachment
By John Kaminski and Gary Higginbottom, Brunswick Times Record, Brunswick, Maine
The percentage of Americans favoring impeachment of President Bush and Vice President Cheney is approaching the percentage who favored impeachment of President Nixon in 1973-74.
Public opinion has reached this high level even before Congress has started any impeachment investigation of the Bush-Cheney administration. The public is way ahead of Congress, suggesting that it is time for the U.S. House of Representatives to move forward with the impeachment process.
In October 1973, a Gallup Poll results showed only 28 percent favored Nixon's impeachment and removal from office. That was after a summer of well-publicized Senate Watergate Committee hearings.
Just nine months later, the day before Nixon resigned, nearly two-thirds of Americans believed there was enough evidence for an impeachment trial, and 55 percent thought Nixon should be removed from office.
That is how drastically opinion shifted once Congress acted and revealed the full extent of Nixon's abuses of power.
Now, without any impeachment investigation by Congress, we already see the public's desire for impeachment action approaching the level that led to Nixon's departure from office.
Now, 55 percent of Americans believe that "President Bush has abused his powers as president, which rise to the level of impeachable offenses under the Constitution," and 34 percent believe he should be removed from office.
For Vice President Cheney, 52 percent believe he committed impeachable offenses, and 43 percent believe he should be removed.
Perhaps most telling is that 64 percent of Americans believe that President Bush has abused his powers, and 70 percent believe that Cheney has done so. Polling was conducted by American Research Group Inc., on Nov. 9-12.
Maine people feel much the same way. According to a recent poll by Critical Insights Inc., 40 percent of Maine adults say they favor "the U.S. House of Representatives beginning impeachment proceedings against Vice President Cheney," and 38 percent against President Bush.
Not surprisingly, Maine Republicans and Democrats differ substantially on this matter. Among Maine Democrats, 58 percent favor impeachment proceedings against Cheney, and 54 percent against Bush.
One in six Maine Republicans favors impeachment proceedings against Cheney, and one in eight against Bush.
Maine independents are about evenly split on the impeachment of both Bush and Cheney.
By any historic gauge, the nation clearly believes that we have a major problem with our president and vice president, although the Democrats in control of Congress have refused to even start an impeachment investigation. They are dismissing the sizable portion of citizens calling for Congress to act as the Constitution directed to keep presidential power under control.
The Constitution gives Tom Allen, Mike Michaud and Congress the tool of impeachment to address the problem that a majority of Americans now recognize. This impeachment tool is designed to keep our rulers' power in check — to prevent drifting into a situation of absolute power by an individual or a small controlling group.
Impeachment is the tool being demanded by 43 percent of Americans who not only recognize the problem, but even call for the drastic action of removing Cheney from office.
House Democratic leadership is acting in a timid and irresponsibly political fashion. Likely, they want to keep the Republican executives in power and all Republican politicians "on the ropes" until the 2008 elections. Or perhaps they misguidedly believe that there are more important activities for Congress than heeding this historically strong demand to address these obvious abuses.
Whatever the motivation, Democratic congressional leaders continue to shirk their oaths of office by allowing the executive branch to ignore laws and plan expanded warfare without congressional authorization.
Public opinion and Constitutional responsibility are commanding congressional Democrats Tom Allen and Mike Michaud as strongly as in Nixon's day.
Will they recognize the strength of public sentiment and the dire condition of our nation and take the required corrective action of impeachment investigation? Or will they choose to ignore the call and allow present and future presidents to control the people and their representatives — an authoritarian power that the Constitution directed Congress to prohibit?
John Kaminski is a Topsham resident and chairman of Maine Lawyers for Democracy. Gary Higginbottom is one of the founders of the Maine Campaign to Impeach.
http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/?q=node/29053
I wonder if this guy is a home grown terrorist. If he is like the last two home grown terrorists we have had he is a republican. republicans are such stupid cowards that is easy for them to make the jump from human to terrorist.
never ever trust filthy stinking lying republicans.
OMG has red alert been issued nationwide?? Is George going to invoke emergency martial law provisions he has thirsted for since taking office? If nasty Dick Cheney going to address the nation and blame it all on Iran?? You can't fool me Evil Kenivel is really a screaming bible banging snake handling TV evangelist from down south. Hmm
Josh @ 87:
I have absolutely no idea what your point is? Seriously, I really don't understand what you're trying to say.
ysbaddaden @ 78:
Make it broccoli, please.
This guy is a suicidal nut-job. His bomb turned out to be road flares. Plant!?! Who would agree to do this??? Chances of getting taken out by a sniper are very high.
A crazy man obsessed with the clintons takes hostages using a bomb?
Has duhbya been drinking again or is he just off his meds? Who's turn was it to handle the president today? Condi, Addington, or Cheney?...without Karl and Scooter, who takes fridays?
Darth_Romney @ 57:
Hey, I just researched this Evel guy, and you may not know but he is bound for glory (Praise! Hallelujah!) It says on Wikipedia that he conveniently accepted Christ as his personal savior April 1, 2007 (April Fool's Day? Hmm...) So can it with the "blast him into space" stuff. He will be escorted unto the clouds by winged cherubim...
By the way, we aren't "invited" to comment there, most wait for open registration. I emailed requesting an account and was readily given one.
Plus, I'm pretty sure you delete comments from time to time as well.
Point taken. Notice we did not delete yours, ha. - Sitemonitor
Sluggirl @ 22:
Maybe....read this: Why I am an Idiot!
Anyone calling this a plant is stupid, as the latest update of his ID has proven them to be. Unless of course the Clintons had been secretly beaming message from satellites into his brain to control him to do just this act when they needed... needed what exactly?
What would the clintons need desperately enough to do this.... now.. which would out weigh the damage to their careers, never mind this election, if it blew up in their face both literally and figuratively.
99 @ 91:
You mean so Bush Sr. will stay away?
nick @ 45:
Great post. We should all stop a minute and think before we speak.
A.Citizen @ 96:
Boy I hope that info is correct, and we're becoming more progressive... It just seems so far that every time I dared to hope, my hopes were dashed to smithereens. Even with the last election, with the takeover by the Dems, my hope that something would be done to end the war, to restore habeus corpus, to once and for all state that the U.S. will NEVER engage in torture or extraordinary rendition or false imprisonment or... Well... I'm still waiting... I try to maintain faith in My Fellow Americans, but... Of course it doesn't help that I live in San Diego, an uber-conservative Mecca...
mo_dems @ 20:
Holy Smokes! Evel Knievel was a hostage at the Clinton headquarters? What a scoop!
The republicans are only showing how desperate they are. They know they are going down in flames in 2008 and are clutching at straws to try to flame and flare.
Fran Taylor @ 92:
Exactly. I'm not so sure there was a sign up sheet for "crazed hostage taker with bomb" helper .
nick @ 45:
Except for the hostage taker that you decide is an "asshole". As also noted in news reports the guy is known to have mental/emotional problems, just got a divorce request. If anything he sounds just like the guy who wanted to assassinate Nixon back in '72.
Thing Fish @ 104:
Makes me think of the chilling Peter Gabriel song FAMILY SNAPSHOT (links to lyrics)
The funny thing is that Malkin's editors have been aggressively scrubbing the comments, so you know that this screen cap is just the tip of the iceburg.
RightWinged @ 80:
I listened to right wing radio on occasion and the hate speech is overflowing. Expressions of hatred of Hillary is intense. Sean, Bill, Rush and others encourage this outpouring of hate and spite, and give comfort to people who believe that the Clintons have destroyed the universe.
Worse, in Dallas, I occasionally run into people who listen to these stations all day long. I've learned to drop political talk with them, as I've nearly gotten into a fistfight with a couple that realized quick that I didn't worship George Bush. Anyone on the right is too far left for some people.
Our politics and media is all about divisiveness and hate. The right promotes and revels in it. It keeps their base loyal. Shared paranoia unites people against the world. It's a matter of faith and religion to some.
Josh @ 81:
Good, I'm not the only one who sees it this way.
Satan Himself @ 3:
Yep. Totally agree. It was wrong for O'Reilly. Wrong for us.
Sluggirl @ 105:
Yea, Arthur Bremer. And Hinkley was another one. More like lost souls than assholes.
RightWinged @ 80:
Please explain what you mean by "increasing deception of the Clinton's."
The moment I heard the news, I had two thoughts. I hoped that no one got hurt and that is solved peacefully. And I also immediately thought that someone on talk radio or FUX News was going to say it was a Hillary conspiracy. I mean, it's always truly just a matter of time, isn't it?
If Disney can take the cash they did from the Heritage Foundation, et al to create and show a propaganda film of how 911 was Clinton's fault, what else would I expect from any and all of the lemmings who follow this culture of extremes?
I am looking forward to the day when we will all collectively pull our heads our of our asses.
Sluggirl @ 98:
Precisely. Back when he was the war criminal in residence I dreamed of locking him up for life on a diet of broccoli and water....
breaking: MSNBC is showing the guy take off the bomb and surrendering to police.
Umm...can anyone tell me what Hillary would have to gain by sending a "plant" to hold her own office hostage? Are there really sympathy votes out there that would be swayed by something like this?
(Translation: Obviously NOT a plant)
RightWinged @ 80:
So? Reich-wingers spend 24/7 blaming libruls for everything and calling them terrorists....suddenly you reich-wingers take offense? Wimps.
Crazy man goes into office with what could be a bomb, and takes people hostage.
Becomes a battle between the left and right on the internet.
What a sad sad country we live in.
Hotdammit, people.
Is it so hard to understand that when the nation is descending into a repressive and violent, fascist banana-republic, that people are cynical and paranoid? Are they really paranoid, when time after time, the Bushco and corporatist mafia has proven that it is actually after the ideological opposition, and use all kinds of Machiavellian tricks to get their way?
Of course, the remaining authoritarians loyal to the kind of authoritarianism of DLC-propped up Hillary-types are the ones remaining.
So what you have left is a bunch of comments where everyone are passing judgment towards the "official enemies", and not thinking one step beyond that.
A friend told me that America was the land of one-liners. If you can land a successful one-liner with a witty punch line, you can be crowned the "king" of any situation. It seems to be true. Thus 99% of all the posters here try to do exactly that. However, it has become unofficial rules of conduct that any aggression and wittiness is turned towards the official "enemies", all Republicans, and it's so comfortable to think that all things evil stem from the other side. I don't blame the forum owners or moderators for this as much as I blame the ideologically blinded people acting like a mob in here shouting down "trouble makers".
These people are missing that they themselves has sunk into a mindset of arrogance that dismisses any challenging ideas as crazy talk and propaganda. Thus, just like Republicans 8 years ago, a lot of people in here are very vulnerable to manipulation.
Take a good look in the mirror. Time for Americans to realize that blind authoritarianism is the true ideological enemy, and it has been imprinted in people's minds across the political spectrum.
A lot of insecure individuals just want to be considered "normal", and they show it by repeating what they hear from authority figures, even in a blog like this. (yeah, John Amato is a figure of authority). It sucks to see people on a blog historically known for its free thinking and discussion generally react with fear and ridicule to any notions that don't belong in the official narrative.
I think being a bit paranoia towards Mrs Clinton, and generally all other candidates is only healthy after being on the brink of being a full-blown dictatorship and police state, after 8 years of destructive rule from people who took power in the smartest state coup in history.
Those who immediately dismiss speculation about things that go on as BS conspiracy theories, obviously don't see what a grave situation the nation (and the world) is in.
Here is some simple LOGIC to try and see if Hillary has the ability to stage a false attack on herself, and, I will use Saddam Hussein to prove it;
It was proposed by some that Saddam had WMDs. When the US invaded -- no WMDs were used against us. Then the theory was; Syria had the WMDs (as if Saddam thought he could survive a US invasion and strike back at a later date -- that's fricken' confidence!), and yet, Syria did not use any WMDs against an Israeli invasion. Simple logic states that if you are attacked by an overwhelming enemy, you use what you've got and apologize later --- dead is dead.
So, did Hillary or Bill Clinton disappear folks, stop any investigations, during that 7 years when Kenneth Starr was hounding them? No. And the "travelgate" and the FBI background check papers, all ended up getting dropped at the White House where an investigator could find them -- it doesn't seem like they got even soiled toilet paper out of the White House. So, if Hillary or Bill had any resources REMOTELY like finding a stooge or running a false flag operation -- they would have done it by now.
That is, if they aren't working for George Bush. If they are, what are the NeoCons complaining about? These punks beat up on everyone, make accusations, and totally ignore the RED HANDED corruption from their own realm. I'm not voting for Hillary -- but shut up with the speculation you jerks. You haven't EVER presented something against them that stood the light of day -- unlike the volumes of accusations against George Bush. One is not like the other, and because you keep speculating about Liberal dirty deeds, doesn't mean that anyone forgets the ones we catch you on. So, the record shows that some Democratic (leaders) are shifty, and most Republican (leaders) are dirty, stinking thieves and cowards.
So that is the record. I wish to hear no more about this. This is final. The end.
My 2 cents:
Guy is paranoid schizophrenic, chooses high-profile location to enact his drama, which tells me he's definitely seeking attention for himself. What better way than a front-runner candidate's campaign office, since he never would have made it into the governor's office.
You can bet your life that no one in the room right now gives a shit about the partisan comments of anyone on television, radio, or the blogosphere. All they want is to make it out alive and be back home, safe, with their loved ones.
RightWinged tell us something we don't know... the Clinton's both he and she are dishonest.
Of course, we know moonbats don't do anything like this...well, except for that whole Randi Rhodes thing where the leftists claimed the attack had to have come from "right-wingers" (blah, blah, blah...). Hypocrites.
Local deranged man gets a nice warm winter in the asylum.
I want to add that it is very unlikely that Mrs Clinton would be behind this, even though she will probably benefit from it. Better put out that fire before the Politically Correctness Police start shouting at me.
celsius @ 124:
Guess that should be "Political Correctness Police", or alternatively "Politically Correct Police". Please excuse a European for his randomly bad English. :]
What the hell did this guy accomplish but getting himself thrown in prison for the rest of his life? What a f'n moron.
I sincerely hope there's not any loss of life and that all hostages are freed unharmed. Make no mistake, she's a lousy, divisive candidate whose presence in this Presidential campaign is detrimental to our nation itself - but that's far less important than the safety of people who, in their own sad and deluded way, were trying to do what they felt to be the right thing by perpetuating the Clinton-Bush stranglehold on the White House. Foolish, but not something for which someone should pay with their life.
well, except for that whole Randi Rhodes thing where the leftists claimed.....
yeah, all one of them.
Heard them say that the guy they got was complaining about the Mental Health Care
problems. Here is your 'staged set-up'. Hillary wants Universal Health Care, and this
hostage crisis will give her a 'BOOST' in her campaign message. We already know that
Murdoch has her back...........so, so staged.
its a damn shame that the right wingnuts are using this for propaganda,thats the kind of siftboating bll clinton was talking about when he mentioned it after the msnbc debate. Obama took it personal. the repugs will do that to any dem.
this is so sad . people will be in danger to work for a campaign. and the repugs and the hillary haters on both sides can go to HELL.
lucid fiction @ 129:
Hope you are just joking...if not, your are not only a fool, but a tool that needs sharpening.
did they check his pockets for karl roves or jeff gannons phone number?
Neoconservative Nepotism again displays its ugliness and absence of professionalism for all to see.
Courtesy of Lucianne Goldberg's Obese Little Boy at National Review:
Re: Sit-Rep In NH [Jonah Goldberg]
David writes:
The alleged bomber in Rochester, NH is a local man with a history of mental illness....
Who will be shocked to hear that he's miffed his video was cut from the CNN YouTube debate?
11/30 04:07 PM
John P. Normanson. Lucianne Goldberg's Obese Little Boy. Examples of why Neoconservative Nepotism remains the greatest threat to democracy, freedom, and American excellence by the sweat of one's own brow and the merit of one's own ideas.
I was thinking the opposite: that the hostage taker was planted by the Giuliani campaign to distract from what would have been a busy day of ShagGate (or SchtupGate) stories. I guess that's why I'm not a wingnut.
Talk about stating the obvious, Hillary just said that her campaign staff was 'Very relieved' that the hostage situation had ended'
'Very Relieved'!?
What else could they be, after pissing in their pants all day?
All you Democrats that think another Democrat has a better chance of winning the White House better WAKE UP FASSSST!
The Republican Crime Syndicate will stop at nothing to totally DESTROY the character of ANY DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE.
The Clintons know how to beat these right wing freaks. The beat them in Arkansas and beat them nationally.
HILLARY CLINTON 08
DEMOCRATS NEED TO GO WITH WINNERS!!!!
One thing that is clear about this incident: It will be bad for the Democrats.
Wow. Some of you guys over here are just as fucked up as they are over there. It's both sad and revealing at the same time.
99 @ 113:
Yeah. Makes it funny now that I look back on HIS reign with nostalgia. Everything is colored by perspective. Could it be that those were thew "Good 'Ol Days"?
I hope someone can help me out to be sure this accurate - because based on MM's own website it would appear she called this act a "stunt" ... but then one of the three or so synapses she may possess kicked in ... thought better of it ... and deleted her own statement:
It's all here:
http://michellemalkin.com/2007/11/30/report-armed-man-takes-hostages-at-...
But I'll cut to the chase for you:
On November 30th, 2007 at 2:21 pm, watershed said:
#14
Good lord, are you serious? A stunt? What’s wrong with you?
On November 30th, 2007 at 2:25 pm, Michelle Malkin said:
Shed, what you talkin bout?
About a stupid comment I deleted.
Don’t be stupid.
What a wierd thing to say ;)
Gekke @ 141:
Yea. Where'd you pick it up?
Mrs Clinton expressed relief last night that the siege had ended peacefully and her staff and volunteers were safe. Speaking in Washington DC she said: "It's been a difficult, but eventually gratifying day. -- http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/international.cfm?id=1879382007
Ah. Here it is in a Reuters article.
In English its normal to use a semicolon before words like: but, however, nevertheless, yet. Commas should be used for short stops. I'd have to hear her say it; but written this way: "It's been a difficult; but eventually gratifying day, the way it worked out." is not weird. It's English (which, granted, is a pretty weird language).
Does this sound like anyone else you know?
DeLay's health care lie (Nov 12, 2007)
Worst Person: Tom DeLay described the U.S. health care system saying, "There's no one denied health care in America."
http://www.olbermann.org/ko/index.cfm
I imagine Hannity's and Gibson's ravings are what prompted this guy to do this in the first place, but liberals will just use the situation to take jabs at Hillary.
the black diaper babies are always ready to remix old Scaifeian Arkansas Project conspiracies
John, this is ridiculous and you should be ashamed of yourself for participating in this silly "comment mining". You know damned well that you can find loony comments and conspiracy theories on both side of our political divide. When Malkin says something off the wall and stupid (you know, only on days ending in "Y"), that's fair game, but digging into comments is just silly.
Thing Fish @ 142:
I found thaqt nuget on the bbc website :)
eventually gratifying day
Wow! The Dems haven't pulled that stunt since Bobby Kennedy in the Ambassador Hotel in '68.
As far as plants at debates and rallies....I remember lots of this for the last seven years. "Mr President. I want to thank you for your great leadership and taking the time to answer questions from simple folk. I think your the best president this country has ever had. Do you think that the liberals and the Democrats have caused as much harm to this country by killing babies, defaming our troops, and ruining the good future that God has blessed us with?"
Anyone at anything Republican is a PROP.
plants aside, she sure used her time on the networks didn't she? Hilary wasn't event there, why does she have to have this big overblown press conference? So lame, she's corrupt, look at what happened with peter paul and stan lee.
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