Romney's 'religion speech'
By Steve Benen Sunday Dec 02, 2007 7:21amJohn F. Kennedy spoke to the Greater Houston Ministerial Association on Sept. 12, 1960, and made a powerful case that his administration would be neutral on matters of faith, hoping to assuage fears that his Roman Catholicism would be a problem in the White House. This week, Mitt Romney will also travel to Texas for a very similar reason.
Mr. Romney plans to give the address, to be called Faith in America, at the George H. W. Bush Presidential Library in College Station, Tex., 80 miles from Houston, the site of Kennedy’s speech. His campaign is calling it an opportunity for him to “share his views on religious liberty, the grand tradition religious tolerance has played in the progress of our nation and how the governor’s own faith would inform his presidency if he were elected.” […]
Suspicions about Mr. Romney’s Mormon beliefs, which many conservative Christians consider to be heretical, have dogged his candidacy since it began, with many polls showing that large numbers of Americans would not vote for a Mormon candidate. The announcement comes a week after Mike Huckabee, a former Baptist pastor whose rise in the polls in Iowa has been fueled by evangelical Christians, began running a television advertisement that describes him as a “Christian leader,” which some viewed as a jab at Mr. Romney.
A senior Romney campaign official said the address is “not going to be a lesson in Mormon doctrine” but rather “an open discussion of how important and critical faith has been and is in Romney’s life” and “how faith is what shapes our values.”
This idea is almost certainly going to fail -- for political and theological reasons.
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The landscape has changed some since Kennedys speech. Catholic Bishops threaten pols who don't tow the line. Religion is laying siege to separation of church/state.
“not going to be a lesson in Mormon doctrine”
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Damn! I wanted him to talk about magic underwear and the planet he's going to rule with his wife when they die. :(
Mormon doctrine is pure comedy. Yeah, no wonder he doesn't want to talk about it. Now don't get me wrong, all religion is a joke, but Mormonism is on another level.
The Fourth Amendment is gone thanks to the demagogues - now one's Christianness is becoming a litmus test for the Presidency among the right wing evangelicals. Will we soon see a demand for an amendment repealing the First Amendment and replacing it with a requirement that the President be Christian?
Another key fact is Romney is "no Jack Kennedy" as the immortal line goes.
What gets me about this is that Romney's announcement is getting a lot of attention whereas Huckabee's ad should put a cold chill down everyone's back. A Christian leader, one who disbelieves in evolution and who does Bob Newhart routines about talking with God on his cell phone, would be an offense to religious freedom and a horrifying situation for the U.S. Its terrible now, what about a guy who will consider his job to minister from the White House and that a little more love for Jesus is the basic ingredient to all good policy. Romney is pure lies and positioning, but the ad being tagged as a proximate cause for the speech is what should have people talking.
you'd think knowing history would keep us out of the dark ages and away from the "crusades"..... but we are talking repugs here folks....
My cousin's wife was raised Mormon and I can tell you the more I hear about it the more it sounds like a cult, like Scientology, and I can just imagine how it sounds to a Christian or one who says they are a "Christian". As for the right wing fundamentalists thinking Romney is A ok....that is laughable. Tolerance of other faiths is not what they are about at all, as any sane person knows.
Romney is going to fall 10 points immediately and be irrelevant in the Republican party before South Carolinians are ready to vote. Evangelicals and Mormons are like cats in a bag. Don't get me wrong I am looking forward to the carnage, but the logic behind making this speech escapes me.
The interesting thing is that if the evangelical reaction is exceedingly brutal Mormons may begin a swing to the left where their religion might not be embraced, but it won't make them targets of religious bigotry.
I don't know...He might pull it off...Kennedy did and on the list of things to hate,Catholics were right up there...
And on a side note, that Ben Stein ad for his upcoming film makes me laugh. It calls intelligent design a 'smart new idea'. Orwell, take note...
Rather than a speech, Mr. Romney should simply cue up the South Park episode about Mormonism. That, at least, won't try to gloss over the pure kookiness of Mormon theology, but might get the message across that Mormons are nice people, no matter how crazy they are. But my guess is that he won't touch on Joseph Smith's found gold tablets or any serious discussion of theology. He'll try to paint Mormonism as nearly evangelical and fundamentalist.
We had some Mormons in Michigan long ago, a splinter group heading West took control of Beaver Island in Northern Lake Michigan. The leader proclaimed himself King of the island, so far as i know, the only King in American history. It all went fine until the Irish Catholic loggers and trappers on the mainland got tired of the Mormons. They went to the island and literally drove the Mormons into the sea. A few of the colony were saved by a passing navy frigate. There's probably a lesson in that story for Mr. Romney.
His speech still won't change the fact that he is stupid. How did he ever get elected Governor of the blue State of MA?
Will his speech help him? Probably not.
Will he get nominated? Is Batman a transvestite? Who knows?
Are a lot of Americans dumb as a box of sticks? You betcha, if the idea that 49% are so gullible and so easily stampeded that they voted to re-elect the Bushite Junta holds any credence.
I suffered through a segment of some clotheared game show where one contestant was asked what European country has Budapest as its capital. She didn't know, but thought "Europe" was a country.
People like that woman are going to get Romney or Huckabee elected.
The Wanderer @ 12:
The movie Idiocracy becomes more and more relevant everyday...
Everything thing I know about mormonism i learned from SouthPark: Episode 712 - All About Mormons? Watch it, it's brilliant.
Every mormon I've met has been a really nice person.
I wish Romney's speech would go: Belief in invisible old man in the sky is no basis for choosing a president. Better you should vote for me cause I got executive style hair. Thank you and good night.
I know pretty much diddly about both the Catholic religion and the Mormon religion.
Considering how bizarre some of the conservative christians are, I doubt any amount of talk from Mitt will make a hill of beans difference to them. They don't have to stretch to support Huckabee, but it would take some effort for them to support Mitt.
Buy all the small denomination gold coins you can and prepare to lay very low for the next SEVERAL YEARS....
...also, "GOOD LUCK".........
Willard 'Mitt' Romney worships a CONMAN!
"Dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, DUMB!"
Do we really care what he says?
The message of conservative Christians:
Mormons bad.
Morons good.
Filthy Harry @ 14:
South Park says it all!
Filthy Harry @ 14:
Cartoons say the darndest things!
As the link states, modern conservatives do not want some candidate to tell them how their non-sanctified-religion will not influence public policy. They want religion to influence public policy - it just has to be their particular brand of religion and therefore the candidate must be a member of their particular religion.
So this country has come full circle since the early sixties, when JFK had to convince people he accepted separation of church and state. I wonder when (or if) the Repubs will realize what a monster they have created.
Two thoughts: 1) Kennedy stressed that his religion would NOT interfere with decisions he made as president. Romney, as a "conservative Christian" will have to stress how his religion WILL influence his decision making processes as president. 2) Once he makes his speech, the whole issue of Mormanism, with all of its quirks and strange conventions, will (and I would argue should) become "fair game" for revelatory discussion. I think he's in a "lose- lose" situation here and it couldn't happen to a more disingenuous guy!
Translation of Romney's 'Religion' speech:
'Please don't hold it against me that I'm an idiot Mormon. I was born into it. Should the 'Sins of the Father be borne by the Son'? I think not. I'd quit being a Mormon, and become something sensible, but I'd be accused of Flip-Flopping. Sometimes I think there's no way to win in a political race'.
Not for you there isn't, Boyo, not in this presidential race, Try running for High Priest, in Utah.
The Wanderer @ 12:
It appears to be too late, but we should have had these signs made since we were founded:
"Give us your poor, your tired, your huddled masses longing to be free...but don't give us your village idiots."
Watch this: LINK...
...then tell me if we should care what Mitt has to say.
"luv u"-Hugh Hewitt's text message to Mitt on thursday
Don't sneer at the Mormon religion (or the 72 virgins thing either). Remember that Christians including Mormons, believe that there's going to be a glorious guy sitting on a descending cloud and he's going to come down to Earth to rule with righteousness for a thousand years. And all the bad peeps are going to die and the good peeps are going to live. You believe that don't you?
Uhm let's see A moron appeared to Joseph Smith er.. I mean and Angel named Moroni appeared to Joseph Smith and told him where to find golden plates near his home which no one else could ever see but he would use to write the book of Mormon. Then they all girded their loins with truthful underwear. LMAO!
In 1978, the Mormon Church got a revelation from God that Negroes were no longer a subhuman species. This proves that Romney's religion is progressive.
randron @ 19:
Yep, and I'd bet that Kennedy wouldn't have said that he wouldn't consider a qualified muslim (or someone of any other religion) at a high position in his cabinet just because there aren't a lot of them.
... and if any republican get elected president I will give up all hopes for the future of this country and for the intelligence of it's population.
idiut @ 23:
Don't forget meat eating predators will eat grass and eveyone will get along, it's just so warm and fuzzy!
Apples and oranges. Catholicism was so hated in this country for it's diversity. The WASPs hated that and the so called Puritans. The mixing of races and ethnicities. That made the blood boil. Matter of fact little has changed to this date.
The problem is he is going to state: It's not OK to prejudge me on my faith, but it is entirely OK to judge people who have no faith. And he (and his ilk) is not going to see the problem with that.
I'd love to see Dennis being sworn in with his hand on his vest pocket edition of the constitution.
Towel heads and Mormons Jesus why can't they all keep it to themselves?
There was a misspelling - it should read George H. W. Bush Presidential Liebrary. I'd hope that many people would insert the "e" in the right place.
I could tell in the last debate that Romney looked exactly like a deer in headlights when asked if he believed in the bible verbatim. Duh, he doesn't believe in God any more than I do but it makes for political gain so he's doing it.
Aww so sad Rommie.
Don't feel too bad, the average religious mook won't vote for an Atheist either even if he or she would be the otherwise perfect candidate. This is despite the fact that all the Christian religious types for the last what, thirty years or so have essentially fucked over the American public in one way or another? Even Jimmy Carter, who despite his modern charitable work, could have made a long term investment in moving us away from fossil fuels and he didn't and now we're paying the price in the destruction of our democracy.
I'm from Massachusetts originally and I'm offended not only that this con-artist was slick enough to get himself elected governor, but also that he's somehow trying to cast himself in the same light as JFK! I'm disgusted that ANYONE'S even giving this charlatan serious consideration to lead this country! Romney is a joke, a liar and an opportunist and while that's standard fair among politicians, Romney raises it to a level that would even make Huey Long puke!
fairy dust and imaginary beings @ 32:
I could tell in the last debate that Romney looked exactly like a deer in headlights when asked if he believed in the bible verbatim. Duh, he doesn't believe in God any more than I do but it makes for political gain so he's doing it.
I won't disagree with that, but!.....The eighth Article of Faith
http://www.lds.org/library/display/0,4945,106-1-2-1,FF.html
of the LDS Church states: "We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly; we also believe the Book of Mormon to be the word of God."
If Mitt had actually repeated that, he would have been denounced far and wide. Thus, the deer in the headlights, as you say.
#35. I read those and wonder why he would be denounced. He should have expanded on those items, actually, if he really stood behind them and let the chips fall where they may. Why let a presidential race get in the way of his religion?
hate groups are getting more and more popular. even our constitution doesn't seem to be able to prevent them, however illegal, from being discussed. most of the 'candidates' are members of various hate groups, and you hear their hatred almost every day about how it makes them superior.
religion does not have a part in government, ha. reality doesn't have anything to do period.
I have no faith, yet I have values... try again, Mitty...
It's funny to me that evangelicals could possibly be prejudiced against a person because of that person's crazy beliefs. The irony is truly staggering.
"I feel like starting a harem, moving west, killing people and taking their land. Should I join an existing religion or start my own?" - B. Young, eighteen something.
Mitt's surprising "religion" speech:
My fellow Americans, after careful consideration and a re-reading of the Book of Mormon, Bible, and Koran, I have come to the logical conclusion that ALL RELIGION IS A DANGEROUS SHAM. We all make mistakes in our lives, and one of mine has been in believing crack-pot ideas handed down generation after generation by half-literate sexist pigs. Now, I'm not saying Mormonism is any more idiotic than Catholicism or Islam or the Urantia Book....I'm simply saying that I have come to the clear and unmistakable realization that mankind is plagued by delusion and denial. It is time now to put aside these superstitions, to tear down the churches and other so-called "holy" places, and move toward an enlightened and secular society. Elect me as you next President and I will build the highest and strongest wall between church and state.
All religions are myths created because human beings can't stand the idea that they don't know why/how/or what they're here for. The people who create these myths usually start out as just a little nutty, but as soon as they figure they can use the myth to exploit the masses and get rich and comfy, well, we know what happens - just look at the recorded history of the world.
The genius of the Constitution is that it finally granted people the right to believe whatever myth they chose, but insisited that the rule of secular law would be paramount - as it should be.
"Lord, please, if you're out there and really care about us, send us a true, intelligent, honest person to lead us from this frickin' mess. And, kindly restore the Constitution of the United States of America. Amen and thanks a lot."
There's going to be a hell of alotta dumbass going at the pappa shrub presidential library.
The sheep will most likely follow him. BaaaaaaAaaaaAa
A speech about religion by Romney? Good! There's no way he'll get away unscathed: the press will spin it to his disadvantage no matter what he says.
This is some great comedic material
Anyone got Lewis Black's phone #
Does reality seem a bit skewed to anyone else or am I the only crazy person here.
"Suspicions about Mr. Romney’s Mormon beliefs, which many conservative Christians consider to be heretical"
...er...uh...the conservative xtian nuts think everything and everybody is heretical.
that and huckabee talking to 'god' about gathering 'armies' for god...jeez..
kiva
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StirFry @ 44:
It's going to be a Williard-friendly bubble, and he may have well have held it in SLC for all the difference it's going to make in terms of press reports of dissent or demonstrations.
BTW, Does Pappa Bush plan on going?
The wingnuts and Fox accuse us of waging a war on religion, christianty in particular, but like everyhthing else, they have that backwards also.
I have felt for a long time that I am on the defense against the onslaught of these religious freaks, and christians are not the only ones. Rosie O'Donnell was absolutely right. All religions are like swords, they are all dangerous. Even though christianity is currently not as violent as the far-out islamists, but they are just as dangerous, as they went through their epoch centuries ago.
They want commandments to be posted everywhere, but what are they? 6, 8 and nine are civil crimes, the rest all refer to christianity, and those three existed before the guy with the stone tablets appeared. Post 'don't murder, don't steal and don't perjure' in the courts if you must, but trash the rest, or put them into your church.
Is the return to a government free from religion only a dream?
"how faith is what shapes our values..."
What a bunch of bullshit. One of the most insidious lines of bullshit propagated by the religious is that religion (or the Luntzian word for religion, "faith") is a source of our ethics and values.
All you have to do is read the Old Testament to know that's bullshit.
Of course, you then have the religious folk say, "Well, that was just the morality for THEIR time -- " (as if murder and genocide and rape were moral for ANY time in history) " -- Nowadays, we know we shouldn't stone people to death for working on the Sabbath, for example."
But HOW do you know? You know because of the TRUE source of morality -- humanity. We know the difference between right and wrong because we learn from our parents, our peers, our experiences and our inner convictions.
"Faith" is nothing but an excuse to believe whatever you want to believe, while claiming moral superiority for believing in it without evidence.
jackpine savage @ 10:
SO WHAT???
I was reading the Constitution last night. Article VI states that while legislators take an oath of office, "no religious test shall be given as qualification" for any public office.
JFK had to give the speech he gave because America didn't get it. Romney feels the same way now (not that Romney is any kind of JFK), becauseAmerica still does not get it!
While Mormons believe that religion should play an important part in public life, they believe firmly in the separation of church and state, just as much as JFK did. Mormons do not believe that government has any right other than a sacred duty to protect the rights of the people.
So what if their beliefs are strange coming from your point of view? SO WHAT?
Read the Constitution, study its two-hundred year history and tell me where it says that the exclusion of anyone from public office for religious reasons is justified.
I'll vote against Romney. Not because he's Mormon, but because I find his political views to be a bit disturbing, and his positions just a bit too unstable. I'll vote against him because I don't think he has the background, the capacity, the wisdom or the credibility to lead our country back to a restoration of rights that have been stolen out from under us.
There is so much more to be concerned about by this candidate besides his religion.
But it's always been easier, and more gratifying, to poke fun at a "strange" religion.
Clavis @ 54:
It is precisely this kind of simplemindedness that has led America into the predicament we are in at present. The war in Iraq, the economy, the housing crisis, etc. You just outlined the simplest, laziest, and oldest means of attacking one's religious beliefs. You act as if all the Hebrews ever did was attack and stone. And you speak as if your answer were the only one ("the true morality"). Simpleton.
But that is all beside the point.
As I said above, go back and read the Constitution (so what if you've never read the Bible, you can still vote.), and then figure out just how you can justify a vote based on a candidate's religion.
Well, constitutionally, you can't.
Keith @ 48:
Only because most of America has not bothered to read or study the friggin' Constitution.
CoIntelPRo @ 44:
Are you serious?
Starters, Brigham Young didn't start the Mormon religion.
Next, Brigham Young killed nobody.
Next, Brigham Young encouraged a peaceful coexistence with the indigenous people.
There was a lot of turmoil in the early Mormon church. But, you want to attack a man who has been dead for 150 years because he had a lot of wives? And then, pull the rest of it out of your ignorant, smelly arse? Please.
So a guy has peculiar religious beliefs. So what?
There are so many much more important issues to consider. And most of them have something to do with your own personal future. Romney's religion isn't one of them.
CoIntelPRo @ 44:
By the way, if you are going to withhold your vote based on one's ancestral association with taking away land from natives, then that excludes just about every white person in the nation, liberal and conservative.
Wow, I don't think I've ever seen such childishness in any kind of political forum. You guys really get off on bashing mormons. But it feels so good, doesn't it? I joined the democratic party, because I thought it to be more a party of reason. You guys are not representing right now. Your anti-Romney tantrums are infantile and smarmy.
You dare accuse anyone of being ignorant, and then come up with this kind of trash. You really think you're being smart?
When did one's religion start to matter as a qualification for office? The Constitution says it doesn't.
Separation of church and state does not mean the state is anti-religion, it means the state, and presumably the citizens when it comes to civic matters, are neutral.
But you've chosen the easy target, a strange religion. Serious, how much brain power does it take.
I was bullied in fifth grade because of my own religious beliefs. I've gotten over it since. But you guys sound just like that twirpy kid on the playground. (Hey Eric, do your parents wear that funny underwear? Hey, Eric, how many moms do you have? Hey, Eric, what was that idiot's name who made your church called again? Hey, Eric, is it Mormon or Moron? Hey mormon, could you show me your golden Bible? Yeah, I got that all, IN FIFTH GRADE!)
What I suspect we will see is the so-called Christian Conservatives being told by their shilling preachers that voting for the Mitt is fine with Jesus. What this will reveal is their total hypocracy and that the CCs are really rethuglicans who would probably even vote for a cross-dressing, serial adulturer, crook and liar rather than Hillary or Obama. Wait! That's Rudy! Oh well. I know some very nice Mormons but Mitt ain't one of them. But if you can believe in the golden tablets, I guess you can believe in the Moron. Wait! That's Straight Talking John. Oh well. The really sad thing is that the Dems are so busy trashing each other (and this venue is so busy showing their liberal chops by falling on Hillary and all over Obama simply because he's black) that we really might see another rethuglican president. What profits you if you smuggly, selfrighteously and foolishly nominate Obama and you lose our soul, white house and nation again? I'm an Edwards supporter myself but I don't think he can win in these times and that Hillary can (unless Democrarts slice and dice her before the rethuglicans get to doing it). It's still the war stupid though the media (and too many Americans) have the attention span of a guppy. Ooooo! What's with Britny now? Has Brad dumped his trophy bride. What's Paris getting for Christmas. We will be back on Michael Jackson watch before we know it. Oh, humbug! I'll retire to Bedlam.
Mitt-Flop CAN'T give us “... a lesson in Mormon doctrine” because mainstream Americans would Freak Out if they heard about about God living on the planet Kolob and good-ol' Mitt ( & ALL Saints,if they're Men) having his own planet when he passes on . My ex-Mormon girlfriend asks , " Since Romney's going to be God of his own planet , why does he need to be President of the U S A ? "
As if anything that sac-O-shit had to say would have any trace of credibility on the heels of his declaring that he would not allow any Muslims in his cabinet. Asshole.
I don't like Romney for a number of reasons....but him being a Mormon is not one of them.....South Park????are you f****** kidding me?
“how faith is what shapes our values.”
Whoooooaaaa.....and we haven't even got to the speech yet!
Yes, I think "Idiocracy" is the right word...
Holy underwear, Batman!
Now Robin, there's already enough unsavory rumors about our relationship.
I will not vote for Romney because he is a republican and hence, the devil, but I do have a question
Mormons refer to the book of mormon as the worlds most perfect book. Mormons are also aware of the glaring errors in this book, such as horses in america before the spanish came and the idea that Mary was as white as a german in a snow storm. Faced with these and other idiosincracies, mormons will tell you they just pray on it and then accept the book as perfect anyway. This type of thought was splendidly documented in a little book titled 1984 and I worry very much about a leader who can apply "doublethink" into his life in one aspect and then not apply it in all others
gary mueller @ 67:
First: SO WHAT? It's his religion. Again, go back and check the Constitution, Article VI to be specific.
Second: There is archaeological evidence of horse-like animals in America before the arrival of the Europeans.
Third (about Mary): Ever heard of a metaphor? Every religious text in the history of the planet is full of symbolism, metaphor, analogy, etc. You can figure them out if you try, I promise.
Fourth: What the hell does praying about the truthfulness of a religious text have to do with 1984? Furthermore, no Mormon has ever told me that once I pray about it, I have to accept it.
Fourth: Why spend so much energy singling out and fighting a particular religion? Your attacks only add to the intolerance and confusion that our nation is plagued with.
Fifth: Before attacking, at least do some research.
I've been asked if I have horns on my head. Honestly. I've also been asked about the piece of Joseph Smith's body that is hidden in my chapel. For real.
Your attacks are no less superstitious and fear/ignorance-based as these.
Why do people attack like this? BECAUSE IT'S EASY!
guess the Mormon Mafia Machine done shut this thread down , , ,
Paul @ 63:
Wow, comments like this show just how intelligent people really are. Stop reading bylines and read the full story....no wonder Bush was elected....I love how people pass judgement in tons of comments here when they really no very little at all. Hmmmmmm.....
yogi-one @ 65:
Would you care to expand on what you are driving at here. Let me guess you think it is all a crock.....well, everyone is entitled to their opinion. You sound very intelligent by the way...:)
I do see how you may initially have this opinion, but please take candidates comments on a case, by case bases...don't try to lump it all together.
BoiseNick @ 62:
wow, the comments in here are great. I love the fact that half the people here pull their informed opinion from South Park...and as for your girlfriend who is ex-mormon...part of the reason I like Mormons is because of how they live, the standards they uphold. I do know a bit about why their members become ex-members. I wonder why your Girlfriend is ex-Mormon?
Keith @ 48:
You are happy about this apparently?! Which means in a sense you don't agree with the constitution or you just don't care or understand the importance of freedom of religion.
At least sound intelligent.
The constitution also requires no religious test, so all candidates should just stfu when it cames to their religion, and practice it privately.
"And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by men. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full. But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen."
Matthew 6:5
Daniel @ 72:
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( looking past the inferred insult in your question) ;
Uhhmmm , , , she got tired of their patriarchal , Holier-than-Thou intrusion in areas of her life that were NONE of the church's business and I do believe she had had enough of the church's defense of her drugged-out mother's physical and mental abuse ,,, oh yeah , the repugnant Racism that was (at that time) part of the doctrine of 'worship' sorta bothered her .
If you need more reasons , I'll let her respond directly , and then , , , look out bubba .
As for the South Park / Kolob connection , you have uhh , heard of teh "Google" or "Wikipedia" , I assume ? Try it out sometime ya may learn something . And , are you sophisticated enough to know that just because it's on SP (SNL et. al. ) , that that don't make it fake ? Most all religions have been skewered on SP but the only ones that had a hyper-hissy-fit were Scientologists and Mormons . Go figure .
Good satire depends on the use of facts in addition to fantasy to make it work ; see Colber't Report .
OK ,
Mr. "non" -Mormon ?
Just stumbled on this site while searching for responses to romney's speech. There is an unbelievable amount of hate in most of the views on here. The world would be a much better place if we were all like most on this page, NOT. I dont care what you believe in. but to have a mormon at the head of this country would surely not be a bad thing. Especially one as genuine as Romney. But go ahead and keep bashing with southpark comments and ignorance as it relates to Mormons in general. I for one believe in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints. And I also believe that the founding fathers of our country were inspired by GOD. Its just strange to me why mormanism makes up only 2% of the US yet it is by far the most scrutinized religion. Is it because of the magical underwear. Is it because we believe that there is a living prophet at the head of our church today and there always will be. Dont get me wrong there are some aggrivating holier than thou momons. Just as there are baptist and quaker. We are not a perfect people just as no one is or ever will be. But for the most part Mormons are a loving, law abiding group of americans that preach of the highest morals and strictest codes of healthy living, thus leading to longer life spans. WHether you believe what we believe is your choice, but why all the hate. Move to another country. All of you. Live with one another and share your misery. Watch southpark, live your lives like you want, without anyone's or beings influence. Be of the world. Its easier. Its more fun. And if all of america believed as most of you here, we would of been in the corrupt situation we are in now in the us along time ago. FROM JEWISH TO MORMONS- Religion preaches "GOOD" "Service" "Selflessness". HOw bad could that be for a country. But what do I know. Im just a weirdo mormon. Im gonna get into my undies and go to bed.
All of you that are so uninformed and twist the teachings of mormonism should study up before you place idiotic comments in which you have no idea what your speaking of.
Daniel @ 72:
Coffins Draped with Flags @ 11:
Are you really that unintelligent to call him stupid. Think before you type things for the public so everyone doesn't think your a moron.
Lol @ 78:
I remember when the republicans brought Romney from out of Utah to run for the governor Of Massachusetts...my one reaction was``they`re bringing in this republican clone to take over for Bush;``;of course, the stupid idiots who vote here fell for his line of bull, & put him in. What a farce that was !!
Well, here he is in his run for the white house, and he is making an ass of himself already !! Why is it when republican candidates get in a tight spot, they try to emulate JFK ?? I won`t be surprised if this idiot gets in. 75 percent of American voters are idiots, and respond only to candidates who promise ``no more taxes`` and ``we will put more bucks in your pocket``. Of course, this never happens, but the idiots aren`t smart enough to remember all the bull thrown at them last time--hence history repeats itself, and the Bushes & Romneys are elected. Sad state of affairs !
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