Right Claims Iran NIE a CIA Plot Against Bush
By Nicole Belle Monday Dec 03, 2007 3:46pmAnother bang-your-head-against-the-keyboard moment.
Neocon Grandfather Emeritus Norman Podhoretz--now serving as FOREIGN POLICY ADVISOR (oh, help us all) to Rudy Giuliani--has decided that the NIE report is a deliberate attempt by the CIA to subvert the Bush Doctrine.
Un-fricking-believable.
How 'bout this, Norm? YOU'RE WRONG. You've always been wrong and you will continue to always be wrong. Always. The only 'conspiracy' here is the one that gives you any kind of platform to continue to further your utter and complete wrongness.
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awe, looks like someone's getting coal in their stocking this year!
Actually, it could be. The CIA isn't going to forget what Bush did to Valerie Plame for a long, long time.
Why on earth would norm and his band of neoconartists want a few facts to get in the way of their strident dogma?
Norman PUTZhoretz, shut the f*ck up, you wrongheaded, myopic old toad.
Isn't that precious? Now the NIE is some kind of dastardly liberal plot?
Since when is refusing to lie for Bush considered subversion?
Look out for those anti-sedition laws, seems if these guys have their way we'll be seeing them again.
he'll be the FIRST one to gitmo after all this is over.
submit these war criminals to the HAGUE!!!
I have always believed the president was unstable. At this point I believe anyone who supports him needs counseling.
Reichwingers are projecting again. The CIA only wants to present evidence, but not made to order.
Another reichwinger projecting:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-emQAsGMeQ
Well Norm, if that's the case, I would say they did a heck of a job.
Oh please, give me a break. Is this is the best bullshit he could come up with?
This just tells you how bad the neo cons feel this will hurt bush. If they are willing to go to such insane lengths, that sends up a flare that they feel they and bush are in deep shit now.
Well, that's the same exact thing they said about the liberal CIA undermining their beautiful, clear, justified, WMD-based case for war against Iraq, and it's the same thing they said in the 1970s about the Soviet military threat being much, much, much bigger -- so Rumsfeld et al formed the "Team B" fraudsters to spook that threat.
It's the same crap Reagan made up against Nicaraguan Sandinistas gettin' ready to roll up through Mexico and invade Texas, and how they wuz gonna bomb us to the stone age when we wouldn't let them buy French Mirage fighters so of course they bought Soviet Mig's.
What else is new?
after a life time of slobbering on bushes prick , this old fruit will die and they will find the first dime the clocksucker ever stoled stached in his moss insconched naval, siegh hiel
I wish that the CIA would get off their asses and actually do something about Podhertz and his merry band of unAmerican treasonous weasels.
Rendition this asshole to whatever country.
According to the NYT, Tel Aviv is also disputing the NIE report. Can it be more obvious...
Incredible, when the CIA will roll over on the 17 Cheney visits, the CIA gets blamed.
Now that the CIA is relaying the same information -- that there isn't an WMD threat, but this time for Iran -- but the President and others do not like that, they blame the CIA.
See the pattern? Reckless leadership looking for excuses to wage war; and when they don't like the message, results, or consequences, they look for someone else to blame.
read his book WWIV where he says that the leftwing media conspired to lose the Iraq war. Its filled with islamofascist rumblings and Bush love. I want them to go into Iran because this would produce a new american revolution
The ridiculous Alzheimer's victim, the Pod Sr., is actually part of Rudy Giuliani's "think tank."
The Chimp has done the public a good service by reducing the GOP level of discourse to a bunch of gibbering idiots.
o.k these neocons are traitors. Only reason they live in u.s. because u.s. military power help protect israel. they would have no problem ditching u.s. if foreign policy changes.
I wonder how the CIA will react to these accusasion?
That's what I don't get about people helping these guys. Clinton gave them roving wiretaps, NAFTA, the digital b'cast spectrum, no ban on land mines, billions for the Colombian "drug war", he caved on healthcare, he even slobbered all over Nixon, and they still tried to run him out of town. The NYT blows its credibility by acting as a steno service for the White House, and Ann Coulter says they should all be killed. The Pentagon helps Bush get us into this stupid war, and now they can't get anyone to enlist. The CIA helps Bush, and he singlehandedly destroys at least one and maybe two, vital intelligence operations (if you count the way he blew the cover on the London bombers). And now this demented old coot is accusing them of being traitors.
When are people going to realize, there's no point in helping these jerks? It's like giving someone a stick to beat you over the head with.
Norman Podhoretz
My Negro problem
http://www.lukeford.net/Images/photos/out.pdf
Here is a video of him getting confronted.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MBzLTjVMhY&feature=related
The first shot. Anti-American (read Anti-Bush) traitors in the bowels of government.
We've seen the movie before folks. These are the coming attractions. They can't bomb Iran..O...K...the U.S. is being subverted...time for the coup.
Martial Law in 2008. I warned you.
Merry Christmas.
May as well have Marion "Pat" Robertson advising the preznit. Same shit-for-brains.
Son of a bitch. I can't even-spt. phhhhffffft argh! !!!!! !!!bdfhfjhgjg
:mad:
This is too comical! There's no way in hell that the Shrub is going to spin or lie his way out of this one! He's been caught red handed this time. The facts are pouring in and he's known about it for at least 6 months during which time he and Darth have been lying to the people (we can document these lies now). I think it will be called treason if my definition of treason is accurate. His heyday is over! Both Bush and Cheney will be impeached over this. No one's going to martyr themselves this time since Bush and Cheney are old goats and have become totally irrelevant to the landscape of this country.
As far as Pukehoretz tryinng his damnest to spin this as a plot, all I can say is that it's time he ups his alzheimer's meds! This guy's a certified nutjob and he's doing even more damage to Bush than Bush has already done to himself.
IMPEACHMENT TIME IS NOW!
He's just mad, because this will make it harder for him to get his war on. So of course it is a CIA plot. Now who is a conspiracy theorist?
Nothing could be more inhuman and Anti-American than being upset because you can't justify bombing a country.
Bush looked like hammered $hit today and one of the reporters told him so (in so many words). He's coming apart at the seams right before our very eyes. He knows his goose is cooked now that the facts are tumbling out. First come the impeachment trails; then come the Hague Trials for Bush and Cheney.
Cheney will find his out with his faux heart problems; I hear Bush is back on the sauce and even suffered a seizure following one of his drunken binges so he's about to claim a medical out as well. On the mental front, they're both psychiatrically compromised individuals - sociopaths which has become synonymous with neocon/fascist.
WOW! Things are really getting weirder and weirder. The big liars are trying to call everybody else a liar. Our government needs an overhaul. Can we start at the top right now before the earth starts rotating backwards?
Hahahahahhahaa Sy Hersch is on CNN right now saying Cheney's been holding this report for a FREAKING year.
Ambivalent feelings for americans today: Elation because we don't have to fear Iran at least for now; Disgust to finally realize that the only enemy we have to worry about is our own homegrown "enemy within". Time to impeach these sorry excuses for leaders out on their ears!
Yeah, like those prior intelligence reports were so "biased" (talk about paranoia) toward the White House (usually on account of Bush regime interference). How can such a powerful nation, be so paranoid? As an ex-pat Brit in the US, it's one thing that has always astonished me. The paranoia that these neo-con psychos can claim while at the same time claiming to be the most powerful country in the world. All we have is enemies...even though we're super-powerful, supposedly we're at great risk, from enemies, internal and external. These Bushes want a self-fulfilling prophecy; while we supposedly are threatened, the more the Bushes continue to stir the waters, we head more probably toward confrontation with increasingly extremist regimes.
I thought conspiracy theorists were supposed to be too kooky for prime time tv. That doesn't apply to wealthy conspiracy theorists with fascist tendencies, apparently.
Mr. Blade
The Pod's "My Negro Problem" is a gem and the silly old fart wrote it more than twenty years ago. What a complete turd.
Dr. @ 27:
Oops....that was me. :)
The white house is coming unglued: Hadley yesterday said that Bush just got the report a "couple of days ago" and we're going to hold Hadley to what he presented to the public on this and impeach him if found to be lying. Then Bush implied today that he only got it this week (one more lie to add to the impeachable offenses) - then some GOP talking head said that Bush had the report six months ago and now Sy Hersh rather convincingly states that Cheney had the report a year ago and blocked it. So what is it? Either way, their actions are treasonous and the time frame really matters little except as prima facie evidence to track the lies by date and time stamping when they were aired to the public. I'd say the evidence is now irrefutible and these two thugs within are about to be deposed.
In light of this news, I wonder how many CIA agents will be outed by herr dubyah and his goons?
Hardball tonight is a must see. I've only seen the first half so far and it's amazing. Chris is hot about the NIE report and what bush said today. Andrea Mitchell and Bidden were on and they were as amazed as we all are that bush spoke so bizarre today.
actually this is not an unbelievable statement rom a neocon. tell me when was the last time a neocon allowed factual truth to enter their side of the debate. i can not think of one, not even close to one time when " i have reviewed the information and have found our theory to be inaccurate", so why would they change course or opinion now. and i would hope that the more they continue to follow this path, mor eand more of out thinking population will see that these people should never again be trusted with power in america.
I love it when the right wingers play the victim. It's so laughable and ridiculous.
I equate this NIE report to a swift kick in the balls and the Neocons are feeling it big time. Notice also that no foreign intelligence agency has come out thus far claiming that the NIE is false either. Every intelligence agency around the globe took the blame just like the CIA for the Neocons cherry picked Iraq intelligence which proved to be false. The Neocons do not have a leg to stand on and they know it.
Put aside the issue of the "plot". For a target to be "legitimate" military target, that target has to be related to an imminent threat. Yet, we've known -- or should have known -- since 2003 that the Iranians had not nuclear weapons program.
Supposedly, since 2003, "everyone knew" there was no evidence of an Iranian nuclear weapons program.Without a target, the only reasonable conclusion: The President, VP, and DoD targeting personnel/commanders were planning to attack targets that were not related to any military threat.
Lack of Imminence: Geneva Implications
It's a war crime to attack a non-imminent threat. Yet, since 2003 the US has openly admitted it was targeting locations inside Iran. Today's revelations raise the stunning implication: That the US, in vioalation of Geneva, was planning to attack targets it knew, or should have known, were not related to any military threat, or an imminent threat.
1. What was the basis for the targeting of these "non-imminently-related" targets?
2. What was the Air Force and Navy "plotting" when it was targeting?
3. What has the White House, OVP, and DoD been discussing as "bonafide" military targets?
4. Where is the Congressional review of this planned war crimes-targeting?
Non-Military-Related Target List
It is a war crime to target non-military-related targets. It is reasonable to ask what the DoD war planners were targeting inside Iran since 2003; and what intelligence they were using to convince commanders that these targets -- now known not to be related to any Iranian nuclear program -- to have been targeted. Again, these raise issues of war crimes, commander involvement, and legality of orders.
5. What information has the DoD been providing to Congress as a basis for funding for these bunker busters?
6. Which targets on the DoD target list -- provided to Members of Congress and the leadership -- were not related to any WMD threat?
7. When did Members of Congress bet briefed on the planned DoD target list?
Congressional Oversight
Members of Congress also have a duty -- especially in light of the dubious Iraq WMD data -- to have asked after the known botched planning in Iraq to have conducted better oversight of DoD and the President. Indeed, since the 2006 voter mandate and DNC control of Congress, there is no excuse for the committees to not have gleaned the lessons of Iraq and applied them to Iran. However, the legacy of Congress since 2003 suggests that both the GOP and DNC have not agressively applied the lessons of Iraq WMD (need for better questions and scrubbing of data) to the Iranian targeting.
8. Did anyone bother to ask, "Now that we've known since 2003 that these targets in Iran were not credible, let's take a look at the information we've been getting from DoD on the planned list of targets inside Iran: When did the President and others in the Executive Branch plan to present to the public and Congress an explanation why targets -- known since 2003 not to be linked with any weapons program -- were going to be targeted?"
Senate Intelligence Committee Briefings Since 2003
We've aslo seen since 2003 a number of indicators the Congress and President jointly failed to oversee, plan, and review the planning in Iraq. Now that we've realized since 2003 that there's been no credible evidence supporting any of the Presidential statements about Iran, we have to ask what's been going on behind closed doors inside the Senate intelligence committee.
9. Is the Same intelligence committee -- that can't figure out what is going on with the FISA violations -- also playing lapdog to the President on these assertions about Iran?
10. What information has the Senate intelligence committee -- since 2003, when the Iranians "stopped the nuclear development program -- looking at?
11. What new questions does the Senate Intelligence Committee plan to openly discuss now that it's been known for the last four years that the information they've been receiving about Iran wasn't linked with any real threat, any nuclear weapons program, or anything resembling any remarks behind the Bush-Cheney public statements about Iran?
"Bad I.N.T.E.L.L.I.G.E.N.C.E"
"BAD I.N.T.E.L.L.I.G.E.N.C.E.!"
From Team America
So let me get this straight. The CIA was wrong about the intel (so we were told) in 2002. So now they are saying Iran doesn't have a nuke weapons program. Are they lying now as they were then? Are they now telling the truth?
Help me Dick Cheney!
Help me Oprah!
Help me Tom Cruise!
bottom line? Bush is a liar once again. Can you fucking READ THIS Nancy Pelosi????????????
American Intel acted in America's interest, not Israel's, and that's what's sticking in Pud's craw.
" the NIE report is a deliberate attempt by the CIA to subvert the Bush Doctrine."
That's right,we don't want facts to get in the way of a doctrine.
Hitler was all about that. Onward to Stalingrad!
What this man failed to REALIZE the connection is that Vice President Dick Cheney headed the CIA during post 9/11 attack and was responsible for manipulation of intelligence to wage a war against IRAQ.
If anything at all to consider; CIA has finally realize thAt it was Vice President Cheney that is behind the delemma that our nation faces and the one responsible for ruining the credibility of a whole organization (CIA) and he is responsible for the negative impact it's action was on the INTEGRITY of our Nation's Governing Body. One Leadership (Bush/Cheney) single-handedly caused these chaos and castasthrophic events WE and the WORLD faces today.
If restoring credibility and integrity means by exposing the lies of this administration; SO BE IT. That is PATRIOTISM and NOT to be mistaken as a "PLOT against Bush".
The TRUTH will set us FREE. Unless we get there (the truth) our life will remain STAGNANT and confined to the ramifications of our WEAK GOVERNMENT; destined to collapse. WE CAN NOT solve a problem and intelligently create a viable solutions to our MOST pressing national problems until WE the fundamental problems of our nation. That problem IS rooted in Capitol HILL.
IMPEACHING those responsible and holding them accountable under the full extent of the LAWS and has abused its power (retroactively); for if justice find that these people INDEED has broken the laws that govern them before they took office; then ANY POST executive amendments to the LAWS becomes illigitimate and therefore subject to reversal for it's action IS the result of it's abuses of power.
President power should be subjected and limitted by the laws that was in place before he pledge his allegence as his oath to the AMERICAN people.
I suppose if we had media worth the name, someone would pin Giuliani down as to whether he shares his foreign policy advisor's views on the NIE. But I'm not going to hold my breath.
Impeachment is off the table.
Well this is a true observation. Its often been said that reality tends to be liberal, and if the CIA is making a reality based assessment then that would indeed be anti-Bush.
Of COURSE it's a CIA plot - ask any licensed materials engimaneer and he'll tell you that steel can't melt at... oh wait, wrong nutjob conspiracy theory
OUTING A CIA AGENT IN TIME OF WAR IS TREASON AGAINST THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.
Call Nancy Pelosi@1-202-225-0100 and DEMAND IMPEACHMENT. (let's rid ourselves of these TRAITORS before they turn out an FBI Agent or accuse the local Fire Dept of plots against them)
Who declassified the NIE?
if this NIE was a "plot," why did the Administration permit any disclosure of this information?
Is the President planning to call all the NYT statements about Iran -- that Iran was not in a position to develop a nuclear weapon, and the basis for the NIE statements -- to be classified, retroactively a state secret?
Proud American Liberal @ 2:
Come on, get real! All 16 intelligence agencies are conspiring to conceal a real nuclear threat just as a "gotcha" to Bush?
Now, I think some in the CIA probably are furious with the Bushies for outing Valerie Wilson and destroying their counter-proliferation operations. That might well motivate some toward revenge but I believe that revenge would be most likely to come in the form of telling the truth about Iran in the face of the administration's lies and in a way that makes it clear that they were lying. That would have the effect of sticking it to Bush and restoring some of the Agency's lost credibility. Doesn't that make more sense?
Norman Podhoretz should not be given this type of platform. Just another AIPAC driven zionist who should be ready for the retirement home.
How's life treating you Norm?
You may want to tone down all that conspiracy thinking though, lest people start consider you as crazy as you are.
Remember: You must always appear to be a wery sherious berson, so that you'll always be consulted when it's decided which country to attack next...
So...if we can't trust national intelligence estimates, on what basis do we conclude, uh, ANYTHING about Iran?
In Soviet America, Intelligence plot against YOU!!!!!
Didn't Bush warn us about listening to strange conspiracy theories right after 9/11 happened?
My god, it's full of hypocrites.
Rudy said today that we should keep up sanctions against Iran
McCain said Iran is still supporting terrorism and the NEI report doesn't mean our problems with Iran are over.
Edwards said this is why we shouldn't be so fast to support the Kyl/Lieberman act.
Hillary said something about covering her political ass (Just kidding on that one, I have no idea what she said)
I'm going with Bob Baer's interpretation:
http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1690696,00.html
There has been a rift in the BushCo White House between the Condi Rice camp (lead with diplomacy, use carrots and sticks) and the Cheney camp (hit with stick! hit with stick! hit with stick!)
Some insiders have suggested that Bush himself has never wanted to attack Iran and has been using the accusations and the saber rattling to get Iran to back down, NOT as a prelude to an attack.
But Cheney is strong with the dark side of the force and the base has been hopping in the pews for another war, so what's a petulant man-child to do?
Release an estimate that effectively puts action off the table. An estimate which has the added virtue of being aligned to reality.
Wow!!! i mean WOWWWWWWW Even Pat Buchanan is having a cow over this.
JasonS @ 60:
Just curious, but why then did bush say this report did not change his feelings about Iran? His saber is continuing to rattle.
Remember the intelligence briefings about Iraq -- which the Senators, on the eve of the AUMF knew was false, but since it was classified, couldn't comment on it?
Well, same appears to be going on with Iran: President since 2003 knew information was false, but was giving it -- in secret to the Senate -- knowing, because it was "classified" that the Senators wouldn't be able to challenge him.
Now it's time for the Senators to question -- in public, as they did with the Iraq information -- the basis for the assumptions provided to them in secret briefings since 2003.
We cannot let the President use a classified setting to [a] provide false information to Congress; [b] not disclose that the President and others should have known since 2003 that the information was false; [c] "classify" information that is false; or [d] gag the Senators to be silent about information they've been given that is false.
John Barringer @ 53:
if your assertion is correct -- that this disclosure is CIA revenge -- why isn['t the President -- as was done with the FISA-NSA issues -- changing the focuse to the "leakers"?
Holy Pud-whore-itz. This little warmonger is batshit nuts and he's Rudy Giuli-Kerik's top adviser.
Run for the hills, the nuthouse is wide open.
-GSD
pissed off patricia @ 62:
Perhaps his feelings/opinion about Iran -- as with Iraq -- are not based on facts, but his "conversations with God," which are not based on facts, but beliefs.
He's using beliefs and circular reasoning to justify military action/spending. That's not an imminent threat, but a war crime.
I don`t know about you,but I`m sick and tired of these immature assholes who are making innocent people pay for their child abuse issues.Get some fucking therapy,Podhoretz, and while you`re at it get Bush, Cheney,and the rest of your neocon-men friends into therapy too.A decent psychiatrist would put the lot of you folks in a locked mental facility for a long long time.
One thing that's changed: There's a new AG that got an earful on war crimes. Not convinced that the issue with Iran is "either-or" Condi vs. VP.
JasonS @ 60:
There's another view: That the issue isn't whether to attack or not attack Iran, but how could the JAGs-DoD-related personnel justify attacking something they knew was not related to any imminent threat.
Is the other camp those who have had their head beaten on the issue of Geneva, war crimes, and the laws of war? Neither Condi nor the VP's camps -- as postulated/speculated/hypothesized above -- considered these concerns, but brushed them aside.
Perhaps there is something going on with the new AG, which Gonzalez did not raise, as Gonzalez appeared to rubber stamp the war crimes at GTMO: Where does the new Attorney General stand on these issues of Geneva, war crimes, and the use of US forces against non-military targets (not connected with any imminent threat) in Iran?
sully18 @ 67:
lolz!
Tried to leave the following at NPod's site. Just in case the moderators delete it:
It is my gut impression that the NIE is staffed by “elites” who graduated from Harvard, Yale, Columbia, and other so-called universities of distinction. These people are very dangerous. A very high percentage of them, maybe even the majority, embrace critical thinking. They practice analysis. They strive for consistency in their thinking. On a subconscious level, if not even consciously, these sub-human traitors believe that military action almost always causes more harm than good.
Real partiots, like NPod, don’t go in for mamby-pamby thinking or analysis like those effete eggheads that you find at the universities, and on Capitol Hill, and in the Oval Office, and in boardrooms across the country, and at think tanks both conservative and liberal, and everywhere else where brains, skill, and professionalism are valued over ignorance. Real patriots, like NPod, just know. K.N.O.W. Know that you have to kill a lot of brown people to be safe and free. Know that war is always the best option, and that Bush is always — ALWAYS!!!!!!!!! — right; that when he’s wrong it’s because a bunch of sweaty eggheads at the Pentagon subverted reality like Kreskin so that the whole rest of the world was duped and only Georgie and NPod know how it really is and it's their heroic duty to convince the rest of us aided only by a retired cop, a hooker with a heart of gold, a wheelbarrow, and a holocaust cloak.
Proud American Liberal @ 2:
if, as some suggest, the CIA -- on their own, to retaliate against the President -- did this, then why is there no call from the WH for those CIA personnel to be fired, targeted, or discredited?
The President is on the defensive because it appears he signed off on the NIE in terms of saying, "I agree with this and understand what it is saying."
The question is: How long has he known that there was no intelligence in Iran to support the assertions 2003-2007?
pissed off patricia @ 10:
This Congress, given enough BS over FISA violations and war crimes, will get confused -- by design -- and claim, "It's too confusing for us to figure this out before 2009, so let's do nothing."
The goal here doesn't appear to solve anything, but to create another pile of confusion the DNC is afraid to approach.
casper46 @ 30:
If holding it for a year, why release it now?
Ban neocons.
Geez.
To neo-cons, the only thing as bad as admitting you're wrong is catching the gay.
jfaustus @ 70:
Awesome. Nice job.
This whole "nukes in Iran" argument is so absurd I can't help but wonder if they've hired Monty Python to come up with these bulletins.
Cleese: Upon closer inspection I came to the realization that the only reason [the parrot] was on the perch in the first place, was that it had been nailed there.
Palin: (pause) It's pining for the fjords
Cleese: Pining for the fjords?
Palin: Rather emotional at times. Still, wonderful bird, lovely plumage!
Cleese: The plumage don't enter into it. This is a dead parrot.
Palin: No no, it's pining!
Cleese: It's not pining, it's passed on.
casper46 @ 30:
Why in the world would we start listening to Sy Hersch? Let's get Podhoretz on the teevee again!
ANGRY ENOUGH to make that call YET? (1-202-225-0100 and DEMAND IMPEACHMENT, DC business hours only)
Norman is a MOSSAD operative ( like Kristol, Krauthammer, Frum ,etc). What else is he going to say?
I can't tell if they don't beleive facts, or if they say they don't believe facts that are inconvienant to them.
god damn reasonphobes always willing to throw the hail mary pass for another war their relatives won't have to fight
Maxstar @ 81:
Are you kiddin'? Facts to these people are like a vat of boiling, holy, garlic-water to vampires!
Did anyone else catch Bush's remark about the Saudi Arabian rape case? He said Dana Perino spoke from the 'pulpit' then hastily changed it to podium. He seemed like someone on serious medication, i.e., stupider than usual.
Mike Meyer @ 79:
Mike Meyer @ 79:
Damn right,Mike.We should demand that their sanity be tested as well.These people are just plain nuts.Every thing they do is a response to what they feel is an alien stimulus.
Plame Leak by White House Senior Staff: Treason
Bush’s commutation of Scooter Libby now all makes sense, if he ended up behind bars, he might have squealed that bush and dick were ultimately behind the original plan to leak the covert identity of Valerie Plame and expose to our enemies the CIA’s operation monitoring development of WMDs in Iraq & Iran.
That, my friends, is the textbook definition of treason.
Shorter McClellan: I Was A Paid Liar For Bush.
By: Christy Hardin Smith
Tuesday, November 20th, 2007 at 9:50 am
Former WH flack Scott McClellan has a new book coming out wherein he reveals that people in the Bush Administration had him fronting out lies to the public about the WH leak of Valerie Plame Wilson’s CIA ties. Color me shocked. From E&P:
..”The most powerful leader in the world had called upon me to speak on his behalf and help restore credibility he lost amid the failure to find weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. So I stood at the White house briefing room podium in front of the glare of the klieg lights for the better part of two weeks and publicly exonerated two of the senior-most aides in the White House: Karl Rove and Scooter Libby.
“There was one problem. It was not true.
“I had unknowingly passed along false information. And five of the highest ranking officials in the administration were involved in my doing so: Rove, Libby, the vice President, the President’s chief of staff, and the president himself.”
Do tell, Scott. How, exectly, were “Rove, Libby, the vice President, the President’s chief of staff, and the president himself” involved in your lying to the public? I’d like all the details, please. Including when you learned that these were lies and what you did to correct the public misperceptions, if anything, what sorts of discussions were had about this in the WH, and whether you questioned the information when it was first given to you — or just obligingly parroted as you were told unless and until you were confronted with the fact that you were telling lies. And I’m certain I’m not alone in that sentiment. For your sake, I do hope you were fully forthcoming about this with the FBI. I’m just saying.
I think Kevin Drum summed this mini-kerfuffle up nicely:
Now, Lord knows I don’t want to question McClellan’s claim that his book was “written with no agenda other than to record his experiences and insights for the benefit of history.” But would it be presumptuous of me to suspect that his explanation of Plamegate is somehow going to make it out as nothing more than a silly mistake that the press blew all out of proportion?
Nothing like a little game of pass the buck between the smarm merchants of Bushworld, is there? Note the utter failure to take responsibility for lying to the public, the shunting of said responsibility onto others who have also failed to take responsibility for their respective actions, and the working of “the President’s chief of staff” into the mix of players. Anyone want to place a bet as to whether Andy Card gets set up as the go to fall guy? Emptywheel caught the same Card reference, and mentions the Wells’ card and notes that “just as a reminder, Card and Scottie left the White House within a week of each other–both happening just before Turdblossom’s final grand jury appearance.” (Anyone else’s spidey sense getting a little tingle? And while we’re asking questions, will Scottie own up to being one of the sources for the NYDailyNews story on Rove’s bush league handling of the whole mess? Enquiring minds and all.)
Perhaps, Scottie will spill all the assorted beans to get even for the Bush Administration treating his momma so shabbily in her TX gubernatorial bid. Not bloody likely…but stranger things have happened in gooberville.
(Illustration entitled Free Manure By Mr. Fish via Commandante Agi.)
http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/11/20/shorter-mcclellan-i-was-a-paid-lia...
No question about it. Valerie Plame was covert. Watch this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAbDfTA1KT4
One of the best reporters on TV is DAVID SHUSTER of MSNBC News and in this video he takes viewers through the whole "outing" of Valerie Plame and subsequent conviction of "Scooter" Libby.
Scott McClellan's new book, "What Happened," which claims both Bush and Cheney were in on the outing of Valerie Plame, is chronicled here in this excellent report by David Shuster of MSNBC.
Never in a million years would you see a reporter or anchor from FOX NEWS tell the truth like David Shuster does in this video package.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C09izYkX47k
FURTHER PROOF VALERIE PLAME WAS A CIA COVERT OPERATIVE not a desk jockey as Brit Hume, John Gibson, Bill O'Reilly and weirdo Neil Cavuto calls her.
Valerie Wilson was no analyst or paper-pusher. She was an operations officer working on a top priority of the Bush Administration. Armitage, Rove and Libby had revealed information about a CIA officer who had searched for proof of the President's case. In doing so, they harmed her career and put at risk operations she had worked on and foreign agents and sources she had handled.
Another issue was whether Valerie Wilson had sent her husband to Niger to check out an intelligence report that Iraq had sought uranium there. Hubris contains new information undermining the charge that she arranged this trip. In an interview with the authors, Douglas Rohn, a State Department officer who wrote a crucial memo related to the trip, acknowledges he may have inadvertently created a misimpression that her involvement was more significant than it had been
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20060918/corn
Here is a link to Plame testifying before a Congressional committee investigating the CIA leak case.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8k3GuVTfWLw
Part 2 of Valerie Plame video testimony before Congress re CIA leak case now part of the Scott McClellan book on how the WH lied to get the U.S. into war with Iraq.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3epOuEZTfNM
Pt. 3 of video showing Valerie Plame testifying before Congress re CIA leak case that is now the focal point of Scott McClellan's new book.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0K-pSNw_O4
KATIE COURIC INTERVIEWS VALERIE PLAME FOR ‘60 MINUTES’ PROGRAM lending more substance to the fact FOX NEWS has tried to bury the information contained in the new Scott McClellan book which I write about in this post.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BV-REM00YbY&feature=related
ADDING MORE FACTS TO MY POST HERE IS AN INTERVIEW WITH VALERIE PLAME AND MSNBC'S KEITH OLBERMANN. This all makes FOX NEWS look like the Bush waterboys they are. A cover-up inside of a cover-up with FOX News leading the charge:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFKPV07o5S0&feature=related
Adding substance to the claims made in McClellan's new book and virtually ignored by FOX News is a two-part video interview by TruthOut.ORG with Valerie Plame which can be seen here
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/112107A.shtml
There is also additional proof that Vice President Dick Cheney was involved in the "leak" of Valerie Plame's name to the media. Cheney's Handwritten Notes Implicate Bush in Plame Affair
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/013107Z.shtml
And the plot is what? To prove Bush is stupid, ill-informed and an asshole?? I think that's already been...
purvis ames @ 34:
Try 1963!
This putz should be in prison -- with many others --
for his part in lying the U.S. into war.
Disgusted.
...
The fact that this old putz is advising ghouliani should convince everyone that a ghouliani administration would, at the very least, be as bad as bushilini's!
Ahh, I get it now. All the agencies that develop the NIE are part of the liberal agenda. Out them all!! That'll teach those blame America firsters...
Now, I'm not a fan of neocons at all...but Podhoretz has a point.
First off, the CIA is not apolitical. Secondly, the report is the consensus of 16 different agencies...not the CIA alone. Third, information has been leaked in the past few years relatively often and likely from within one of these 16 agencies precisely because there are those in the community who would rather subvert the policies of a renegade administration than be a mere 'yes man' and watch as years upon years of work is unraveled and undone by irrational policies.
In a sense, the people working in the intelligence community are old hats. They are, mostly, not subject to election cycles and their is a VERY long tradition of how things are done in these agencies, especially places like the CIA. The power that is wielded by these individuals is not small, and it is not so hard to see how savvy intel operators and their supervisors could mitigate foreign policy disasters with calculated leaks while getting away with it.
So, yes, I for one think that Podhoretz is correct in his estimation. This leak, and others (but especially this one), is a calculated, very political, power flexing f*** you to the Bush Administration and their irrational policies and twisted politicizations.
The CIA, et al. SHOULD be doing this in order to protect the intel establishment. Especially after the Bush Administration scapegoated them in a major way for the Iraq debacle.
Don't screw with the CIA...even if you're the POTUS.
Forgot to add that it's not a liberal/conservative thing at all.
It's common sense tempered with the tradition of America's best intelligence gatherers who, take their job and the future of the US seriously. Far more seriously than profiteering politicians who experiment with the failed conclusions from a paper they wrote in grad school.
Holmanski @ 92:
I don't agree this was a "leak". It's was a release. Gates appears to have had some role in it.
wake up people! this guy just wants more american blood and dollars to be spent to fight israels wars!! until we wake up and stop the apartheid,murder being done to the palestinians by isrAel!!
Cut us some slack! We had to come up with some response, and that's the best we could do on short notice.
Norman Putz, Norman Putz... hey, isn't he the guy who's still claiming that Saddam shipped his nukes to Syria?
yellow dog @ 14:
Tel Aviv is desperate. Their plan to scare the U.S. into attacking Iran is failing. Now the Israelis will have to do it themselves. And, I got to tell you, they hate that.
Why should Israeli assets and Israeli lives be put at risk when America is more than willing to sacrifice American lives and spend more tax dollars for Israel's benefit? /snark
time to kick inplan B! sink a us navy warship in the straits,kill lots of bluejackets , get into iran thru the back door, huh paul in la!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'm not saying that the NIE report was a leak, I'm saying that it is an official release that is following in the trends set earlier by leaks.
Are the tri-lateral commission, Elvis and the Flying Saucers behind it, too?
Podheretz is soo far right that he makes Krauthammer look reasonable. And that is no small task. He is so extreme as to almost throw off the model so to speak. He's perfect for Giuliani.
Dr.Acula@4;
Thanks, took the words right off my fingertips... Now I don't have to write them....O.K. one addon.. What a bunch of screwed up goofball paranoid misfits..... I can't decide if these asses need to be in prison for life... On deathrow in Amsterdam, or in some mental institution prepped for lobotomies with a Thorizine followup... They definitely need to be out of power and off the streets......JD
What gets me is that all this saber-rattling and talk of World War III benefits really one main constituency: the oil lobby. Every time the price started to weaken this year, you'd see another attack on a Nigerian oil platform or Bush would crank up the anti-Iranian rhetoric. Oil fell below $88 per barrel today, thanks to the CIA forcibly removing Bush's foot from the war accelerator. Is that why Bush was so gloomy? Maybe he's afraid his oil patch buddies will be disappointed in him because they can't pillage the American consumer for yet more bazillions.
http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/2007/images/12/03/iran.nie.pdf
Following is an excerpt from the NIE:
• We assess with high confidence that until fall 2003, Iranian military entities were
working under government direction to develop nuclear weapons.
• We judge with high confidence that the halt lasted at least several years. (Because of
intelligence gaps discussed elsewhere in this Estimate, however, DOE and the NIC
assess with only moderate confidence that the halt to those activities represents a halt
to Iran's entire nuclear weapons program.)
• We assess with moderate confidence Tehran had not restarted its nuclear weapons
program as of mid-2007, but we do not know whether it currently intends to develop
nuclear weapons.
• We continue to assess with moderate-to-high confidence that Iran does not currently
have a nuclear weapon.
• Tehran’s decision to halt its nuclear weapons program suggests it is less determined
to develop nuclear weapons than we have been judging since 2005. Our assessment
that the program probably was halted primarily in response to international pressure
suggests Iran may be more vulnerable to influence on the issue than we judged
previously.
Everyone should read this document. There is about 5 pages of info in a 15 page report. The other ten pages are describe and qualify the semantics and the certainty of the statements made. In my opinion, this is not the report. It is a press release. And Bush only read the press release.
I wonder how the CIA will react to these accusasions?
Inserted into the NIE are opinions from two other intelligence agencies that the NIE specifies are not its own and do contradict or evaluate the facts differently than the guarded conclusions of the report.
Bush is relying on the American people to not read the report. Beat him at his own game.
Read it!
http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/2007/images/12/03/iran.nie.pdf
Is he the father of the bald, hairy, potato-like creature that holds little girls in swimming pools?
Just askin'...
Bush Doctrine my ass. He can't even spell doctrine.
I guess the CIA is following the will of the American people for truth, not BUsh.
Why are crazy people put on TV still?
Hardball tackles the Bush White House CIA identity Leak issue.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRY5cUW7_V8
Bush needs to come clean, or be impeached
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xlb0nriL7gA
JOE WILSON GOES ON CNN'S AMERICAN MORNING TO CALL PRESIDENT BUSH A TRAITOR: SEE VIDEO HERE:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRcMaeQMitM
WATCH VIDEO OF JOE WILSON TALKING TO KEITH OLBERMANN ABOUT HIS WIFE, VALERIE PLAME, AND THE NEW SCOTT MCCLELLAN BOOK, WHICH IS THE SUBJECT OF MY POST.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XyVSeNHYak
MSNBC'S JOE SCARBOROUGH RIPS INTO ROBERT NOVAK FOR OUTING VALERIE PLAME. SEE VIDEO HERE:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YW1BxKIDLv4
"Plame was ‘covert’ agent at time of name leak."
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18924679/
JOHN DEAN TALKS TO KEITH OLBERMANN ABOUT THE VALERIE PLAME CIA LEAK CASE AND SCOTT MCCLELLAN'S NEWS BOOK which is subject of my post: See video here:
This is only 4 days old.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuKva-RANxQ
Everyone in Washington knew Bush and Cheney wanted to go to war with Iraq as far back as 2000. Cheney had Joe Wilson go to Africa to dig into Niger selling Yellow Cake to Saddam. When Wilson couldn't find any proof, Cheney set the ball in motion to out Wilson's wife, Valerie Plame. It is well documented Cheney visited the CIA offices in late in 2002 looking for information on Plame. Cheney finally had "Scooter" Libby start leaking to the press the name of Valerie Plame. Then the Bush WH tried to blame it all on Richard Armitage and FOX NEWS went right along with the lie selling it to their braindead audience of trolls.
Now Scott McClellan has written a book that tells the truth. Bush, Cheney, Rove etc. etc. were ALL in on the outing of Valerie Plame and she was a CIA operative and now a desk jockey like FOX NEWS says.
Most of the story is contained in this link:
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20060918/corn
But there is much, much more
The conviction says Libby illegally obstructed justice in the investigation into the White House outing of an undercover CIA agent, Valerie Plame Wilson. He was also convicted of perjury and making false statements to FBI agents.
The investigation of Karl Rove revolved around the same issues, among possible others.
Former President George H. W. Bush was right in 1999 when he said, “I have nothing but contempt and anger for those who betray the trust by exposing the name of our sources. They are, in my view, the most insidious, of traitors.”
Former Republican National Committee Chair Ed Gillespie was right when he said, “I think if the allegation is true, to reveal the identity of an undercover CIA operative—it’s abhorrent, and it should be a crime, and it is a crime.”
The American people must know this important truth: This indictment is about a cover-up of the lies that led our nation to war in Iraq.
Traitors all, the Bush administration should face justice by being tried and convicted and sentenced for their henious crimes.
They betrayed the nation and it’s constitution that they themselves swore to protect. defend and uphold. They have betrayed us all. There is no worse crime against the American People.
Turley: “It Is Rather Clear That What The President Ordered Was A Federal Crime”
By: Logan Murphy on Wednesday, November 28th, 2007 at 9:01 AM - PST
The Bush administration has been using the “state secrets” defense in order to have federal law suits challenging their illegal eavesdropping programs thrown out of court. So far, they have been successful; thanks, in most cases, to lazy or partisan judges who have given little or no scrutiny of the validity of their claims which, according to Constitutional law professor Jonathan Turley on Tuesday’s Countdown, are nothing more than unconstitutional attempts to cover up their own federal crimes.
Olbermann: “With or without this new law, suppose one of the anti-wiretapping civil lawsuits succeeds, what does that legal victory actually mean then in terms of stopping the government or punishing Alberto Gonzales or any other top officials who were responsible for this?”
Turley: “Well, it can mean a lot and that’s one of the reasons there’s a lot of people, both Democrats and Republicans, who don’t want to see it happen. They don’t want a court to say that the president did something that is a federal crime. That’s why they’re trying to get all these cases thrown out of court because it is rather clear that what the president ordered was a federal crime, clearly defined in federal law. But that causes a problem because many of the Democratic leaders and Republican leaders have promised each other that they would not start impeachment proceedings, but when a federal judge says the president committed a crime, it’s pretty darn hard to ignore that.”
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http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/11/28/turley-it-is-rather-clear-that-...
Rep. Hall Stands up for Impeachment in NH
http://impeachforpeace.org/impeach_bush_blog/?p=4113
Impeach Cheney, Bush and Pelosi!
By Ted Lang
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article18786.htm
Greens: McClellan Bombshell Demands Impeachment
Special Counsel Patrick J. Fitzgerald Must Probe New Evidence in Plame Case;
Democrats and Republicans Who Refuse to Hold Bush and Cheney Accountable Are Complicit in White House Crimes
http://www.commondreams.org/news2007/1128-17.htm
"Come senators, congressmen, please heed the call!"
http://www.opednews.com/articles/2/opedne_mikehers_071128__22come_senato...
is PODhertz claiming that this NIE leak was political payback for the treason the white house committed with they knowingly outed a covert CIA operation monitoring WMDs development in Iraq and Iraq as payback for exposing their ficticious since proven forged LIES about saddam attempting to purchase yellowcake uranium from Niger as their basis for their illegal invasion, occupation and murder of MILLIONS of innocents who had ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with the September 11th attacks?
Norman Podhoretz is wrong. I hatched this plot.
And i would do it again!
DHavok @ 113:
Because they are the only ones left to defend Bush.
The neocons have been wrong about everything (well they lie in Straussian way) why are we even listening to them these days?
Good grief...these folks just don't know when to stop, do they? Were all these folks spoiled rotten as children or something? I ask because it seems as though none of them ever managed to learn that sometimes, no matter what you do or how much effort you put into it, life just doesn't turn out like you want it to and think it should. News flash for the neoconservatives -- the world does not revolve around you and you have neither the power nor the prerogative to cut and sew it according to your specifications.
Oh, I almost forgot -- let's not forget one verrrrrrry important detail which would have a lot to do with Podhoretz's unwillingness to accept the idea that Iran is not working on a weapons program. He happens to be one of the founding members of PNAC (Project for a New American Century) right alongside many other Bush administration figures past and/or present such as Dick Cheney, Lewis Libby, Donald Rumsfeld, and Paul Wolfowitz who had dreams of using our military might to establish a second Roman empire of sorts -- the very same ones who gave us the War In Iraq -- so really, with all due respect, why is anyone surprised at the fact that he refused to take the news lying down?
Dr Acula @ 91:
Way Worse.This country is over if Rudy wins/fixes the 2008 election
fuck this dumbshit and anyone who's close to believing him to hell!
So
Just exactly when has the cia been correct?
Did they predict the Indians going Nuke?
Pakistan?
Iraq wmd's?
And by the way, Valeriy Plame was outed by Richard Armatage ( A Clinton guy). And he admits he did.
I don't believe in God, but this man cannot come from anywhere else but Hell. Pure evil.
Now who's the ones crying "it's a conspiracy"? Bwhahahahhaaaaaaaaaa. I would like to whole heartedly thank the people who got this information out. You are true Americans who have had enough of these thugs who want to destroy not only our great nation, but the entire world with them.
Every brutal and dictatorial regime, be it the Nazis, the Stalinists, the Khmer Rouge, the catholic cult, or any other, eventually turns on itself and "purges" the "enemies within".
It looks like the neo-clowns are starting to turn on their stooges. Now if only those stooges would uphold the constitution...but this is the CIA we're talking about, an organization with a long history or opposing constitutions in other countries.
While I do not put any stock into what he says, he is probably right.
This is a logical power play on behalf of the intelligence community with respect to past abuses by the administration as well as an attempt to defuse the rhetoric being used against Iran to draw us into war.
This was the best card the intel community had to avoid military action in Iran, and they played it well.
Suck on it, Pod-Man.
Oh, and let's not forget, people:
VALERIE PLAME WAS IN CHARGE OF THE IRAN DESK AT THE CIA WHEN CHENEY OUTED HER IN 2003.
Meaning, it was Plame who was gathering intelligence on Iran when Cheney committed treason. Maybe, just *maybe* her outing was done to avoid admitting then that Iran had given up their weapons program in that year........
Sorry for the yelling, I don't normally do that. Here, though, it's necessary.
...and I thought that the people believenig 9/11 conspiracy theories were loonies.
The most sickening thing is that these assholes use the Holocaust for their own purpose, defiling the 12 million who died in the camps. (6 million jews, 6 million Poles, Gypsies, Slavs and others.)
Repelling. These people belong to hell -too bad they don't believe in one.
A chapter of the Bush regime will come to an end only to be resurrected by Hillary Clinton and the circle of life continues. The Plutocracy lives on with different players achieving the same goals built by AIPAC.
Just to let you know (if you didn't already)- this stuff about the CIA secretly being anti-Bush and anti-administration does have some traction amongst the Neocons. Rowan Scarborough wrote a book called "Sabotage: America's Enemies Within the CIA" arguing just this point. Yes the book is a piece of crap, but this and similar books (like Joel Mowbray's, in which the author argues basically the same thing about the State Dept.) do get read and reviewed by the Townhall.com crowd, and these authors plug their books and get interviewed on talk radio outlets nationwide.
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