Hillary Clinton: Elect Me & Oil Prices Will Drop!
Now granted, this is the NY Daily News, not exactly a bastion of responsible journalism, but if this is even an out of context quote, it's still quite astonishing.
Hillary Clinton predicted Saturday that just electing her President will cut the price of oil.
When the world hears her commitment at her inauguration about ending American dependence on foreign fuel, Clinton says, oil-pumping countries will lower prices to stifle America's incentive to develop alternative energy.
"I predict to you, the oil-producing countries will drop the price of oil," Clinton said, speaking at the Manchester YWCA. "They will once again assume, once the cost pressure is off, Americans and our political process will recede."
Clinton argued that former President Jimmy Carter in the late 1970s actually started moving in the right direction toward energy independence, but his successor, Ronald Reagan, "dismantled" that work.
"Because costs were low, people didn't care, didn't complain," she said.
Of course, the second half of her statement is absolutely true, Reagan did dismantle all of Jimmy Carter's work towards energy independence, a move that--now almost 30 years later--had clearly put all the elements in place for our multiple quagmires in the Middle East. But I cannot believe that Hillary would be so foolish as to make promises like that to garner a very few--extremely gullible--caucus votes.
Since oil is a finite resource it SHOULDN'T go down in price (logically I think it should be nationalized). How is she supposed to be environmentally conscious and lower the price of a finite resource (which will encourage its consumption)? Please don’t elect this woman!
So oil prices will drop if Hillary is elected?
Guess which way I'm betting on bullshit futures.
You read it at C&L: "It's about oil." She can't promise this. If she could, why aren't oil futures imploding?
Hay, she may get elected President, but that doesn't mean we have to gobble her non-sense in 2008. She's not President. Yet.
Oil prices? Christ. If she started talking about this along with renewable non-carbon based fuels then I'd be set, but it seems like empty pandering.
where have I heard that before.....hmmmmm
2000 Dubya/Cheney...."with two oil men in the White House, there will be open spigots of oil!"
I don't care for Hilary but I do believe that ANY Candidate on the Democratic ticket becoming president would bring down oil prices. Hilary doesn't own that statement but it holds truth.
If you don't accept that statement, do you believe all those secret meetings Cheney held with the top energy CEO's were for nothing? or that the potential for a "crisis" (aka War with Iran) in the Middle East is the reason the price is so high?
What a load of crap Hillary. Oil is going over $100 a barrel and there isn't a damn thing you can do about it. The further the dollar goes down the higher the price of oil goes and so does gold. Hillary, get real babe. The oil pumpers don't want our worthless Federal Reserve notes. Back them by something of value like gold in the form of a US Treasury note backed by precious metals as the Constitution calls for, and then we'll talk my dear.
Denial is not just the name of a river in Egypt…
This statement fails to adequately discuss market forces:
The market, not "countries" set the price of oil.
Not all oil goes through OPEC.
Countries like Nigeria, which like high prices, are not in a position to modernize nor cut costs. They enjoy high prices because it means more money for the leadership to hide from the Nigerian People.
The prices may go down; but it's not because countries are reacting or not reacting to Clinton; there are market forces which Clinton appears to have us believe will magically occur to lower the price of oil.
If she believes this will occurr -- that "something" in her Presidency will "make" oil go lower -- has she pointed to any initiatives she, as a Senator, has attempted to enact through the Congress; and will this work in the Senate on this issue -- if it is real -- be something she plans to continue as President? Either she has a plan in the Senate that she's working on to help bring about lower oil prices; or she hasno plan now, and she's going to have to create one to justify confidence in her statement about what will happen to oil prices if/when she becomes President.
Now that the holiday shopping sprees are over, the bullshit stories about oil inventory problems have shown up again so they can start raping our pocketbooks again. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12400801/
I predict impeaching dick and the price will drop.
abarts @ 5:
That's the point Abarts. There is no difference between what we have now and what we may get after the 2008 election. The corporations behind these people are the ones pulling the strings. This is so transparent it is laughable.
LMFAO
Price's will only go UP.
Peak Oil is either here or will be very soon.
www.theoildrum.com
is an excellent site for rational exploration of this issue.
I know this board is filled with Democrats...so I ask you,
Please do not vote for her.
ABC Anybody But Clinton
Talcott @ 12:
You have my vote. I'm taking a closer look at Dodd.
Clinton. (Oil Per Barrel) 1998 11.61
Bush. (Oil Per Barrel) 2007 95.97 - 99.29
Yep, the first thing Ronnie did was to dismantle Jimmy Carter's GAS-O-HOL program, which was developing technology for the large scale conversion of wheat into alcohol, to mix with gasoline (E80). The Republicans killed a cellulose-ethanol program in 1980, which would have put the U.S. on the cutting edge of alternative fuels almost 30 years ago! So, don't believe any Republican who claims to be in favor of alternative fuels. They are OWNED by the oil companies.
In actuality, the price of oil probably will fall with Hillary......or anyone else who isn't Darth Chimpy McFlightsuit in the white house........part of the reason that the price is high is the continual sabre rattling (for no logical reason) which takes place against various entities in the middle east.....not to mention the lack of interest for some reason in stopping COLLUSION in the oil market..........remember last summer when the market ran STRAIGHT UP, and then came STRAIGHT DOWN afterwards.......when markets only move in one direction (dropping like a bowling ball in a swimming pool for example), that is indicative of being BULLSHIT (think of the final days of the 90's stock market ).........REAL market movement is generally characterized by being "three steps forward, one (or two) back".
V V
According to Greg Palast's "Armed Madhouse" (an excellent book by the way - read it and weep for our future), the price of oil is artificially jacked up considerably and that past attempts to increase production in other countries (eg Venuzuela c1973) are frequently foiled by Saudi Arabia flooding the market, dropping the price of oil through the floor and effectively bankrupting the countries trying to break their control of the oil market. Apparently, Saudi Arabia can survive on their foreign $ reserves for at least a year.
Well I am glad to see somebody is ready to tear down the "Reagan was a great president" myth. Mabye Hillary is just tired of the Rethuglicans tearing down her husband while no one ever seems to go after the Republican sacred cow Bonzo Reagan.
I might actually consider voting for Hillary now based on her anti-Reagan statements.
I call shenanigans.
Vote for Hillary, and the population of the world will drop!
Carter got a bum rap. He was twice the president and ten times the man Reagan was.
It is the truth, it is just not expected from a politician
Addendum: Forgot to mention by the way that Uni-directional movement can be indicative of collusion......basically everyone trading (or enough to control the market) has the same bias so they move in unison...all one direction
V V
I'll vote for Hillary if it's Clinton versus Huckabee 08 thats a given.
LOL oh man what a ZoO
oil prices will go down but that's because of the lower demand a world wide recession will bring.
She needs to promise Bushes Murica she'll make sure they have a never ending supply of beer and cheese doodles.
Vitam Vas @ 16:
I understand where your coming from, but the facts say otherwise. Your totally discounting 3 to 5 billion people who want the same standard of living we have in both India and China, plus the fact as Matt Simmons has clearly pointed out, all the easy oil ( sweet crude ) has been found and we are at peak or just past it. To further complicate matters, again you have a falling dollar. Why would the Arabs want to except a lesser life style by getting less for thier dwidling resource? Just does't make any sense. We will all be paying over $6 per gallon for gas within 18 months.
Shan @ 17:
This was true in the past however they are peaking.
http://www.theoildrum.com/node/2331 "A Nose Dive in the Desert"
L.A. Confidential @ 14:
WTF? And?
You sHillary are no Jimmy Carter.
Maybe I'm missing something, but that doesn't sound like a *promise* to me, it sounds like a *prediction.* There's a big difference. If we start to make serious moves toward oil independence, of course OPEC is going to lower prices again. They've been playing us for suckers for decades--why would they stop now?
I'm not wild about Hillary, but please, let's not go distorting her words here. The MSM will do a very thorough job of that, I'm sure.
Johnny2Bad @ 28:
Yip, thats right. WTF?
I was reading the news on MSN...about Sen Webb and his 9 second session....when this pop up jumped out http://www.stansberryresearch.com/PRO/0704OILCOL49/WOILH705/200704OIL-CO... Rocky Mountain Oil..........bullshit?...you decide.
Hold on let me show you something else.
L.A. Confidential @ 14:
Clinton 2000: Record budget surplus
Bush 2007: Record budget deficit
What part of "the GOP is bad for America" do the right wingers not understand?
Just proves,,,,,, AGAIN, that she will say anything to get elected, and that she is so egotistical and believes the people are so dumb, that they will believe EVERYTHING she says. Hell maybe she is right. Maybe the people are that dumb.
JP @ 6:
I agree.
As for pepper's remark about "how can she be environmentally conscious," check out her rating with the League of Conservation Voters. It's 90 out of 100, I believe. Obama's is higher, Edwards is quite a bit lower. I think Edwards, however, has had his eyes opened in recent years, in part due to the conscientious efforts of Al Gore to raise everyone's awareness. Hopefully all the Dem candidates will strive for greater environmental awareness and protection.
This remark is a non-issue for me, and I'm glad to hear someone publicly contrasting Carter's record to Reagan's. It makes me cringe to think of where we would be as a nation, energy-wise, if only that rat bastard Reagan hadn't fooled so many people.
Ruthless People @ 20:
Yep....ain't that the truth.
Another reason this candidacy should die unborn.
Buzzcut @ 35:
Unlike Bush? Let's see. "I'm a uniter", "mine will not be a nation building administration", "compassinate conservative", "I'll bring dignity and integrity to the oval office".
When it comes to saying anything to get eleceted nobody beats The Decider.
New campaign slogan for The Hillary. Hillary Clinton "The Prophetess"
Look at this sh*t. We're being reamed.
http://partners.futuresource.com/fbm/images/2004/0302/NatGas.gif
Ruthless People @ 39:
Didn't vote for bush.
So its Bush's fault oil prices are high but if hillary says she can drop them you don't find the legit? Hmm, sounds like you only apply Economic 101 to Democrats...
Fuck it. I'm still going with Edwards.
Buzzcut @ 35:
Enough people in the U.S. were sufficiently dumb in 2000 and 2008 to put you in the mess you're in now. That's hardly Hillary's fault.
I like all the pictures of Bush Sr and Bill Clinton hanging out together and the quotes of Bush calling Bill a son.
L.A. Confidential @ 41:
This is a perfect example of what the GOP stand for.....but the sheeple hear tax cuts....and swoon...... if you look at everything across the board...the costs have skyrocketed....but the sheeple want that "Tax Cut"...and are dumb enough to think that they're saving money.
Ruthless People @ 39:
What else is new. Every politician lies. It's in their DNA. How many more times do we need to be deceived and still not get it. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. There has to be a better way.
CartoonCoyote @ 45:
Like I SAID,,, I DID NOT VOTE FOR BUSH, and I sure as hell won't be dumb enough to vote for Hillary Clinton.
CartoonCoyote @ 45:
Change that "2008" to "2004", if you please. I plead guilty to distraction; I'm eating some of my friend's delicious Christmas brown sugar fudge, and having a really pleasant sugar buzz.
I will vote for the Democratic nominee - regardless of who that might be - over whoever the Republicans nominate. I voted for a Republican once - a long time ago - and it was a mistake I will never repeat.
From a less cynical standpoint, I think Hillary's new statement is bold and interesting. Much like how Nike has committed to ending excessive overtime in their supply chain by 2010 or 2011 -- which is strong and plausible coming from a corporation that has already accomplished more than most others in the past 10 years in combatting sweatshop conditions in their supply chain.
It is a promise that you understand to be a little bit rhetoric, but a little bit daring. First, Hillary takes a swipe at Reagan in favor of Carter, which was a less-than-safe move (though she did it in a dignified way and thus may be able to get away with it) and I commend her for that.
Next, though she may be aware of the declining resource issue surrounding oil prices, she definitely would employ a world-class staff of global personnel that would be capable of bridging the gap with some of these middle eastern countries. In that way, any geopolitical relief would lead to more sustainable trade. Meantime, as America takes an interest in the environment and leads economies for new forms of energy commerce, a new path can be forged in the middle east.
It is not beyond comprehension that Hillary could be capable of credibly making such a statement. She could fill in the blanks, but stupid people won't care because we're a citizenry made up of headline-only readers. They are best commanded with bold, clear, strong statements.
I'm still voting [another candidate who shall not be named because I don't want to get Kucinich fans upset, or Edwards fans upset, or Obama fans upset, etc. etc. and voter privacy is kind of more old-fashioned and decent anyway...] in the primary.
Yeah, right.
Right after we invade Venezuela... I mean after we promote solar energy, yeah solar, that's the ticket...
Buzzcut @ 49:
And I didn't say you did. If you won't be "dumb enough" to vote for her should she be the D candidate, then you deserve what you get. Naderite-style rationalizations won't save you.
Other last-minute campaign promises:
Obama: Elect me and Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson will quit bitching.
McCain: Elect me and I'll end the Vietnam war.
Romney: Elect me I'll personally pay off the National debt.
Giuliani: Elect me and I'll put out a contract on Ahmadinejad.
Edwards: Elect me and the ABA will do all work pro-bono for four years.
Normally I would vote Democratic but gotta go for Ron Paul this time around.
And the Paulettes are in the house!
Everybody, a big round of applause please.
What is happening to the integrity of Crooks and Liars? Why would you publish something that you ADMIT is from a questionable source? Now I feel compelled to find out the truth, because for the first time I don't think it's been presented here.
I plan to vote for Hillary, and blog posts like this only strengthen that resolve.
BAC
Buzzcut @ 56:
And what if he's not the R nominee?
Buzzcut @ 56:
good....if he gets the nod.....it will galvanize the Dem party....and will show up at the booths in record numbers.............do you wear a hat?.....me thinks you've gotten too much sun...
CartoonCoyote @ 54:
Tell us buzzcut, who did you vote for? I am sure who ever it was at some point in time said something to some constituency just to get elected. Unless of course that person was totally "unelectable" to begin with therefore had nothing to the loose by saying exactly what was on his or her mind all the time in front of all audiences.
sharon @ 30:
She actually uses the word "predict", so if the quote was accurate you're on safe ground.
Buzzcut @ 56:
Why? Illuminate us.
Chris @ 43:
How many Dems do you see walking hand in hand with a Saudi prince?
sharon @ 30:
Sharon, you are exactly right... and your comment bears repeating.
This reminds me of Jack Nickleson's classic movie line... "You want the TRUTH... you can't TAKE the truth." Hillary, of course is dead-on accurate... and you can bet the Saud royal family will be leading the way. The LAST thing they want is really expensive gasoline which would create the cause-and-effect of forcing people to conserve. OPEC wants to keep the spigots open and flowing... so Americans will continue to drive Hummers, Ford Expeditions, Chevy Yukons, and big Dodge "it's a Hemi" 8 cyl. pick-ups.
I've owned a couple of those in my sordid past as a reckless consumer when the money was good... before Bush F**Ked the economy. I drive a Toyota Prius thru morning traffic into Austin these days... FORTY-THREE to FORTY-SIX miles per gallon average! TAKE THAT OPEC, Cheney, and Standard Oil!
Speaking of Hillary... you GO, Girl. I hope you take the Iowa Caucus BY STORM... and TEAR IT UP thru New Hampshire and South Carolina too. Obama's good... but not good enough. It's just not HIS TIME... give him eight years of MAJORITY EXPERIENCE in the Senate... and he'll be ready.
Jo @ 63:
Buzzcut just made my point @ #61.
i remember reading somewhere that johnny cash despised clintons and bushes alike.
man in black knew his southern sheisters.
Buzzcut @ 56:
Ron Paul has as many shadows of insanity as Ross Perot, as sensible as both of them have come off...
Ron Paul would be sleeping permissively while the religious right bothered the explorative mainstream populace of America. He makes outrageous statements about slashing the excess in Government (which in some ways scare me), but seems interested in keeping government's stranglehold on matters of citzen privacy. I'm frankly tired of that. It may be seen as a secondary topic (abortion, gay rights, etc.), but these are the conveyances with which other issues can be rubber-stamped as correct with an otherwise unconcerned faction of right-wing wackos who are hearing it from someone who loves their Jesus rules.
No, in many ways Ron Paul is as off-the-mark as Mike Huckabee, and it pains me to say that since Ron Paul is the closest thing the Republican ticket has had to a classic conservative that I've seen in awhile. Unfortunately, classic Goldwater conservatives really didn't care as much about abortion or homosexuals kissing...
Fortunately, Ron Paul's all-over-the-place hodgepodge of ideals doesn't seem to be coming across as particularly lucrative for anyone. Republicans really would not prefer dramatic slashes in government because they like having a big government shrouded in bureaus to keep their darkest lies secret. Reduced government to today's Republicans means fewer agencies out doing nothing more than helping out weakened segments of society. And his apparent lack of interest in further war profiteering doesn't make him a President anyone involved in Iraq would want to snuggle next to... But you really never know. He looks like a live wire to me, and I don't want anymore Presidents from Texas for a little while...
You're quoting the NY Daily News to discredit Hillary? Amazing. Democrats really do specialize in turning on their own.
Ron Paul would be worse than Bush. He doesn't believe in any positive government.
I don't care what Hillary says at this point. I'm not voting for her.
ROM Spaceknight @ 67:
Bush isn't a southerner. He just plays one on TV to dupe his numnut supporters.
Otay @ 70:
You want another 8 years of a Bush Republican? Or worse?
They did a *much* better job than any (*cough*..*cough*) "responsible journalists" (like who? NY Times? Washington Post?) covering sHillary's last Senate race.
They had the nerve to call her out on her cheerleading the Israeli War on the Lebanese People, and they called her out for refusing to participate in a League of Women Voter's debate with Jonathan Tasini -- her opponent in the Democratic Primary.
Had it not been for the NY Daily News the rest of us would never have heard that Tasini even existed, nor that he was a candidate, nor that sHillary refused to debate him, nor why.
just sayin ..
The red meat gets a bit more bloody and raw right near the election.
First of all, a good 10-15 dollars of the price of a barrel is the saber rattling on Iran. From what I can tell, Clinton would continue this posture, though maybe a bit less belligerent. Secondly, the price of oil is hardly controlled by OPEC or any other entity anymore - no entity, country or group has that power over the price of oil.
Even if we go full throttle tomorrow on an energy independence plan, it would take at least 5 to 10 years to bear fruit. In other words, the President who does all the hard work of implementing the plan will have to wait until the next president to see the results.
Yeah, Hillary, but what are you going to do about illegal aliens?
In California now, when you dial 911, you get a recording that says, 'For Spanish, press one, for mehicano, press two, for hip-hop, press three, for korean, press four, for thai, press five, for chinese press six, for japanese, press seven..................by the time they get to english, the wetback who robbed you is back across the border.
Andre @ 68:
Preach it brother. LBJ gave us Vietnam and Bush gave us Iraq. Instead of a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage about one forbidding Texans from seeking the presidency? These two Texans have done more to damage the santity of marriage by getting spouse killed in sensless wars than any two gay men getting married in Provicetown could ever hope to do.
Gee, cheaper oil was a rationale for the Iraq War. Now Hillary is casting that lure as a democrat. Imagine that.
Preacher Boob @ 75:
Hey Preacher Boob....did you really break your hip..?
is there anyone in America who can assure me hrc will be immune to blackmail, inspite of the myriad of scandals that seem to follow her like flies on "pig pen", from "peanuts"?
Oh please let me be the presumptive winner again! I'll give everyone cookies and milk!
yellow dog @ 51:
L.A. Confidential @ 23:
Blind Partisanship Is Still Ignorance, Regardless of Party
http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_anthony__071224_blind_partisansh...
L.A. Confidential @ 72:
Agreed. I am no fan of Hillary but if she's the Democratic nominee I'd support her. I'd walk through hell in a gasoline g-string before I'd vote for a Republican.
"But I cannot believe that Hillary would be so foolish as to make promises like that to garner a very few–extremely gullible–caucus votes."
is anyone gullible enough to believe that oil prices can't be dropped???
Cowboy Bob in Austin @ 65:
Yeah, but that's what I like about Obama. And when I think about it, I like it even more that he's a newbie in the political stage. 8 years in our congress isn't gaining experience in my book, it's accumulating taint and apathy. Hillary is just too high on the other side's hit list IMHO, all the thralls in the red states have hated her for almost 20 years. And Obama can laugh off the noise machine easier than Hillary can if you remember that incident with The Inflatable Rush. But it's nice to debate which Dem is going to win and not if they are going to win....
It's appalling to me how much the so-called "progressive" weenies take right wing crazy talk when it comes to Hillary. If you read her statement, people, this is not at all what she's saying. Let's say she, or another Democrat with a green agenda gets elected. The producers are likely to drop their prices, so that we drop any conservation efforts. It happened last time, and you bet it will happen again. And the next president, Hillary or not, may likely have that to deal with. The risk is, our current greenness is built on $100 oil. People are scared. What happens if it goes to $50? Will the public, and the president, give up? Hillary says she won't.
All the rest is like going along with the right-wing spin on Gore. They're the ones who are putting this crazy tone in what Hillary is saying. You ought to be ashamed of yourselves. You hate her so much you'll even gobble this filth.
Ruthless People @ 82:
same here....but i'd prefer to walk around in the snow.....
Symes @ 57:
HooRay!
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http://freeatlast2008.com/
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ROM Spaceknight @ 67:
YouTube: Johnny Cash -- Man in Black
1971, VietNam War raging -- "I were the black in mourning for the lives that could have been .. each week we lose 105 young men .."
Hillary would probably take every state Kerry/Edwards took. Picking up one more state in addition to that while keep the anti-democratic reich wing activist court at bay would be the tough part.
john bourne harbour @ 83:
it was a "prediction"...not a promise.......
What Americans fail to realize is that a President during a war can exercise executive powers that favor the consumer.
Like freeze prices and screw the Arabs. The Bin Laden’s, the Bush family and the oil Companies would have a fit.
Needless to say dump your stocks now….
mudshark @ 86:
I'm sorry, but I am not voting anymore for someone I disagree with. I don't care if she's a democrat. Sick of that whole "lesser of two evils" take. We tried that in 2004. I voted for Kerry with a funny feeling in my stomach. look where that got us all.
regardless, i don't wanna hear that we are going to remain dependent on oil. i wanna hear about alternatives.
L.A. Confidential @ 72:
She is a Bush Republican.
Pericles @ 15:
That's spelt PWND - and yes, they certainly are.
Preacher Boob @ 75:
And the Repug speaks!
Racism on a progressive blog, that's gonna go down well there little Paullette.
I guess RP is the candidate for you then! What with Strom being 6 feet under and all...
as full of shit as any corporatist is shillary !!!
Jim H @ 85:
lol. I know what she said. I still don't agree with it. I DONT AGREE WITH HER. go ahead and agree with her, that's fine. be her fan. great. but I'm not. don't accuse people who disagree with your opinion of her and try to invalidate their views by saying they are right-wing.
Talcott @ 87:
And the Paullettes cheer themselves!
Hey Talbot, take notice this time around: the regulars are kicking back because this is NOT an RP thread.
I expect the moderators will be asking you RP bots to get back on subject sometime soon here...
joze46 @ 91:
not exactly fact-based, are you?
abarts @ 93:
now, now, you gotta fall in line and vote democrat, even if you dont agree with her.
remember. YOU ARE EITHER WITH US OR AGAINST US
L.A. Confidential @ 14:
A lot of the global financial chaos and political instability in 1998 was directly related to the very low price of oil. Oil is bad high or low. It's the most important resource in the world and it's extremely volatile - perpetually wrecking havoc in th political arena. Oil is always a curse. The one thing Clinton could have done in his tenure is raise CAFE standards, which of course he did not.
Hopefully there's an outbreak of common sense in the primaries and Hillary Clinton will get dealt a series of early and humiliating defeats. If we're stupid enough to nominate Hillary then we deserve to lose the general election anyway.
Professor Farnsworth @ 92:
Were it not for Sandra Day Oconner your vote for Kerry would be continuing Clinton's legacy of record prosperity and peace instead of endless war and bottomless deficits. I'm not sure I get your point professor. You should have supported Bush because you had a funny feeling in your stomach about Kerry?
mudshark @ 86:
Folks, please. How many times do I have to qualify my statements with "for the nomination"?
Professor Farnsworth @ 92:
if you recall.....it came down to Ohio.......which he ripped off....by e-voting fraud....
mudshark @ 86:
if you'd vote for a rupert murdoch-sponsored walmart lackey who was duped into authorizing preemptive war on iraq and was duped into supporting the same on iran, then please, by all means, DO go take a long walk in the snow. how about a gulag, up greenland way?
Ruthless People @ 103:
....supporting Kerry over Bush isn't the lesser of two evils, it's good over evil.
D to the Izzle @ 9:
which makes shillary even harder to believe
Aren't there more republicans running for reelection next year, so for Hillary to make such a statement, she's assuming that all Democrats will win the seats they're running for. Oh boy. I have a bad feeling about next year...
Hey Nicole....
But I cannot believe that Hillary would be so foolish as to make promises like that to garner a very few–extremely gullible–caucus votes.
She made the statment in NEW HAMPSHIRE..............they "caucus" in IOWA....
If you want to write a bash Clinton piece, well, then that's your journalistic prerogative.........but please try to appear as though you're paying attention to this whole primary thing, OK?
Andre @ 68:
This is very innaccurate on soo many levels.
Starts off with the common wacko/nutjob/crackpot....name calling.
"Ron Paul would be sleeping permissively while the religious right bothered the explorative mainstream populace of America."
Where does this come from and more importantly what does "sleeping permissively while(i'll assume you meant with) the Religous Right" mean?
"He makes outrageous statements about slashing the excess in Government"
Which would be moderated by the Checks and Balances of Congress our systerm utilizes(in theory, thanks Nancy)
and these Checks would be honored by Dr. Paul.
"but seems interested in keeping government's stranglehold on matters of citzen privacy."
This is just a lie.
"Unfortunately, classic Goldwater conservatives really didn't care as much about abortion or homosexuals kissing..."
Another Lie ...can you prove any of this?
"Ron Paul's all-over-the-place hodgepodge of ideals doesn't seem to be coming across as particularly lucrative for anyone."
Except the American People who desire NO WAR, NO EMPIRE, and RESPECT for CIVIL LIBERTIES.
"And his apparent lack of interest in further war profiteering doesn't make him a President anyone involved in Iraq would want to snuggle next to"
Lie.
ROM Spaceknight @ 106:
did you read Ruthless Peoples comment????...."IF" she gets the nomination.............but hey..why bother ...right......you like RP......
Ron Paul vs. the Dirty Tricksters
http://antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=12102
No bag of tricks, no matter how dirty, is going to be enough to stop the Ron Paul Revolution: his appeal is only increasing, along with his visibility, and smear campaigns like the one exposed above are only going to cause thinking people to wonder what the smear-mongers are so afraid of.
sounds like a chicken in every pot to me.
unfrozencaveman @ 101:
the real curse is assholes from texas and from texas by way of maine. oil is oil. it is a thing which can be manipulated. look to texas oil family boosh. oil is not wreaking havoc, people manipulating oil prices, through war and other engineered crises, are wreaking havoc.
`What IS a Caucus-race?' said Alice; not that she wanted much to know, but the Dodo had paused as if it thought that SOMEBODY ought to speak, and no one else seemed inclined to say anything.
ROM Spaceknight @ 106:
Let's just say I will not be voting for shillary in the primary and for the reasons just cited among other reasons.
There are many DINOs that do not deserve re-election or election for that matter.
Umm wait.
Isn't this what republicans usually say?
Next she'll say that there will be no terrorist attacks on US soil.... but ONLY if she is elected (hint hint wink wink nod nod).
mudshark @ 32:
Right let's squeeze oil out of rock. Oh and most countries have the same rock.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5424033
mudshark @ 112:
no, i'm voting for obama. i saw his jefferson jackson dinner in iowa on youtube, and that settled it for me.
if ms. clinton wins, i'm not voting for her. she's been a chronic neocon-enabler and a real "vichy". so, if she gets the nomination, i'll look at what the republicans have to offer. ron paul is credible, and huckabee is somewhat, but only a little bit.
Vote your continence in the Preliminary election, but vote the lesser of two evils in the primary! :-)
mudshark @ 112:
That's right Muddy...IF she got the nomination. I guess ROM would vote for Rudy, Romney, or Huckleberry rather than vote for Hillary if she got the nomination. Talk about throwing the baby out wth the bathwater.
Symes @ 98:
LMAO
The comedy of this response is I'm qouting YOU talking about Ron Paul, in a thread where I had already participated,
on topic constructively. Who's off topic, oh and btw my Name is Talcott.(makes me wonder about your other perceptional skills)
*jefferson jackson speech
Let there be no doubt, that this coming election cycle there is more on the line than probably any time in our recent history. Blogs like C & L have given many a voice and I firmly believe that if there were just two people left on the face of the earth, they would eventually find something to argue over. As the election gets closer, some of us as dictated by events may change our minds, while others will hold firm to the candidate of their choice. When you step into the voting booth, let your conscience and good sense be your guide.
Otay @ 104:
Folks, please. How many times do I have to qualify my statements with "for the nomination"?
To be on the safe side, I'd KEEP doing it. ;)
There was a great website (now obsolete and gone, for sadly obvious reasons) called johnkerryisadouchebagbutimvotingforhimanyway.com. The proprietor's stance echoes mine, in that complaining about voting for the "lesser of evils" doesn't magically erase ALL of the difference between the two evils. Vote for the D in the election, and don't just wait until the NEXT election to complain anew that you have no good choices--STAY INVOLVED!
Cowboy Bob in Austin @ 65:
Give anyone 8 years in the majority of congress and all you will have is a corrupt politician.
Talcott @ 113:
when people realize that nut is a social darwinist as well and many of his followers are the most virulent reichers, it will be a good day.
filipurr @ 120:
And other countries have the same animals too? What a MOROON!!!!!!!!!!!!!
what i'm saying is, i'm not voting for anyone who had anything to do with authorizing iraq. preemptive war is considered a war crime but a lot of folk 'round the world.
not something to shrug off lightly.
so i'd prefer a candidate who wasn't part of this travesty. that rules out dodd, edwards, biden, and most especially ms. rodham-clinton.
i just don't see why it's too much to ask for a candidate who didn't drink the koolaid.
you know, a lot of good-hearted dupes died at jonestown drinking koolaid.
ROM Spaceknight
Sucker.
*by
(b-game, sorry...)
It doesn't suprise me that C&L makes the NY Daily News out to be a untrustworthy paper before reporting the unfavorable Hillary news.
I guess I'm supposed to see this as 'balanced', unbias coverage of the Democratic candidates, but I'm not buying it. C&L still loves Hillary best.
ROM Spaceknight @ 131:
And I still don't see to this day why I didn't get that pony for my 12th Xmas, nor any of the subsequent ones.
And a lot of moral narcissists needed a good slap upside the head immediately after birth.
ROM Spaceknight @ 121:
Ron Paul is a credible Ross Perot.
Huckleberry is credible when he stands by his comment he'd quarantine AIDS victims which is nothing but thinly veiled homophobia and racism pandering to his bigoted base. Do you think he would say that if AIDS mostly affected white conservative heterosexual Christians? Huckleberry's southern baptist religious based bigotry is where he is most credible.
CartoonCoyote @ 127:
To be on the safe side, I'd KEEP doing it. ;)
There was a great website (now obsolete and gone, for sadly obvious reasons) called johnkerryisadouchebagbutimvotingforhimanyway.com. The proprietor's stance echoes mine, in that complaining about voting for the "lesser of evils" doesn't magically erase ALL of the difference between the two evils. Vote for the D in the election, and don't just wait until the NEXT election to complain anew that you have no good choices--STAY INVOLVED!
My bad. Just asking people to remember what I said in the past about Hillary -- that I would vote for her if she wins the nomination, but not a second sooner.
lafin gas @ 130:
hey Lafin....this is similar to the way they get it in Canada....have you seen that operation up there.......whew....man...that is one ugly process............I don't see the locals going for it.or even tolerating it.
KISSman @ 134:
really?....see that orange looking sidebar to your left....on theres a list called catagories......
if hrc gets the nod i'm writing in mister magoo, because, while they seem to be dead even in sensory perception, mister magoo is a slightly more gifted orator.
NO....YOUR OTHER LEFT...
mudshark @ 138:
But necessity is the mother of invention!
Reading some of these posts you'd think it was Ron Paul in the manger instead of the baby Jesus.
Ruthless People @ 18:
:lol: boosh and raygun ; chimp and chimp puppet
We know the world hates Bush, but who would they embrace? Hillary?
http://www.whowouldtheworldelect.com/
Ron Paul. savior of the American political system!
It’s really funny what people think. And then realizing how it is very possible to create executive orders that favor the consumer.
Wouldn’t it be interesting if during this war as President Hillary Clinton issues an executive order to place all oil companies under government control.
Get ready for short selling on the stock market.
Or, as American troops are in Iraq declare all oil assets as American.
Since the Government is dysfunctional Hillary could send over Donald Trump to run Iraq as one large American owned oil company. Trump would definitely fire everyone.
Hillary said she would bring home the troops, but America could double or triple the Mercenaries. With no rules shoot anything that moves.
All kidding aside, there are a lot of executive powers that can be exercised that have nothing to do with market forces. Actually she could manipulate market forces. Why not Bush is doing it now and the majority of Americans are getting screwed anyway. Americans are already loosing their homes.
CoIntelPro @ 144:
Who ever thought that Bonzo would grow up to be G.W.Bush? :-)
lafin gas @ 148:
It will be Bedtime for Bonzo in January 2009.
mudshark @ 32:
scam
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