I'd like to see people worry about our Indian Reservations before we worry about Africa (which should mostly be Europe's responsibility). Pine Ridge is worse than the above mention African countries in many respects.

Fundamentalist don't have to pick up guns or bombs to kill.

Bush, the nut job who claims God wanted him to be President, will not allow any mention or recommendation of using condoms as a proper defense against AIDS because of their birth control aspect.

How many AIDS patients have been delivered to death because of this religiously retarded man?

As a Christian I am appalled that Bush, who has acted in direct opposition to the teachings of Christ, was able to fool so many who call themselves Disciples of Christ. Jesus said, "Many will come and call in my name. By their fruits you will know them."

The fruits of the Bush Administration are death.

condom use is sinful!

*good charity* that should read

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/01/opinion/01halperin.html

An interesting article. It puts AIDS into perspective. Yes, it's bad, but there are other health concerns that are just as bad.

anon @ 2:

I'd like to see people worry about our Indian Reservations before we worry about Africa (which should mostly be Europe's responsibility). Pine Ridge is worse than the above mention African countries in many respects.

I was at a strip club in Niagara Falls Ontario last night with some friends and had a conversation with some Canadians at our table. One of my friends is a native american and was shocked to hear that in Canada native people get a lot of breaks (as they should). You don't pay taxes and there are a lot of social programs to help. America's treatment of native people is a great tragedy. We should institute some major changes in regard to how we treat native people. Right now it is a failure and they are all living in terrible conditions. I pass through a reservation on occasion and these people are living in squalor and poverty.

Mike Mid City @ 4:

Fundamentalist don't have to pick up guns or bombs to kill.

Bush, the nut job who claims God wanted him to be President, will not allow any mention or recommendation of using condoms as a proper defense against AIDS because of their birth control aspect.

How many AIDS patients have been delivered to death because of this religiously retarded man?

As a Christian I am appalled that Bush, who has acted in direct opposition to the teachings of Christ, was able to fool so many who call themselves Disciples of Christ. Jesus said, "Many will come and call in my name. By their fruits you will know them."

The fruits of the Bush Administration are death.

that's the kind of 'christian' boosh is!

I have a new post on my blog discussing stuff from Ken's Guide To The Bible here.

who's pocket did all that money bush pledged to help in Africa with aids go?

could that be to the "I'm a fucking liar president". quote bush

ecotopian @ 10:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/01/opinion/01halperin.html

An interesting article. It puts AIDS into perspective. Yes, it's bad, but there are other health concerns that are just as bad.

Really? According to the statistics above, I don't know what other health concerns are just as bad to children under 5. The article you linked was talking about the adult HIV rate in most African countries stable at 3%, which is highly suspect. But this thread was specifically talking about children under 5. If you think 35-64% isn't so high as to be alarming at the least, I can't understand that.

I dream that someday this kind of life will be a thing of the past. It is so sad for these young people to have to live like this., yet I simply worry about our own country with people like these republicans in charge we could not be too far from this and that is for sure.

It's called natural selection.

Why stand in the way of nature?

Anyone see a THEME here? Katrina? American poor? Our mistreated Native Americans? Africans?

Many confused Fundamentalists* are mainly concerned about accepting Christ in their lives (and in others) becuase

they will not be judged by their actions on Earth. (Explains why it is such a great seller in our prisons.)

Many like them...

READ: BUSH and his pathetic lot, give a rat's ass about the poor (EVEN THOUGH IT IS THE #1 THEME of the

Christian Bible). Those MegaChurch temples are not what Jesus had in mind.

Mix in the fact that those suffering people we are talking about are NOT white, you get an idea why

BUSHCO doesn't care about AIDS, hunger, Flooding, etc. etc. They can do what they want; ignore science, ruin the

environment, exploit the gov't, ignore the constitution, torture, start wars, etc. etc.

They feel they have their ticket to Heaven booked.

...and they get very mad when you criticize them.

It is all so clear to them: black or white, with us or against us, good or evil.

It's all very convenient for them. *NOTE: Many Christians get it right.

Meanwhile, the rest of the world is going to hell.

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We should give because we CAN!

You're a good man, Scott Bonnell....seriously!

bobsf @ 31:

In Kenya 35% die of aids...It’s our responsibility.

I am sorry, but when I heard about the church being torched in Kenya today I confess I asked myself the question: why is this our responsibility?

Because we are ALL part of one family, the human family.

In prayer and tears for those in the church today,
Heather

As a parent of a child with autism, I find it hard to worry about AIDS sufferers in Africa.
I agree it's a terrible thing, but right now I'm going to be selfish and worry about my own family and how the hell we're going to keep our heads above water.
Sorry, but charity starts at home!

Brad @ 25:

david blimmo @ 24:

It's called natural selection.

Why stand in the way of nature?

Evolution happened. We're here now. It can stop. Now we need to grow our individual abilities to think and feel.

Er, actually "it" can't, if you're talking about evolution. As long as there is reproduction, there is evolution.

GonzoD @ 34:

As a parent of a child with autism, I find it hard to worry about AIDS sufferers in Africa.
I agree it's a terrible thing, but right now I'm going to be selfish and worry about my own family and how the hell we're going to keep our heads above water.
Sorry, but charity starts at home!

Universal health care would be a start. That ends the panic of "How the hell do we get through this?" and lets you think of others. Good luck with your family, mate.

david blimmo @ 24:

It's called natural selection.

Why stand in the way of nature?

I can only assume by this statement that you are opposed to prisons, law enforcement and treatment for homicidal maniacs. Without them you would most likely be as dead physically as you are emotionally.

xoites defends Constitution @ 38:

david blimmo @ 24:

It's called natural selection.

Why stand in the way of nature?

I can only assume by this statement that you are opposed to prisons, law enforcement and treatment for homicidal maniacs. Without them you would most likely be as dead physically as you are emotionally.

Lost his humanity x, a serious problem-perhaps the most serious facing our country, and the world, as well.

Thursday @ 36:

Brad @ 25:

david blimmo @ 24:

It's called natural selection.

Why stand in the way of nature?

Evolution happened. We're here now. It can stop. Now we need to grow our individual abilities to think and feel.

Er, actually "it" can't, if you're talking about evolution. As long as there is reproduction, there is evolution.

Actually, cloning is reproduction, procreation is not.
The point was, we don't need evolution anymore-- because we, our species, have arrived. We have so much to work with and develop, as we stand, in our current form.

For example, scientists are rapidly developing technologies to solve problems on our planet, and even problems of living off-planet.

Caring people want to reduce pain and suffering of others, and uplift their lives.

xoites defends Constitution @ 38:

david blimmo @ 24:

It's called natural selection.

Why stand in the way of nature?

I can only assume by this statement that you are opposed to prisons, law enforcement and treatment for homicidal maniacs. Without them you would most likely be as dead physically as you are emotionally.

Law enforcement, prisons, and the permanent removal of homicidal maniacs from society are all signs of a successfully evolved culture. A culture that has made no significant scientific and technological progress, that has never given anything positive to the world, that cannot organize and manage even one functional society, and that must depend on more advanced nations to feed and provide medical care to its people is a FAILED culture created by evolutionary failures. Nature is obviously selecting against such cultures. That the advanced nations of the world are NOT dying of AIDS enmasse, and do not allow their citizens to wantonly murder people and eat their hearts and livers as the evolutionary failures do, is a sign of successful evolution (so far).

Only an inexperienced, uneducated child and/or a neurotic crybaby would label someone who understands what natural selection is as "emotionally dead." Grow up, punk.

Pakistan "coincidentally" delays elections.

david blimmo @ 44:

xoites defends Constitution @ 38:

david blimmo @ 24:

It's called natural selection.

Why stand in the way of nature?

I can only assume by this statement that you are opposed to prisons, law enforcement and treatment for homicidal maniacs. Without them you would most likely be as dead physically as you are emotionally.

Law enforcement, prisons, and the permanent removal of homicidal maniacs from society are all signs of a successfully evolved culture. A culture that has made no significant scientific and technological progress, that has never given anything positive to the world, that cannot organize and manage even one functional society, and that must depend on more advanced nations to feed and provide medical care to its people is a FAILED culture created by evolutionary failures. Nature is obviously selecting against such cultures. That the advanced nations of the world are NOT dying of AIDS enmasse, and do not allow their citizens to wantonly murder people and eat their hearts and livers as the evolutionary failures do, is a sign of successful evolution (so far).

Only an inexperienced, uneducated child and/or a neurotic crybaby would label someone who understands what natural selection is as "emotionally dead." Grow up, punk.

Racist bullshit.

We have a homicidal maniac in the Office of the president so evidently we have not managed to remove them all from society.
According to what i can glean from the FBI site between 1986 and 1995 approximately 50 million people have been murdered in the US. As far as Kenya never giving anything to the world you will have to admit it has given you a misplaced sense of smug superiority. Africa's state is not the fault of Africa as you so ignorantly state. It was pillaged and raped by Europe and the US for centuries.

You do not know what you are talking about, you have no sense or insight into history and you are probably around 16 years old.

I take that back; 500,000 murders in ten years.

A culture that has made no significant scientific and technological progress, that has never given anything positive to the world

List of Kenyan Writers

Abdullatif Abdalla
Sayyid Aidarusi
Karen Blixen aka Isak Dinesen (1885–1962)
Rocha Chimera
Yusuf Dawood
Mwangi Gicheru
Moraa Gitaa
Muyaka bin Haji al-Ghassany
Elspeth Huxley (1907–1997)
Francis Imbuga
Billy Kahora
Parselelo Kantai
Peter Kareithi
Jomo Kenyatta (1892?–1978)
Leonard Kibera
Marjorie McGoye
Mwana Kupona binti Msham
Micere Mugo (1942– )
Henry Muoria
Wahome Muthahi (–2003)
Joseph Muthee
Meja Mwangi (1948– )
Ahmad Nassir
Hilary Ngweno
Rebeka Njau (1930– )
Chacha Nyaigotti-Chacha (1952– )
Asenath Bole Odaga
Atieno Odhiambo (1945–)
Margaret Ogola
Grace Ogot (1930– )
Henry Ole Kulet (1946-– )
Yvonne Adhiambo Owuor winner Caine Prize 2003
Mwangi Ruheni (real Name Nichola Muraguri)
Halejoetse Tsehlana
M.G. Vassanji (1950– )
Ngugi wa Mirii (1951– )
Ngũgĩ wa Thiong'o (1938– )
Koigi wa Wamwere (1949– )
Daniel Wabala
Binyavanga Wainaina winner Caine Prize 2002 (1971– )
Ken Walibora
Kyallo W. Wamitila [1966, Winner, Jomo Kenyatta Prize (Kiswahili Adult Fiction (2001), (2005) and (2007]
Gakaara Wanjau

GONZO D of no 34 ( or if anyone knows gonzo , please forward this messege) please write to me enigma4ever@earthlink.net, or come to my blog and leave me a messege, http://watergatesummer.blogspot.com

I am a nurse, mom and I would be happy to help you with autism resources, support and information. I was very moved by your comment,and your struggle, and I hear you and want to help.....

30 years of fundie action

Groucho...of 57..
some people are more "evolved" than others....let's hope and pray that this person is not teaching with such a lack of compassion...

Open your eyes people, you've been duped. AIDs is man made genocidal weapon created by Litton Bionetics, the Germ Warfare Labs at Ft. Detrick, Dr. Robert Gallo, Merck, the Rockerfeller foundation, and Henry Kissinger among other people in the United States government. It was released against the gay rights movement and the people of Africa at the same time in the 70s during the small pox vaccinations.

Robert Gallo: The Man That Created AIDS
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDxZ7PX8YGI

Merck Vaccine Chief Brings HIV/AIDS to America
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edikv0zbAlU

The AIDS virus: Made in the USA?

By Jerry Mazza
Online Journal Contributing Writer

October 26, 2005 - " You mean AIDS (Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome) didn't come from a green monkey that bit a black African on the ass? Are you lying to us again, Uncle Sam? I think so.

In fact, on July 29, 1969, only days after the Department of Defense (DOD) asked for $10 million from Congress to fund the development of a "synthetic biological agent, an agent that does not naturally exist and for which no natural immunity could have been acquired ..." on that day, the chairman of the Republican Task Force on Earth Resources and Population, the Honorable George H. W. Bush, U.S. Representative from Texas, 7th District (1967–71), stressed the pressing need for population control activities to fend off "a growing Third World crisis." Imagine.

Here is the linked text of the Dept. of Defense request for Appropriation for 1970, HB 15090, from page 129. Quoted is Dr. MacArthur from said Pentagon, speaking to Robert L.F. Sikes, Florida, about the need for the above mentioned "synthetic biological agent" [italics mine].

There are two things about the biological agent field I would like to mention. One is the possibility of technological surprise. Molecular biology is a field that is advancing very rapidly and eminent biologists believe that within a period of 5 to 10 years it would be possible to produce a synthetic biological agent, an agent that does not naturally exist and for which no natural immunity could have been acquired.

Mr. Sikes. Are we doing any work in that field?

Dr. MacArthur. We are not.

Mr. Sikes.. Why not? Lack of money or lack of interest?

Dr. MacArthur. Certainly not lack of interest.

Mr. Sikes. Would you provide for our records information on what would be required, what the advantages of such a program would be. the time and the cost involved?

Dr. MacArthur. We will be very happy to.

The information follows:

The dramatic progress being made in the field of molecular biology led us to investigate the relevance of this field of science to biological warfare. A small group of experts considered this matter and provided the following observations:

All biological agents up to the present time are representatives of naturally occurring disease. and are thus known by scientists throughout the world. They are easily available to qualified scientists for research. either for offensive or defensive purposes.

Within the next 5 to 10 years. it would probably be possible to make a new infective microorganism which could differ in certain important aspects from any known disease-causing organisms. Most important of these is that it might be refractory to the immunological and therapeutic processes upon which we depend to maintain our relative freedom from infectious disease.

A research program to explore the feasibility of this could be completed in approximately 5 years at the total cost of $10 million.

It would be very difficult to establish such a program. Molecular biology is a relatively new science. There are not many highly competent scientists in the field. Almost all are in university laboratories. And they are generally adequately supported from sources other than DOD. However, it was considered possible to initiate an adequate program through the National Academy of Sciences - National Research Council (NAS—NRC).

The matter was discussed with the NAS-NRC. and tentative plans were made to initiate the program. However. decreasing funds in CB [chemical-biowarfare]. growing criticism of the CB. program, and our reluctance to involve the NAS NRC in such a controversial endeavor have led us to postpone it for the past 2 years.

It is a highly controversial issue and there are many who believe such research should not be undertaken lest it lead to yet another method of massive killing of large populations. On the other hand, without the sure scientific knowledge that such a weapon is possible. and an understanding of the ways it could be done, there is little that can be done to devise defensive measures. Should an enemy develop it there is little doubt that this is an important area of potential military technological inferiority in which there is no adequate . . .

And so on. And thus spake Dr MacArthur. And the $10 million appropriation was granted. And it worked, perhaps the beginning of the end.

Enter Dr. Robert Strecker

Flash forward to 1983. Dr. Robert Strecker of Los Angeles, a practicing gastroenterologist with a Ph.D. in pharmacology, is hired as a consultant to work on a health care proposal for an HMO of the Security Pacific Bank, concerning coverage costs in the event any of 30,000 employees came down with AIDS. Along with the help of his brother, Theodore, a lawyer, the two compiled extensive research of the epidemic which ultimately became The Strecker Memorandum.

In it, Dr. Strecker indicated that the AIDS virus was in fact developed by the National Cancer Institute, in cooperation with the World Health Organization (WHO), in a laboratory at Ft. Dietrick in Maryland. From 1970–74, this laboratory facility was part of the U.S. Army's germ warfare unit, known as the Army Infectious Disease Unit, or Special Operations Division, also referred to as the Army's Chemical Biological Warfare Laboratory. Post 1974, the facility was renamed the National Cancer Institute (NCI). According to researcher William Cooper (former Navy Intelligence), noted in Larry Jamison's article Is The AIDS Virus Man Made?, this work was supervised by the CIA under a project called MK-NAOMI. [To get to this site click link, then "All News," then "Next page"]

Dr. Strecker has also traced some of the research and researchers at Ft. Dietrick/NCI to a group of Japanese scientists captured at WW II's end and given amnesty in exchange for information on racial and ethnic bio-weaponry, their research dating back to 1930. What's more, expatriated Russian scientists were brought in to help as well.

Dr. Strecker, one of the original and foremost authorities on the AIDS virus, found that the virus creation was conducted under the leadership of Dr. Robert Gallo, who later claimed to discover the virus. Dr. Gallo and his team created the AIDS virus by combining the bovine (cattle) leukemia virus and visna (sheep) virus, and injecting them into human tissue cultures.

They discovered, as Strecker did, that bovine leukemia virus is lethal to cattle, but not to humans. And the visna virus is deadly to sheep, but not to man. However, when combined, they produce a retro-virus that can change the genetic composition of the cells they enter. In fact, as Larry Jamison points out, early field tests on prison convicts led to sickness then death, which inspired Gallo and friends to bigger and more terrible things, including injecting brothers and sisters with the tainted vaccine to see who died first. This was done to study HLA (human leukocyte antigen processing), to see how related people reacted. Frighteningly, whole families got sick at once! And there was worse to come.

The AIDS retro-virus works, as Dr. Strecker states, by causing the destruction of the immune system, fundamentally the body's white blood or T-cells essential to the effectiveness of the immune system particularly against opportunistic infections diseases. The B-cells deal with more benign, bacterial infections. AZT, the drug which is a kind of junk food that starves the AIDS virus, often kills the patient as well. It provides dubious consolation.

Predictably, when Robert and Theodore tried to share their findings with national, state and local authorities, they received only two responses. On August 11, 1988, Ted Strecker, was found shot to death in his home in Springfield, Missouri. The death was ruled a suicide, in spite of the fact that Dr. Robert Strecker had spoken to his brother on the phone the night before, and Ted was both healthy and in good spirits. On September 12, 1988, the lone political official who had responded to the Streckers' findings, Illinois State Representative Douglas Huff of Chicago, was found dead in his home. The autopsy claimed he died of a stroke as a result of an overdose of cocaine and heroin. Huff had been an outspoken supporter of Dr. Strecker's work to publicize what was in essence an AIDS cover-up.

Dr. Strecker himself is said to have "gone underground" about five years ago. Yet copies of his Strecker Memorandum are available on DVD and VHS. His passion and massive knowledge have not faded since 1988 when the piece was produced. See it if you can.

The common disinformation on AIDS that Strecker fought was the claim that AIDS origin came from a green monkey biting a black man's backside in Africa. Strecker and a number of virologists pointed out that the AIDS virus doesn't appear naturally in any animal. Plus, it would have been impossible to reach the point of millions infected from a single episode. More likely, they said, if the virus had come from green monkeys, it would have surfaced with the Pygmies, who are closer to them, and use them as a food source. Ironically, Pygmies contracted AIDS later on when they had intercourse with prostitutes in cities, where the AIDS virus first appeared, not in the jungle.

Also, concerning green monkeys, Dr. William Campbell Douglass, MD, writes in 1987 in W.H.O. Murdered Africa : "This is the origin of the green monkey theory. The polio vaccine was grown on green monkey kidney cells and the geniuses who brought us polio vaccine said: 'We got away with it once so let's use it again.' But they didn't get away with it and in spite of the fact that polio was rapidly disappearing without any medical intervention, 64 million Americans were vaccinated with SV-40 contaminated vaccine in the 60s. An increase in cancer of the brain, possibly multiple sclerosis and God only knows what else is the tragic result. The delay between vaccination and the onset of cancer with this virus is as long as 20–30 years. Ninteen sixty-five plus 20 equals 1985. Get the picture?"

Why, Where and When the AIDS Epidemic First Reared its Head

In 1972, under the auspices of the World Health Organization (WHO), there was a massive vaccination program for smallpox, literally for millions of Africans. Strecker and others believe that the smallpox vaccine laced with the HIV/AIDS virus was given the population, which was mostly black, poor, and part of that startlingly growing African population that GHW Bush, among many elites, the Rockefeller family, the Club of Rome crowd and Bilderbegers, had been concerned with in 1969, and back to 1965, when "the Club" was formed. The intent was to achieve their awful goal—of reducing the world's population by 75 percent—as mentioned in The Modern History Project. This is the main reason the AIDS pandemic occurred almost simultaneously in Haiti, Brazil, Japan, and the United States, as well as Central Africa.

As Jamison tells us, "There was a book in 1968 titled The Population Bomb, by Dr. Paul Ehrlich that had a very telling paragraph on page 17 that probably tells us the key thinking that was behind the decision. Dr. Ehrlich says 'in summary, the world's population will continue to grow as long as the birth rate exceeds the death rate; it's as simple as that. When it stops growing or starts to shrink, it will mean that either the birth rate has gone down or the death rate has gone up or a combination of the two. Basically, then there are only two kinds of solutions to the population problem. One is a birth rate solution (remember the ZPG—Zero Population Growth—movement?) The other is a death rate solution in which ways to raise the death rate—war, famine, pestilence—find us. The problem could have been avoided by population control, in which mankind consciously adjusted the birth rate so that a 'death rate solution' did not have to occur.' " How thoughtful of them all.

Jamison goes on to say: "The late William Cooper, in his excellent book Behold A Pale Horse notes that Dr. Ehrlich's wife, Anne, is a member of the Club Of Rome, a think tank group that produced a computer model called Global 2000 which not only outlined the recommendations for AIDS, including a special prophylactic for the ruling elite, and a cure at the very same time which is to be released to the survivors when it is decided enough people have died. According to Cooper, the Global 2000 plan was developed at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology and then presented to President Carter. Cooper's research determined that the order to proceed with the plan 'was given by the policy committee of the Bilderberg Group in Switzerland.' "

He adds, "The Bilderbergers ... are a powerful alliance of elite world political leaders and international financiers. ... In his book, Cooper also mentions the 'Haig-Kissinger depopulation policy which has taken over various levels of government and in fact is determining U.S. Policy. The planning organization operates outside the White House and directs its entire efforts to reduce the world’s population by 2 billion people through war, famine and any other means necessary.' Active policies of our State Department go beyond the implementation of AIDS, because Cooper mentions the existence of the office of Population Affairs whose Latin American case officer Thomas Ferguson actually made the statement that 'There is a single theme behind all of our work: we must reduce population levels. Either they do it our way through nice clean methods or they will get the kind of mess that we have in El Salvador, or in Iran or in Beirut.' " That 'messy and clean' language has a familiar ring to it.

And in fact, on May 11, 1987, as The Modern History Project, Jamison, and others point out, no less than the London Times broke the story "Smallpox Vaccine 'Triggered AIDS Virus.' " It was written by Science Editor Pearce Wright, who, challenged by independent investigators' research, went on to tie the World Health Organization's mass vaccination program to the AIDS outbreak. Since Central (Sub-Saharan) Africa was the locus of the program, it has tragically become the most hard-hit area of the world. The London Times article, which spread like wildfire over Europe, never touched the shores of America. The story was buried like the first AIDS victim.

The irony is that AIDS is considered a heterosexual disease in Africa, while in America it has been stigmatized as a 'gay' disease. The dark heart of that matter begins in 1969, with a Dr. W. Schmugner, a Polish physician educated in Russia, who came to America where he became head of the New York City Blood Bank. He established guidelines for a Hepatitis B vaccine study, in which only "promiscuous males," ages 20 to 40 were included in the study, managing to somehow single out only gays.

In 1978, more than a thousand "promiscuous homosexual" males were the victims of this "experimental" Hepatitis B vaccination, sponsored by the National Institute of Health (NIH) and Centers for Disease Control (CDC). Since the vaccine was not produced from human tissue culture, it's impossible to have an accidental contamination. In plain language, the AIDS virus was intentionally laced into the Hep B vaccine. By 1981, the CDC claimed that only 6 percent of the Hep B vaccine recipients were infected with AIDS. In 1984, the truth was outed: the number was 64 percent. That's right, 64 percent. Not surprisingly, these Hep B vaccines studies are now under lock and key at the No Justice Department in Washington, DC. And no one can see them. No, no, no, not you, not you, not you.

Helping to Further Spread the Disease

To help the disease really dig into the population, vital information was additionally covered-up. Emphasis was put on the prime cause of AIDS infection as the exchange of body fluid through sexual activity and intravenous drug use. This gave birth to a campaign for using clean unused needles as well as condoms. Lovely. The fact is condom use is not a guarantee against contracting the disease. One AIDS virion (a virus particle with outer coat intact) is 500 times smaller than the smallest sperm and 10 times smaller than the smallest hole in a condom and therefore can pierce it. Failure rates of 30–50 percent have been noted, and condom quality itself is under scrutiny. Nevertheless, this is not, I repeat, not a recommendation to anyone not to use a condom.

What's more, the risk of casual contact has been understated. I don't mean to anger anyone here or bail on the afflicted, but AIDS is highly contagious. There is hard evidence, which Strecker mentioned, that the AIDS virus can survive on a dry petri dish for 7 days, and up to 15 days in a wet environment. Incubation in a host can last for 10 to 15 years before there is noticeable sign of illness. This means a carrier could unknowingly pass on the disease in that time. It's a painful proposition all around, including the caution of Professor William Haseltine of Harvard Medical School: "Anyone who tells you categorically that AIDS is not contracted by saliva is not telling you the truth. AIDS may in fact be transmissible by tears, saliva, bodily fluids, and mosquito bites."

Whether you agree with the above or not, the larger context is that this pox, this abomination, was created and spread consciously by the United States government against black heterosexual populations and then gay white populations, and then spread to populations at large around the world. This mass-murder has already dwarfed the holocaust, in which six million people were murdered with industrial technology. The evil geniuses behind this virus have bio-engineered an organism that multiples 100 times faster than influenza. There are more than 180 different AIDS viruses and 300 strains, which makes blood testing meaningless. Strecker's number for possible AIDS viruses was 9,000 (base pairs on the genome) to the fourth power.

In Conclusion for Now

The notion of a single vaccine to deal with all the permutations is impossible, according to Strecker, Dr. Campbell Douglass, and other doctors. What’s more, UN statistics, to the extent that they can be trusted, approximate that:

* People living with HIV number 39.4 million . . .

* New HIV infections in 2004 were 4.9 million . . .

* Deaths due to AIDS in 2004 were 3.1 million . . .

Avert.Org puts the total number of people living with AIDS at 39.4 million.

Concerning total AIDS deaths, Dr. Campbell Douglass writes: "Dr. Strecker points out that even if the African green monkey could transmit AIDS to humans, the present known amount of infection in Africa makes it statistically impossible for a single episode, such as a monkey biting someone on the butt, to have brought this epidemic to this point [1987]. The doubling time of the number of people infected, about every 14 months, when correlated with the first known case and the present known number of cases, prove beyond a doubt that a large number of people had to have been infected at the same time. Starting in 1972 with the first case from our mythical monkey and doubling the number infected from the single source you get only a few thousand cases. From 1972 to 1987 is 15 years or 180 months. If it takes 14 months to double the number of cases then there would have been 13 doublings, one then 2, then 4, then 8, etc. In 15 years, from a single source of infection there would be about 8,000 cases in Africa, not 75 million. [That's his bottom line then for Africa alone] We are approaching World War II mortality statistics here - without a shot being fired."

Thus, we are faced with a species-killer, a global war on humanity, silently out-pacing anything but all-out nuclear conflagration. To those of us in North America, to those of us who are healthy (we hope), these figures, this plague, seem distant often, happening to others, a subject already talked to death. Unless light can continue to be shed on AIDS soon, even from some dark figure among those who perpetuated it, where is the future and how do we take life today for granted tomorrow? In the haze of a television culture, of endless ballgames, "reality" shows, sitcoms, apocalypse movies, and romantic comedies, where is the light? AIDS was man made in the USA, and is not God's wrath on gays, Africans, Latinos, or women, as various crackpots would have us believe. AIDS is about all of us and our generations surviving the crass dementia of some ruling class. Like the virus, the enemy is within the social body, feasting on it. It's time, one way or the other, to turn this dark light and its ops out.

For Additional Information:

Google: Gay Cancer, Emerging Viruses and AIDS—The Possible Connection Between Biowarfare Experimentation and the New Epidemic of Immunosuppression and Cancer, by Alan Cantwell, Jr. M.D. Or look for any of the good doctor's outstanding essays or books on AIDS.

AIDS Genocide: The Crime That Dare Not Speak Its Name!

Is AIDS Man-Made? This is a transcript of an interview in Los Angeles on KPFA's radio show This Way Out, with Dr. Robert Strecker and Dr. Allen Cantwell, broadcast 2/5/90. Pardon its typos, catch its truth. "

Jerry Mazza is a freelance writer who resides I New York. Reach him at gvmaz@....

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On the children:

Something needs to be done, but what? People in these underdeveloped countries have children who have no future other than make more children if lucky enough to live to maturity.
So these charities, most of them christian or a few other religions, try to save these children, for just that purpose.
This is all a catch-if-catch-can, the numbers will grow exponentially unless birth control becomes a major component of the aid given to these countries.

ronhohn @ 62:

On the children:

Something needs to be done, but what? People in these underdeveloped countries have children who have no future other than make more children if lucky enough to live to maturity.
So these charities, most of them christian or a few other religions, try to save these children, for just that purpose.
This is all a catch-if-catch-can, the numbers will grow exponentially unless birth control becomes a major component of the aid given to these countries.

Not something-- lots and lots of things.
There are lots of little projects to get third-world people nutrition and education, from nano-scale nutrients delivered in peanut butter to efforts to give them wind-up powered notebook-computers. Creative solutions from science and business.

Narnie @ 65:

Wow... I knew of the terrible statistics regarding Aids in the 3rd world but I had hoped that the attitudes of some people towards it were merely myths. This thread is fascinating and depressing... I'm just a normal person who doesn't want to see children die because of ignorance, politics or religion. I can't believe that there are people around who don't feel the same. Oh well. I shall continue being who I am and they can stay in their ignorant bubble. Sorry, I know this doesn't add to the debate but I just had to comment.

I disagree. I think your statement adds plenty.

If Bush stood up and said 'I am a Zimbabwe chieftain, eight feet tall, and I care for my people, in fact, all the people of my continent. I go among them every day and minister to their needs, and none has died unnecessarily for the past ten years, since I have looked over them'.

Would you believe him?

Why would someone believe him when he says he is a christian, or speaks with 'god'?

Is one statement more far-fetched than the other?

Ok, but think of the kids that don't die:

In Kenya, 65%
In Namibia, 52%
In So. Africa, 50%
In Zimbabwe, 50%
In Botswana, 36%

We're gonna be overrun with AIDS survivors

The people who suffer all over the world have my empathy and my sympathy.
I do my best to be a good neighbor and care for people around me who may need a hand or help in some way.
I try to be community minded and work to keep it clean and safe.
I also care for the old and infirm in my own family.
It's the best I can offer.

The Scar, Huckleberry, and Beef Chuck rock with gawd
We know where Joe stands....or kneels.

anon @ 2:

I'd like to see people worry about our Indian Reservations before we worry about Africa (which should mostly be Europe's responsibility). Pine Ridge is worse than the above mention African countries in many respects.

Exactly. Native American reservations are worse than Third World areas. The USA needs to finish cleaning up its own messes with the blacks and the Natives before it can, with all honesty, attempt to fix other peoples'.

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SicofFknLiars @ 75:

YOu also have to resarch the ties with the W.H.O. small pox vaccine program in certain regions in the 3rd world and the AIDs out break in the same regions.

Just like a said earlier. It's not a bunch of Africans having sex with kids or having sex with monkeys or eating monkey meat.

Please sir, do explain why AIDS started with gays in the USA. If this were a genocidal disease campaign, it would have begun with blacks first and then spread to gays. Besides, if you wanted to start a lethal pandemic, there's other lovely tools one could use. The Cold War led to both the USA and the USSR inventing bioweapons much more efficient than AIDS.

As in, 90% lethal. Put 90% of the population of modern countries dead, the sheer chaos resulting, and you've got near complete extermination. Until the 1970s, that was a part of both Soviet and American plans for Mutually Assured Suicide.

By Cold War standards, AIDS is pathetic. Considering you said this genocide started during the Cold War, you need to recheck your facts.

Blame Bush is all you Libs know, you're all a bunch of Fucking Idiots lol. Get a Life and a Job!

Hi, All,

2 things I'd like to draw your attention to if you are interested in helping children under five around the world to live and thrive.

1. 50% of all under five childhood deaths in every country in the world are linked to moderate malnutrition. From Indian reservations in the US of A to Zambia. Getting good food to kids saves lives and helps kids reach their full potential. www.who.int/en

2. The numbers posted on C and L are from the countries with the highest pediatric AIDS rates in the world. The biggest killers of under 5 children around the world are easily preventable causes: starvation, diarrhea, and pneumonia. www.who.int/en. This is not to say that resources should not go into AIDS prevention and treatment, but that those resources need to be proportional so that sufficient resources go to the biggest killers.

CoIntelPro @ 13:

anon @ 2:

I'd like to see people worry about our Indian Reservations before we worry about Africa (which should mostly be Europe's responsibility). Pine Ridge is worse than the above mention African countries in many respects.

wow! I have a four-letter stream brewing on this one because this has really inspired my anger. for the sake of my blood pressure, I'll refrain. I can't even fathom the motivation behind that statement. people are suffering and dying and that is what comes to mind? "fuck them because I know others who are suffering more?" wow! a new low.

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i don't think he's saying "i know of others who suffer more"
he is saying "how can anyone have enough care to go around for those who aren't americans."
there are indeed many problems here in the u.s. but to compare the plight of the native american to what is suffered in large parts of africa is way off chart.
caring should not be parsed.

we need to provide condoms and AIDS education... we need to eliminate Bush's limitations on programs that mention contraception... those are a start... a big problem, though, is the cultural beliefs that can stymie progress about the disease: condoms are sinful, sex with a virgin will innoculate you from AIDS, etc.

enor @ 26:

Anyone see a THEME here? Katrina? American poor? Our mistreated Native Americans? Africans?

Many confused Fundamentalists* are mainly concerned about accepting Christ in their lives (and in others) becuase

they will not be judged by their actions on Earth. (Explains why it is such a great seller in our prisons.)

Many like them...

READ: BUSH and his pathetic lot, give a rat's ass about the poor (EVEN THOUGH IT IS THE #1 THEME of the

Christian Bible). Those MegaChurch temples are not what Jesus had in mind.

Mix in the fact that those suffering people we are talking about are NOT white, you get an idea why

BUSHCO doesn't care about AIDS, hunger, Flooding, etc. etc. They can do what they want; ignore science, ruin the

environment, exploit the gov't, ignore the constitution, torture, start wars, etc. etc.

They feel they have their ticket to Heaven booked.

...and they get very mad when you criticize them.

It is all so clear to them: black or white, with us or against us, good or evil.

It's all very convenient for them. *NOTE: Many Christians get it right.

Meanwhile, the rest of the world is going to hell.

E

"The Pride of the dying rich raises the loudest laughter in Hell." John Foster

Looks like the global elite's plan for reducing the world's population is working pretty well.

Ethan @ 82:

Blame Bush is all you Libs know, you're all a bunch of Fucking Idiots lol. Get a Life and a Job!

Did you make that up? I feel like I've seen it before.

Where did all the money go from the donations we all sent in after Sept. 11th, 2001. I've never seen so many fundraisers throughout the country. Where did all the money go after the Tsunami? Where did all the money go that was donated to the victims of Katrina? I don't ever see reports on what this money accomplishes or where it goes? If we don't hold our leaders accountable for their crimes, we don't deserve any better I guess. I hope in '08 we start holding them accountable.

Their are truly evil people in the world. Mass Murderers. Kissinger seems to be one of these. Population Control advocates. War Profiteers. Agent Orange and Disease Controllers. We the people who care about each other need to start admitting this stuff and acting to educate others about it as well.

Charles D of No97 ...When people lose their Humanity, the Earth is indeed in Trouble...we are discussing the lives of thousands of orphans, orphaned by Disease, by Ignorance of Wealthier Countries pretending to be religious preaching,judging and dictating medical care- abstinance programs(aka crap) (instead of supplying much needed medical care)....we are talking about Children orphaned by Apathy and Greed...We are talking about a Disease that is worse than the Black Plague..and just so you know even "Colonial Countries" suffered the wrath of the Black Plague....

Children should never die in Scores Because Other Adults of Means were willing to turn a Blind Eye....

re: Original story and hook

It is time to get angry, time to do something. We can no longer sit back and say “that is awful, somebody should do something”. It is our world. It’s our responsibility.”

OMG! QUICK! someone start another Blog!

Raising awareness is one thing, but what if you spent all that time blogging actually working a paying job and donating the money to a real cause?

just a thought, and it only costs 2¢

-Doug

Chris from Ohio @ 92:

Looks like the global elite's plan for reducing the world's population is working pretty well.

Right. The AIDs virus was most likely introduced in Africa specifically for this purpose - just to make sure it works. The Rockefellers, Rothschilds and other elite dynastic families have been working on eugenics for more than a century. In addition to killing off large segments of the African population with disease, they are also destroying the capacity for longterm food production by community farmers, by insisting that only GMO seed is sold and used across the continent (I think Monsanto and a few other cos. are pushing that along with the UN). The seed is specifically produced to terminate at the end of the growing season, menaing that the plants do not produce new seed that farmers can use for the next growing season. They have to go back to the seed companies and spend all of their money to buy new seed, so they cannot afford to expand the food production.

What a nice lot these world leaders are - if they can't kill the kids with disease they'll just starve 'em all. Makes me want to .......drag all of their asses tothe Hague and hang 'em high.

Doug @ 100:

re: Original story and hook

It is time to get angry, time to do something. We can no longer sit back and say “that is awful, somebody should do something”. It is our world. It’s our responsibility.”

OMG! QUICK! someone start another Blog!

Raising awareness is one thing, but what if you spent all that time blogging actually working a paying job and donating the money to a real cause?

just a thought, and it only costs 2¢

Real cute Doug. Most of us have jobs I think, the economy tanked, so a lot of unemployment. But I work at my own store 60 hours a week, this is my way of relaxing and staying in touch with what's going on. Having said that, I don't think money is the answer either, look at the $8 billion thrown around and squandered in Iraq. That's just payola, that doesn't include the $ spent on killing off as many people as necessary to steal the oil we want. And I blame that on Bush, he is in charge ETHAN AT 46, that's called accountability. Look it up.
What should be done, is corporations and pharmaceuticals should make food and health care a priority for the world, that will help all of us. Then the unemployed, underemployed and worker bees won't have to give up more, the ones who are robbing the world of it's resources should provide them to all.

The fact that there are still 28% of Americans believing the 9/11 killers were from Iraq, proves we still need to raise awareness at many levels.

mudshark-

This is why yer here. Enjoy!

that was laughs................I could 've sworn I saw Ken Melman and Tom Delay in the audience.

Alright, back to the other thread!

xoites defends Constitution @ 48:

david blimmo @ 44:

xoites defends Constitution @ 38:

david blimmo @ 24:

I can only assume by this statement that you are opposed to prisons, law enforcement and treatment for homicidal maniacs. Without them you would most likely be as dead physically as you are emotionally.

Law enforcement, prisons, and the permanent removal of homicidal maniacs from society are all signs of a successfully evolved culture. A culture that has made no significant scientific and technological progress, that has never given anything positive to the world, that cannot organize and manage even one functional society, and that must depend on more advanced nations to feed and provide medical care to its people is a FAILED culture created by evolutionary failures. Nature is obviously selecting against such cultures. That the advanced nations of the world are NOT dying of AIDS enmasse, and do not allow their citizens to wantonly murder people and eat their hearts and livers as the evolutionary failures do, is a sign of successful evolution (so far).

Only an inexperienced, uneducated child and/or a neurotic crybaby would label someone who understands what natural selection is as "emotionally dead." Grow up, punk.

Racist bullshit.

We have a homicidal maniac in the Office of the president so evidently we have not managed to remove them all from society.
According to what i can glean from the FBI site between 1986 and 1995 approximately 50 million people have been murdered in the US. As far as Kenya never giving anything to the world you will have to admit it has given you a misplaced sense of smug superiority. Africa's state is not the fault of Africa as you so ignorantly state. It was pillaged and raped by Europe and the US for centuries.

You do not know what you are talking about, you have no sense or insight into history and you are probably around 16 years old.

I made no claim that any society has removed ALL homicidal maniacs. Try to pay attention.

If Africa has been "pillaged and raped by Europe and the US for centuries" as you claim it is evidence only of the inferiority of the cultures created by the evolutionary failures that inhabit that continent. It is natural selection in action. Are you really unable to comprehend this fact?

xoites defends Constitution @ 52:

A culture that has made no significant scientific and technological progress, that has never given anything positive to the world

List of Kenyan Writers

Abdullatif Abdalla
Sayyid Aidarusi
Karen Blixen aka Isak Dinesen (1885–1962)
Rocha Chimera
Yusuf Dawood
Mwangi Gicheru
Moraa Gitaa
Muyaka bin Haji al-Ghassany
Elspeth Huxley (1907–1997)
Francis Imbuga
Billy Kahora
Parselelo Kantai
Peter Kareithi
Jomo Kenyatta (1892?–1978)
Leonard Kibera
Marjorie McGoye
Mwana Kupona binti Msham
Micere Mugo (1942– )
Henry Muoria
Wahome Muthahi (–2003)
Joseph Muthee
Meja Mwangi (1948– )
Ahmad Nassir
Hilary Ngweno
Rebeka Njau (1930– )
Chacha Nyaigotti-Chacha (1952– )
Asenath Bole Odaga
Atieno Odhiambo (1945–)
Margaret Ogola
Grace Ogot (1930– )
Henry Ole Kulet (1946-– )
Yvonne Adhiambo Owuor winner Caine Prize 2003
Mwangi Ruheni (real Name Nichola Muraguri)
Halejoetse Tsehlana
M.G. Vassanji (1950– )
Ngugi wa Mirii (1951– )
Ngũgĩ wa Thiong'o (1938– )
Koigi wa Wamwere (1949– )
Daniel Wabala
Binyavanga Wainaina winner Caine Prize 2002 (1971– )
Ken Walibora
Kyallo W. Wamitila [1966, Winner, Jomo Kenyatta Prize (Kiswahili Adult Fiction (2001), (2005) and (2007]
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Next, you'll be claiming they invented peanut butter.
Gakaara Wanjau

I say that if Africa wants our help, they need to take some steps at becoming civilized. They can start by doing more to stop poaching, and the bushmeat trade. Africans need to do the most to change their own barbaric cultures, not Europe or the USA.

david blimmo @ 117:

Narnie @ 65:

Wow... I knew of the terrible statistics regarding Aids in the 3rd world but I had hoped that the attitudes of some people towards it were merely myths. This thread is fascinating and depressing... I'm just a normal person who doesn't want to see children die because of ignorance, politics or religion. I can't believe that there are people around who don't feel the same. Oh well. I shall continue being who I am and they can stay in their ignorant bubble. Sorry, I know this doesn't add to the debate but I just had to comment.

If you REALLY want to "save" these peole, go ahead and treat them medically, feed them, clothe them, house them, educate them, entertain them--but SERILIZE the children AND their parents so their (OUR) problems die naturally when they do. If you don't, you're only guaranteeing that there will be millions MORE to suffer generation after generation. Be as merciful as nature is and stand aside while it works its magic.

I shouldn't bother, but I have one last comment for you, you are the one that needs to be sterilized, we don't need anymore soulless beings around. You give Americans and humans a bad name. Please go back to Rush and leave those of us who care about the world alone.