January 08, 2008 11:30 PM
Open Thread
Putting New Hampshire in perspective, a commenter at Street Prophets pointed out early last night,
With about 10-11% reporting...Hillary has more than twice as many votes as McCain...Obama has far more than twice what Romney has...Edwards is nearing three times Huckabee's numbers...Giuliani's with a handful more than Richardson...Paul has twice Kucinich...[and] Grampa Fred is beating Duncan Hunter by more than 2 to 1!
However… write-in’s are beating Fred.
Open Thread below...
I'm curious, and I'm wondering if I can access the opinions of Those Who Know Their Political Stuff:
How will the 2008 general election differ from the voting trends here? I have a feeling that when it's down to one Republican and one Democrat, the ultraconservatives will come out of the woodwork to vote even if they aren't particularly enthused by whomever their choice is. 'Anyone but [insert Democrat here]!' will be their cry.
I'm just wondering if I'm right, as much as I'd love to see a Democrat win the Presidential race with 60% of the popular vote or more.
I don't think the polling was off. I think that "blowback" from the Lame Stream Media's attacks on Hillary for the supposed crying, and seeing people yell "Iron My Shirt" that caused a rather dramatic shift.
There was this election, in which the eventual President didn't win either Iowa nor New Hampshire Democratic primaries. His name is Clinton. I imagine that it wasn't the first time that happened.
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Stan Rosenthal @ 2:
There were also people who were always going to vote for Hillary Clinton in that state, by and by. I remember thinking that it was going to go to Hillary long before her eyes got a little red and people decided that she was 'shedding tears.' She had polled rather well there earlier, and even right before the election according to several polls that weren't pounced on by the news.
So Thompson screwed-up as a presidential candidate, and he probably screwed-up his acting career (who in hell would pay to see him?!).
So I guess he'll have to go back to being just a do-nothing, good-for-nothing, Senator.
Join The Club again, Freddie.
Americans are probably stupid. That's my explanation.
Just a couple days ago, Sibel Edmonds started naming names (or posting pictures) of those involved in the FBI Whistleblower allegations regarding high-end U.S. politicians involved in selling U.S. nuclear secrets.
This story is something that should put this nation to a screeching halt and should have Americans pissed to high heaven about this crazy betrayal to the American people.
This is serious shit, but no one seems to care.
None of the Presidential hopefuls will touch the story. These are the people we are picking as our next President? Presidential hopefuls that ignore thee most important crisis this nation has ever seen!DIN
Selling nuclear secrets to the highest bidder, enabling this technology to get out to people that would do us harm! We have American soldiers dying for the Americans values they signed up for while our U.S. politicians are selling nuclear secrets to the highest bidder?!
If you're an American, who the hell are you to ignore this story?! The Primaries?! Fuck the primaries! We got U.S. officials that betrayed our nation to the highest degree!
Americans wake up! Your government has betrayed you and has put you and your family's lives at stake so they can make a buck or two off of the most destructive technology known to mankind!
WTF is the matter with you!
Shawnmeat @ 1:
For the 2008 election, the plan is to deviate from the norm. As soon as it gets down to one republican and one democrat, there will be a duel. Each candidate will receive a large supply of barbs and arrows, and a custom back-knife. A circular 'ring' (as in boxing) will be laid out in the rotunda of the capital, with plenty of room for spectators outside the ropes.
The combatants will be thrown into the ring, and the survivor will be president. Since there will be no screening of 'spectators' for weapons, the bout is likely to be lively, in fact, the movie rights were sold to an Oliver Stone/Sam Peckinpah/Clint Eastwood consortium, for an amount reputed to be 50% of the National Debt. So even the loser of the duel will have the satisfaction of contributing to the national welfare. Which may not be true of the winner, time will tell.
what are write ins?
Here's something that I'm a tad confused about.
We can't even discuss torture, because we don't want the "enemy" to know what techniques we use, because they might be able to prepare themselves for it. (There's no evidence at all that you can prepare yourself to be drowned, since what causes the distress is a reflex, but that's the idea.)
OK, then why are we discussing in public the idea of putting mini-SDIs on commercial airliners? example Wouldn't that also allow the enemy to adjust their tactics?
One explanation is that the people running the show are idiots and didn't realize that we ought to keep secret what kinds of missiles we're ready for and what kinds we're not.
Another explanation is that we don't care what they know and the secrecy about torture is simple the Admin covering up violations of US and international law. (This is my personal favorite.)
A third is that the airliner SDIs are fake and it's a 29-million-dollar misinformation campaign. A sub-version of this is the idea that the things work as well as Patriot missiles; the one thing we aren't ready for are heat-seekers, so we're trying to make them think that we are.
I'm sure that there are others. Most of all, the stories today about the system had me confused.
Stan Rosenthal @ 2:
I'm telling ya, the polling was right on. The media was right on.
The voting was screwed-up.
Preacher Boob @ 8:
But... but... all we want is life beyond the Thunderdome!
JTM @ 10:
No wonder you're confused. Your basic assumption is erroneous. There is no 'we' and 'they', there is no 'enemy', at least not one that can be differentiated from 'we'.
'We' are it. There is no 'other'. To paraphrase Pogo, 'We have not yet met the enemy, for 'he' is 'we'.'
Bush tries to bring back the Gulf of Tonkin to Iran. Some people still can't deal with a black golf player. Justice Kennedy doesn't care about black people. I brought this up earlier, but gas is expected to be $3.50 a gallon.
LibertyLust @ 7:
If it is not in the news and nobody hears it, is it news. Fox news producer in "Orwell Rolls In His Grave." Google it.
I got my own personal "bingo" moment with the Hillary "cry" episode.
Does anyone remember Bill Clinton's C-SPAN broadcast seminar for college students in Arkansas a little more than four years ago?
His prescription for winning a presidential race contained three items:
A) show people that you have the qualities that people like in your opponent.
B) show people something about your opponent that if people knew it, they wouldn't like them so much.
C) show people something that your opponent can't possibly offer that you can.
First Hillary had to be for change, second they trotted out the (false) Iraq war and abortion claims and third Hillary was a woman..something Obama can't be.
Exactly Bill Clinton's prescription for winning, by the book.
Preacher Boob @ 11:
LOL
Actually I'd like to see the Clintons get revenge on the neocons after the 15 years of sh*t they and the American public had to put up with from them.
LibertyLust @ 7:
Y'know... we might just get angry about something like that if our corporate media would write something about it... first I've heard of it. And I pay attention.
(to tune of Beach-Baby)
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Barrett D @ 9:
If you don't like any of the candidates (which is a frequent occurrence), you can cross out their names and 'write in' whoever you like. Homer Simpson, if you think he'd be an improvement. Of course, your 'written in' ballot won't be counted, but unless your choice of the approved candidates matched the voting machine's program, it wouldn't have been counted anyway, and what are the chances of that?
So you might as well have the satisfaction of 'writing in' whoever you chose.
Since I know The Clintons can pulverize the Republicans (third time a charm) the ideal ticket would be Clinton/Obama that way Obama would have experience as VP and be primed and poised for a Presidential run.
L.A. Confidential @ 21:
Edwards would make a fine Attorney General no?
L.A. Confidential @ 21:
One of the brightest things you have posted all day.
Ron @ 15:
So WTF is this? Another tree falling in the forest, this time a Nuclear one, and the only folks around are wearing earplugs?
Ron @ 23:
At least one idea lit a bulb. I've been having a pretty lousy day for the most part and admit it.
Preacher Boob @ 24:
It's corporate media. If the powers that be don't want them to mention it, they don't. I read about it in a british publication.
Come on people, if you really want change, vote for John Edwards. You are not going to get Bill Clinton back, and nothing is going to change with any other candidate. Hillary is tight with corporate America and their lobbyists. They are why the media is ignoring Edwards and backing her. Obama is a good man but he's going to negotiate with the lobbyists, therefore nothing is going to change. Don't let the media, backed by corporate America decide this election. Use your head. Do your homework. Research the facts. If you do these things, you'll vote for John Edwards.
Fritz @ 27:
i said the same thing and yah know what? no bodys listening!
Fritz @ 27:
I agree and you also have to contribute a few bucks to his campaign. He can't get his message out without our help. The corporate media will only support those with the ad bucks.
Fritz @ 27:
I think John would be more effective as Attorney General then he could as President. Then can chase down all the cons and bring them to justice.
Preacher Boob @ 4:
“The quotations in The New Republic article are not mine
and do not represent what I believe or have ever believed.
I have never uttered such words and denounce such small-minded thoughts."
Ron Paul 1/8/08
Let's not flamebait Paul supporters, please.
preacher boob ,
I thought pogo said ,
we have meant the enemy and he is us
L.A. Confidential @ 22:
no hed make a better president!
who put hillary over obama?
people who weren't college educated
and establishment woman who voted for her because she is a woman
who voted for obama?
white men who weren't afraid of a black president
college students
college educated people
progressives
i know it is fun to pick on matthews, but I hate Hillary so much - she is a heartless robot that will be eight more of the status quo - bunch of militant feminist
goddamn it the witch's fake alligator tears
hillary still running with those old assholes like carvelle and mccauglif behind her and i don't know who i hate more her or those establishment "democrats" that analyze everything to death and calculate her every cough and smile
Alright, I've had all I can stand and I can't stand no more....
All of these pundits who are going around saying that "ooh, ooh, ooh. Hillary showed some emotion and it so swayed women that they ended up voting for her. " Give me an effin' break!!! People, I don't buy it. Women who vote in primaries are not that SHALLOW. For Bob's sake, give women some effin credit, will you? Saying that women rushed to the polls in droves because Hillary cried is as idiotic as George Herbert Walker Bush choosing Dan "I'm good looking" "spell potato with an E" Quayle as a running mate to get the women's vote. If women were that shallow, particularly Democratic Women ( aren't we supposed to be the "Intellectually Elite"?), to vote for looks or hair or because some tv talk show host likes a particular candidate or some other random stuff like that?
Jeez! Women who vote in primaries care about what is going on and PAY ATTENTION! Many women are smart, professional, even own their own businesses, and stuff like that. Women are not the shallow creatures that the pundits want to say they are.
L.A. Confidential @ 22:
Edwards would make a fine president. Obama would make a great intern, learn the ropes. Hillary could tend the Rose Garden. McCain could re-enlist, and go to Iraq to cover the troops as they 'redeploy'/ 'retreat'/ get the fu*k out. Paris Hilton would make a great Secretary of State, with her knowledge of ,and experience, in foreign affairs. Leave the Vice-President seat vacant, to avoid another DickHead debacle, and give Obama an incentive to cram his studies, and learn fast. The whole Department of Justice should be abolished, and the function privatized, with the contract going to the ACLU.
Bev Harris has a good story at blackboxvoting.org about a Diebold voting machine exec. thats also a convictied drug dealer.
Paullettes!
>> The voting was screwed-up.
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> LOL
Actually, there might be something to it. I hear there's a contravery about how some of the ballets were printed up? And come to think of it, I also read somewhere that there was a possible shortage of ballats?
Mike @ 37:
For about the 10th time I will post this link again.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PiiaBqwqkXs
Something I posted on some right-wing blog -
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On Hillary's supposed crying (she didn't really cry, she just got slightly emotional. But that's besides the point. You don't see/hear the Lame Stream Media going after Romney, Bush, Bush's dad, Gates, etc. when they cry. They only go after Democratic women for crying. It's an uneven playing surface. Oh, you say that Mann Coulter doesn't cry???? She doesn't have a heart (I think she traded it in for something a little lower.) ;-)
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Ron @ 29:
I already did and have been spreading the word too. Thanks!
more, more ,more , more ,corporate greed, more war, more violations of the constitution , more under the table deals with liberman , more of the same shit weve had for the last 7 yrs , thats why i prepose we all vote fore more , clinton obama 08 if you havent had enough more!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
L.A. Confidential @ 22:
Personally, I think he'd make a great President. The kind of President we need right now.
LibertyLover @ 35:
Many women are not shallow, many women are deep. But the deep ones make men feel inadequate, as if they had just taken it out and waved it around in a warm room.
Fritz @ 42:
Me, too. Somebody's gotta help him fight the good fight.
> But the deep ones (women) make men feel inadequate ...
Not me!!!! But I do agree that it makes inadequate men see themselves.
Preacher Boob @ 45:
"No one can make you feel inadequate without your Permission." > E. Roosevelt.
New Hampshire Pollsters error or Diebold?
"I'm not an expert on this, but is there an obvious explanation for why Obama had a 7.5 percent advantage over Clinton in New Hampshire votes counted by hand and Clinton had a 5.5 percent advantage in votes counted by machine? I presume that it's a function of differing locations, with the more urban Clinton districts relying more on machines. Is that the right inference?"
David N @ 32:
You're probably right. I just make this sh*t up.
How many swimming pools of blood could have been filled from the bodies of murdered Iraqis? Care to take a dip?
Who are these "high-end U.S Politicians"?
LibertyLust @ 7:
LibertyLover @ 48:
OK, you have my permission.
Preacher Boob @ 46:
Thank you,
I had one of my best friends say he will contribute after the primaries. I told him to contribute now so Edwards can make a statement everyone can hear before the primaries.
Preacher Boob @ 4:
You are an idiot!
Brad @ 51:
If you like playing with googol-sized numbers, calculate how many champagne goblets could be filled. For the next White House soiree.
www.bradblog.com has been ripping up the reporting lately. I feel bad for c&L but they don't seem to be doing such hard core muckraking anymore. Maybe that's not their thing. But the truth should be told regardless. Anyone interested in the Sibel Edmonds story, which is breaking in the international media, and Voting Concerns in New Hampshire can find a good summary over at Brad's Blog. www.bradblog.com
Preacher Boob @ 53:
:lol: ;)
Luke @ 55:
Why 'Luke', is your real name Paulie Ron?
Ron @ 54:
Donate now and often.
Unbelievably the MSM reports on the false flag terrorist attack known as the Gulf of Tonkin, yet very few pay attention. Few seem to care?
Check out this story from Yahoo News posted Jan. 8th, 2008 about the historic war act of the Gulf of Tonkin. We will use the internet to educate our society. We might as well...
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080108/pl_afp/usvietnamintelligence512
"On the average, an adult human male who weighs 70 kg. has a blood volume of about 5 liters, or a little more than 5 quarts."
Taggart, Starr and Cecie Starr. Biology: The Unity and Diversity of Life. California: Wadsworth, 1989: 398.
The Average Swimming Pool holds 25000 gallons of water.
25 000 US gallons) / (5 US quarts) = 20 000 swimming pools.
That's not Palm Olive we're soaking in, deep ladies.
Ron Paul 2008
Preacher Boob @ 56:
Anyone concerned with Voting Fraud in our Country could consider adding their voices to these causes...
www.getitstraightby2008.org
http://pol.moveon.org/paper2008
Peace :) Votes on these issues next week :)
If you give a hoot and only want to visit one site a day to find out why America is now so messed up.
Ron @ 23:
Don't live in the world of illusion that the Clintons are about anything but their own selfish, egotistical power grab and oh, boy am I going to regret saying this later if I have to campaign for her..
Brad @ 62:
Sorry. ONLY 20 swimming pools. My math was lazy.
> Don’t live in the world of illusion that the Clintons are about anything but their own selfish, egotistical power grab and oh, boy am I going to regret saying this later if I have to campaign for her..
I don't think that's true, but aren't (just about) all politicians what you whine about the Clinton's for?
BTW: My fav is still Kucinich, followed by Edwards.
Orangutan. @ 57:
You're not the only one who's noticed.
Richard Ray Harris @ 66:
We don't want to bring up some of the other things said.
Will Bloomberg run? I don't know much about him except he's worth around 11 billion dollars and he rides the subway to work. Would this country be able to relate and vote for a multi-billionaire? It seems like he could pull votes from both "sides". If that does happen, and he is a viable third party candidate, what else could possibly happen to make this election more historic?
Please read this... there is no current Edwards articles sorry for this not relating to the above article!
http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-chamber8jan08,0,4301350.story...
Orangutan. @ 62:
The National Security Agency must have mis-spoke...just like Bhutto when she said Osama was dead./snark
Orangutan. @ 64:
Thanks for the links I signed the petitions, yet am dubious as to there effectiveness.
Without transparent auditable elections, it doesn't matter whom we support. Edwards, Obama...in my case Paul.
Dan @ 72:
What this a-hole doesn't understand is that as progressives we aren't againt business, honest business. We are against corporations that rip us off such as Enron in the California energy crises and the corporate oil companies that are digging into our savings and retirement. We are only against the monopolies that have take n control of our government.
In honor of Hillary's big comeback -
http://tbsn.thesequencers.us/?p=69
Orangutan. @ 62:
my ship dureing the korean war was a destroyer , the ship in the gulf of tonkin attack was the destroyer uss madox it was attached to my destroyers divishion in korea,anyway both my ship and the madox were allso in the vietnam war, at my ships reunion i met the radar opperator from madox as hed been stationed on my ship as a radarman in korea , we talked about the gulf of tonkin attack, he said thier were no blips on madoxes radar screen , but the ship was brought to battle stations on orders from his skipper, they cruised all night at battle stations and secured at dawn, later he heard on armed forces radio that they had been under attack by patrol boats , and he told me if they had it was news to him, he said it was all bullshit and that the crew was warned to keep thier mouths shut, now you got some pissy little criss crafts threatening a egis destroyer in the straits of hormoze, wont be long now folks gulf of tonkin all over again , got to feed the war mongers thier getting hungry again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
equilibrio @ 73:
Is history going to be written by the NSA? Possibly.
Ron @ 15:
I assume this is the article mentioned. Isn't the Times (UK) owned by Rupert Murdoch?
With the exception of Brad Blog (left leaning? I'm not familiar with the site) this story has been posted by libertarian (AntiWar.com, Reason Online) and reactionary (John Birch Society) sites.
They all mention 9/11 and Al Qaeda like Il Duce II (Rudy G)...
AntiWar names one official as Marc Grossman. A former ambassador to Turkey, linked to (Bill) Clinton politically and in business...
Anyone for some Yellow cake?
Thing Fish @ 79:
The Times UK sounds like the place I read it. I don't know if they are owned by our favorite news conglomerate. It seems unlikely that he would let it be published.
Watching the Daily show. Jon Stewart really doesn't need the writers. The media gives him all the material he needs.
it is known as the granite state for a reason.
the residents have brains with the functionality of rock.
Ron @ 80:
Wiki states Murdoch acquiring The Times in 1981 (and very supportive of Thatcher).
I think it unlikely that The Times will publish any names given UK's strict libel laws. In fact it's a great excuse to publish something about naming names without naming names. It will be interesting to see who in MSM picks it up first, if at all. May be something like the British BCCI scandal. Which didn't seem to get much press in the US. Or it may be something released because of the primaries...
Too early to tell. But either way, something to watch.
The IRS might end up being as helpless as FEMA.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/10/washington/10justice.html?ex=135762120...
I don't doubt Jon Stewarts' abilities. I'm still torn IMHO between whether C&L should post Daily Show clips or not whilst the writers are on strike, though.
BUT WILL IT BACKFIRE ?
Very VERY early on in the New Hampshire primary, "Vermin Supreme" was looking pretty good on the republican side.
The irony of that was not lost on this side of the Pacific. ;-)
Missouri Bible-thumping teachers are told to leave them kids alone.
The New Hampshire primaries were on insecure Diebold tabulators, and it appears that hand-counted primaries came out for Obama, while D tabulated ones came out for HC, though that could be a result of demographics anyhow.
The head of the Diebold operation in NH and the NE is a felon (apparently the AG of NH isn't doing much of a background check), admits to illegally carrying memory sticks for scanner tabulators in his trunk, and says it's no big deal ("I don't follow every little law.").
So the primary is insecure, and without a full investigation and challenge, we would not know. Unless the votes are recounted entirely by hand, there is NO WAY to confirm the outcome in NH.
Blogs shouldn't be silent on this series of apparent facts. Personally, I think it's unlikely that Diebold would throw a primary for the Dems (or for HC). But there is no way to know for sure, and that's been the case now for a lot of critical elections, so here's one more to add to the Liars Club of the press reporting, the state legal system, the NH legislature, and the remaining months of Diebold/Premier's existence as a company.
Obama should contest the primary. But that's the poison pill.
tyree @ 34:
Trial lawyer, Senator, and now Special Commissioner:
Vice President's Special Commission on the Recent High Crimes, with special reference to the crimes of the former VP
That office can be funded for a decade from a tiny portion of the $$$ confiscated.
Tequila @ 84:
Can't cite a law, but they can point a gun. Get rid of those guns, and get rid of oversea military bases. Why should every one have to look down a gun barrel?
Ridiculous. The primary is a complete cockup.
http://abcnews.go.com/PollingUnit/Decision2008/story?id=4107883&page=1
According to his study, the better listing means 3 percent, so there goes the primary.
A candidate with guts would call for a recount.
looks like DIEBOLD wins again.
http://ronrox.com/paulstats.php
Mike @ 38:
Well, you know what I always say....
It's not who votes that counts. It's who counts the votes.
Leg @ 96:
That was Stalin, of course.
Brad @ 97:
Well you know what i always say...
Huh? Comparing Sibel Edmonds' story to Yellowcake?
Try backing away from that Election-Fever Kool-Aid for just a minute here, kids.
She's one of the most thoroughly censored people on Earth - thanks to the current Administration.
Her allegations have been investigated & found to have merit, already.
In a court of law.
The guy who got her fired for blowing the whistle on him was then PROMOTED to head the FBI's Middle East unit.
Think maybe he's been telling THEM to slow down vital work for some budget-candy, too?
You don't invoke the State Secrets privilege to censor someone's RESUME.
Except that Ashcroft did just that to her.
Ask yourself why they're so obviously scared shitless of this lady.
Destroying her career, right when she was about to uncover a massive criminal con-game ... just like Wilson was doing before they did exactly the same thing to Valerie Plame.
But her story is much, MUCH uglier than Yellowcake.
If even 1/2 of what she's been forced to HINT about - under threat of hard time - is bona fides, her story makes Yellowcake look like Mister Rogers' Neighborhood.
She's already warned everyone that the corruption in question goes over party lines.
May well be that with the prospect of a new Administration, she's a bit worried about the sort of ideas that might occur to a certain group of very rich ( & increasingly nervous) people who all sort of want her to shut up & just go away.
Like, forever.
JTM @ 10:
Not to mention if Americans were subjected to the treatment they are administering in Iraq and misc. secret prisons world wide.
Paul in LA @ 90:
The shrill minority will scream into the Faux Noise Machine that any investigation into the truth (about ANYthing!) would tear the country apart. Obama is a uniter, not a divider. Poison pill? I say Eat Me. We the People have already proven that we will swallow anything. How about some truth? Instead we are fed fluff, B.S., and other waste products.
Remember only kooks criticize elections. Be a Good American and go back to sleep.
Hey look it's Brittany's Whoohah!!!
Which reminds me...Check out for yourself whom the Defense companies are throwing their support behind now that it is apparent that we won't elect another Republican again. I'm not going to tell you her name. It's not Green Party candidate Cynthia McKinney.
LibertyLust @ 7:
I to am very concerned about this. Edmonds has many federal agency associates that back her on on this as well. The politicians and pundits Edmonds named have commited acts of high treason and are a threat to national security beyond any adversary that is currently known. I for one, take this very seriously as should all Americans.
LibertyLust @ 7:
Well...you know what I always say...
Hey!!! Look!!! It's Brittany's hooHa!!!
I wish some intrepid blogger(widely read) would take this courages womens story and run with it.
Sibel's Story that is.
Sibel Edmonds on YouTube.
Sibel is a great and compelling woman. Why doesn't 60 Minutes do a follow up? The answer lies in the fact that NObody in the MSM is touching tells the story. She's not on TV, so she must not exist. sigh. like my fellow Americans, I should sleep, but this stuff drives me gnarls barkley crazy.
see video: It's Too Dangerous to Give Hillary Clinton Another Shot
Enough of these nuclear plots, and fixed elections. Here's impportant news that can affect your daily life.
The Tata Nano, a four door, 50 MPG, automobile that meet all safety and emission standards is now on sale for $2,500. In Inja. Go to Cheap Tickets and make reservations for Bombay. Do it now. Before all the Tatas are sold out.
Those 'green' fluorescent bulbs which will become mandatory soon can kill you. First, because the radiation frequency they emit can cause ugly, irritating rashes on your skin. Secondly, but of primary importance, should you break one indoors, you should treat the broken pieces as a serious Hazmat problem. Secure the building, take precautions collecting the pieces, and fumigate the air, before re-occupying.
What's next? The government will soon announce that watching democratic political campaigns on TV can cause serious headaches. A bit late with that one, don't you think?
Preacher Boob @ 6:
No one would pay to see him now. He's on tv and if you happen to watch his show you'll see him. Sure he's been in movies but who knew or cared before they saw him on the screen?
At this point he'd probably pay the audience to stay.
LibertyLust @ 7:
As I noted above, the closest thing I could think you're talking about For sale: West’s deadly nuclear secrets TimesOnline. I'm assuming it is since the article leads off: A WHISTLEBLOWER [Sibel Edmonds] has made a series of extraordinary claims about how corrupt government officials allowed Pakistan and other states to steal nuclear weapons secrets.
Now there's this article summarizing a CBS 60 Minutes Interview by Ed Bradley, Lost In Translation CBS News from August 8, 2004. And it follows what I saw and heard in the PEN Newman Award YouTube video from 2006.
What I haven't found is how we got from "a translator who was fired from her job at the FBI after complaining of intelligence failures and poor performance in her unit" to:
Now, as the CBS article says, the FBI retroactively classifying information given to congress regarding this case back in July 2004 is highly unusual. Has this information made its way public ala Downing Street memo?
Or is Ms. Edmonds working from what she recalls translated over 3 years ago? And it all has to do with nuclear weapons going to Pakistan...
Care to illuminate?
Well Bush is about to give us a speech. I'm going to miss it. But it apepars that he'll be talking about how dangerous Iran is, because they messed with our fleet while we were in Iranian waters.
I'm sure that the Russians would treat us nicer if our fleet sailed up to their submarine docks.
The Chinese though, they shoot down our aircraft....
Daily Reading pt 1...
WHY NET NEUTRALITY IS FREE SPEECH AND SO IMPORTANT: AT&T and Other ISPs May Be Getting Ready to Filter - http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/08/att-and-other-isps-may-be-getti...
For the past fifteen years, Internet service providers have acted - to use an old cliche - as wide-open information super-highways, letting data flow uninterrupted and unimpeded between users and the Internet. But ISPs may be about to embrace a new metaphor: traffic cop.
Internet civil rights organizations oppose network-level filtering, arguing that it amounts to Big Brother monitoring of free speech, and that such filtering could block the use of material that may fall under fair-use legal provisions — uses like parody, which enrich our culture.
Like everything....corporations cloak their real intentions around "personal property issues" when its really all about control of the information...Bottom line this isn't about protecting 'copyrights'...its a window instead of a door for blocking sites & putting non-corporate friendly entities
on the slow path or the dead path....
Hooman Majd: It's a Fake - http://www.huffingtonpost.com/hooman-majd/its-a-fake_b_80682.html
The Pentagon's version of the encounter in the Strait of Hormuz on Sunday morning, involving U.S. Navy warships and Iranian Revolutionary Guard patrol boats is, at the very least highly suspicious. On Tuesday, the Navy released video footage and an audiotape to back its claims that the Iranian boats acted in a threatening and provocative manner, but neither the video nor the audio are particularly convincing as proof that Iran had hostile intentions.
The West Has Not Just Repressed Democracy. It Has Aided Terror - http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/story/0,,2237569,00.html
Pakistan has as many paradigms as pundits. What is clear, however, is that Meddling Will Only Ever Foment Disorder. The Pakistani senator gazed at the headline in despair. “US weighs new covert push in Pakistan”. Washington was authorizing “enhanced CIA activity” in the country while US Democratic candidates declared they were all ready “to launch unilateral military strikes in [Pakistan] if they detected an imminent threat”.
Richardson Leaving Democratic Presidential Race - http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080110/ap_on_el_pr/richardson
Honore: Nation hasn't learned from disaster - http://www.nola.com/news/index.ssf/2008/01/honore_nation_hasnt_learned_f...
The gruff, cigar-chomping general who led federal troops in New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina is convinced that the United States hasn't learned its lesson from the storm. ... "A vast part of America still thinks, 'That couldn't happen where I live.' And they are dead damn wrong."
Battle of the Oil Fields: Shell and Total square up over gasfield in Iraq’s Sunni heartland - http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/natural_...
The REAL REASON for War/Occupation: It is not yet clear whether the Iraqi Government will pick a Western oil major, such as Shell or Total, to help to develop the field. It may opt, instead, for a partnership with an oil services company, such as Halliburton or Schlumberger, which would then supply the technical expertise to develop the field and related pipelines to Syria for processing and export.
Cheney's stock options..... http://rawstory.com/news/2005/Cheneys_stock_options_rose_3281_last_1011.html
The Poor Get Diabetes; The Rich Get Local and Organic - http://alternet.org/environment/72417/
This goes beyond 'choice' which is what reich wingnuts always rail on and on about...the 'choice' as you say 'they make' isn't a choice if the option isn't available by design....
Daily Reading pt 2...
Why Huckabee is a psycho: New Hampshire Postscript: "Mike Huckabee is the first major presidential candidate to so openly embrace this sort of militaristic evangelism -- more evidence of his unabashed coalition-building with even the most controversial and extreme foot soldiers of the evangelical right."
- http://www.talk2action.org/story/2008/1/9/112521/9515
Christian Zionists Gain Israel's Inner Sanctum - http://www.talk2action.org/story/2008/1/9/144032/5281
Familiar names in there....Abramoff, Pat Robertson, Iran, etc.....its a total joke...organized religion is a money transfer system...if a 'church' has an accounting dept....its a business...period.
When Journalism Becomes a Consumer Product - http://www.prwatch.org/node/6868
Rep. Michael Michaud (D-ME) seeks to impeach Cheney - http://bangornews.com/news/t/news.aspx?articleid=158645&zoneid=500
The Wit and Wisdom of Keith Olbermann: A Profile - http://www.popmatters.com/pm/news/article/52879/msnbcs-keith-olbermann-e...
When MSNBC moved a couple of months ago from its longtime home in New Jersey to 30 Rockefeller Plaza in Midtown Manhattan, Keith Olbermann got his pick of offices.
Olbermann chose a room looking directly into the street-front studios of MSNBC’s rival, Fox News.
Drivers face $3.50 gasoline this spring: gov't - http://www.reuters.com/article/domesticNews/idUSN0850195420080108
U.S. consumers will pay record prices for gasoline this spring, with national monthly pump costs peaking near $3.50 per gallon when the busy driving season begins, the government's top energy forecasting agency said Tuesday.
YOU WILL NEVER EVER AGAIN SEE 'GAS' BELOW $2.00 a gallon....Peak Oil has been here for a while http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net/
NY Mayor Bloomberg weighs 2008 run - http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080109/ap_on_el_pr/bloomberg2008;_ylt=AqQ1L...
All you 'indies' (independents) that like his stance on 'social issues'....need to think long and hard about a country being run like a corporation...example: Iraq
Mike Huckabee was pretty funny on last night's Colbert Report. I posted a transcript and embedded Comedy Central video on my blog, "The Third Path." Huckabee jokingly, but with a straight face, "admitted" that he has financed his campaign by interstate gun smuggling. He also reiterated his promise to name Stephen Colbert as his running mate.
LibertyLover @ 19:
Much of it was covered in the UK Times. link follows:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article3137695.ece
Brad Blog had an exclusive interview with Sibel and a current follow-up covering some of the above mentioned items can be found at the following link.
http://www.bradblog.com/?p=5518
Stan Rosenthal @ 68:
My thoughts exactly!
Talcott @ 104:
Brad Blog has: http://www.bradblog.com/?p=5518
MargeAggedon @ 110:
Hey, give the guy a break. The Writer's Guild is still on strike! LOL
Thing Fish @ 111:
My understanding is that she compiled a dossier of the translations that troubled her. She presented them up the chain of command at the time and was shut down. She may still have her dossier since it predated the "retroactive" classifying procedure.
what is this expirience crap???
you need sound judgment and other good character traits like honesty integrity and whatever...
for expirience you have armys of experts and advisers on the matter and you need to listen to them..
somethings i cant imagine Clinton does btw... she just discovered it this week her talent to listen...
It wasn't Hillary's tears that changed the election, it was the press, stupid .... Now its CYA time, so they are claiming it was the tears .... You still have a bunch of men telling us what women think, and they are no good at that...
didnt mention this, its just that i get the impression Ms. Clinton is a me person, not a good start to listen to other opinions...♦
and your press sucks anyway... wouldnt by used socks from them....
LibertyLust @ 7:
Where is it written? We few, that are "whistleblowers", want facts - details - where - when - who - how - not just the ramblings of a pessimist!
go to Counterpunch.com they have the story...
and miss edmond has a gag order on her to be silent about this..
go figure... guess National Security its to keep the guys on top secure for...
sum them up:
clinton- bush lite
obama- bush lite II
edwards- sub-prime & medicare privatization hedge funds/involved in corporate dealings that are driving the middle class into poverty (the fact that he claims to be just the opposite [populist] makes me verrrry suspicious), in a word, phonybolony; he's a used car dealer, trying to sell us a clunker for a pretty penny
kucinich- voted against the iraq war 100% of the time (the only cadidate who did), defends the consititution at all cost, voted against the patriot act, supports gay marriage (the only dem who does), supports women's rights (not just to cry), supports universal single-payer not for profit healthcare
why are progressives not bloc-ing behind true progressive kucinich- he supports everything we believe in. while i realize that he's not moderate enough to win over bush-exhausted republicans, he is the only candidate worth spit!!! he's the only candidate who has evolved past the rest and who truly believes in this country.
and am i the only one who thinks hillary is playing the sex card? as a feminist, i couldn't help but think the requesters ('iron my shirts') were plants. i'm sure many other worse things have been and are shouted at political rallies.
any lack of clinton-support among progressives is not due to her sex, but rather the fact that she's another war profiteer (although, as far as conservatives go, i'm sure it's 100% that she is female).
Pre Election polls put Obama ahead by 8.3%
USA Today Exit Polls predict Obama win
Guardian Exit Polls predict Obama win
By MachineClinton: 39.595%Obama: 36.386%
By HandObama: 38.785%Clinton: 34.703%
Vote Fraud Confirmed in Sutton, New Hampshire
One man programs 81% of New Hampshire voting machines
http://news.google.com/news?hl=e...aud& btnG=Search
the only ones who tell the truth to americans are Paul ,Gravel and Kucinich...
but Americans dont like the truth they want there dream of being the best and good not destroyed...
You want the truth, you can't hand.... oh nevermind.
But that is right, like abused spouses we tend to elect candidates similar to the others we have known. Telling the truth might offend too many people so it is used very sparingly.
Jeri Thompson made Fred sleep on the couch after that showing
equilibrio @ 69:
Hrmf.
His entire first page is dedicated to conspiracy theories regarding the Diebold voting machines. Look, I'm fine with an investigation if it'll clear the air - but the problem is that it won't. People who can't handle that Hillary Clinton won after (a) the mainstream news media was disingenuous about the poll results, and (b) most of the polls that had Clinton pegged as the inevitable winner were ignored - they won't be happy with the results of the enquiry of said investigation discovers that the machines were fine. They'll say that the investigation was rigged, bought off, ad nauseam.
The CJ paper in Ky biggest story today is about mayor vetoing smoking exception in bars who have ventalation system.
Is There Something In The Kool-Aid???
Shawnmeat @ 132:
the machines arent fine,the asshole who made them said hed make sure bush was elected, well he did! and if they can be rigged to elect a moron like bush they can elect a corporation hog like clinton !
tyree @ 134:
That presumes that no one has done anything about any of the machines anywhere in the U.S. for seven years.
agatha crump @ 127:
Wow! You're not biased at all!
Shawnmeat @ 135:
thiers no presumes about it!!!!!!!!! nobody has!!!!!!!
Jane Hamsher at FDL points out how Edwards staying in plays out
As Mike Lux notes, the momentum is still with Obama but Edwards becomes a kingmaker:
Edwards is dead as a Presidential prospect for 2008, but if this becomes a long, drawn out, fairly evenly-divided fight, and Edwards stays in and keeps drawing around 20% everywhere he goes, he could be the guy who decides the nominee. I could easily see this playing out where Obama wins a bunch of states and Clinton wins a bunch, and they both end up with about 40% of the delegates, and Edwards keeps playing to the end of the primary process and then delivers his 20% to one of them. Could make things interesting right up to convention day.
HILLARY HAS TAKEN ON EDWARDS "THIS IS PERSONAL" MANTRA. AND OBAMA HAS TAKEN ON EDWARDS COMMITMENT TO FOCUS ON CORPORATE GREED AND LOBBYIST. WE CERTAINLY HAVE NOT HEARD HILLARY COMMIT TO THIS.
WE HAVE NOT HEARD EITHER HILLARY OR OBAMA SAY AS EDWARDS HAS THAT "HE WILL NOT HAVE ANY LOBBYIST IN HIS ADMINISTRATION AND ESPECIALLY NO INDIVIDUALS WHO HAVE LOBBIED FOR A FOREIGN NATION"
Edwards is the only candidate who has called out the people who lied our nation into Iraq during the debates.
I will stay on Edwards bus...He is the candidate of change.
john kerrys got a lot of balls indoseing obama , this is the guy i voted for even though i held my nose because he supported the war in iraq, but i figured if he was elected we could change his mind and get the guys home, well kerry won , but diebold made the choice for bush, what did kerry do ? even though it was evident that the vote was fixed ,the rotten son of a bitch threw in the towel and did it with a shit eating smile on his face , thats why i wont vote for goobers like clinton or obama thier the same kind of sell you out as fast as they can politicians as kerry, no more never again , fool me once !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
#27: The reason why you read the nuclear spy scandal in British publications and not here in America, is because of corporate fascist suppression of news. Wanna bet a prominent middle eastern country is involved?
If one starts to take a good look at Obama many Americans can see how this guy is in a manipulated tide of affection, praise, admiration, and fundamentally a whole bunch of power steering. Here, America hopes Obama is driving in a well designed Corvette out of American automakers, not some new fangled Chinese hybrid Americans are forced to buy from a Wal-Mart show room because the economy tracks for the powerful few.
Just getting through the prologue in Obama’s book” Audacity of Hope”, rereading some very catching statements Obama makes that encourage me, yet suddenly brings me to caution.
It’s to know that from the get go Obama is very concerned about the impact of his name in politics. I’m glad and impressed by this admission. Sitting with a friend and adviser in a restaurant his friend said “You can’t change your name, of course, Voters are suspicious of that kind of thing”. As they look over and talked about the headlines of Osama Bin Laden.
It is definitely not just experience but maturity that links me to caution. Here, the basics with American success in working through this experiment of our current formula of Democracy are so important and so distorted by Mainstream Media, I feel afraid. That so called powerful endorsement by Oprah and failed win of Obama in New Hampshire signals a time for reflection to play fair follow the money plus following the deeds. The Media hates Hillary so much they wish to jump through the logic of debates and go directly to a Republican vs. Democratic play off. To me and perhaps a great deal of others, ideals in laws, believes in the Constitution, philosophies in social structure, Public housing, affirmative action, the list goes on but the Media avoids much because of previous Republican controlled Congress abuse of power and deliberate secrecy America is dealing with now.
My caution with support to Obama starts immediately in the prologue when Obama states “ Most of us are wise to the ways of admen, pollsters, speechwriters, and pundits.” To me Obama completely dismisses the huge wave of hate black rape music industry that in it self is the economics of party time, big money, an economy based black drug society bridging the whites, sex, homicide, theft, social friction to the decadence in factories of jail time training. To me here, Obama just thinks about the power steering to a good life, and totally avoid conversations about the power brakes needed.
That simple low keyed conversation Hillary is accused in acting, staged, using sexism, weeping, crying, pouting, showing emotion, like candidates are not supposed to, show me a new side of Hillary, and a new support for her as the right choice to lead. Just by saying “She, Hillary, see’s where America is going and it must be reversed”. I totally agree, Hillary understands the power brakes are broken, or just a plain poor design.
tyree @ 140:
Yeah, maybe Shawn should have read Brad and Bev's reporting before calling it conspiracy.
To Error is human, to really fuck things up requires a computer, or a hacked optical scanner.
We Obama supporters probably were a little slow reacting to the "iron my shirt" plant. That had Mark Penn's grubby little paw prints all over it. We should continue looking into who those guys were, because if you can prove they were Penn plants, you could derail Clinton's entire campaign.
Penn's the poor man's Karl Rove. Half the wit and none of the charm. We've already caught the Clinton team planting questions in audiences, they've probably manipulated some polls. Let's see what else we can nail them on, shall we?
Shawnmeat @ 134:
Even the exit polls, like the ones We used as evidence to overturn the Ukrainian electons, called it for Obama. There already is hard evidence of fraud in this one. BTW, The Defense industry is betting on Hillary. How about a transparent and fair election this time?
Shawnmeat @ 138:
Several states have decertified them because of the piss-poor security by design. Easily hacked into. Do your homework.
LibertyLover @ 19:
Damn! I thought it was more widely known then that!
Hey anyone know where we can find out who the write-ins were??
The hand counted ballots in NH match the polls... the machine counted votes don't. There's a bunch of fools on this board, even those that call themselves progressives, that are talking about the primaries like they're legitimate. THERE ARE PRIVATE CORPORATIONS COUNTING CITIZENS VOTES WITH NO OVERSIGHT... HELLO! These primaries are a sham and so are the politicians that are running that are not mentioning this attack on democracy.
This site seems to be going down the tubes like huffingtonpost. Mr. Amato... what's up? You gonna wait till the elections over to talk about this.
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