Edwards acted classy about in on Ed Schultz's show today

The Kerry Kiss of Death?!?

kiss of death. (in the parlance of our times)

"and the times, they are a-changing . . . "

Should have saved the post title "Barack Man's Burden" for this post.

THE CFR CROWD MUST STICK TOGETHER….YES, WAR IS THE ANSWER….SAY HI TO THE NEW BOSS..SAME AS THE OLD BOSS….

http://www.nowpublic.com/obama-cfr

CD @ 7:

Is America ready to elected an Africans-American or a Woman President?

Ask the question often enough..

Odd that a candidate for change is trumpeting the endorsement of an establishment figure.

Your loyalty to Sen Edwards, Sen. Kerry, is actually making Sen. Lieberman look like a stand-up guy. I think maybe there is something to this Skull and Bones cloak and dagger stuff.

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzz!!!!!!!

Has Humprey endorsed anybody yet?

According to Hillary the other day, LBJ is endorsing her
(or something like that....it was a weird ass statement where
she trashed MLK and compared Bill to Lady Byrd, or something...)

Wake me when he does...

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

Mitch @ 13:

To that end we must all ask ourselves a hard question.

Is America ready to elected an Africans-American or a Woman President?

Democrats are. Republicans will do what they always do: kick, scream, and cry.

Ooh, ohh, don't forget smear, tamper, and sabotage.

Enjoyin' my coffee.

Gee I knew Kerry was spineless and an ass kisser but I never thought he would suck it up and endorse a man who two weeks ago stood up and told the country that John Kerry and Al Gore were the dividers of this country.. But the way he let bush and rove ride all over him in the 2004 campaign I suppose we all knew his balls were jelly.

So do you think Al Gore will forget about it, and kiss ass and endorse this man. I think who ever is the nominee he will endorse but I bet he's got more class than to endorse a man who spewed shit at him.

BTW I LIKE OBAMA.

Don't believe me?

That's your problem.

Way to turn your back on the guy who wanted to contest the outcome of the 2004 election and quite possibly get you into the White House. Edwards was the only reason I voted for you in '04, Lurch. To think you could have been president. Oh well, enjoy your ride on the bandwagon.

Well, this is gonna get Obama about six votes, most of them relatives of John Kerry. Because he's regarded as old-guard Dukakis/Mondale Democrap, the "change" people may take that as a signal that they should look at HRC or Boy Edwards.

Why isn't Edwards getting more votes?

Is his message not connecting?
Can people not get past the "haircut scandal"?
Is just that he doesn't have enough $$$?

I do not like any of the candidates overall. Again, it is the lesser of evils. The last Democratic candidate I liked a whole lot was Gary Hart. He told the media to follow him around with cameras and then he was seen with the hot blonde bombshell Donna Rice sitting on his lap on a boat in the middle of the ocean. They were a nice looking couple, except, I believe Hart was a married man.

I would never vote for any of these Bush wannabe Republicans who would further erode America's image in the world and the economy, but none of the Democratic Party candidates are that exciting, either. It is a sham, sad to say.

eRobin @ 5:

Of course the man who couldn't concede fast enough in 2004 would endorse the man who is making conciliation his main theme. Blecch.

Way to go John Kerry... You had a chance to save our democracy by fighting for the the 2004 election. That must of been one hell of a deal you made with the devil.
Mr. "I've got your back". Yeah right.

You're the guy who acted like an elitist snob and watched that kid be tased and did nothing!

This does not surprise me one bit. The fix is in. Wonder what this deal is all about.

Unfortunately the younger generation won't remember a thing about the 2004 election, and anyone who mentions it .... wears a tin-foil hat in their view.

Losing all hope. Go Edwards....

One of these persons is going to be the next president: Hillary, McCain, or Obama.

At a Vegas gaming table, I'd put a few bucks on McCain.

Here in CT, I won't vote for any of 'em, but it won't matter because of the Electoral College (CT WILL vote Blue).

John Kerry? Is he still around? After he crawled under a rock and didn't contest the 2004 election I thought he just went away. Hmmm.

Edwards still has my vote.

Who cares? If George Bush had never been born, Kerry would be known as the dumbest man in America. He should go wind surfing off Cape Cod right now, I think we would finally be rid of the lazy jackass.

Obama takes the position that the 2004 election was not stolen, and that GOP dirty tricks to suppress the Democratic vote are just conspracy theories. I'm sure that Edwards woudn't WANT Kerry's endorsement, and Kerry is more comfortable with someone who is willing to roll over and not be a sore loserman.

trying to not sound to superstitious, this endoresment is tainted with bad luck

Edwards isn't getting any votes because he has the same experience as Obama without the oratory skills. Edwards has talked a lot about the disadvantaged and that's nice, but hasn't given specifics of how to make life better for the average American. Plus by all accounts he may have a personal scandal brewing and that would totally blow his nice guy family-man image.

I think he's not getting votes because he's not edgy enough. He's a dull nice, beautiful loser.

Well, if Kerry hadn't turned my stomach in 2004, this proves he has zero class and character. Edwards was the best thing about 2004 ticket, in fact, the only good thing about it. Then again, disagree about Liebermann who still stinks far more than possible for Kerry to ever achieve, but Kerry is trying his best to match him.

Alot of harsh comments about Kerry. He really use to be a hero from the Vietnam era. I think some of the swiftboating that took place resignated even with the Democratic and liberal base.

Gorgei, it's not the Swiftboating that resinated with the Democratic/liberal base, it was John Kerry's unwillingness to fight against the swiftboating.

So what he's saying is that he and Bush wanna roll around in a coffin with him.

322 baby!

Karl Rove wrote a veiled racist editorial against Barack Obama in one of Rupert Murdock's papers explaining why Hillary and NOT Barack won in New Hampshire. I find it funny that Karl Rove is weighing in against Obama in this race. You can draw your own conclusions I'm sure. I personally am done with the Bush/Clinton/Bush Dynasty. Let's MoveOn.

Shawnmeat @ 57:

CD @ 27:

galmud @ 14:

CD @ 7:

Ask the question often enough..

Here in the real world we have to deal with the fact that it might not be.

But go ahead keep insinuating that I'm a bad person for wanting to keep a Bush heir out of the white house.

Sorry, CD, but this individual is right. What creates certainty and doubt is the phrasing of these questions, which make people who weren't all that hung up on skin colour and gender start to wonder. Jon Stewart once nailed FOX on The Daily Show for the tactic of reporting slander but getting away with it because it was phrased as a question. 'Is your mother a whore?' for example is something I can ask you and then say, 'Hey, I wasn't saying she's a whore - I was just asking if she was!'

I don't have an ulterior motive.

Biggus Diggus @ 56:

Gorgei, it's not the Swiftboating that resinated with the Democratic/liberal base, it was John Kerry's unwillingness to fight against the swiftboating.

I understand...and by the way that wasn't a attack on people. Believe me, after he conceded the 2004 election, I was pissed and thought he was spineless. As a vet myself, I expected more of a fight from a war hero.

But, after reading his book I took a second look at the fact that swiftboating started with him and he had several paid staffers encouraging him not to attack back, because logic told them that the media and outcry of the voices on that situation would hurt Bush. I am sure it drives people close to insanity to be at one moment a national hero then a liar...plus equate what happened to Rather with the whole 60 Minutes thing...again the media didn't help.

Straight Shooter at 63

I never saw one officer or enlisted man being filmed by his own person in Viet Nam.

It just didn't happen.

John Kerry, IMO, is a person of great privilege, greater-than-average ambition, weak character, and no-cutthroat personality.

I just finished unsubscribing to Kerry's mailing list.

Come on guys, Senator Edwards has been blasting Senator Kerry sense the election and all of you know it. There has been some very bad blood between them.

I expected Senator Kerry to endorce anyone but Edwards, and it was oh so sweet he went with Senator Obama if it could not be Edwards.

VietVet8666 @ 66:

Straight Shooter at 63

I never saw one officer or enlisted man being filmed by his own person in Viet Nam.

It just didn't happen.

John Kerry, IMO, is a person of great privilege, greater-than-average ambition, weak character, and no-cutthroat personality.

Not sure what you're saying, whether you believe the Swiftboat Liars or not. Shame on Americans who flaunted purple bandaids and mocked Kerry's service. Kerry should have raised holy hell instead of relying on "the better nature" of people to ignore such horrendous trash.

As I said, John Kerry left all his courage behind in Vietnam, or maybe it was after the Winter Soldiers. Doesn't matter, does it, how courageous he was in Nam. I saw the film, Going Downriver, and was very impressed by the depiction of John Kerry as a young man. Then he grew older and way too cautious, he forgot to listen to his own instincts that served him well in the jungles. He capitulated to the GOP without a fight. I had donated everything I could afford for him to fight to prove he won the election, and yet the very next morning there was the headline about his concession speech.

I put Kerry and McCain in the same category. Whatever courage they had a long time ago, they've either sold or given it away for political power: Kerry in 2004, and McCain in 2000 when he tucked his tail between his legs like a whipped puppy after the whispering campaign in South Carolina.

Straight Shooter @ 72:

VietVet8666 @ 66:

Straight Shooter at 63

I never saw one officer or enlisted man being filmed by his own person in Viet Nam.

It just didn't happen.

John Kerry, IMO, is a person of great privilege, greater-than-average ambition, weak character, and no-cutthroat personality.

Not sure what you're saying, whether you believe the Swiftboat Liars or not. Shame on Americans who flaunted purple bandaids and mocked Kerry's service. Kerry should have raised holy hell instead of relying on "the better nature" of people to ignore such horrendous trash.

As I said, John Kerry left all his courage behind in Vietnam, or maybe it was after the Winter Soldiers. Doesn't matter, does it, how courageous he was in Nam. I saw the film, Going Downriver, and was very impressed by the depiction of John Kerry as a young man. Then he grew older and way too cautious, he forgot to listen to his own instincts that served him well in the jungles. He capitulated to the GOP without a fight. I had donated everything I could afford for him to fight to prove he won the election, and yet the very next morning there was the headline about his concession speech.

I put Kerry and McCain in the same category. Whatever courage they had a long time ago, they've either sold or given it away for political power: Kerry in 2004, and McCain in 2000 when he tucked his tail between his legs like a whipped puppy after the whispering campaign in South Carolina.

Wow, that was a good comment Straight Shooter.

i feel that kerry not indorsing edwards is a blessing, kerry is, was allways gonna be a douchbag! oh and the mf should return my fifty bucks!

Straight Shooter at 72

Respect your posts.

But suggest courage, which may overlap ambition, is not the same as ambition.

Courage is disinterested.

"access to Kerry’s mailing lists for outreach and fundraising" Already done months ago, folks. I was contacted by the Obama campaign during the summer at an address I had only provided to the Kerry campaign.

In 2004, I inherited money from a wingnut relative, which my mother advised me to reject or forward to a worthy cause, so I wrote the big check to Kerry-Edwards. For one brief shining moment I was a player. Bonus: I was named after the wingnut, so it looks like a last-minute redemption.

FWIW, I think Kerry's doing this to check the DLC wing of the party. I always found the Clintons too conservative for me.

kali yuga @ 77:

Gorgei @ 73:

Does anyone in here think Edwards still has a chance in this? To me, it seems he is acting very selfishly for someone that believes in change so strongly. He knows his role right now is king maker. I think he has a right to run and I am not articulating that he needs to jump out. But whats his role right now? I like him and hope he backs Obama, but I hope he does it soon.

I want Edwards in as long as possible. Once he's gone, there'll be no discussion at all of our descent into corporate fascism. The two who are taking corporate bribes certainly aren't going to mention it.

So if its not Edwards, will you not be voting? If I thought Obama was a fascist I would never vote for him. If you beleive Clinton and Obama are both fascists you will likeley have quite a dilema come November.

Larry @ 67:

Ask any psychologist whether Obama's approach is mature and wise. When we say change is hard, it's also hard because it means we have to elect to prioritize solutions over revenge. That is very, very hard for me. But when Obama speaks to this, it makes me cry. Because it's true. I'll tell you what is a "fairy tale" is thinking that a large popular support for progressive ideals is going to come without us having to let go of a lot of anger. The other side may allow us a mandate but they will not allow us an angry mandate.

Ask me what?

Oh, that.

Well, it depends on whether you're talking about his approach to getting elected or his approach to fixing the country.

I think that his approach to getting elected is brilliant. It's simple. It's memorable. It's positive on the surface while not being inconsistent with the occasional negative ad. And it's very hard to criticize, since who isn't for change?

If you mean his approach to fixing the country, then I have no idea whether it's wise and mature since I have no idea what it is, even after reading everything I can get my hands on. But if you'd like to see something that definitely is both wise and mature, then read John Edwards' plan for moving toward national health-care (for example). Note how he states the goal and then explains why you can't have it in one step. Then see how he would ease us off private insurance over time. That's wise and mature. But it requires a lot more than one word to explain. So it has no chance at all at getting his elected because it's completely moronic with regard to getting elected.

Thanks for asking.

And please remember that I don't take insurance, so please give the receptionist the entire $140 on your way out. At that point, we'll take the boot off your car's wheel.

oh a skull and bonesman endorses obama?

i see where this is going....

fooooey to the democratic process and foooeey to you all...oh yeah fox "news" sucks!!!!!!!

Great....Obama lets a rip-off in New Hampshire slide when he should have demanded a recount to verify the exit poll discrepancy he alone suffered.

He fits right in with Kerry....Mr. Concession. Every vote counted...yeah right.
I can hear Obama's 11:00AM concession right now.

Kerry's endorsement will help Edwards. If only we could get Gore to back Edwards. Kerry's a disgrace and a bonesman traitor. His endorsement aint worth shit in the long run.

VietVet8666 @ 78:

Straight Shooter at 72

Respect your posts.

But suggest courage, which may overlap ambition, is not the same as ambition.

Courage is disinterested.

I respect your posts also.

Now you've given me something to think about tonight. What, then, is the difference between courage and ambition? They share many of the same characteristics, and I suspect in many circumstances are two edges of the same sword.

I've heard of blind ambition. Never heard of blind courage. Hmm. Yes, something to think about tonight.

There's no denying Kerry wussed out when he conceded so quickly. Did he lack ambition, or did he lack courage? What could be more ambitious for an American politician than to seek the office of POTUS.

ConcernedCanuck @ 39:

ChrisM70 @ 34:

Why isn't Edwards getting more votes?

Is his message not connecting?
Can people not get past the "haircut scandal"?
Is just that he doesn't have enough $$$?

America is showing it's true colours. Ugly ain't it?

America gets VERY ugly when not with $$$$$$$$$$ !!!

Edwards campaign is STARVED for money !! And no wonder why. I just got an email asking us to raise $ 1.8 million by Jan 26th, SC primary.

The message of change- the REAL change - does not get out far with MSMs and Clinton machine (of fogging and destruction) behaving as Edwards doesn't exist. Edwards IS their worst nightmare, while Hillary, and Obama, are owned by corpos. With ANY of them - as John has said - the repigs are just replaced by dem lobbyists. These two had stolen John's message -and the sheeple are too stupid to figure out there should be substance attached. They have no attention span lasting long enough to read thru 80 pages of John's PLAN for ONE America - easy to download from John's website. They have to see it on TeeeVeee -which costs money.

Please make a contribution to Edwards today toward the goal of $1.8 million by January 26 -- our support will help make a difference !!!

I am waiting for Hillary to annouce in the spirit of uniting, her VP will be Monica L. After all if the main experience is sexperience .. - the only continuous 35 yrs experience of Hillary, of any record, that can be confirmed, is her sleeping with Bill (on "her" wifey days - or nights).. After all Monica was an (s)expert in this so memorable part of Clintons life - so, as I read somewhere, it IS a toss which one was better experienced. Just try to put down on paper Hillary's experience in an organized way, as we all have in the resumes - it becomes very clear what a fraud is getting sheeple in the idiot frenzy.

The Euro media spell 58% of dems New Hamster voters were women, almost 30 % younger than 30. I read earlier today with quotes from some NH hairdressers union (mostly female, the lowest educated with lowest wages in NH demographics) - whoever was the quoted woman speaking for them, she said they ALL were soooooo moved by Hillary's emotions/tears/ exhaustion (just like they feel every day ..) and sooooo sooooorry for her (!!!!!!) they had to vote for her in female solidarity !!
Had I not seen it printed, I would never believe this crappola. They could not answer the question if Hillary would be able to cry her way out of trouble with Iran, Iraq, the dollar falling fast on the arse, etc..

I am a professional woman in NYC and still have to find one woman who says she'd vote for Hillary (esp. female lawyers of any stripes/ kind of law they practise/ loathe her, and Bill, as disgrace to the profession ;) If they deliver and vote for Edwards, I'd change my opinion of them all, esp. in NYC. They all also say if Hillary gets nominated, they'll vote for any repig nominated in general el. - first time ever in life. When I heard that from the first I thought it was an abberration, but, it keeps repeating, in a very engaged manner.

This is an excellent link to White House Endorsement Watch
K Street Endorsements/ lobbyists
http://www.rollcall.com/politics/kstendorsements.html

Clinton 58
Obama 18
Edwards 0

the repig w/highest count is Mitty with 24..

So, Hillary is the true essence of the Democratic party. No wonder repigs love her.
While there, clickkkk on the Lawmakers (left hand side)
Keep going back there - within past few days Hillary and Obama picked a few.

Re: Obama ==> read this if you didn't yet:

1.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/14/us/politics/14rezko.html?_r=1&hp=&oref...

An Obama Patron and Friend Until an Indictment

By CHRISTOPHER DREW and MIKE McINTIRE
Published: June 14, 2007
CHICAGO — Antoin Rezko, an entrepreneur of considerable charm who found riches in fast food and real estate, is known around Chicago as a collector of politicians.

Antoin Rezko was indicted last fall on federal charges of business fraud and influence peddling involving the Illinois governor’s administration. ..(cont..)

2.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/worldnews.html?in_ar...

Believe it or not, Cheney and Obama are distant cousins, wife reveals
17th October 2007

There's no sign of a family reunion planned, but U.S. Vice President Dick Cheney and Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama are distant cousins.

So says the vice president's wife, Lynne Cheney, who said she discovered that her husband of 43 years is eighth cousins with the senator from Illinois.

A spokesman for Obama, who wants to be the first black U.S. president, offered a tongue-in-cheek response: "Every family has a black sheep". (cont..)

3.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article...

Barack Obama's stepmother living in Bracknell reveals the close bond with him ... and his mother
By ELIZABETH SANDERSON - 6th January 2008

The difference between the neat cul-de-sacs of a Bracknell housing estate and the grand boulevards of Capitol Hill couldn't be more marked.

One is an ordinary corner of Berkshire filled with modest semis, where life revolves around the supermarket and the local pub quiz.
The other is the domain of the American President and the world's most famous political powerhouse. "...(cont)

housing estate = projects/ hsg for the poor (in Anglo English)

4. The “corporate media” is licking its lips. Corporate America (incl Heinz) is rejoicing tonight.

http://www.harpers.org/archive/2006/11/0081275
Barack Obama Inc.: The birth of a Washington machine

it is ... startling to see how quickly Obama’s senatorship has been woven into the web of institutionalized influence-trading that afflicts official Washington. He quickly established a political machine funded and run by a standard Beltway group of lobbyists, P.R. consultants, and hangers-on.

For the staff post of policy director he hired Karen Kornbluh, a senior aide to Robert Rubin when the latter, as head of the Treasury Department under Bill Clinton, was a chief advocate for NAFTA and other free-trade policies that decimated the nation’s manufacturing sector (and the organized labor wing of the Democratic Party).
Obama’s top contributors are corporate law and lobbying firms (Kirkland & Ellis and Skadden, Arps, where four attorneys are fund-raisers for Obama as well as donors), Wall Street financial houses (Goldman Sachs and JPMorgan Chase), and big Chicago
interests (Henry Crown and Company, an investment firm that has stakes in industries ranging from telecommunications to defense).

Obama immediately established a “leadership PAC,” a vehicle through which a member of Congress can contribute to other politicians’ campaigns—and one that political reform groups generally view as a slush fund through which congressional leaders can evade campaign-finance rules while raising their own political profiles.

.....“On condition of anonymity, one Washington lobbyist I spoke with was willing to point out the obvious: that big donors would not be helping out Obama if they didn’t see him as a “player.” The lobbyist added: “What’s the dollar value of a starry-eyed idealist?”

When Kerry gets close to Obama, defeat is definite. I think Kerry is doing a great service for Edwards by distancing himself. The media was not in favor of Kerry and dumped Edwards altogether in the end.

Edwards is going to win S.C., only if people from other states don't vote from S.C. for Obama or Hillary.

NH primaries are a bogus. I wish they hand counted the ballots rather than computer results.

Vman @ 88:

Great....Obama lets a rip-off in New Hampshire slide when he should have demanded a recount to verify the exit poll discrepancy he alone suffered.

Please post a link to an exit poll. I've only see polls from before the voting. Thanks.

I am not a Barack Obama supporter for one reason because he is not sincere and is supporting the republican nominee similar to Kerry in 2004.

I do not like to vote for Hillary either; she is too ambitious and will do anything to be in the limelight.

I think Bloomberg should support Edwards; he is level headed.

My predictions were that Hillary would be the president and then the end of the world.

yeesh! John Kerry is such a disgusting political opportunist. Can't stand the man.

I just hope he doesn't put a jinx on Obama.

nr 29: OliverDreams.

I heartily agree.

I would love for Gravel to be competing right now, but this isn't a fairy tale and he will get 0 media coverage. Instead we have Mr. "I haven't done anything in my life but I speak very well" with Miss "Iraq is so cool let's bomb Iran now".

OTOH, they are still a thousand times better than anything republican.

I mean - they speak English. Well. And aren't (dys)functional morons...

So - could be better could be worse.

On the lighter side:

Kerry is acting sissy and girly by dissing Edwards. Only girls behave that way. LOL

Straight Shooter at 90

Here's the best I can offer, based on personal experience.

1. You're based on a MACV compound in South Viet Nam. It gets attacked at 2 a.m. You run to your assigned position, tripping along the way. You do it because it's your duty.

2. You are on a swift boat on a fairly dangerous mission. You take some fire and, as captain, you move ashore, shooting at some Vietnamese youth running away from you. A person on your swift boat films the action.

I don't criticise either. But I know there is courage, there is ambition, and the two overlap.

He was for Obama before he was against him, who in there right mind would want this guy endorsing you?

LanceThruster @ 18:

Your loyalty to Sen Edwards, Sen. Kerry, is actually making Sen. Lieberman look like a stand-up guy. I think maybe there is something to this Skull and Bones cloak and dagger stuff.

Ditto !

tyree @ 103:

Gorgei @ 95:

tyree @ 89:

Shared Humanity @ 85:
you go ahead and speak your piece cd , this aint fucking natzi held territory yet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

whats up with this cat?

whats up with this pussey!

i love how you manage to add extra letters where none are needed lol

Oh no! I'll have to rethink that vote.

Senator John Kerry embraced the presidential candidacy of Senator Barack Obama here on Thursday, saying Mr. Obama “had the greatest potential to lead a transformation, not just a transition.”

“Who better than Barack Obama to bring new credibility to America’s role in the world and help restore our moral authority?” Mr. Kerry.

You got to make it to the White House first for potential to mean anything.

simon @ 112:

tyree @ 103:

Gorgei @ 95:

tyree @ 89:

whats up with this cat?

whats up with this pussey!

i love how you manage to add extra letters where none are needed lol

like that huh??????????? wtf you think i add them ? its just so youll get your jollys, enjoy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

No loss for Edwards. Edwards is a classy guy, he didn't need Kerry in 2004, and he doesn't need him now. I believe Kerry and Edwards had a falling out when Kerry bailed out so quickly after losing in Ohio. Edwards wanted to stay in the race till all the votes had been counted in Ohio. Kerry wanted to concede the election and bail out. I do not believe getting an endorsement from Kerry is much to brag about. Because of that, I do believe Edwards' comments on the Ed Schultz today were sincere. I think the progressive voters better really take a second look at John Edwards. He is the one the Republicans really do not want to face in November. P.S. FYI Obama endorsed Lieberman over Ned Lamont in the 2006 election. That says something to me!

According to the ANA (American Nurses Association), Edwards has the best plan for nationalized health care next to Dennis Kucinich. Think about that!

I guess John Edwards just learned who his real friends are. I've lost all respect for Kerry; hell, I'd lost it when he promised to challenge the election results back in 2004 and elected to go skiing instead of sticking to his promise, and Edwards urged him to do so.

Good for Obama, but not at the expense of such a public fracture. Suppose Edwards drops out of the race and throws his delgates to Hillary? Anything could happen, but Kerry's fast getting a reputation for lack of loyalty if he ever had any.

Ruthless People @ 121:

That's the last thing Edwards would need at this moment when he's trying to pull ahead is an endorsement from Kerry. If I were Edwards I would get down on my knees and kiss the ground I didn't get his endorsement.

You might be right. If Edwards' healthcare plan draws groups like the AMA and the Nurses Union, he'll be in better shape than Obama.

It might come back to haunt Obama, but someone else pointed out the benefit of having Kerry's donors list to help him keep pace with Hillary.

dandy @ 31:

Hey everyone........firstly, Hillary has plenty of "establishment support" within the Congress. Here's a prediction (and remember, I said it first): After "Sunami Tuesday" Edwards drops out and becomes Obama's running mate on the Democratic ticket. Hillary licks her wounds and angles for a cabinet seat (Sec'y of State???) in the Obama/Edwards White House! The handwriting is on the wall................

What if Gore comes out and endorses Obama? Real payback to the Clintons for tossing his 2000 campaign under the bus so that Bush got POTUS and paved the way for Hillary, wouldn't it?

Gorgei @ 82:

kali yuga @ 77:

Gorgei @ 73:

Does anyone in here think Edwards still has a chance in this? To me, it seems he is acting very selfishly for someone that believes in change so strongly. He knows his role right now is king maker. I think he has a right to run and I am not articulating that he needs to jump out. But whats his role right now? I like him and hope he backs Obama, but I hope he does it soon.

I want Edwards in as long as possible. Once he's gone, there'll be no discussion at all of our descent into corporate fascism. The two who are taking corporate bribes certainly aren't going to mention it.

So if its not Edwards, will you not be voting? If I thought Obama was a fascist I would never vote for him. If you beleive Clinton and Obama are both fascists you will likeley have quite a dilema come November.

So will I, and millions of other liberals. Kali simply stated the truth; we are living in a corporate fascist country right now. I apologize if I'm wrong, but didn't Obama vote for the corporate loan-sharking bill that is destroying the debt ridden middle class? Didn't Hillary lecture us (back when she was the inevitable candidate) that "corporations are people too, and have every bit as much right to running the government as its citizens"?

I would not call Obama (who I like), or Hillary (who I don't) fascists. But there is plenty of evidence to support the claim that they are part of the "status quo" (on several issues), in what is undeniably a corporate-fascist state.

That is why I support Edwards. I just don't see a New Deal II coming from the others. And make no mistake about it, that is what its going to take to fix the disastrous state of affairs in this country after Chimpy leaves.

One question I have that nobody has talked about yet: What happens this summer, if the country goes into a full-blown economic depression (a real possibilty), yet back in February we nominated one of these "corporate" candidates. Will they suddenly start talking like Edwards?

The economy (not Iraq), will far and away be the number one issue by November. Of this I am certain. Neither Clinton or Obama has convinced me they understand this.

Kucinich Asks for New Hampshire Recount in the Interest of Election Integrity

Dennis Kucinich has been my candidate and he will remain my candidate until he is no longer a candidate for president. A prompt end to the occupation of Iraq (HR 1234), not-for-profit single-payer universal health care (HR 676), repealing the "Patriot Act" and NAFTA, a 'Works Green" administration, Dept. of Peace, articles of impeachment against Cheney (H Res 333, HR 799) and soon Bush, marriage equality, has voted against the Iraq War resolution and all funding for the war/occuption, etc. For me he's right on the issues and he gets it right the first time. But the recount request isn't about Dennis thinking his outcome in the NH will change. It's about the integrity of the vote, all of our votes. It's not just about NH. It's about whether we can trust the voting process. It's about the general election as much as it is about the primaries. Regardless of who the Dem nominee is it is unacceptable that the Repubs be allowed to steal another election. I understand and respect that many of us have differences of opinions on the issues and who we wish to see occupy the Whitehouse in 2009 but a lot is at stake. I'm not happy with the Dem Party but it is important in the end to unite and vote Dem if for no other reason than the next prez. will likely be appointing new people to the Supreme Court. I think we all understand the decades of additional damage that can be done by having more conservatives on the court...and all of the Dem candidates are better than any of the Republicans. If we hope to reverse the damage the Republicans have done, the abuse of power, they must not win the next prez. election (and I hope the cowardly Dems in congress, and I'm not referring to all Dems, will find their spines and provide bold leadership).

Bush had a 4 year track record and Kerry STILL lost. I don't know how much of a bounce Obama can expect from an endorsement from the guy who couldn't beat the worst president ever.

to those of you who faithfully subscribed to the Chris Matthews School of Useless Babble, good news! you've graduated! congratulations! here's your diploma. have a nice life. now, go away. now, where was i...

hey, America, guess what? we don't have to kiss the clinton ring anymore! isn't that great!

we don't have to add to our burden of having to pull their whimpering, lip-biting bacon out of the fire anymore! we don't have to play marriage counselors to this dysfunctional part of our history!

let them go on to enjoy a carefree life like most middle-aged couples with plenty of power and lots of dough. trust me, they won't stay depressed for long. such a big world to see, so much to do in it.

so why bring them back to WASHINGTON and yank this country back to the moments i can only muster a tired giggle over-and that's out of EMBARRASSMENT!

why do we continue to rescue and embrace this two-note dynastic disaster: bush/clinton, clinton/bush then have the nerve to tell an already skeptical world in turmoil that OURS is the only model of democracy that should be copied?

and the tears...ah, yes, The Tears. now, America, mrs. clinton DID say she's "in it to win it." here's the translation: 'i'll do ANYTHING it takes to get the chance I deserve-even if it embarrasses the country.'

so i reckon, as PRESIDENT when she can't move her agenda with, say, the Joint Chiefs of Staff, some experienced,dignified military brass member may have to break out the Kleenex and take the time to comfort and console our Commander and Chief.

mrs.clinton seems to think the American people OWE her her chance at the white house because she 'tolerated' her husband for his two terms-for our sake. i don't think we want the system to work like that, ma'am.

and is there any TIME for this, America? do you have time for THIS? well, maybe.

between boarding up your houses that have come under foreclosure or sending yet AGAIN a son, a daughter, husband, wife-our citizen/soldiers to be lined up as cannon fodder.

if there is ANYONE who should be crying, it is US!

pssst...hey, America, you may not know this but...the clintons and the bushes are not the only game in town.

one great thing about this country still is that there is a BOUNTY of bright, young, capable leaders with wonderful promise and potential. there are countries in crisis right now that are voting their HEARTS out to find the kind of leaders we fail to utilize here. instead, we cough up and regurgitate agendas that no longer fit into this rapidly changing society of ours.

the women i know are not burning their bras, ms. steinem, they're paying a small fortune for them.
while i revere the Civil Rights Movement, forgive me if i IGNORE andrew young, john lewis and most of the congressional black caucus.

and what is it about catching politicians at the tail-end of their working lives that compels us to give them that last boost to white house glory?

we are not bankrupt in leaders-we are bankrupt in imagining where fresh, interesting, capable leadership can take us-and i can respectfully tell you it does not come in the visage of john mccain, mike gravel, ron paul, ralph nader, the G.O.P, the bushes or the clintons.

EXPERIENCE in the white house. EXPERIENCE in the white house. ok, let's talk about it. then let's talk about the REQUIREMENTS for the job.

1. face-slapping the president while first lady in the white house is NOT experience.
2. giving the silent treatment to the president as first lady in the white house is NOT experience.
3. chatting up world dignitaries as first lady while munching on finger food is NOT experience.
4. hawking health care reform as first lady only to get smacked down is not only NOT experience, but should give us all a moments' pause.

now, let's talk requirements.
35 years of age
native-born u.s. citizen...

don't believe me? just put down the i-pods, the blackberrys and lattes and read the section of the Constitution that tells you all about requirements.

Barack Obama is a Black man. Barack Obama is a Black man. well, ain't THAT a kick in the head! but lookie here, lookie here, he fits the REQUIREMENTS!

i like his message. i respect him. i have confidence in him. he is of my generation and hails from my hometown. he is my choice for president.

anonymous @ 136:

to those of you who faithfully subscribed to the Chris Matthews School of Useless Babble, good news! you've graduated! congratulations! here's your diploma. have a nice life. now, go away. now, where was i...

hey, America, guess what? we don't have to kiss the clinton ring anymore! isn't that great!

we don't have to add to our burden of having to pull their whimpering, lip-biting bacon out of the fire anymore! we don't have to play marriage counselors to this dysfunctional part of our history!

let them go on to enjoy a carefree life like most middle-aged couples with plenty of power and lots of dough. trust me, they won't stay depressed for long. such a big world to see, so much to do in it.

so why bring them back to WASHINGTON and yank this country back to the moments i can only muster a tired giggle over-and that's out of EMBARRASSMENT!

why do we continue to rescue and embrace this two-note dynastic disaster: bush/clinton, clinton/bush then have the nerve to tell an already skeptical world in turmoil that OURS is the only model of democracy that should be copied?

and the tears...ah, yes, The Tears. now, America, mrs. clinton DID say she's "in it to win it." here's the translation: 'i'll do ANYTHING it takes to get the chance I deserve-even if it embarrasses the country.'

so i reckon, as PRESIDENT when she can't move her agenda with, say, the Joint Chiefs of Staff, some experienced,dignified military brass member may have to break out the Kleenex and take the time to comfort and console our Commander and Chief.

mrs.clinton seems to think the American people OWE her her chance at the white house because she 'tolerated' her husband for his two terms-for our sake. i don't think we want the system to work like that, ma'am.

and is there any TIME for this, America? do you have time for THIS? well, maybe.

between boarding up your houses that have come under foreclosure or sending yet AGAIN a son, a daughter, husband, wife-our citizen/soldiers to be lined up as cannon fodder.

if there is ANYONE who should be crying, it is US!

pssst...hey, America, you may not know this but...the clintons and the bushes are not the only game in town.

one great thing about this country still is that there is a BOUNTY of bright, young, capable leaders with wonderful promise and potential. there are countries in crisis right now that are voting their HEARTS out to find the kind of leaders we fail to utilize here. instead, we cough up and regurgitate agendas that no longer fit into this rapidly changing society of ours.

the women i know are not burning their bras, ms. steinem, they're paying a small fortune for them.
while i revere the Civil Rights Movement, forgive me if i IGNORE andrew young, john lewis and most of the congressional black caucus.

and what is it about catching politicians at the tail-end of their working lives that compels us to give them that last boost to white house glory?

we are not bankrupt in leaders-we are bankrupt in imagining where fresh, interesting, capable leadership can take us-and i can respectfully tell you it does not come in the visage of john mccain, mike gravel, ron paul, ralph nader, the G.O.P, the bushes or the clintons.

EXPERIENCE in the white house. EXPERIENCE in the white house. ok, let's talk about it. then let's talk about the REQUIREMENTS for the job.

1. face-slapping the president while first lady in the white house is NOT experience.
2. giving the silent treatment to the president as first lady in the white house is NOT experience.
3. chatting up world dignitaries as first lady while munching on finger food is NOT experience.
4. hawking health care reform as first lady only to get smacked down is not only NOT experience, but should give us all a moments' pause.

now, let's talk requirements.
35 years of age
native-born u.s. citizen...

don't believe me? just put down the i-pods, the blackberrys and lattes and read the section of the Constitution that tells you all about requirements.

Barack Obama is a Black man. Barack Obama is a Black man. well, ain't THAT a kick in the head! but lookie here, lookie here, he fits the REQUIREMENTS!

i like his message. i respect him. i have confidence in him. he is of my generation and hails from my hometown. he is my choice for president.

yes and just think hes only takeing three quarters of the money from the corporations that hillary is, airpac loves them some obama, and im investing in haliburton might make me rich if obama gets frightened by them iranian terriorists he talks about , yeah obamas the man!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Excellent point (#130)! I've been thinking the very same thing!

One can only wonder what John Kerry is up to and what he wants from Obama. As Kerry is an experienced skilled Law Maker one would think he would wait to endorse a candidate knowing his ex running mate was still in the race. It's no secret Kerry hates the Clintons but to show the people that voted for Kerry/Edwards, now realize Kerry didn't like and even care about his VP. Senator Obama now has alot of slick Law Makers who will take advantage of his lack of experience. Obama wants the California Governor in his cabinet and it's been down hill from there. What will Oprah ask for? Obama is a freshmen Senator with no other background who wants to learn on the job. We are in a recession yet Obama has no idea what to do about it be hope it gets better. He's spending his spear time talking with Connie Rice on what he can do for Africa and his Father's hometown. As he's busy campaigning he isn't able to get to Washington to vote on bills that will help his State of Illinois. I wonder how the people of his State feel knowing they no representation as they lose their homes and jobs. Well the only important thing is getting elected Senator then running for President who cares what the voters need.
We have seen our country down to it's lowest under the Bush Administration as now we are willing to complete the fall by having a junior Senator sit in the Oval Office to learn what a President does.

Jackie @ 142:

One can only wonder what John Kerry is up to and what he wants from Obama. As Kerry is an experienced skilled Law Maker one would think he would wait to endorse a candidate knowing his ex running mate was still in the race. It's no secret Kerry hates the Clintons but to show the people that voted for Kerry/Edwards, now realize Kerry didn't like and even care about his VP. Senator Obama now has alot of slick Law Makers who will take advantage of his lack of experience. Obama wants the California Governor in his cabinet and it's been down hill from there. What will Oprah ask for? Obama is a freshmen Senator with no other background who wants to learn on the job. We are in a recession yet Obama has no idea what to do about it be hope it gets better. He's spending his spear time talking with Connie Rice on what he can do for Africa and his Father's hometown. As he's busy campaigning he isn't able to get to Washington to vote on bills that will help his State of Illinois. I wonder how the people of his State feel knowing they no representation as they lose their homes and jobs. Well the only important thing is getting elected Senator then running for President who cares what the voters need.
We have seen our country down to it's lowest under the Bush Administration as now we are willing to complete the fall by having a junior Senator sit in the Oval Office to learn what a President does.

Very smart - you must be talking abt the TWO of them: Hillary IS a JUNIOR SENATOR from NY (I am in NYC), didn't do a thing for the State of New York except of using us as a trampoline to the WH, runs a most arrogant/unresponsive office, conducts herself the way you describe above.

re: lawmakers: rollcall as of today (hard to say how many are slick, and to what degree):

Clinton 78
Obama 37
Edwards 17

She lived in the WH, but so do Barney and Miss Beazley, who must have been sitting in many more high level meetings, also in the Oval Office (see the WH video clips), and did less damage than Hillary. All three (+ Obama) don't have the security clearance - same deal.

As to the example/memory of the Oval Office doings - wasn't it called Oral Office during Bill's reign ?? Doesn't seem the best way to emulate, especially w/ GWB disaster left to us. Thanks for killing 2 birds with one posting. I couldn't agree more:

NO junior senators in the Oval Office, either from Illinois, or, New York !!! Edwards 2008 !!!

One more point for John Edwards - if you didn't yet, read his PLAN for ONE America (80 pages) downloadable form his site. Money donation would be nice too - he is not one of them corpowhores as Clinton and Obama.

I vividly remember Kerry's disappearance act in '04. He could not high-tail it out of the spotlight fast enough, and he stayed out for a long time. I was so pissed at him for that because even before the proof was in, it was obvious the election had been rigged in Ohio.

Edwards doesn't need Kerry.

Yes, I too heard Edwards on Ed Shultz today. Edwards is a class act, period.

Johnny2Bad @ 123:

Gorgei @ 73:

Does anyone in here think Edwards still has a chance in this? To me, it seems he is acting very selfishly for someone that believes in change so strongly. He knows his role right now is king maker. I think he has a right to run and I am not articulating that he needs to jump out. But whats his role right now? I like him and hope he backs Obama, but I hope he does it soon.

WTF? That's total crap!!

Have you seen the delegate totals...This is notover by any stretch.

Obama...25
Clinton...24
Edwards...18

I asked a legitimate question and state it is my opinion and you rip into people. I have watched your threads throughout C&L and you simply attack anybody that has reasonable questions. You Edwards fanatics act like everyone that is not for your canidate is ignorant or a Nazi, truly about change and making a better America...way to outline a better process...go take a class on public discourse [Calling someone a name while chiding their 'public discourse' style is rather ironic, don't you think? Sitemonitor].

Progressive Democrats can't bitch anymore after this! If they choose Bush lite corporatists like Hillary and Obama instead of a FDR/New Deal candidate Like Edwards, then they get what they deserve. More of Bush policies for 4 more years!! Progressives are either very naieve or very dumb!