Well, wherever your sympathies may lie, here's Proof Positive That ‘Ole Bill Clinton is a Little Strange.

If you have seen 'A' Daily Show lately where Jon Stewart dedicated sometime in that issue, you could see that it's the media which is hyping the race war to target against Hillary Clinton. Hillary made an honest comment about LJ and yet somehow with the media hyped, it became Hillary targetting MLK. So if the blacks themselves think that this is an issue, and we lost the presidency because of this, i would say blame it for themselves for bringing more sufferings to their own people.

Clinton had done so much for the blacks in the 90s, and now they are all attacking Clinton just because of that 1 comment which was being hyped? Do you know the decision that LJ faced during the Civil Rights Act? He willingly surrendered the South to the Republicans just so Blacks can have a better life. And yet i don't see any black being appreciative of that or in fact voted consistently with the democrats!! The South became the Republican stronghold because of the race issue and you think that Obama can make a difference? Regardless of having Hillary or Obama, we will still have a 51% President.

And for your information, Obama thinks that he can score with the voters at the Bay Area because of his progressiveness. Well firstly he is against the gay movement, his environmental record is not that clean, and from the SC debate, you can see that he has very little knowledge about economics... and the Bay Area is what gives California to the Democrats. Till Obama changes his stances on those issues (which he needed those issues to get the south and midwest), and 40% of the voters here being independant, i forsee California switching sides to the Republicans by a very minimal margin if Obama gets the nomination.

By all means go dance Bill. Obama has to work on solutions for health care, global warming and energy. All problems that you ignored in the 90s.

Here is an international story on Obama, it's insightful and The New Statesman has no axe to grind.

Obama Unmasked

I love that picture! You show them Big Dawg!

I know that people hate it when commenters divulge their ethnicity, etc.. BUT AS A woman of color, I can say that Bill & Hillary Clinton have done more for minorites than Obama ever had - or ever will do for minorities in his lifetime. Toni Morrison was spot on.

As an Edwards supporter, I'm so glad that we aren't wasting bandwidth on gender or race.

Oh, wait...

When Obama can be the center of attention he's all for it, but he knows darn well he can't hold a candle to Bill Clinton, in any way. So he'll steer clear and spew his underhanded vile.

odanny @ 7:

Here is an international story on Obama, it's insightful and The New Statesman has no axe to grind.

Obama Unmasked

There is nobody with "no axe to grind," I found the article ridiculously ad hominem. Did the New Statesman run a similar article about our president's alcoholism and drug abuse during the 2000 elections I wonder? Not that I can see...

Albatross @ 15:

odanny @ 7:

Here is an international story on Obama, it's insightful and The New Statesman has no axe to grind.

Obama Unmasked

There is nobody with "no axe to grind," I found the article ridiculously ad hominem. Did the New Statesman run a similar article about our president's alcoholism and drug abuse during the 2000 elections I wonder? Not that I can see...

Well, it will certainly rub some people wrong, but the old saying about "heat" and a "kitchen" applies. His past will be under a microscope and he better get used to it.

The Smear Boat Veterans cannot be far behind.

odanny @ 7:

Here is an international story on Obama, it's insightful and The New Statesman has no axe to grind.

Obama Unmasked

Insightful? No. Opinionated and judgmental? Yes.

Odanny@17:

The Smear Boat Veterans cannot be far behind.

Precisely! If Obama can't take it from a Clinton, he's going to get creamed by the 'thugs, let alone if he actually does become president.

Marge @ 13:

When Obama can be the center of attention he's all for it, but he knows darn well he can't hold a candle to Bill Clinton, in any way. So he'll steer clear and spew his underhanded vile.

This is what makes Bill Clinton sexy! The saxophone, the dancing - it's brilliant. Let Obama groan and moan. It's just hilarious how Bill Clinton's magnetic persona has affected him.

I think Obama is right to not engage with anything President Clinton is trying to engage in him at this point. It's all frugal and staged.

He needs to stay on message and come out blasting when his message is lied about and distorted. He is currently doing a very good job of putting team Clinton on the ropes and gaining support from all walks because of his positive message and clear ability to bring people together.

He is going to always faced with the hate mongers on both sides of the political system and from all walks of life, but he is starting to get real good at firing back when he needs to and thats what counts.

Please don't act like the media started this whole race issue. Damn it Obama ran as a race neutral candidate in Iowa. It wasn't until Hillary was down big did she bring up that dumb comment about MLK. It wasn't until then that Bill talked about Obama being a "fairytale." All that kind of stuff brought race up.

I highly recommend Buchanan's wonderful piece about the Clinton's ghettoizing of Obama. It is downright disgusting what the Clinton's are doing and everyone ought to be offended.

http://buchanan.org/blog/?p=922

odanny @ 7:

Here is an international story on Obama, it's insightful and The New Statesman has no axe to grind.

Obama Unmasked

I find it highly unnecessary that you posted a link to such an obvious disgusting hit piece against Obama. It really troubles me what lengths the Clinton supporters will go to ruin Obama. If they are all so close on the issues why are we considering putting Hillary, one of the most divisive people in politics, in charge?

2fargone @ 30:

everything you need to know about hillary clinton:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=9L50shyUoQU

This one speech says it all about Hillary. While Obama was fighting against the Iraq war and working on our behalf - Hillary launched a war on nudity in video games

what a bitch - says a lot that she joined Lieberman with this stupid push...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=x1udjd2Aq3E

SM @ 9:

I love that picture! You show them Big Dawg!

I know that people hate it when commenters divulge their ethnicity, etc.. BUT AS A woman of color, I can say that Bill & Hillary Clinton have done more for minorites than Obama ever had - or ever will do for minorities in his lifetime. Toni Morrison was spot on.

love how you speak for the rest of his life name one thing personally for the black comminity, black people had it better when bill was in office because the economy was good. and as americans blacks benefited because the american economy was good. and he had help from a congress who actually did their jobs.so unless you can show what they personally did for a black community. please don't use this argument again.not an obama supporter but i do know that you can look up what he did for the blaclk community as a state senator.

ms b @ 32:

Steven @ 3:

If you have seen 'A' Daily Show lately where Jon Stewart dedicated sometime in that issue, you could see that it's the media which is hyping the race war to target against Hillary Clinton. Hillary made an honest comment about LJ and yet somehow with the media hyped, it became Hillary targetting MLK. So if the blacks themselves think that this is an issue, and we lost the presidency because of this, i would say blame it for themselves for bringing more sufferings to their own people.

Clinton had done so much for the blacks in the 90s, and now they are all attacking Clinton just because of that 1 comment which was being hyped? Do you know the decision that LJ faced during the Civil Rights Act? He willingly surrendered the South to the Republicans just so Blacks can have a better life. And yet i don't see any black being appreciative of that or in fact voted consistently with the democrats!! The South became the Republican stronghold because of the race issue and you think that Obama can make a difference? Regardless of having Hillary or Obama, we will still have a 51% President.
name one i dare u
And for your information, Obama thinks that he can score with the voters at the Bay Area because of his progressiveness. Well firstly he is against the gay movement, his environmental record is not that clean, and from the SC debate, you can see that he has very little knowledge about economics... and the Bay Area is what gives California to the Democrats. Till Obama changes his stances on those issues (which he needed those issues to get the south and midwest), and 40% of the voters here being independant, i forsee California switching sides to the Republicans by a very minimal margin if Obama gets the nomination.

name one

I am so glad Obama is striking back! Good for him. Bill deserves NO respect. NAFTA, the bullshit welfare reform. "First Black President" my ass!

Wow, the Hillbots have finally dropped the mask, and have virtually admitted.
this is the Clinton Co-Presidency they want?

And, they will crush anyone, anything that gets in their way?

Right now, If I was Obama, I would seriously consider just calling a cease fire,
in fact, just withdrawing from the campaign. and let the Clintons ride this flaming
zepplin down into the ground...

After 4 years of a diasterous John McCain's presidency, riddled with the Stagflation
and the aftermath of Iraq, it will be Obama's democratic party to lead back from the
wilderness....

But, that's not going to happen, it's just going to go into this brutal war, and
Hillary will win the nomination, and lose with almost no black vote in the fall....

WashStateBlue @ 39:

After 4 years of a diasterous John McCain's presidency, riddled with the Stagflation
and the aftermath of Iraq, it will be Obama's democratic party to lead back from the
wilderness....

Ooo, can I play pundit, too? I mean, I'm sure I can be as inaccurate and biased as those on TV.

How about this? After four years of McCain, Clinton, Huckabee, Obama, or Romney, the poverty rate would clear 20% and someone like Edwards would walk right in, because a majority of Americans would have at least one poor friend (who they knew wasn't a slacker, etc, etc) and so the majority would stop voting against their own interests.

What do I win?

I am an African American Democratic female voter. I think about Bill Clinton a lot, lately.

My ex is caucasian. I don't think about him at all.

Bill Clinton is the man who is on my mind.

What a rascal.

You can't help but find his antics adorable.

Bette Davis Nasty Gal

Rice begs Musharraf to play fair.

The Legacy of George W. Bush

Who cares if they can dance. Can they chew gum and walk at the same time, and or think.

NCTL @ 50:

Obama shits through his mouth, and his followers can't smell it. maybe they could if they could blow the snot out of their noses

My God, is that the best you can come up with? Why not think before you post

NCTL @ 52:

now we're blaming bill for exposing obama, Lord only knows how the media loves him. Now the little boy is crying because he is being confronted. I get sick and tired of the media calling the truth attacks. If he is crying because the billyboy is picking on him,how the hell is he going to stand up to the repugblicans, they are going to smear his ass all over the place. Oh no they can't because obama is going to fight them with hope and inspiration. LOL!!!!

That's better.

Among our other projects, we have to restore habeas corpus, we have to terminate torture as an official policy, we have to roll back military adventurism as our foreign policy, we have to make significant investment in our domestic infrastructure in order to prevent an already-dwindling middle class from bleeding into an already-bleeding underclass, we have to repair—as much as may be possible—our profaned global reputation as the caretakers and midwives of freedom and justice; we have so much work to do and so little time before our opportunity passes and I can't tell you how tired I am of the Clintons after all of these years, as they cry about how hard it is for them, as they rage at how unfairly they're being treated, how determined they are to bestride our narrow imaginations like a colossus. Please let us find the will, the way, and the walking money to run all monsters of vanity over, plow them under, consign them to the margins of our vision in a great sweeping move forward. Now is the time. We're right, but are we brave?

I think most people in S.C. etc are realizing the Clintons are beating up a bit on Obama and they are swinging towards Obama for that reason. On A.C. 360 on CNN they said african american women are trending towards Obama and away from Clinton. I don't think very many people like when the establishment candidates beat up on the newcomers.

I'd much rather see John Edwards in Office than another Bush/Clinton/Bush/Clinton White House with Old Man Clinton traveling the world with Old Man Bush. Enough. We want Change!!

people, people, people! that's just the attitude we don't need! sure, the republicans have beaten us the last two presidential elections! they've got the dirtiest campaign techniques. they've got the best advertising money can buy. hell, every candidate they've got running has their own personal fact masseuse. not massu\eur. masseuse. but it doesn't matter! i tell you it just doesn't matter! it just doesn't matter!

and even if we win, if we win, hah! even if we win! even if we campaign so far above our expectations that our noses bleed for a week to ten days; even if god in heaven above comes down and points his hand at our side of the electorate; even if every man woman and child held hands together and prayed for us to win, it just wouldn't matter because all the really good looking girls would still go out with the republicans because they've got all the money! it just doesn't matter if we win or we lose. it just doesn't matter!

everybody: it just doesn't matter! it just doesn't matter! it just doesn't matter!

I want a change too and for the first time ever I hope Hillary's actual "glass ceiling" is the White House; not to be rude dear but your 15 minutes has been far too extended to perhaps 45 minutes, thanks! But we hope to have some lovely departing gifts for you, UPOP! Of course the first words are "Useless Piece of" and the last word is not Pineapple, nor is it Protagonist! No misogyny intended, I just don't want some wife of a wash-up turkey neck-lookin' bitch in charge of the nation immediately after George W. Retard! Do YOU?????? Sorry Clintons, one time was enough, how about [deleted--not on this site], m-Kay?

Toodles,

Bilhelm-X

Virginia continues to lack common sense.

Guys,

We need to stop being passive listeners to everything we hear and think about this in the political spectrum. The Clintons are not bad people, and Obama isn't bad either. If we think on a political level, what we can determine is that the reason the Clintons are fighting hard against Obama is because they probably believe that he cannot win against the Republican candidate.

We have to get out of our bubbles of Obama-worshiping (I'm guilty of it too), and Clinton-whatever, and think: Every American who votes, will more of them vote for Obama than the Republicans? It's true that the bases won't switch if Clinton becomes the candidate, and there might be some shifting if Obama is candidate, but will it be enough... If Mccain does become the Republican nominee, we have to acknowledge that he is center-right, and he will capture a lot of those undecided voters in the middle.

My dad thinks the reason republicans and conservative media outlets are being so hard on Clinton is because they would love it if Obama gets the nomination since they so strongly believe they can defeat him in the general election.

We have to think what's going on in the political realm, Clinton doesn't think Obama can win in the general election. That's why it's become such an important fight. Bill Clinton is seriously putting all of his energy into this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tuG1KbWbh6g

I just did this and been working on it in my spare time. Not the best, but oh hell, its one way to let off steam.

Sean @ 66:

Guys,

We need to stop being passive listeners to everything we hear and think about this in the political spectrum. The Clintons are not bad people, and Obama isn't bad either. If we think on a political level, what we can determine is that the reason the Clintons are fighting hard against Obama is because they probably believe that he cannot win against the Republican candidate.

We have to get out of our bubbles of Obama-worshiping (I'm guilty of it too), and Clinton-whatever, and think: Every American who votes, will more of them vote for Obama than the Republicans? It's true that the bases won't switch if Clinton becomes the candidate, and there might be some shifting if Obama is candidate, but will it be enough... If Mccain does become the Republican nominee, we have to acknowledge that he is center-right, and he will capture a lot of those undecided voters in the middle.

My dad thinks the reason republicans and conservative media outlets are being so hard on Clinton is because they would love it if Obama gets the nomination since they so strongly believe they can defeat him in the general election.

We have to think what's going on in the political realm, Clinton doesn't think Obama can win in the general election. That's why it's become such an important fight. Bill Clinton is seriously putting all of his energy into this.

Oh here I thought the Clintons were fighting for the party nomination....

http://www.newstarget.com/022437.html

"..On the heels of the RIAA's recent decision to criminalize consumers who rip songs from albums they've purchased to their computers (or iPods), the association has now gone one step further and declared that "remembering songs" using your brain is criminal copyright infringement. "The brain is a recording device," explained RIAA president Cary Sherman. "The act of listening is an unauthorized act of copying music to that recording device, and the act of recalling or remembering a song is unauthorized playback..."

Real Republican't Quotes:

Newt 'What have you done for 'me' lately?' Gingrich - " ... I have arranged to borrow the money from Bob Dole ... "

John Boehner (on the Dole/Gingrich bailout) - "The Speaker is not a wealthy man. He doesn't have $300.000.00, in the checkbook."

Bob Dole (on Newt Gingrich's acceptence of a $300,000 loan from Dole to pay off his ethics fine) - "... yet again shown himself to be a man of integrity ... "

Voting for president along racial and gender lines "is understandable, because people are proud when someone who they identify with emerges for the first time," the former president told a Charleston audience Wednesday while campaigning for his wife, a role he has played all week.

So Shirley Chisholm and Jesse Jackson don't mean anything?

bmw 528 @ 36:

odanny @ 22:

bmw 528 @ 19:

odanny @ 7:

Insightful? No. Opinionated and judgmental? Yes.

Ok...will rant for a minute: What did the article say? Did you know this or did you not know ala Obama "I see nothing"
Did the Audacity of Hope talk about the families that lost their housing cause Obama did not know what was going on with Rezko's property? What hope was there for the families in the 30 or so Rezko buildings that defaulted? What hope was there in the millions of affordable housing funds that are gone? Ooops, he did not know. He only worked 5 hours. RIGHT!!!!!!!!
Chicago politics, get used to it. The Chicago papers know it the others ignore it.
PS...Obama did he vote against The Patriot Act? Did he vote against funding the war? Oh, sorry he, in his imagination was against the war. Now we have to play with our imaginary indie friends.

It is also insightful, even if you dont agree with it.

I'm sure Obama fans (I've met the man and genuinely like him) wont like it but they had better get used to hearing worse than this. You have to read between the lines on stories like this, accept the information through a filter, discarding personal opinion.

I had no problem ignoring the author's bias.

I work on Obama's campaign and there was no news in that article for me, except that the author acts like his article is some revelation and expose, which it is not. If he had read "The Audacity of Hope" first he may have felt differently. But there is no end of self important, opinionated people who enjoy trashing others for a living. They will never be remembered for contributing anything positive to our political dialogue.

Being raised in a political family, I understand that politics is not a game for the thin skinned or weak. Obama needs to concentrate on redemptive messages that resonate with voters.

Neither Supply-Side Theory Nor Keynesian Remedies Can Save Us Now
Farewell to Old Economic Nostrums
By PAUL CRAIG ROBERTS

http://www.counterpunch.com/roberts01222008.html

Never Again?
Europe's Collusion in Israel's Slow Genocide
By OMAR BARGHOUTI

http://www.counterpunch.com/barghouti01212008.html

hope someone scrolls down and really reads this post, cuz im gonna link to something truly interesting

http://www.therealkfi.com/

please guys and gals, read the above diatribe from this former wingnut talk show host (and continuing total nut) john ziegler

this is the guy who broke the story... errrrr.....non story....in regards kerry's bad bush joke, that basically derailed his campaign hopes

the dude is certifiable, and with his missive has burned every bridge imaginable in regards to further employment in the radio industry

the interesting parts are his naivite in regards to the fact that talk radio is all about ratings....a talk show host who doesnt understand how his paycheck is earned...who doesnt get that the vast majority of talk radio is about entertainment and most of the right wing hosts are full of shit?

i think i will email a copy of the diatribe to feinstein in order to bolster the case for the return of the fairness doctrine

Clinton. Obama.

NAFTA. AIPAC.

Is it April already?

DK on the floor of the house yesterday.
“If impeachment is off the table,” Mr. Kucinich said, “truth is off the table. If truth is off the table then this body is living a lie.”

charles @ 89:

DK on the floor of the house yesterday.
“If impeachment is off the table,” Mr. Kucinich said, “truth is off the table. If truth is off the table then this body is living a lie.”

Great line. God, I wish he was electable.

Is it me or does Bill look like he has freakishly big hands in that picture?

Bill is out of bounds with his rhetoric. I was leaning toward Hillary but Bill is hurting the party's chances in November. Electability is the most important thing for me. I can live with either candidate {including Edwards}. What I can't tolerate is the Demos blowing another chance in winning. The name calling doesn't help. Bill, shut up, and stick to the issues. That is what voters want to hear.

Mars Up Close {A Bush Parody}

noitaluspacne @ 94:

Stellaa @ 81:

that @ 64:

Abby @ 62:

WRONG!

What if some corporate shill decides to run as a democrat and gets so far as to be considered a possible president? Should we all hold our noses and vote for someone that reeks of corruption, just because they're wearing a certain label? Republican or Democrat, you need someone who doesn't sell the country to the highest bidder, unfortunately those people have been overlooked by our shameful media. Oh, it's a Black Guy! Oh, it's a Woman! Haven't you learned not to judge a book by it's cover? The media is playing you people like a fiddle because actual ideas are pushed aside for interracial ratings.

NOT WRONG its called party politics. If you don't like it go change the party. But don't complain about it.

Actually, party politics, or partisan politics is a problem. If you want to get the crooks and liars out of office, you have to look at each individual. Voters should be looking at the candidates stated principles and more importantly, their track record, either in office or in the private sector.

Actually, the goal is to keep the repugs out of office. Which means If YOU don't vote for the Dem nominee then YOU are the problem.

budda @ 29:

odanny @ 7:

Here is an international story on Obama, it's insightful and The New Statesman has no axe to grind.

Obama Unmasked

I find it highly unnecessary that you posted a link to such an obvious disgusting hit piece against Obama. It really troubles me what lengths the Clinton supporters will go to ruin Obama. If they are all so close on the issues why are we considering putting Hillary, one of the most divisive people in politics, in charge?

Had enough? Support Edwards.

Jerry Tennessee @ 95:

Bill is out of bounds with his rhetoric. I was leaning toward Hillary but Bill is hurting the party's chances in November. Electability is the most important thing for me. I can live with either candidate {including Edwards}. What I can't tolerate is the Demos blowing another chance in winning. The name calling doesn't help. Bill, shut up, and stick to the issues. That is what voters want to hear.

Mars Up Close {A Bush Parody}

Electability is the most important thing to you and you were leaning towards Hillary?

As far as Obama, between the time he were to get nominated and the general election the Republicans would repeat "Barrack Hussein Osama" so many times in campaign ads that come election day half the country would be convinced Barrack was Saddam and Osama's love child. And don't say the people of this country are too smart to fall for that because half the country supported Bush twice.

What part of Edwards is the most electable and the only candidate polled to beat every Republican presidential candidate do people not understand?

What to consider in the latest challenge, “Was Clinton the first black president”?, the question pitched to Barrack Hussein Obama. Then Obama said he needs to observe and make a dance analysis to determine if Bill Clinton was really a brother ? Yuk, Yuk, but, Obama should have let it go and move on, Obama just fell into the race issue in the worst way. Clinton must have read George Lakoff’s book “Whose Freedom” because Clinton just played the media. Actually Clinton is going to show America an other era as an agent of change in the debate process. Joe Scarborough got a whiff of this and almost went insane.

Another dilemma, The Republicans was the party with “Great” ideas in the last ten to fifteen years is what Obama said in an interview, and challenged by Hillary Clinton as were Obama is saying, now it appears Obama supports those Republican ideals, and considers them good. Here, the Democrats have a whole bunch of rhetorical fuel to show how history is written by the Republican Party in the wrong way and made America believe Reagan is great when in reality he was not.

“Great Ideas” are not an impression of saying it is good, this an interesting comment by Obama. Hillary is simply challenging the context in this statement. Joe Scarborough’s and Chris Matthews mind’s on MSNBC just exploded, here they can see it just as plain as other political analyzers and they are all in denial, absolutely inferring Hillary is lying because Obama never said he likes those ideas.

Well folks, there was a very famous commercial from Kellogg’s Corn Flakes, remember those frosted coated corn flakes that Tony the tiger said with a special tone “And Their GREAT” makes me think that Tony Tiger likes Kellogg’s sugar coated corn flakes, with out saying, and you should to. For me Hillary is on the wining side of this challenge. Worse yet the Media is responsible for a lot of the public opinion created during this era. This is it is very telling by Scarborough’s insane reasoning, to avoid the media as the impression on public opinion. Actually Obama goofed on two levels here, one he did prove he likes the those great ideals of the Republicans, likely to get Republican votes, or is Obama testing his ability to cross over like Lieberman? Clinton’s ideals of roll of the dice to doubt what this guy is doing, are most certainly correct.

The fairy tail, is interesting too, Obama is of mixed blood, and his mother from Kansas the heartland of Middle America, his father’s blood of devoted Islamic believes, takes off and leaves them when Obama was two years old. Here, Clinton makes the challenge to a fairy tail which could be that of the America’s greatest folk lore “The Wizard Of OZ”, here Clinton can prove Obama is not wizard you think Obama might be, which makes one think Obama is not the president one would think he thinks he will be.

My personal opinion is disappointed and do not believe Obama should even be considered as a Presidential candidate. In fact as a resident of Illinois I don’t think he should be a Senator. After reading his book called “Audacity of Hope” the end of chapter one reveals and audacity of character that is horrendously racial, bigoted, and telling of Obama’s imagination of Southern White men.

At the end of the very first chapter Obama clearly makes a statement that is absolutely disgusting, bigoted, and shows an immaturity that the media has finally shown America were it moves public opinion in the same way the media has given Bush and Company a pass for the last several decades.

What did Obama say in his writing? Obama said he “IMAGINES SOUTHERN WHITE MEN SAY TO THEIR SONS NIGER THIS AND NIGER THAT” . The rage I felt at the time almost made me feel like destroying something. Obama used the “N” word, here I can not use this word in passing let alone in a nationally published book two years before the election. I am so angry that Mainstream Media considers this black bigot as a uniter.

Barack Hussein Obama reminds me of that Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad when he says there are no “Gays” in Iran. Well, we all know they kill them when Iranian’s find them. I wonder if Mahmoud’s mother is from Kansas.

Daily Reading pt 1...

Environmental Protection Agency head Stephen Johnson was told by staffers that California had a compelling case for the federal Clean Air Act waiver that he later denied and that the agency was likely to lose in court if sued, Sen. Barbara Boxer said Wednesday.
- http://www.mcclatchydc.com/homepage/story/25326.html
Lets see a show of hands...who else would love to see Barbara Boxer as Senate Majority Leader??? Her, Feingold, & Bernie Sanders...our best reps in the Senate by miles.

Rich Countries Do $1.8 Trillion of Environmental Damage To Poor Countries - http://www.nbc11.com/news/15113049/detail.html
UC Berkeley researchers report that environmental damage caused by rich nations affects poor nations so much, it costs them more than their combined foreign debt. The study examined the impacts of the expansion of agriculture, deforestation, overfishing, loss of swamps and ozone completion from 1961 to 2000.
"We think the measured impact is conservative. And given that it's conservative, the numbers are very striking," said Srinivasan, who is now at the Pacific Ecoinformatics and Computational Ecology Lab in Berkeley. "To our knowledge, our study is the first to really examine where nations' ecological footprints are falling, and it is an interesting contrast to the wealth of nations."
Climate change is expected to increase the severity of storms and extreme weather, including prolonged droughts and flooding, with an increase in infectious diseases.
Ozone depletion mostly affects health, with increases expected in cancer rates, cataracts and blindness. All of these will affect vulnerable low-income countries disproportionately, researchers said.

This is worth a repost, because of how disgusting it is & how its a major cause of the coming recession/depression: Chalmers Johnson, How to Sink America - http://www.tomdispatch.com/post/174884/chalmers_johnson_how_to_sink_america
It's not just that our tastes for foreign goods, including imported oil, vastly exceed our ability to pay for them. We are financing them through massive borrowing. On November 7, 2007, the U.S. Treasury announced that the national debt had breached $9 trillion for the first time ever. This was just five weeks after Congress raised the so-called debt ceiling to $9.815 trillion.
If you begin in 1789, at the moment the Constitution became the supreme law of the land, the debt accumulated by the federal government did not top $1 trillion until 1981. When George Bush became president in January 2001, it stood at approximately $5.7 trillion. Since then, it has increased by 45%. This huge debt can be largely explained by our defense expenditures in comparison with the rest of the world.
World total military expenditures (2004 est.), $1,100 billion World total (minus the United States), $500 billion

Robert Scheer: Who Will Take On the Banks? - http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/20080122_who_will_take_on_the_banks/
Deregulation became the mantra covering corporate theft in both Republican and Democratic administrations, and it is amazing that not one of her interlocutors at the South Carolina debate asked Sen. Clinton about her husband’s signing of the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act of 1999, which permitted banks, stockbrokers and insurance companies to merge, overturning one of the major regulatory achievements of the New Deal.
With a military budget that has more than doubled since 9/11, soaking up trillions of dollars in obligations for future generations, it is stupid to argue about whether the Democrats or Republicans would spend more on needed domestic programs, because the money for those programs will not be available.
Its by design....this is Reaganomics/Bushonomics/corporatism on full display...proof that 1) doesn't work, 2) you can't run a country by this 'ideology', 3) empires always fall in this manner...always (Ancient Empires, Empires A.D., French, British, Soviets, etc)

What the 'stimulus' package will really mean - http://www.thewip.net/contributors/2008/01/will_bushs_stimulus_package_w...
As the middle and poorer classes get crushed under a mounting pile of debt, and living costs grow faster than wages, we’re becoming a country of two classes: the top 1% and everyone else. Similarly, we are two economies. The national one is comprised of items like GDP (Gross Domestic Product), corporate profits, stock market performance and CNBC. Then, there’s the other one in which most people live: stretching to afford health care, a mortgage, commuting costs, education, kids, parents, and the credit cards that act as temporary pain killers.

Daily Reading pt 3...

All Bark, no bite: Glenn Greenwald: Consequences for ignoring congressional subpoenas: None - http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/01/23/contempt/index.html
Since the White House announced to the world that it considered Congress' subpoenas to be laughable and worthless, what has happened? Exactly what Miers and Bolton knew would happen if they ignored the subpoenas: absolutely nothing of any consequence. Both Committees voted to issue contempt citations to the two officials, but Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi -- for months and months -- have refused to bring the matter to the floor for a full vote, a requirement for a witness to be held in contempt.
Someone asked why we need a 'fighter' in the WH....well....just another example among the thousands...Edwards 08

One party preaches bi-partisanship while kicking the other party in the groin, and one party hobbles around Congress on kneepads. Guess which one the Democrats are. - http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0108/8057.html

US journalists STILL ignoring Murdoch's Sunday Times scoop on FBI nuclear scandal - http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/greenslade/2008/01/us_journalists_ignore_sun...
An American human rights group attempted to obtain further proof of this Turkish and Israeli-run network that paid high-ranking American officials to steal nuclear weapons secrets by making a freedom of information request for a specific numbered document relating to the case. The FBI responded by claiming that it did not exist. But the Sunday Times countered that it had obtained another document, signed by an FBI official, showing the existence of the file. That's why the Sunday Times's latest story

Another victory for the Corporatocracy: Enron Bankers Cleared of Liability by Bush Supreme Court - http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-scotus23jan23,1,5100297.story

Dan Froomkin: 935 Iraq Falsehoods - http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/blog/2008/01/23/BL200801230...

Will the only Constitutional scholar in the race (Obama) take a stand on retroactive immunity for the telcos? Will he? - http://www.correntewire.com/will_the_only_constitutional_scholar_in_the_...

Early Morning Jokes for January 23 -- Tony Peyser - http://www.buzzflash.com/articles/peyser/742
There is talk of pumping $150 billion in tax cuts and government spending to head off a recession. Is that going to help much when we're spending a billion a week in Iraq and Afghanistan? President Bush is like a guy whose house is burning but instead of calling the fire department, he's planting succulents.
Mike Huckabee supporter Chuck Norris said John McCain is too old to be president. Should we really be taking political advice from the guy who starred in "Missing In Action," "Missing In Action II: The Beginning" and "Braddock: Missing In Action III?"
Chun Kuk Do is a hybrid martial art founded and first taught by Chuck Norris. Oddly enough, it has a 12-point Code Of Ethics and #6 is: "If I have nothing good to say about a person, I will say nothing." I guess this doesn't apply during an election year.
And finally: the percent of Army recruits with a high school diploma dropped last year, continuing a trend that has worsened since the start of the Iraq war. An army spokesman emphatically insisted, "I is not so sure that all the fact is right in this reports."

Fred Thompson joins Golden Girls Reunion Movie cast - http://fredpresident08.blogspot.com/2008/01/fred-thompson-joins-golden-g...

"God" Wants You To Vote … Republican - http://www.rightwingwatch.org/2008/01/god_wants_you_t.html
Barton’s proclaimed goal is to uncover “America's forgotten history and heroes, with an emphasis on the moral, religious, and constitutional foundation on which America was built,” but his real goal is to mobilize religious voters to support Republican candidates – which is, after all, what the RNC regularly pays him to do.

Drumroll Please: Dick Morris is the BuzzFlash Media Putz of the Week. "Morris fell out of favor with the Clintons after his toe-sucking hooker incident (in which he let the prostitute listen in on his phone calls with President Bill Clinton) -- and since then has attacked Hillary Clinton with a misogynist ferocity that makes Chris Matthews come off as Phil Donahue."
- http://mediaputz.com/08/01/putz0124.html
Think of a slightly less psychopathic Michael "weinstein" Savage meets Benedict Arnold...and you have Fox Noise's 'contributor' Dick'ie Morris

Ya, that's what important - that the president is a good dancer. I forgot that this race is turning into American Idol - thanks for reminding me. O btw, is Bill running or Hillary - because I see the same amount of both. They really don't want to give up the Bush/Clinton Dynasty - too bad.

Sure I would vote for Obama but Bill would clean
his clock in any debate. The Repugs are scared
of Bill. In fact he scares them more than any Democratic
candidate. Life in America was pretty good under Clinton
so how do you guys like it now?

What a total NON-STORY!!! Who gives a flying fuck about this, really...AGAIN I SAY, slightly more pressing matters to attend to people...get with the FUCKIN PROGRAM!
This is the MOST IMPORTANT election that I can remember. And people are fawning over a former presidents dancing prowess...Wow....

Mike @ 109:

Sure I would vote for Obama but Bill would clean
his clock in any debate. The Repugs are scared
of Bill. In fact he scares them more than any Democratic
candidate. Life in America was pretty good under Clinton
so how do you guys like it now?

so the republicans are not running against hillary but are running against bill clinton! the guy who gave us nafta , and opened the way for cafta and every damned trade deal where weve been takeing it up the hump on, he allso got the news corporations deregulated where just a few repigs were able to own all the news ,you know ,the assholes from cnn msnbc msm all the fachist bastards who lie every day to the american public ! whos good enough friends with the bushes to go golfing with poppy bush and gets invited on picknics with bush and his darling sweet , wife babs , yeah bills the man ! i can still hear that giant sucking sound ross perot talked about ,you know the one where he said if clinton got nafta passed that our jobs will be sent to china , jesus wise up , we were had by the horn dog!!!!!!!!!

kaT @ 114:

"take advantage of an old man" Doesn't sound like senatorial (or prospective presidential) language to me. Admit it, Barack, you just can't keep up with the BIG DOG!

I suspect the BO people want Bill Clinton banned from the campaign not because his behavior is "unpresidential" but because he's incredibly presidential and in comparison Barack Obama looks like a whiney cry baby.

Unfortunately, BO is running AGAINST Hillary Clinton, while she is running FOR President.

Kat, nobody can tell anywhere in the world that it isn't Bill Clinton that Obama and Edwards are up against. Hell, the American public probably can't tell the difference. Bill campaigns more than his wife does. My understanding was that in the US you can only be President for two terms. That's it. Somebody please tell Bill. He seems to be on a roll thinking he'll be back in the Oral Office in no time.

tyree @ 113:

Mike @ 109:

Sure I would vote for Obama but Bill would clean
his clock in any debate. The Repugs are scared
of Bill. In fact he scares them more than any Democratic
candidate. Life in America was pretty good under Clinton
so how do you guys like it now?

so the republicans are not running against hillary but are running against bill clinton! the guy who gave us nafta , and opened the way for cafta and every damned trade deal where weve been takeing it up the hump on, he allso got the news corporations deregulated where just a few repigs were able to own all the news ,you know ,the assholes from cnn msnbc msm all the fachist bastards who lie every day to the american public ! whos good enough friends with the bushes to go golfing with poppy bush and gets invited on picknics with bush and his darling sweet , wife babs , yeah bills the man ! i can still hear that giant sucking sound ross perot talked about ,you know the one where he said if clinton got nafta passed that our jobs will be sent to china , jesus wise up , we were had by the horn dog!!!!!!!!!

First of all, get your facts straight, Bozo. RONALD REAGAN de-regulated the corps and the media, not Clinton. Clinton turned all that around and then W removed all the constraints again. Bill Clinton was the first president to reign in the corporations since FDR, a president who is also roundly hated by Republicans.

This is why BO is trying to muzzle the Cintons. He has spread a bunch of BS about them and he doesn't want Bill out there setting the record straight.

That said, what is it with you BO people anyway? So what if all the past presidents in the country are out telling lies about your candidate? If they are lies they can be debunked, right? Every candidate in the race is facing accusations and criticism. The rest of them aren't whining to the public and the Party to "shut them up." That's the American political system. Why can't Barack Obama just succinctly tell us what the lies are and then tell the truth to the public? But he doesn't. He says he'll talk "off the record" not before the public, what's that all about?

And just for your filthy, whiney, juvenile information, Bill and Hillary Clinton were villified by all of the media and the opposition and even people in their own party and they stood up to it and held their own and did a great job leading this country. So, please spare us your angst that your stupid candidate was criticized.

Why is it that the BO people can't just watch the show and then choose a candidate? No, you have to be ranting and lecturing and dictating to every voter in the country and slandering every other candidate--just like Barack himself. It doesn't speak well of your camp. So why don't you go out and help BO file a formal complaint against the next state where he's going to lose. It'll give you something unuseful to do.

kaT @ 117:

tyree @ 113:

Mike @ 109:

Sure I would vote for Obama but Bill would clean
his clock in any debate. The Repugs are scared
of Bill. In fact he scares them more than any Democratic
candidate. Life in America was pretty good under Clinton
so how do you guys like it now?

so the republicans are not running against hillary but are running against bill clinton! the guy who gave us nafta , and opened the way for cafta and every damned trade deal where weve been takeing it up the hump on, he allso got the news corporations deregulated where just a few repigs were able to own all the news ,you know ,the assholes from cnn msnbc msm all the fachist bastards who lie every day to the american public ! whos good enough friends with the bushes to go golfing with poppy bush and gets invited on picknics with bush and his darling sweet , wife babs , yeah bills the man ! i can still hear that giant sucking sound ross perot talked about ,you know the one where he said if clinton got nafta passed that our jobs will be sent to china , jesus wise up , we were had by the horn dog!!!!!!!!!

First of all, get your facts straight, Bozo. RONALD REAGAN de-regulated the corps and the media, not Clinton. Clinton turned all that around and then W removed all the constraints again. Bill Clinton was the first president to reign in the corporations since FDR, a president who is also roundly hated by Republicans.

This is why BO is trying to muzzle the Cintons. He has spread a bunch of BS about them and he doesn't want Bill out there setting the record straight.

That said, what is it with you BO people anyway? So what if all the past presidents in the country are out telling lies about your candidate? If they are lies they can be debunked, right? Every candidate in the race is facing accusations and criticism. The rest of them aren't whining to the public and the Party to "shut them up." That's the American political system. Why can't Barack Obama just succinctly tell us what the lies are and then tell the truth to the public? But he doesn't. He says he'll talk "off the record" not before the public, what's that all about?

And just for your filthy, whiney, juvenile information, Bill and Hillary Clinton were villified by all of the media and the opposition and even people in their own party and they stood up to it and held their own and did a great job leading this country. So, please spare us your angst that your stupid candidate was criticized.

Why is it that the BO people can't just watch the show and then choose a candidate? No, you have to be ranting and lecturing and dictating to every voter in the country and slandering every other candidate--just like Barack himself. It doesn't speak well of your camp. So why don't you go out and help BO file a formal complaint against the next state where he's going to lose. It'll give you something unuseful to do.

deal with it every body whos seen bill clinton fuck over us arent bill orilley fans, get it? bill got nafta passed !did he not ? a repig program! so get your facts straight clinton got us into this trade mess and put us on the road to destroying the middle class , maby youd like to join him with poppy bush playing the back nine!!!!!!

ConcernedCanuck @ 115:

kaT @ 114:

"take advantage of an old man" Doesn't sound like senatorial (or prospective presidential) language to me. Admit it, Barack, you just can't keep up with the BIG DOG!

I suspect the BO people want Bill Clinton banned from the campaign not because his behavior is "unpresidential" but because he's incredibly presidential and in comparison Barack Obama looks like a whiney cry baby.

Unfortunately, BO is running AGAINST Hillary Clinton, while she is running FOR President.

Kat, nobody can tell anywhere in the world that it isn't Bill Clinton that Obama and Edwards are up against. Hell, the American public probably can't tell the difference. Bill campaigns more than his wife does. My understanding was that in the US you can only be President for two terms. That's it. Somebody please tell Bill. He seems to be on a roll thinking he'll be back in the Oral Office in no time.

So what? I still haven't heard one of you people come up with a logical, valid argument as to why Bill Clinton should not participate in this campaign to his heart's content, unless it's that you ARE AFRAID that Barack can't stand up to the competition. Bill Clinton is not doing anything illegal, or unethical, or unseemly. Barack Obama and Edwards (who, by the way, is NOT complaining about Bill Clinton's participation) knew going in the Hillary Clinton was running in this race and Bill Clinton would be campaigning for her.

If all the terrible things you accuse Bill Clinton of are true, then what's your worry? If he and Hillary are such terrible people, she won't be elected, right? Or did you think you're the only smart person in the world who has to DECIDE for all the rest of us who should be in the White House? Oh, I think I struck chord. I don't know about you, but I have a rather sound, thorough education in the social sciences and I can decide for myself. I suspect the rest of the electorate is at least as smart as you or anyone else in Barack's camp.

I believe that if BO were winning, we'd hear nothing from his campaign or his followers about Bill Clinton or any other detractor. Conclusion: GROW UP , ALREADY, OR LEAVE POLITICS ALONE.

kaT @ 122:

ConcernedCanuck @ 120:

kaT @ 117:

tyree @ 113:

First of all, get your facts straight, Bozo. RONALD REAGAN de-regulated the corps and the media, not Clinton. Clinton turned all that around and then W removed all the constraints again. Bill Clinton was the first president to reign in the corporations since FDR, a president who is also roundly hated by Republicans.

This is why BO is trying to muzzle the Cintons. He has spread a bunch of BS about them and he doesn't want Bill out there setting the record straight.

.

Bill doesn't set records straight. He lies. It's what he does. He's been caught lying repeatedly. He lost his license for lying. He had to make deals to hang onto his presidency for crying out loud. Face it, the man is a liar.

Again I say, so what if he's lying? Or if you believe he's lying? So what? You say he's the worst person in the world anyway, that lying is his stock and trade, that everybody knows that, so why are you worried that you think he's lying about Barack Obama? Again, lies can be easily dispelled by the truth, but we still don't hear that from the Boy Wonder.

And if you're from Canada, I don't see where any of this is really any of your business anyway.

thats right lieings bills bread and butter , and it runs in the familly , hillarys learned from the horn dog very well, and accuseing everyone who thinks clintons a numb nuts of being an orilley fans just bullshit and you use it plenty!

tyree @ 123:

kaT @ 122:

ConcernedCanuck @ 120:

kaT @ 117:

Bill doesn't set records straight. He lies. It's what he does. He's been caught lying repeatedly. He lost his license for lying. He had to make deals to hang onto his presidency for crying out loud. Face it, the man is a liar.

Again I say, so what if he's lying? Or if you believe he's lying? So what? You say he's the worst person in the world anyway, that lying is his stock and trade, that everybody knows that, so why are you worried that you think he's lying about Barack Obama? Again, lies can be easily dispelled by the truth, but we still don't hear that from the Boy Wonder.

And if you're from Canada, I don't see where any of this is really any of your business anyway.

thats right lieings bills bread and butter , and it runs in the familly , hillarys learned from the horn dog very well, and accuseing everyone who thinks clintons a numb nuts of being an orilley fans just bullshit and you use it plenty!

You have me confused with someone else on this thread. I did not say one word about Bill O'Reilly because I can't stand the man and don't pay any attention to him.

kaT @ 125:

tyree @ 123:

kaT @ 122:

ConcernedCanuck @ 120:

Again I say, so what if he's lying? Or if you believe he's lying? So what? You say he's the worst person in the world anyway, that lying is his stock and trade, that everybody knows that, so why are you worried that you think he's lying about Barack Obama? Again, lies can be easily dispelled by the truth, but we still don't hear that from the Boy Wonder.

And if you're from Canada, I don't see where any of this is really any of your business anyway.

thats right lieings bills bread and butter , and it runs in the familly , hillarys learned from the horn dog very well, and accuseing everyone who thinks clintons a numb nuts of being an orilley fans just bullshit and you use it plenty!

You have me confused with someone else on this thread. I did not say one word about Bill O'Reilly because I can't stand the man and don't pay any attention to him.

well then start useing obamas name instead of bo, wich is useualy the short for orilley, im an edwards or kucinich supporter and think obama and clinton are just more corporation moochers ,weve had enough of that kind of politician no more clintons or loosers like her and obama!

White men can't dance.

WTF have we come to where we have to play out these games of cultural difference and shared experience? What if Obama can't dance (judging by Ellen's show, I know he can, sort of)- would he get my vote?

But I can't dance, I can't talk.
The only thing about me is the way I walk.
I can't dance, I can't sing
I'm just standing here selling

And checking everything is in place
You never know who's looking on
A perfect body with a perfect face. - courtesy Genesis

Sorry to burst some of your bubbles.

I'm an independent that voted for Gore and Kerry and loved the Clinton administration. BUT.

You need to look at back ground of these candidates. Bush's grand father was Hitlers bank.

AND Bill Clinton was G H W Bush's cocaine boy in Arkansas.

Watch the video and learn the truth about our "mis-leaders"

The Clinton Cronicles.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6470450895164255089

Then Mena Connection.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8615500044492220653&q=mena+conne...

I know that some of you will dismiss the video and clames but some of you won't. it is all fact.

I could Bash Bush and Co. all day but we need to make sure the right person gets into office.
Thank you.

charles @ 89:

DK on the floor of the house yesterday.
“If impeachment is off the table,” Mr. Kucinich said, “truth is off the table. If truth is off the table then this body is living a lie.”

Thanks for this. We have to understand that whoever gets elected will not be a result of the discussions we are currently having. People need to organize to get others to write letters to congressmen, campaign, email media, and keep pushing for impeachment.

It's not right to let Cheney, or this entire administration walk away.

Hubris @ 75:

90 second youtube

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Em8uXfOIGQk

How embarrasingly stupid can our cable news media get? :(

http://www.theonion.com/content/video/poll_bullshit_is_most_important

“Obama released a statement this afternoon saying that he was far too busy to dance…”

But he does a mean FISA two-step.

The Political Junkie @ 128:

Looks like Clinton's trying to hang on to that "Honorary Negro" Card Toni Morrison gave him.

And she should apologize for giving it to him before consulting with the rest of us African-Americans to determine if he deserved it or not.

Eminem earned his card - when Justin Timberlake failed his test, we revoked his, courtesy of Jay-Z and Benny Medina.

Just Sayin'

It's better than Obama giving him a racist card in return.

Edwards/Obama or
Obama/Edwards?
Fuck Hillary and Bill Clinton right in the ear! (Sure, use a cigar)
We need a different family in the White House, hell I'd vote for Larry Flint and Gary Coleman if they were running. And the whole faith in Jebus thing makes me want to hurl. I don't want to hear anything about X-tianity and fairy tales and radiant sunshine smiles, I want to hear rather about how the executive will get something accomplished that doesn't include war, greed and wiretapping?

Wake me when it's over, the only reason I would support Hillarity would be to possibly avoid (because she might be able to beat Huckleberry; Hell, she might as well run on the McLame ticket) yet another "conservative" (stone aged, good'ole stale-wart, corporate interest, god-fearing, dingle-boy) asshat being nominated for the Supreme Court.

I may witness the end of an empire? What?

bilhelm-X @ 142:

Edwards/Obama or
Obama/Edwards?
Fuck Hillary and Bill Clinton right in the ear! (Sure, use a cigar)
We need a different family in the White House, hell I'd vote for Larry Flint and Gary Coleman if they were running. And the whole faith in Jebus thing makes me want to hurl. I don't want to hear anything about X-tianity and fairy tales and radiant sunshine smiles, I want to hear rather about how the executive will get something accomplished that doesn't include war, greed and wiretapping?

Wake me when it's over, the only reason I would support Hillarity would be to possibly avoid (because she might be able to beat Huckleberry; Hell, she might as well run on the McLame ticket) yet another "conservative" (stone aged, good'ole stale-wart, corporate interest, god-fearing, dingle-boy) asshat being nominated for the Supreme Court.

I may witness the end of an empire? What?

I'd rather have 2 competents in the white house, than a dividing, racist baiter any day.

Obama - D-Punjab, haha funny, huh obama...there's not that many indian-american voters, so it's a-ok.

Hillary calculating and ambitious, yet Obama publishes his memoirs at age 33 to head off accusations of drug use for his political campaigns?

Obama raising more money, from major contributors, and corporate donors? Obama's identical voting record to Hillary's?

NO OBAMA.

EDWARDS!

ConcernedCanuck @ 115:

kaT @ 114:

"take advantage of an old man" Doesn't sound like senatorial (or prospective presidential) language to me. Admit it, Barack, you just can't keep up with the BIG DOG!

I suspect the BO people want Bill Clinton banned from the campaign not because his behavior is "unpresidential" but because he's incredibly presidential and in comparison Barack Obama looks like a whiney cry baby.

Unfortunately, BO is running AGAINST Hillary Clinton, while she is running FOR President.

Kat, nobody can tell anywhere in the world that it isn't Bill Clinton that Obama and Edwards are up against. Hell, the American public probably can't tell the difference. Bill campaigns more than his wife does. My understanding was that in the US you can only be President for two terms. That's it. Somebody please tell Bill. He seems to be on a roll thinking he'll be back in the Oral Office in no time.

Brarack Obama's biggest mistake is taking on Bill Clinton oin a one-to-one level. Obama is giving Bill Clinton more power by addressing him directly - and he seems to forget that Bill is a cultural icon. Bill wanted that though, to take Obama's focus away from Hillary to disarm his "Hope/Change/Unity" postioning. And Obama fell bait and hook for it because Bill & Clinton camp KNEW that Obama's ego was far more delicate. Now his Hope/Change charade has fallen. Obama may think that the defensive strategy is working, but it isn't.

Everything was going fine UNTIL the moment that Obama's camp distored Hillary's comment about MLK and LBJ. Then when the Clinton camp decided to respond to that with the Reagan inference. Bill came out, Obama's people came out. The mistake was that Obama took it upon himself to respond to Bill personally, when it should have been handled through his surrogates.

Hillary did very well to stay out of SC for a few days, giving more leverage towards Edwards AGAINST OBAMA for the Dem convention. Notice how now suddenly Edwards is getting more attention, more airtime, more press? She had to move out of the way in order to give Edwards more of the spotlight. I smell a Clinton/Edwards ticket or vice versa.