edwards needs to pack it up.

Why is CNN even covering this on the Democratic side? It doesn't count, at all, and none of the actual Democrats in the race did any campaigning there.

Guiliani's efforts only brought him two things. Jack and shit, and jack just left town, with apologies to Bruce Campbell.

so i'm thinking hillary or mccain will be the next president...might as well be bush/cheney with those choices cuz nothing will change with those two...

if this is indeed an open thread, skippy has the latest on rumors that the writers strike is winding down.

if it's not an open thread, here's sweeney floyd, the dim-wit barber of mayberry.

I love that 10.000 people voted for Fred Thompson, who is no more in the race.

i'm in Florida and i tried to vote today. for some reason i was registered as nonpartisan. so i couldn't vote for the presidential candidate. this was the first time i've seen this ever. last time i had a problem was in 2000 when my registration was lost completely.
florida votes are totally screwed.

Shocking News From Florida: 'Early Voters' Are Actually ... from 2000 Election!

knock,knock, knock....is this thing on?.....hmmmm....looks like the repugnicans turned out to vote....if you believe what they say....me.....I have my doubts about anything I see on the TV concerning nooz.

I'm loving how Kucinich is picking up 1% of the vote even though he packed it in weeks ago. Its refreshing to see that there are those who aren't wasting their vote making the same old wheel turn round and round.

Rico @ 10:

Bit NOLA @ 4:

But you can bet your bottom dollar that Hillary will use her pull with the party to try to make the Fla. delegates count.

The Clinton goal is to win the nomination no matter what the cost, and then worry about picking up the pieces later.

Well, at this rate, if they continue their BS; they can consider this Democratic piece LOST FOR EVER!!

Thank you from Canada. McCain is bad but Mitt, Rudy and Mike are real bad. Any Dem will do please.
Up here we just don't want another GOP pres. We kinda worry about it.
You C&Ler's are making a diff. Keep at it.
Oh sorry but I can't help but say it. Mitt thinks his boys are warriors in an RV. What a blow to my American friends. We wept with you on that one.

Thanks Brendan for the very clever and original 'witch' comment above. Hay, Brendon, some of us *are* witches, and we really don't like your nasty Rove-like comment, OK? Makes me really want to check out Obama.

Here is an update on the the amount of the other Hil-haters ranting in the comments on the lefty blogs so far tonight:

*Only a couple here, counting Brendon (but the blog hasn't been working until a few minutes ago)
*Only a couple at Firedoglake.
* 85% Hil-Haters at Kos's election thread (pretty mild night for them).

I noticed that nobody was saying anything about that amazing Kennedy endorsement that swung the voters to Obama. Wonder why not? What with Hillary at 51% and Obama at 30%. Some posters at Kos were complaining that 'old people' and women were allowed to vote!

I was hoping Edwards would start pulling ahead, with people giving up on the nasty back and forth between the two, but no such luck in FL.

We're backup and running...

you know hillary is going to claim this as a huge win..

Justin @ 29:

you know hillary is going to claim this as a huge win..

Well, since it is only a win by a margin of less than 20% it must be a loss, right? 'Cause you have 'the real math'!

I'm waiting for someone to come along and tell us all that Barack Obama is finished - if they haven't done so already. (I haven't read the other comments as of yet.) When Barack won in Iowa, smug Obama fans were telling the 'Hillbots' that 'the witch is going down.' When Clinton made her comeback, her fans were equally smug. And so on and so forth, right up until the (admittedly very impressive) Obama victory in North Carolina.

While Hillary Clinton is my personal favourite, this has been a very tight and exciting race - especially if you resist the peer pressure that says you must vilify the candidate who is not your first choice. They're all capable and hardworking politicians who have their individual strengths - qualifications more than adequate for at least getting the nation pointed in the right direction. Anyone who says otherwise is just a drama queen, especially when they quote Drudge-esque talking-points about how Clinton is a corporate whore willing to sell the nation down the river, or how Obama is a corporate whore in secret who is willing to sell the nation down the river.

But I digress.

As a Canadian who, like many in the world, is indirectly affected by the decisions made in the U.S. - I urge the Democratic supporters to continue coming out in droves to support the party that should have been in power the last seven years.

Giuliani could still win this, don't count him out yet.

Mcbain was just projected the winner in Florida.

Whatever @ 34:

Travis @ 30:

Whatever @ 26:

Hillary cares for the poor.

I didn't know, prior to this, that my sides could split TWICE from laughter. Have you ever seen her voting record? Who contributes to her campaigns? Heard her talk?

Christ almighty.

And would you care to quote Obama's voting record? Let me help you out. PRESENT
See how easy that is.

Edwards is by far the most in tuned to the needs of the poorer voters but polls show Hillary is leading in that area well above them both. I am hoping that Hillary taps him for either VP or AG soon.

I can't even begin to fathom how a conservative war mongering pro business candidate is the second best choice after a real progressive like Edwards. Obama is an actual centrist, which isn't at all my cup of tea, but he's way left of Hillary and way more likely to embrace Edwards, Dean and other people that the DLC has declared enemies of the state. But if you'd like 4 more years of endless war, keep waving that Clinton 08 sign around.

Kezaro @ 35:

Giuliani could still win this, don't count him out yet.

Does he have stock in Diebold?

They are saying he will endorse McCain tonight and there is speculation that Huckabee and McCain have some deal on the side. I would hate President McCain but after getting so screwed over in 2000 it would be nice for the old guy to fight back this time.

Kezaro @ 35:

Giuliani could still win this, don't count him out yet.

It depends on who counts the votes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHL_YMBolRs

Obama!!!!!!!!! Noooooooooooooo!!!!!!

John Mccain is a liar . period. THIS MAN WILL LOSE TO HILLARY. Why else would the liberal papers support him .duh you dumb old idiot republicans in florida. I voted for Romney.

Jared @ 44:

Zenrage @ 19:

I'm loving how Kucinich is picking up 1% of the vote even though he packed it in weeks ago. Its refreshing to see that there are those who aren't wasting their vote making the same old wheel turn round and round.

I voted Kucinich today. I knew he dropped out. I didn't care. I didn't want to waste my vote on anyone else. Especially "the top tier". They are Republipukes in my eyes. If anything I see voting Kucinich as a symbol that REAL change is needed.

Feel better now? because thats all that vote was worth. I hope when it comes time for the real vote, everybody keeps their eye on the big picture.

Rudy: ".............Please less lawsuits!!!!!!!!!!" Stop fucking us over.

Obama/Dodd '08
Robert for Atty General

Travis @ 39:

Whatever @ 34:

Travis @ 30:

Whatever @ 26:

I didn't know, prior to this, that my sides could split TWICE from laughter. Have you ever seen her voting record? Who contributes to her campaigns? Heard her talk?

Christ almighty.

And would you care to quote Obama's voting record? Let me help you out. PRESENT
See how easy that is.

Edwards is by far the most in tuned to the needs of the poorer voters but polls show Hillary is leading in that area well above them both. I am hoping that Hillary taps him for either VP or AG soon.

I can't even begin to fathom how a conservative war mongering pro business candidate is the second best choice after a real progressive like Edwards. Obama is an actual centrist, which isn't at all my cup of tea, but he's way left of Hillary and way more likely to embrace Edwards, Dean and other people that the DLC has declared enemies of the state. But if you'd like 4 more years of endless war, keep waving that Clinton 08 sign around.

I am currently undecided. I keep hearing how Obama is way left of Hillary. Can someone point me to a site that lists this data? I would be interested in any of the following:

-his pre state senator years
-state senator
-current

(given the heightened negative reactions to many posts by pro-Obama and pro-Clinton camps, please take this as the serious "here is an undecided prepared to be swayed by Facts")

Clinton vs. McCain in the general election. Get ready for another disastrous Republican presidency and another right wing Supreme Court nominee. The only way Clinton can possibly win the race is if she's smart enough to choose Wes Clark as a running mate or if McCain is deranged enough to pick Lieberman.

Damn. I really do know how to spell Guiliani, but you'd never know it by my last post. Yeesh.

Is there any way to do a word cloud on punditry banter? Is it transcripted on the network websites? In the span of 15 minutes, regarding the Republicans, I heard, "fear", "anger", "devastating", "loss", "war".

sciguy @ 59:

Damn. I really do know how to spell Guiliani, but you'd never know it by my last post. Yeesh.

Did you mean 'giuliani'?

I support--the people who say we're headed for another republican president.
It's what TPTB want; you don't mean shit to them.

Yeah, one thing does catch my eye:

180000 more Republicans then Democrats showed up to vote.

That is not a good sign.

it's 9ui11iani

Symes @ 67:

Yeah, one thing does catch my eye:

180000 more Republicans then Democrats showed up to vote.

That is not a good sign.

that's Floriduh............don't forget..they like Jeb.

Sany @ 60:

It's going to be McCain vs Clinton in 08, and McCain will will. There is no two ways about it. All because the Democratic Party has to be the dummest party ever created. They use no strategy, no planning, just put out whatever candidate wants to run. Just don't say I told you so when you are all crying in November when Clinton gets her ass handed to her. Edwards would have delivered a win for the Democrats, but all you idiots decided to put Barach and Hillary up there, against McCain, when polling has been shown you that Edwards is the one that would win over McCain. Just don't wine and cry in November and say the Republicans cheated, cause this time you did it to yourselves.

First off Edwards couldn't even get people in his own state or party to vote for him. How in the hell do you think he could win a general election? Mcbain and rummey have both endorsed bushes war a 100%. If the general public would vote either one of them into the whitehouse, it wouldn't matter who the dems ran.

there may have been more, but since it wasn't abinding vote, alot of dems stayed home..

would you bother to show if it was for nothing? not me i got things to do!

Obama had no chance in Florida anyway (and I say this as a supporter of his) - too many old retired people. As far as he is concerned, it's good that the delegates from FL don't count.

mccain/guilliani wins 08? hahahahaha

the dems could beat mccain with kucinich!

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22892294/ with all this election stuff going on,did anyone notice that 5 US soldiers were killed yesterday....and another attack on them again today..

Who thinks the "stability" in Iraq is gonna lose ground around summer?

Arrow @ 86:

Commie @ 81:

mccain/guilliani wins 08? hahahahaha

In America, anything can happen...

I belive that, but Id believe W will get a nobel peace prize first.

mudshark @ 88:

Commie @ 76:

mudshark @ 71:

Symes @ 67: that's Floriduh............don't forget..they like Jeb.

yea, and the dems vote doesnt count.

there............they count them...just not all of them

I believe voter fraud happens, but in this particular case, no delegates are awarded for the dems.

AS a resident of Florida and a witness to toady's record breaking primary vote. I am very disappointed in those that are so flippant about our vote. What happened to one voice one vote? The Democrats in Florida went out today in huge numbers to make sure that the rest of the country heard our voices. The DNC does not want to count our votes but we still count. I voted for Hillary and am proud that she came here to thank us for our votes.
Where was Obama, the pact that he signed never stopped him from campaigning here as I witnessed several of his commercials on my television yet never saw one for Hillary. Grow up Hill Haters, if your candidate does not win you will just go home and take your vote with you. This country desreves better.
We should be fighting together to make sure that a Democrat gets into the White House and keep another repug out instead of fighting with each other.

diamondmc @ 90:

If Mcbain is the repugs choice, the dems could run daffy duck and win. Of course we lefty's could be reading the country mood wrong, and the majority of voting public love this war and shrinking freedoms. No matter who the dems run, if they can't win this one the party is dead.

Lets see... The repubs cant decide which canidate they hate least, while dems cant figure who the love most. All the issues are Dem issues.
the only Repub issue (iraq) is a miserable failure. W's approval is in the shitter...

BCPipes @ 92:

Democratic turnout will be so overwhelming I can't see any of the Pigmies winning the general.

Everyone I talk to says, "Well, I support Edwarbamaton, but I will throw everything I have behind the nominee!" Only people I run into who "can't stand Clinton" are Republican dead-enders, who look like they just came in from beating their wives. They are the 25% who need a daddy. Who needs 'em?!? I know I am being anecdotal, but we all have our drift.

Just look at tonight's Florida Results. Even with resolutions on the ballot, turnout to vote for the Democratic nominees is astonishing for a "useless" vote! Even if it is Clinton, she'll iron McCain's shirt........ with him in it! What with his campaign platform of fewer jobs and more wars. (An unfortunate fact of American life for McCain's "straight talk": People don't hear what they don't want to hear.) I have heard it said that one of the reasons MCCain didn't make the SOTU speech because he was slated to sit next to Bob Dole. That speaks volumes, don't it?

The Primary game is always played this way. Most walk away with their toes crushed.
Some of us need to stop Eyore-ing around, fer gosh sakes!

Hey!! Well said!! You from Houston by chance?

latinck @ 93:

AS a resident of Florida and a witness to toady's record breaking primary vote. I am very disappointed in those that are so flippant about our vote. What happened to one voice one vote? The Democrats in Florida went out today in huge numbers to make sure that the rest of the country heard our voices. The DNC does not want to count our votes but we still count. I voted for Hillary and am proud that she came here to thank us for our votes.
Where was Obama, the pact that he signed never stopped him from campaigning here as I witnessed several of his commercials on my television yet never saw one for Hillary. Grow up Hill Haters, if your candidate does not win you will just go home and take your vote with you. This country desreves better.
We should be fighting together to make sure that a Democrat gets into the White House and keep another repug out instead of fighting with each other.

I agree that we on the left must not splinter into small special intrest groups, fighting with each other. This is what we on the left have done for years. The repugs will unite when the time comes. The question will be, can the left hold together this time.

diamondmc @ 99:

latinck @ 93:

AS a resident of Florida and a witness to toady's record breaking primary vote. I am very disappointed in those that are so flippant about our vote. What happened to one voice one vote? The Democrats in Florida went out today in huge numbers to make sure that the rest of the country heard our voices. The DNC does not want to count our votes but we still count. I voted for Hillary and am proud that she came here to thank us for our votes.
Where was Obama, the pact that he signed never stopped him from campaigning here as I witnessed several of his commercials on my television yet never saw one for Hillary. Grow up Hill Haters, if your candidate does not win you will just go home and take your vote with you. This country desreves better.
We should be fighting together to make sure that a Democrat gets into the White House and keep another repug out instead of fighting with each other.

I agree that we on the left must not splinter into small special intrest groups, fighting with each other. This is what we on the left have done for years. The repugs will unite when the time comes. The question will be, can the left hold together this time.

WORD!!!

Hillary supporters will surely trumpet hew victory in Florida, but what you won't hear is that, when Florida Dems began voting WEEKS ago, Clinton was pulling about 25% higher votes than Obama, but with those who voted in the past three days, Obama was edging her out.

It means that a HUGE shift has happened away from Clinton toward Obama over the past week, with Obama now being more popular. The data suggest that, had all of the votes been cast today instead of over the past few weeks in early voting, then Obama would have won.

The Clinton camp will be whistling past that particular graveyard, because the implications for Feb 5th voters are damaging to any narrative that she gained any momentum out of winning the Florida primary.

Miles Tougeaux @ 62:

willaim @ 47:

John Mccain is a liar . period. THIS MAN WILL LOSE TO HILLARY. Why else would the liberal papers support him .duh you dumb old idiot republicans in florida. I voted for Romney.

You gotta love a enraged Republican that misspells his own name.

That's how southern Republican pronounce it so that's how he spells it.

commie @ 97: "Hey!! Well said!! You from Houston by chance?"

Thank you. No, not from Houston.

Aaron @ 104:

Clinton holds a big victory rally in Florida for an election that's meaningless. Compare this to the actual election in South Carolina where she briefly mentioned it from another state. Pretty classy, huh?

No, if she wins the election I can no longer envision myself voting for my party.

As opposed to Obama when he lost Nevada, he got on a plane, didn't even address a concession statement "to spend time with the family?"

GET A GRIP.

If you really want to be Eyore about it all: Let's hope W doesn't call in a false flag and declare martial law!.....the only small worry I have in the back of my mind.

latinck @ 110:

Aaron @ 104:

Clinton holds a big victory rally in Florida for an election that's meaningless. Compare this to the actual election in South Carolina where she briefly mentioned it from another state. Pretty classy, huh?

No, if she wins the election I can no longer envision myself voting for my party.

Like I said, Hill fans are willing to vote for Obama if he wins the nominaation but Obama fans just won't bother to vote if Hill wins. No wonder we are in the mess we are in.

EXACTLY. Obama = Nader 2008

SM @ 100:

AS a floridian.... I voted early this AM for Hillary Clinton.

FLORIDA is the test market for the rest of the country.

Face it, by the end of the night, Hillary will have 1,000,000 votes - count on it!

She pulled in 60% of the Latino vote, 30% of the African-American vote and 60% of the Caucasian vote.

SHE CAN BEAT THE REPUBLICANS and she kicked Obama's behind, despite Ted Kennedy.

Almost 1.000.000 votes in a "RED STATE!"

Screw the delegates, Florida came out and the people want Hillary. If the Democratic party are so wound up and pissed off, they need to look at this record turn out. These numbers are national election numbers. It cannot be overlooked.

Who are you, the regional rep for Diebold? Right now she is at 773,000 with 82% reporting. Looks like you will be a little short of your "sure million" there, pal. And now she is trying this scummy tactic to get the FL and MI delegates seated anyway. Guess if you can't win legitimately, change the rules halfway in the game. Fortunately, Obama and Edwards won't be in the political pig pen with Hillary.

HIllary's attempts to seat florida's delegates and her trumpeting of her victory are a joke. Come on Hillary- get it together! You can do better than these lame manipulations!

Hillary Clinton was just interviewed by Chris Wallace on H&C. He asked about the non-handshake with Obama at the State of the Union last night. She stuck in a knife:

"Well, I reached out my hand in friendship and unity. My hand is still
reaching out and I look forward to shaking his hand at the debate later
this week."

You negative people bore and tire me, good night to all. I have better things to do such as plan my move to Canada and away from you all. Good riddance.

bmw 528 @ 115:

SM @ 100:

AS a floridian.... I voted early this AM for Hillary Clinton.

FLORIDA is the test market for the rest of the country.

Face it, by the end of the night, Hillary will have 1,000,000 votes - count on it!

She pulled in 60% of the Latino vote, 30% of the African-American vote and 60% of the Caucasian vote.

SHE CAN BEAT THE REPUBLICANS and she kicked Obama's behind, despite Ted Kennedy.

Almost 1.000.000 votes in a "RED STATE!"

Screw the delegates, Florida came out and the people want Hillary. If the Democratic party are so wound up and pissed off, they need to look at this record turn out. These numbers are national election numbers. It cannot be overlooked.

Who are you, the regional rep for Diebold? Right now she is at 773,000 with 82% reporting. Looks like you will be a little short of your "sure million" there, pal. And now she is trying this scummy tactic to get the FL and MI delegates seated anyway. Guess if you can't win legitimately, change the rules halfway in the game. Fortunately, Obama and Edwards won't be in the political pig pen with Hillary.

Being a sore loser doesn't do the party well. When Obama won SC, I came on the board and congratulated his supporters.

If you do the math, there's about 20% left to count, she has 780K votes, it'll be near the 1,000,000 mark by 100% votes counted.

Geo @ 103:

Hillary supporters will surely trumpet hew victory in Florida, but what you won't hear is that, when Florida Dems began voting WEEKS ago, Clinton was pulling about 25% higher votes than Obama, but with those who voted in the past three days, Obama was edging her out.

It means that a HUGE shift has happened away from Clinton toward Obama over the past week, with Obama now being more popular. The data suggest that, had all of the votes been cast today instead of over the past few weeks in early voting, then Obama would have won.

The Clinton camp will be whistling past that particular graveyard, because the implications for Feb 5th voters are damaging to any narrative that she gained any momentum out of winning the Florida primary.

D'you have a link or something? Every poll I've seen lately had Hillary at least ten or fifteen points ahead. This win was in no way surprising.

Which Billary won? The anti-Barack, or the cute&cuddly lost some major endorsements one.

And again, almost half went against her.

we sat here and were horrified about the tactics Rove used and now Clinton is using them and you are ok with it? Hypocrites!

Yep.

You think it was her
"will you help me?"
"will you help me?" speech?

Seriously listen to this..
href="http://blogs.chicagotribune.com/news_columnists_ezorn/files/will_you_help_me.mp3"

James Kain @ 130:

My thoughts agree with Frank Rich's:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/27/opinion/27rich.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

if Hillary gets this nomination say hello to Fuhrer McCain. Was surprised with the part about the Saudi's. Who knew?

I think Nader could beat the R's in nov. Hillary will make Mccain miss the torture camps by the end of Nov.

SM @ 123:

bmw 528 @ 115:

SM @ 100:

AS a floridian.... I voted early this AM for Hillary Clinton.

FLORIDA is the test market for the rest of the country.

Face it, by the end of the night, Hillary will have 1,000,000 votes - count on it!

She pulled in 60% of the Latino vote, 30% of the African-American vote and 60% of the Caucasian vote.

SHE CAN BEAT THE REPUBLICANS and she kicked Obama's behind, despite Ted Kennedy.

Almost 1.000.000 votes in a "RED STATE!"

Screw the delegates, Florida came out and the people want Hillary. If the Democratic party are so wound up and pissed off, they need to look at this record turn out. These numbers are national election numbers. It cannot be overlooked.

Who are you, the regional rep for Diebold? Right now she is at 773,000 with 82% reporting. Looks like you will be a little short of your "sure million" there, pal. And now she is trying this scummy tactic to get the FL and MI delegates seated anyway. Guess if you can't win legitimately, change the rules halfway in the game. Fortunately, Obama and Edwards won't be in the political pig pen with Hillary.

Being a sore loser doesn't do the party well. When Obama won SC, I came on the board and congratulated his supporters.

If you do the math, there's about 20% left to count, she has 780K votes, it'll be near the 1,000,000 mark by 100% votes counted.

First, the "loser" reference is premature as Hillary is not the nominee yet. And youre vote projection sounds like voodoo vote counting to me, but believe anything you want. As for Hillary, read this article:

www. paulloeb.org/articles/hillarysleaze.html

Mark Penn, her chief campaign strategist helped prep Erik Prince of Blackwater in his testimony to Congress. If she wins, I'll vote for her but I have no time for their Roveian tactics.

Let's try that link again:

www.paulloeb.org/articles/hillarysleaze.html

Obama should and will win the nomination.

All the obama supporters can say is Hillary is crooked she is scum...again I say they sure show the low class bunch of people that support him. And no one not one darn obama supporter can give a full and complete list of all the so called crooked stuff Hillary is supposed to have done.

At least she not such a dumb ass as to say she made a mistake on over 1/3 of the votes in the state senate and pushed the wrong button. Once or twice maybe -- but good googgy mooggy over 1/3 of the time. He sure is a slow learner a very very slow learner.

Giles J. Harding @ 139:

Obama should and will win the nomination.

Is this for real...I guess obama supporters ALL still live in fantasty land.

Marge @ 141:

All the obama supporters can say is Hillary is crooked she is scum...again I say they sure show the low class bunch of people that support him. And no one not one darn obama supporter can give a full and complete list of all the so called crooked stuff Hillary is supposed to have done.

At least she not such a dumb ass as to say she made a mistake on over 1/3 of the votes in the state senate and pushed the wrong button. Once or twice maybe -- but good googgy mooggy over 1/3 of the time. He sure is a slow learner a very very slow learner.

Need some reading material? Go back to 137 instead of being a ready, fire, aim poster.

Marge: I'm an Obama supporter and I don't believe Hillary is crooked or scum. What I believe is that she will continue the politics of 51% and the country needs to move past that. I want Americans of every race, gender, age and political party to believe their Country is capable of Great Things again. Barack Obama has the potential to make that happen. If Hillary does, I don't see it. If she shows it to me, I'll support her in the general election were she to be the Nominee. If she doesn't, then I will gladly vote for everything but the President in November and I hope we have four more years of 51%. Then, and maybe only then, will the people of this once-fine Country stand up and demand more.

Please don't paint all Obama supporters as Hillary haters. It's inappropriate and it's wrong.

Sany @ 144:

Commie @72- The Dems have already split, haven't you been watching CNN, MSNBC, and reading the progressive blogs ie Firedog Lake, Daily Kos, Talk left. Everyone is so partison there is no way you can put the jeanie back in the bottle. The Hillary People have drawn their line in the sand and say, if Hillary doesn't get the nomination, then we won't vote for Barach Obama, The Obama people say, it he doesn't get the nomination, they'll sit out the election, and the Edwards people are just plain pissed that everyone is being duped by the MSM and falling for this charade that they don't even care anymore. They can't believe Democrats are this naive!! The Fix is in and It's already too late for us to do anything about it to win in 08. People are voting based on their emotions and not their brain and that is a bad indicator of things to come. OH well the Dems screw it up again.

You got the wrong attitude. Its ok to sit at home and cry by yourself, but when you go trying to convince everyone to give up you need to be given a reason to cry! I dont care what it takes or who i vote for, AS LONG AS THEY ARE [D]!! YOU ARE A TRAITOR IF YOU DONT VOTE [D] IN NOV!!!!!